GUY SHOOTS HIM SELF WITH GLOCK 18 video. [Archive]

GLOCK_27

03-13-2008, 23:46

I'd say at least one safety rule was broken. It looked like he was using some kind of grip in the front. I don't know that I would want my left hand that close to the muzzle.

i paused right after he shot his self and there does not look to be any kind of grip up there. also from what he said, sound like the gun was in full auto mode the whole time he was shooting but was messing up and when it started to shoot and the full auto surprised him. probably one of those fssg things and the owner of that gun is probably gonna be screwed

SKYWLKR

03-13-2008, 23:47

the hand grip popped off and is laying o the ground.

I doubt he got shot prolly just cut

ab4ka

03-13-2008, 23:50

If he did get shot, he's more of a man than I am...I'd have been screaming like a girl:crying:

GLOCK_27

03-13-2008, 23:51

the hand grip popped off and is laying o the ground.

I doubt he got shot prolly just cut

ok i ee it now. also if you pause when he sweeps his hand by the camera. that looks like a nice round hole in his hand

GLOCK_27

03-13-2008, 23:53

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj69/glock_26/glock18-1.jpg

NYC Drew

03-14-2008, 00:02

looks like he got shot to me...

JMS

03-14-2008, 00:07

Good enough reason to want to stick to a semi-auto when it comes to a handgun :50cal:

Quiet

03-14-2008, 00:42

Someone should link the video in every post someone puts up about wanting a Glock 18. :whistling:

V-Strom

03-14-2008, 00:56

Ouch!

Did anyone else watch the G18 - 298 'nearly' continuous round video next to it?
Impressive. :whistling:

GLOCK_27

03-14-2008, 01:07

Ouch!

Did anyone else watch the G18 - 298 'nearly' continuous round video next to it?
Impressive. :whistling:

yes. and just incase you were thinking about posting it, dont, its been on here at lease 400 times :) welcome to glock talk

V-Strom

03-14-2008, 01:21

yes. and just incase you were thinking about posting it, dont, its been on here at lease 400 times :) welcome to glock talk

LOL
Been around long enough to know better. :cool:
Just been a long time since I've been on the board.
Did a USPSA shoot on a lark a week ago and my interest is firmly rekindled.

Grocked

03-14-2008, 01:22

Actually looks like a Glock 17. :whistling: If you notice in the beginning, there's a guy who adjusts something on the back of the pistol. Probably a modded backplate switch. 18's have a switch/dial on the left side behind the slide lock.

postmanpwc

03-14-2008, 01:35

GLOCK_27

03-14-2008, 01:57

Yeah I heard him drop something and saw some kind of aftermarket hand grip laying under his stall. Either the hand grip does not work or the owner did not install it securely. Either way someone could get sued for medical expenses.

yup, but unless the owner of that has a class III permit, a little medical bill will be the least of his worries

SoundFX

03-14-2008, 02:03

A little Darwinism goes a long way in the context of gun ownership.

I hope for their freedom's sake that the gun is a legally possessed authentic G18. If not..... buh bye. Don't drop the soap!

BlindBoyJoe

03-14-2008, 02:07

All I can say is.........WTF!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?

-gunut-

03-14-2008, 02:38

OUCH!!!

Wonder how he acts after the shock wears off :supergrin:

Not to self: do not use a forward pistol grip with a Glock 18!

GLOCK_27

03-14-2008, 02:40

i got the phone number of the range online. im gonna give them a call tomorrow to see what they say about this :)

Stanze

03-14-2008, 02:55

Legalities aside, putting a vertical forward grip on a GLOCK rail and using it during full-auto fire just seems like a bad idea.

The Beretta M93R has an elongated trigger guard so you can lock your thumb through it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X5NQGUcCeg

Bruce3

03-14-2008, 03:15

Flared_Nostrils

03-14-2008, 03:40

Yeah, looks like he dropped his grip as the second, unexpected shot went off...
I heard that a guy shot himself under the chin at a local range here in WA the same way.
(Kickback and a surprise trigger pull resulted in his own death)
The video starts with someone saying "hold it tight"...
Obviously he didn't hold it tight enough.
Have to admit that it seems the kind of thing that can happen to most all of us though.
Glad that it seems to be just a good story for the guy to tell.
He's very lucky that it wasn't worse...
Good post, a reminder to everyone to be careful, these things don't shoot water.

Clyde in CO

03-14-2008, 03:56

I have a bad feeling that if I make fun of him I'll end up shooting myself sometime soon, so I'll say what an unfortunate accident and I hope he recovers quickly.

Northalius

03-14-2008, 05:55

If he did get shot, he's more of a man than I am...I'd have been screaming like a girl:crying:

He didn't fall down and cry, because... well... it was just a 9mm... and we all know they're... :couch:... nevermind.

:supergrin:

Fear Night

03-14-2008, 06:08

Holy crap, you can see where the bullet went through. Better than blowing a finger clean off I guess.

But yeah, that could happen to anybody. The front grip broke right off.

Quail Fat

03-14-2008, 06:43

The dude was holding the gun with a weak girly-man grip..

Northalius

03-14-2008, 07:24

Whoever said this is a reason why we shouldn't have G18's: If you're going to say that, then if someone shoots themselves by accident with any semi-auto, we should not buy them either? ;)

This guy screwed up, not the gun. ;)

JASV.17

03-14-2008, 07:44

Ummmm..........OUCH!

Not to mention he swept his buddy pretty good. But then again, I guess your mindframe and attention might shift once you put a bullet through your hand.

Hickeroar

03-14-2008, 08:59

I'd say at least one safety rule was broken. It looked like he was using some kind of grip in the front. I don't know that I would want my left hand that close to the muzzle.

In order to shoot yourself or someone else unintentionally you have to simultaneously break ALL FOUR of the basic gun safety rules at the same time.

4TS&W

03-14-2008, 09:14

I dont' really think he is screwed, because he can always say he was shooting a semi-auto at the range, and accidentally shot his hand....

...well, until this video gets viewed by the wrong person that is... :wow:

greenmtnboy

03-14-2008, 09:21

like my dad always told me, " it hurts being stupid."

G31

03-14-2008, 09:43

You can tell that his grip on the gun is too loose because there is a huge gap between the web of his hand and the tang of the grip. Usually shooting like that causes control problems. He's probably an inexperienced shooter.

JMS

03-14-2008, 10:16

g17g22

03-14-2008, 10:41

The way I see it was he started out in semi-automatic mode then just before he got shot he switched to full auto mode but he was not expecting such a quick recoil back and didn't prepare a stronger grip on the gun.
This was careless and stupid mistake.

jastroud

03-14-2008, 10:44

Took a little concrete off the ceiling as well. HIS friends were pretty cool about it. I heard one of them ask, "Did you GET shot?" My buddies, wife in particular would have said, "Why did you shoot YOURSELF, you DUMBA**?"

electrikhelfire

03-14-2008, 10:51

Pain and suffering.

martinDFW

03-14-2008, 11:44

He clearly shot himself. If you look closely you can see chunks of flesh flying as well, ouch. As others have stated he took it like a man, I think I would have squealed like a stuck pig.

g17g22

03-14-2008, 11:49

Whether he took it like a man or girl this kind of carelessness and stupidity will give antigun asshol* excuses to further control our guns.

EAGLESFANPHILA

03-14-2008, 11:53

It looks as if he's still firing while lowering the weapon. That's definitely how he got hit in the hand. Definitely as user's mistake. Whatever grip he was using is terrible. They shouldn't allow G18's to be shot indoors unless by professionals. Hopefully his is ok with no permanent damage to his hand.

Wiskey_33

03-14-2008, 11:57

Not sure about a forward grip on it. Can't really see one when he changes positions.

Either way, he's lucky he only shot himself once...by the looks of the video, a few went off right by his hand...

Moron.

Scarecrow28

03-14-2008, 11:58

He didn't fall down and cry, because... well... it was just a 9mm... and we all know they're... :couch:... nevermind.

:supergrin:

:rofl:
Regardless of his stupidity, you've gotta give him credit for not falling over and balling.

Wiskey_33

03-14-2008, 12:07

:rofl:
Regardless of his stupidity, you've gotta give him credit for not falling over and balling.

everyone knows that falling, balling, and shot calling is not proper range etiquette.

g17g22

03-14-2008, 12:15

everyone knows that falling, balling, and shot calling is not proper range etiquette.

Who knows the camera shut off too quickly. He might be doing just that behind the scene. :rofl:

Lugi

03-14-2008, 15:59

It's his own damn fault , AND IT'S NOT A G18 ......just a converted G17 !

Polak

03-14-2008, 16:47

****ing idiot.

wsteps

03-14-2008, 17:35

I'll bet his demeanor changed in a very meaningful way after the initial shock wore off. He probably was not feeling any pain while that video was running. A few minutes later though ...

There is nothing more dangerous in this world than ignorance in motion.

Warren in Annapolis

philly b

03-14-2008, 17:37

i really liked the post on u-tube... "what is that forward grip extension so i can avoid it like the plague"

i dunno why you guys are calling him an idiot, that thing slipped off and it wasnt really his fault

blownhemi

03-14-2008, 17:47

Looks like one of these grips. I'm definitely not buying one

http://shop.pbaimports.com.au:8000/images/fab_tactical_fore_grip.jpg

Blitzer

03-14-2008, 17:48

That gonna leave a mark!

Fear Night

03-14-2008, 20:05

Looks like one of these grips. I'm definitely not buying one

http://shop.pbaimports.com.au:8000/images/fab_tactical_fore_grip.jpg
I don't think it broke, just slid off the front of the gun. I'd assume these are made to be tightened down and secured on the rail. In any case, I wouldn't want my hand that close to the muzzle of a G18 anyway. Seems like the polymer could either break or soften because of the vibration and heat.

loose cannon

03-14-2008, 22:10

i gotta ask this,,,

wheres the blast damage???

that close to the muzzle there should be a much nastier wound due to muzzleblast.

hhmmmmmmmmm

GLOCK_27

03-14-2008, 22:22

i gotta ask this,,,

wheres the blast damage???

that close to the muzzle there should be a much nastier wound due to muzzleblast.

hhmmmmmmmmm

lol you think its fake?

Mushinto

03-14-2008, 22:24

I don't think it broke, just slid off the front of the gun. I'd assume these are made to be tightened down and secured on the rail. In any case, I wouldn't want my hand that close to the muzzle of a G18 anyway. Seems like the polymer could either break or soften because of the vibration and heat.
Someone should mention about now that putting a forward grip on the rails of a Glock without it being manufatured and stamped as an AOW is violation of federal law.

A very stupid law made up by the BATFE, but a real law nevertheless.

ML

BoroTech

03-14-2008, 22:40

I have shot a similar setup to the gun in this video. My range has a converted G17 slide running on a CCF stainless frame. My buddy Jeremy and I rented it and blew a lot of money on 9mm ammo. The gun was by no means hard to control. (Of course, the stainless frame may have had something to do with that!) As fun as it was, I couldn't see how it could be of much tactical value.

NickoGlock

03-14-2008, 22:43

I dont think he got shot.. The exit wound would be flooding the floor with blood

loose cannon

03-14-2008, 22:50

lol you think its fake?

one does wonder,,,,

9mm has a very violent muzzleblast due to the fact that theres 30000+psi of high temp gas right behind the bullet.

take and set a peice of meat(roast?)on top of a fence post put the muzzle of a g17 about 5" from it and fire.

there wont be a neat hole surrounded by unmared meat,there will be a mess some of which you will be wearing.

Javelin

03-14-2008, 22:52

He will have to be more careful next time.

TxGun

03-14-2008, 22:58

That may well be fake. If it isn't, the guy gained some valuable experience. And he's also the one guy that I've seen or heard about on this forum that I might empathize with if he starts whining about how his hand hurts. :whistling:

scud

03-14-2008, 23:41

I don't think that our "expert" had time to bleed yet. I think that is a nice piercing however. Anyone that ignorant should try to give themselves a prince richard, (if that is the one that goes through the end of your 21st digit) by using the same method. He might not want to use a full auto for this however. Who knows - this guy does not appear to be fond of taking advice. Look for him on the Darwin Awards.

JDThresher

03-15-2008, 00:17

Can you say dumb a_ _?

hvacguy

03-15-2008, 01:13

Is that Walmart Glocker? :supergrin:

BlindBoyJoe

03-15-2008, 02:01

First of all, a vertical grip doesn't belong on a Glock. Second of all, It looks like the presure he was aplying to the vertical grip and gun handle was going this way,
<----v-grip / gun hadle---->
Istead of this way
---->v-grip/gun handle<----

That is why the v-grip fell off. If he was pushing the V-Grip towards the muzzle and pulling the gun handle towards the rear sights, it would not have happened. I hope that makes sense.

viniglock

03-15-2008, 09:16

Could have been lot worse if the bullets were hollow point, would have split the hand.

GLOCK_27

03-15-2008, 10:00

Is that Walmart Glocker? :supergrin:

hHHAHAHAHAHAH. also i dont think its fake. you can see bullets hitting the celling as it rises, right before one goes in his hand.

Kentak

03-15-2008, 12:33

Quarterbore

03-15-2008, 21:07

Someone should mention about now that putting a forward grip on the rails of a Glock without it being manufatured and stamped as an AOW is violation of federal law.

A very stupid law made up by the BATFE, but a real law nevertheless.

ML

Well, in the case of a semiauto you are correct, registered machineguns can have vertical grips so there is nothing illgegal about this. Just should have been a much stronger grip/mount as well as more experienced monkey pulling the trigger.

These guns are too fast for a newbie, and this guy was certainly a newbie!

Mushinto

03-15-2008, 23:59

Well, in the case of a semiauto you are correct, registered machineguns can have vertical grips ...
Yes, when I said Glock, I was referring to the semi-auto version.

ML

BustedFlush

03-16-2008, 09:37

If you freeze the vid at just the right moment, you can see that the foregrip separated from the frame. I hypothesize that the foregrip came loose during one of the rapid bursts, allowing the left hand to inadvertently come into the line of fire. I couldn't tell the extent of the wound, but hopefully a graze instead of a puncture.

If this is correct, it's not the shooter's fault, but a mechanical failure of the grip to stay on the frame. It could, of course, have been improperly fastened or not tightened down enough. Or, bad design.

K

Like you, I watched and rewatched it, trying to decide if he really shot himself (I think so) and whether he did serious damage to his hand. You just can't tell.

I tried multiple google searches, trying to turn up a news story, without luck. If we are to believe the person that posted this video, it happened at Gator Guns in West Palm Beach. The video was posted March 13, and the poster's profile say he is in Korea - Army perhaps?

You would think if he really had some first hand knowledge of the incident, it would be posted in the descriptions or comments on youtube.

Maybe someone with knowledge of the incident will post, or someone will find a news article.

BF

obvious troll

03-16-2008, 09:46

I've had the tip of my thumb shot, it took a minute to start gushing blood.

Doc226

03-16-2008, 09:57

I've had the tip of my thumb shot, it took a minute to start gushing blood.

We NEED the story--please:wow:

hikerpaddler

03-16-2008, 09:57

Actually, it's the shooter's fault. His grip is much to far down the frame. He was basically half holding on to the gun with his firing hand, and heavily relying on the foregrip to hold the gun down. With a proper grip, the gun would have done nothing more than climb when the foregrip separated.

If you freeze the vid at just the right moment, you can see that the foregrip separated from the frame. I hypothesize that the foregrip came loose during one of the rapid bursts, allowing the left hand to inadvertently come into the line of fire. I couldn't tell the extent of the wound, but hopefully a graze instead of a puncture.

If this is correct, it's not the shooter's fault, but a mechanical failure of the grip to stay on the frame. It could, of course, have been improperly fastened or not tightened down enough. Or, bad design.

K

obvious troll

03-16-2008, 10:14

We NEED the story--please:wow:

It was a self defense situation. Couple of years ago a guy a pulled gun on me, I grabbed at the slide to take it out of battery. I was a little drunk and foolishly placed my thumb in front of the muzzle and 'BANG' took the tip right off. I posted pics on walmartglockers thread. I'll try and post it here.

Doc226

03-16-2008, 10:16

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w76/Ayavei/Slipoff1.jpg
You can clearly see that the fore grip has slipped off.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w76/Ayavei/Slipoff2.jpg
Next frame, gun appears to be aimed downrange and upwards

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w76/Ayavei/Slipoff4.jpg
Next frame

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w76/Ayavei/Hole.jpg
Clearly a "hole" in the hand, no exit seen

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w76/Ayavei/Slipoff6.jpg
No exit wound

obvious troll

03-16-2008, 10:24

145382

dhoomonyou

03-16-2008, 10:52

I sent the link to someone who works at GATOR.

He said "WTF?" didnt know anything.

Blinky

03-16-2008, 11:19

Two idiots here. The shooter and the person who thought it was a good idea to the front grip and not add a shoulder stock.

sigcalcatrant

03-16-2008, 15:43

145382Yup, it's been circumsized. :supergrin:

ibedanny

03-16-2008, 16:23

Atleast it wasnt a Glock Fowty.... I had to say it. :supergrin:

Habu

03-16-2008, 16:28

Ya know, I just looked up the word "retarded" in the dictionary, and there was a picture of that shooter! Unbelievable!

GLOCK_27

03-16-2008, 18:20

I sent the link to someone who works at GATOR.

He said "WTF?" didnt know anything.

would they be liable for someone shot at there range?

lastevolution

03-16-2008, 18:34

Ouch!

Did anyone else watch the G18 - 298 'nearly' continuous round video next to it?
Impressive. :whistling:

It was a G19 with an auto conversion.

Habu

03-16-2008, 18:39

No, the range would not be liable for someone injuring themselves on their range. Most ranges have that policy--they make you read/sign a piece of paper to that effect the very first time ya shoot there.

DontSaveHer

03-20-2008, 09:59

He was obviously limp wristing the rear grip or not even holding it firmly at all and using all of his grip on the front to keep it from coming up in full auto. When the front grip broke or slid off his strong grip on the front grip stayed there as the gun walked backwards on him in full auto due to his extreme limp wristing.

Mako Security made a magazine base plate that doubles as a front grip but discontinued it due to "breaking" . FAB DEFENSE now carries them. They both also sell the newer folding style grip .http://www.fabdefense.com/images/catalog/products/118354114852.jpg

If anything the whole dust cover/accesory rail broke off with the grip, because there is very little reinforcement in that area as you can see from the frame flex in this slow motion glow firing video. A front grip is possible but you cant use only the front grip to take all of the recoil. A stock is also recommended for use in conjunction with front grip. You would have better accuracy with a normal 2 handed grip than using a front grip without a stock.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TDT8-0VlSxI

dhoomonyou

03-20-2008, 10:07

the ATF was there and the gun is LEGAL, has papers.

Zell

03-20-2008, 10:53

If you take a closer look at the video, just after the last shot, you'll notice something flips forward (like a chunk of his flesh) and you'll also see some fluid run down the lens of the video camera (focus of the ceiling to the upper left side of the target). It's some kind of fluid that hits the camera lens and runs down it right after the shot.

Zell

03-20-2008, 10:56

Actually it looks like some fluid splatter hits the camera lens and runs down it.

D-GLOCK17

03-20-2008, 12:50

:crying: OUCHY MAMA!!!:crying:

Shot or cut...looks painful either way.

Crack Shot

03-20-2008, 14:18

Looks real to me.

Looks like the foregrip slipped off and...well you saw the rest. This looks like a genuine accident. Even everyone acting like cool customers wasn't really that, they were just in shock.

Some of you said it doesn't look real because of a lack of blood. Well, for what it's worth, years ago I got stabbed really hard in the hand with a knife almost exactly where he shot himself.

When I looked down at the wound, I could clearly see the insides of my hand and was suprised that there was no blood coming out. I could just see parts of muscle and what was possibly a tendon clear as day.

It took about 10 seconds. THEN the blood came. And did it come!!! I almost fainted.

CJMello

03-20-2008, 14:22

I'd say at least one safety rule was broken. It looked like he was using some kind of grip in the front. I don't know that I would want my left hand that close to the muzzle.

Ya, his support hand seems to be somewhere forward.

r2kba

03-20-2008, 23:33

Haha That's pretty sad to watch. Nothing like putting a 9mm hole in your hand, then sweeping the kneecaps of everyone else with the same gun instead of putting it down on the table.

Glockdude1

03-22-2008, 20:12

:shocked:

Z Me FLY

04-01-2008, 17:12

Here is a little update for everyone. I guess the owner of the gun saw the video on youtube and sent the guy who uploaded it a response...

"remember me?? I was the guy who owned the glock. I also asked you if you wanted to shoot it and you said no. it is all legal I am a class 2 mfg (FFL/SOT holder to mfg machine guns and silencers and other NFA weapons) that is a glock 17C converted to full auto by me legally. I asked you if you wanted to shoot it and you said no. just to clear things up. the grip is made in israel for there special forces, just for Glocks which they use extensively. it is not some cheap air soft grip that I jimmy rigged on the gun. although you could use it on any acc. rail. the rail on the glock is not just used to flashlights and lasers. it is an accessory rail for any acc. this accident was complete user error, he basically held the front grip tight and did not hold the gun tight enough when it recoiled he was pushing forward on the grip so hard that it broke off the gun. it actually broke a chuck out of the bottom of the Glocks receiver. the grip for a lack of better explanation was ripped off the front of the gun. I fired 10's of thousands of rounds through that gun before this happened and I have used it since with no problem. you may post this email from me under the video if you wish or not either way it does not matter to me. I just see allot of arm chair commandos that don't really know what there talking about making comments and I just wanted to set the records straight. feel free to email me back and ask nay questions you want. "

There you go...