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shooter757
03-12-2008, 21:26
I have a Glock19 that I would like to equip with a light and lazer. Do you recommend the Glock Lazer/Light combos? This is primarily for night, so if I were to hear someone in the house I could have both a light and lazer.
Also, do you recommend night sights?
Just remember lights and lasers give away YOUR position as well...
Quarterbore
03-12-2008, 21:39
My primary HD gun is a Glock 21 with MEP Orange/Green night sights, Lasermax laser and an Surefire x300 weapon light. I keep with the Glock a Surefire Z2.
I put this together after my Brother went through a home invasion and I swore I would never be as unprepared again. There home invasion occured at about 2AM and frankly there was nothing they really could have done with there preparations but I will advise that GOOD locks, locking all your windows even on a hot night, a security system with internal motion detectors activated, a cell phone in your bedroom that WILL work if your phone lines are cut, and having a gun that is instantly ready are all key components to help you prepare. One alone is not enough!
As for the gun, night sights are important and 2-colors allow you to make out the dots to determine which of the three is the front sight. If all three are the same color, in the dark it can be really tough to tell if you are aiming the gun corectly. I like the lasermax and I have these in several of my Glocks and I have used them for years. The laser is not a primary aiming system BUT if you were in a firefight you could use the laser to help point at a target without the need to have your head behind that red dot your attacker might just shoot at!
As for the weapon light, the Surefire x300 is extremely bright, the LED is good on bateries, and the unit with the LED is robust so there is almost no chance of it failing. Now, I do keep a handheld Surefire as well as you do not want to be pointing your gun at family if you need to direct them to a safe location plus if defending a location (while calling 911 on your cell to get reinforcements) you can sit the handheld where it can illuminate an access point and you can cover it with your weapon from a tactical advantage.
Lastly, have at least one reload ready and idealy a rifle (AR-15) or shotgun (12-gauge with buckshot) and switch to that system if you are capable without putting yourself at risk.
Train to fight and if you need to fight, fight to win!
I keep a G21 with Meprolight sights, LaserMax, and SureFire X200 weapon light.
Judy has a similarly equipped G19.
Proper use of weapon lights and lasers requires training and practice. At the very least, plan how you'll use these options to your weapon platform. As was mentioned, they can act as reverse beacons, if used improperly!
A powerful light, like the SureFire X200B or X300, can flash-light an entire room by skipping the beam off the ceiling. This is a good technique to quick-see if the room's occupied.
The laser can allow you to hold target on an intruder, as you dial 911.
For night sights, I recommend Meprolight, Trijicon and AmeriGlo. All green works for me, but I like two color approach as well.
In any case, buy quality.
--Ray
sphillips45
03-12-2008, 22:51
I recommend Meprolight NS , Streamlight TLR-1 & A Handheld Light
I recommend Meprolight NS , Streamlight TLR-1 & A Handheld Light
That's how I roll....I mean, sleep.
I have this this set up on a G-17 and Mossy 500. Handheld on the night stand.
Got to love that TLR-1.
MrMurphy
03-13-2008, 02:40
If your grip on the gun and general gunhandling is correct, the front sight will always be in the right place. If you can't tell your gun is cranked over to the left too far, etc, you need more range time.
My home gun is my G30 with XS Big Dot Express sights, tritium front only (No confusion there) and a Surefire E2E. I also have a 6P and a G3 now but as a civvy that's what I used. No need for a laser in home defense except on a snub .38 maybe.
I have a IR laser equipped M4 at work and unless I'm using NVGs I don't find much use for lasers except, as noted, in a .38 snub.
MRFriedhoff
03-13-2008, 10:02
I have a Glock19 that I would like to equip with a light and lazer. Do you recommend the Glock Lazer/Light combos? This is primarily for night, so if I were to hear someone in the house I could have both a light and lazer.
Also, do you recommend night sights?
I went with the M6X for my 19 but I always keep my Surefire 6P Defender beside it... IMO, always have a handheld as well...
Fear Night
03-13-2008, 14:10
I use the TLR-2 Light/Laser combo on mine. It's a much better value rather than getting both individually (unless you go handheld).
Fear Night
03-13-2008, 14:15
Just remember lights and lasers give away YOUR position as well...
But you also don't want to start shooting at black silhouettes at night. What if it was a family member walking through the house?
Tactical instructors recommend using the flashlight sparingly, but it's absolutely required for target identification. The best idea would be just to turn the lights on, assuming you aren't giving away any of your own target indicators.
shooter757
03-13-2008, 17:26
Which one is better, between the Glock lazer/light combo and TLR-2 Light/Laser combo?
MRFriedhoff
03-13-2008, 17:49
The TLR is LED and the Glock is incandescent as is the Insight - the led's will provide a "flooding effect" vs. 1 bright spot. I spent alot of time on this awhile ago and actually tried both the M6X(because it boasted 125 lumens over the Glock's 80) and the TLR2 at the same time. IMO the Insight was the way to go hands down, it was so bright that it lit up everything, not just the center spot.... The TLR2 is a great combo as well, I just didn't like the brightness - it wasn't nearly as bright and cast alot of shadows that the Insight didn't(did a few midnight house patrols) that and it didn't match the Glock style as well and I wasn't a fan of the screw tightener... This is just what I found worked for me after a few months of research/obsessing... ;)
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/mfriedhoff/PIC-0075.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/mfriedhoff/PIC-0078-1.jpg
windplex
03-13-2008, 17:54
Just remember lights and lasers give away YOUR position as well...
Police are often trained not to change the ambient conditions no matter what they are:
If lights on leave them on
If radio blaring leave it on
If lights off leave off
Etc.
From articles I have read.
I do keep a light on my weapons. I figure instant on is useful. Constant on is more of a target and does telegraph that you are coming into the area.
So how you use it makes a difference.
I have used (light use) glock streamlight and another brand and all worked without fault. The metal light (streamlight?) has an adaptor that allows you middle finger to turn on and off the light without reaching for the switch. Some SWAT operators use it and swear by it.
Quarterbore
03-13-2008, 18:41
Police also need to respond in an offensive way...
As I said in my post above, you should have a hand held and a weapon mounted light. Once your family is secured, turn the hand held on illuminating an area you can defend and stand back from the light while on the phone with 911.
Anyone enters the light, well warn them or kill them depending on the threat they are but you do need to make sure your mother-in-law isn't off her meds and decided that 2AM would be a good time to come for a visit!
Fear Night
03-13-2008, 18:53
The TLR is LED and the Glock is incandescent as is the Insight - the led's will provide a "flooding effect" vs. 1 bright spot. I spent alot of time on this awhile ago and actually tried both the M6X(because it boasted 125 lumens over the Glock's 80) and the TLR2 at the same time. IMO the Insight was the way to go hands down, it was so bright that it lit up everything, not just the center spot.... The TLR2 is a great combo as well, I just didn't like the brightness - it wasn't nearly as bright and cast alot of shadows that the Insight didn't(did a few midnight house patrols) that and it didn't match the Glock style as well and I wasn't a fan of the screw tightener... This is just what I found worked for me after a few months of research/obsessing... ;)
[IMG]http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/mfriedhoff/PIC-0075.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/mfriedhoff/PIC-0078-1.jpg[IMG]
Maybe, but the M6 was discontinued and replaced with the TLR-2.
http://www.opticsplanet.net/streamlight-m-6x-tactical-flashlights.html
MRFriedhoff
03-13-2008, 19:09
That site is mis-informed. These are two differant lights. Insight makes the M/M*X series and Streamlight makes the TLR series...
Check these sites for more accurate information:
http://www.insightlights.com/products-xseries-mounted.htm
http://www.streamlight.com/product-selector.aspx?page=1&filters=1739
Fear Night
03-13-2008, 19:13
That site is mis-informed. These are two differant lights. Insight makes the M/M*X series and Streamlight makes the TLR series...
Check these sights for more accurate information:
http://www.insightlights.com/products-xseries-mounted.htm
http://www.streamlight.com/product-selector.aspx?page=1&filters=1739
Ah, strange. Nevermind then.
My night stand piece is a Homeland Defender G23.It has the night sights and Glock light.
MattUNI2001
03-15-2008, 14:59
I love my Insight M6X. I tuned my laser to be accurate within 1-2 inches at 7 yards. Both the light and laser are very bright, and it has the option to have the light and/or laser on at ALL times, or you can just press a switch to turn the lights on and let go, which will turn it off if you don't want a steady light. The switch fits perfectly as to where you hold the grip and is not awkward at all when you want to switch it on and then let go, which turns it off. Also, it takes less than 2 seconds to attach or detach the light from the gun.
I'd rate it 9 out of 10 - but I've never seen anything to compare it to!! :) Why not 10 out of 10? I'd like to see the battery life extend more than an hour and a half, but that isn't that big of a deal...
hokieglock
03-15-2008, 15:25
my tlr-1 is much better than my 2 m3's but the convenience of being able to take off the m3 in seconds out weighs my preference to the tlr's beam.
eta: i don't like lasers, to me they're crutches that take away from a good sight picture.
shooter757
03-15-2008, 16:23
How difficult is it to tune the lasers for accuracy on the different models?
MattUNI2001
03-15-2008, 16:39
How difficult is it to tune the lasers for accuracy on the different models?
On the M6X - there is a mini screwdriver that is on the light at all times. You "unscrew" the screwdriver, and then use it to tune the laser's tuning hole, which is located on the very bottom of the light. You can do all of this without ever taking the laser/light off of the gun. I felt that tuning it was extremely easy.
windplex
03-15-2008, 17:52
The TLR is LED and the Glock is incandescent as is the Insight - the led's will provide a "flooding effect" vs. 1 bright spot. I spent alot of time on this awhile ago and actually tried both the M6X(because it boasted 125 lumens over the Glock's 80) and the TLR2 at the same time. IMO the Insight was the way to go hands down, it was so bright that it lit up everything, not just the center spot.... The TLR2 is a great combo as well, I just didn't like the brightness - it wasn't nearly as bright and cast alot of shadows that the Insight didn't(did a few midnight house patrols) that and it didn't match the Glock style as well and I wasn't a fan of the screw tightener... This is just what I found worked for me after a few months of research/obsessing... ;)
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/mfriedhoff/PIC-0075.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg56/mfriedhoff/PIC-0078-1.jpg
How do you tune the laser? How easy is it? Thank you!
smitty24
03-16-2008, 18:09
How do you tune the laser? How easy is it? Thank you!
read one post up - there is a explanation on how to do it...
windplex
03-16-2008, 19:02
read one post up - there is a explanation on how to do it...
Thanks! I did not know that was THE model. Is the screw driver that large nob at the rear side of the laser?
MattUNI2001
03-16-2008, 19:13
Thanks! I did not know that was THE model. Is the screw driver that large nob at the rear side of the laser?
It is the black knob to the top left of the actual light lens in the provided bottom picture a few posts back. It is very hard to see and almost blends in, but if you look hard enough, you'll see it.
The large knob you see from the top picture is what turns it from being laser only, flashlight only, or laser + flashlight.
windplex
03-16-2008, 19:16
It is the black knob to the top left of the actual light lens in the provided bottom picture a few posts back. It is very hard to see and almost blends in, but if you look hard enough, you'll see it.
The large knob you see from the top picture is what turns it from being laser only, flashlight only, or laser + flashlight.
I see it a little bitty knob. THank you!
Grape Ape
03-16-2008, 19:45
If you need a laser make sure it is an external one. Lasermax will break and has a great possibility of leaving small parts inside the action jamming your pistol up good. You don't want something that could break internally if you have to bean a bad guy with your pistol.
Quarterbore
03-16-2008, 19:56
If you need a laser make sure it is an external one. Lasermax will break and has a great possibility of leaving small parts inside the action jamming your pistol up good. You don't want something that could break internally if you have to bean a bad guy with your pistol.
And how many have you seen break? I have yet to see one and I have them in most of my Glocks. These are rugged units that work pretty much like a steel pin to keep the recoil spring in line.
Now, my HD and CCW gun don't get shot with the lasermax all the time as there is no advantage to leaving it in and putting the extra wear on the parts but still I have never seen what you are trying to claim happens.
Grape Ape
03-16-2008, 20:23
And how many have you seen break? I have yet to see one and I have them in most of my Glocks. These are rugged units that work pretty much like a steel pin to keep the recoil spring in line.
Now, my HD and CCW gun don't get shot with the lasermax all the time as there is no advantage to leaving it in and putting the extra wear on the parts but still I have never seen what you are trying to claim happens.
So you are not confident enough in the unit to leave it in to shoot a lot with b/c you don't trust it when the parts are worn?
Some testimony.
So you are not confident enough in the unit to leave it in to shoot a lot with b/c you don't trust it when the parts are worn?
Some testimony.
I'm sorry, but I knew you smelled of Troll! :shakehead:
The LaserMax does have some consumable components, which are easily replaced--the recoil spring, for example. Since the OEM guide rod pops right back in without tools, why would you put unnecessary wear on it? :dunno:
If you don't plan to practice with the laser, why dirty up the lens? You're just making more work... I don't usually leave my SureFire on the gun either. :headscratch:
Crimson Trace is a great company and a great product, that I'd consider for a 1911 or revolver, but for the Glock, it compromises too much, IMO. To wit:
. Impacts Ergonomics Of The Gun
. Alters Appearance Of The Gun
. Instant-On, Always-On
. Bad For Left-Handed Holsters
. Requires Tools To Remove
. Grip Issues
. No Model For G 20/21/36
I think this approach (see attached) is a better solution for an outboard laser on a Glock...
--Ray
shooter757
03-17-2008, 18:33
^what is the laser that is installed from under the barrel?
Grape Ape
03-17-2008, 18:43
I'm sorry, but I knew you smelled of Troll! :shakehead:
The LaserMax does have some consumable components, which are easily replaced--the recoil spring, for example. Since the OEM guide rod pops right back in without tools, why would you put unnecessary wear on it? :dunno:
If you don't plan to practice with the laser, why dirty up the lens? You're just making more work... I don't usually leave my SureFire on the gun either. :headscratch:
--Ray
Why shoot your pistol at all? I mean why put wear on the components and dirty up the barrel? You know those consumable components like the trigger spring and the recoil spring. Just hang up a target and look at where you want the bullets to go.
^what is the laser that is installed from under the barrel?
*****
One option is the Uni-Max, by LaserMax.
I like this because you get independent systems and can still accommodate a weapon light.
Redundancy is good because if a unit fails, the other still works.
The Strengths of the Uni-Max Include:
. Multi-Weapon Use!
. Close To Bore Axis!
. Steady Or Pulsed Beam!
. Available In Red, Green and IR!
. Accommodates Weapon Light!
The best price I've seen on Uni-Max is here:
http://www.lasersales.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Uni-Max&osCsid=4632c915b9ecdf6b1307a5442b21a61d
--Ray
Why shoot your pistol at all? I mean why put wear on the components and dirty up the barrel? You know those consumable components like the trigger spring and the recoil spring. Just hang up a target and look at where you want the bullets to go.
*****
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--Ray
Grape Ape
03-17-2008, 19:57
*****
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--Ray
That is the equivlent of puttin gyour hands over your ears and holding your breath.
That is the equivlent of puttin gyour hands over your ears and holding your breath.
No; you're a troll alright! :tongueout:
I discern who argues for a purpose, and who simply argues. For the latter, I can always call my ex... :upeyes:
You know, she's still pretty hot! You'd probably like her! :supergrin:
--Ray
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