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RussP
06-01-2008, 19:02
This is the only one I have of me with my hair dyed, before I washed the excess dye out.

The outfit is NOT my usual attire - I was trying to come up with an outfit my fiancee wouldn't be seen in public with me wearing. It worked. I think it was the socks and sandals...

http://www.songofthewinds.com/RickOrange.jpg
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151062&stc=1&d=1212367957

If you can do that, I can wear my pink shirt....

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=151063&stc=1&d=1212368397

:thumbsup:

Aran
06-01-2008, 21:00
This evening's OC was just to Giant Eagle. Same shorts as in that picture, an old pair of shoes, and a red spandex athletic top. My hair was also gelled this morning into a "messy" style, and has since lost most of the gel, and was flying behind me on the motorcycle on the way there.

I got a lot of stares, but I don't think anyone noticed my Glock for some reason...

Prometheus77
06-03-2008, 19:16
Sunday was a great OC day in NW Indiana... Grocery store to hardware store to Cabelas. Good times and the only comment on OC I had was from a guy working the gun counter at Cabelas wondering how I like my serpa holster.

Warp
06-03-2008, 19:21
Sunday was a great OC day in NW Indiana... Grocery store to hardware store to Cabelas. Good times and the only comment on OC I had was from a guy working the gun counter at Cabelas wondering how I like my serpa holster.

:thumbsup:

I've been to that Cabelas a few times before. :)

Aran
06-03-2008, 22:35
Sunday was a great OC day in NW Indiana... Grocery store to hardware store to Cabelas. Good times and the only comment on OC I had was from a guy working the gun counter at Cabelas wondering how I like my serpa holster.

So....how DO you like it? It's on my list of things to replace my Uncle Mike's nylon.

mnglocker
06-03-2008, 22:46
So....how DO you like it? It's on my list of things to replace my Uncle Mike's nylon.


Sweet CHEEBUS! Doooooood, you need to get yourself a nice holster or two. Get a serpa, just because they're light and handy, then go get yourself some prem'o leather, like RussP's Tucker HF1 ( :drool: ), possibly with a thumbreak since you ride.

Aran
06-03-2008, 23:44
Hey, I like my Uncle Mike's for what it is and how cheap it was (like $10). It's well-made, and keeps a rather firm grip on all of my pistols (including my .22s, though I'd feel ridiculous carrying them, especially the Neos) and has a thumb break.

My thoughts are a Serpa and maybe an M-Tac. I have a Glock 17 and a full-size Witness that I regularly carry, and I'd like to find something that can hold both interchangeably (which I know the M-Tac can't, but it seems like a really nice holster from everything I've seen of it)

Warp
06-04-2008, 08:41
I am very happy with my Serpa.

mnglocker
06-07-2008, 16:54
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb4/953kdjs/EGB2.jpg

-Not a photo shop- :supergrin:

RussP
06-08-2008, 11:26
Folks, lets keep this thread on topic - Stories.

If you want to do a show and tell, or discuss equipment, do that in the main CI Forum.

If you want to talk about getting together, do it via private messages. If you want it to be a group social gathering, post the proposed plans in the main forum.

I'm going to clean up the thread a bit. You may find your post(s) deleted, or a new thread created. Nothing personal.


:cool:

franktait
06-08-2008, 19:18
Here is one I posted on PAFOA from about a month ago....

Good OC afternoon today - no issues OC'ing on the Radnor Trail, food shopping in Genaurdi's or at the Do it Best hardware store. Had a good OC encounter having lunch at Minella's diner - Older black couple (70's) sitting in the both next to us. As my wife and I were leaving this is my best recollection of the conversation:
Woman: I see that you have a gun on your belt there.
Me: Yes Ma'am
Woman: So are you some kind of cop?
Me: No Ma'am, just a regular human being exercising my rights
Woman: So it's legal to have a gun out in the open like that?
Me: Yes Ma'am, outside of Philly anyone can openly carry a firearm on foot without any type of license
Women: I never knew that
Me: Thank you for noticing and not thinking I was a threat by speaking to me
Woman: Well you were sitting next to me and the gun was right there
Me: You'd be surprised at how many people don't notice. I was at the airport this morning and took the train to 30th street station and then back to Wayne and most people I saw didn't notice.
Woman: Thank you for speaking with me and God Bless you
Me: God Bless you as well Ma'am

franktait
06-08-2008, 19:20
Here's another one from 3 weeks ago...

Well USairways is going for a record canceling my flights :-(

Good OC day today.
AVIS car rental return in Phila - had a good conversation with the guy checking in the cars. Asked me if I was a bounty hunter (first time I heard that). Explained I was just a regular citizen exercising my 2nd amendment rights. Turned out he's pro 2nd amendment and was disappointed to learn he needed his LTCF to OC in Philly. He was very grateful to get a copy of PA Patriot's Firearms rights pamphlet. (gotta print some more of those).

No issues:
Terminal B/C baggage claim at the Philly Airport, waiting for the airport train, train to 30th street, waiting at 30th st, Dunkin Donuts at 30th St, Train to Wayne, Radnor Cleaners, CVS, Braxtons, or having lunch in Freehouse with my wife.

Had an interesting encounter with some women at a Larouche table by the Wayne post office, but they didn't notice the 1911 - I noticed their Al Gore is a "Cereal killer" sign and burst out laughing...

Today was a sidewalk sale day in Wayne and they had historical actors walking around in colonial garb. My wife and I walked around Wayne for a while before and after lunch and I had a snappy answer all set up to use if they noticed the 1911 - but alas - they like almost everyone else - didn't notice.

If asked about my firearm I was going to say that I was an 'Associator'. Which is the colonial name for someone who was armed with their personal weapons to defend their personal liberty (PA didn't have a Militia - it had armed Associations with members being called Associators. Benjamin Franklin started these in the 1740's.)
....Interesting facts courtesy of the book The Founders View of the Right to Bear Arms by David E Young. (I highly recommend it)

grishnav
06-08-2008, 20:19
If asked about my firearm I was going to say that I was an 'Associator'. Which is the colonial name for someone who was armed with their personal weapons to defend their personal liberty (PA didn't have a Militia - it had armed Associations with members being called Associators. Benjamin Franklin started these in the 1740's.)
....Interesting facts courtesy of the book The Founders View of the Right to Bear Arms by David E Young. (I highly recommend it)


I think I'm going to start using that even though I don't live in Philly.

T: Are you a cop?
M: Nope, I'm an... associator.
T: Ooh, what's that?
M: Someone very, very important... go on to talk about exercising rights.

StudParker
06-09-2008, 12:37
My tale of Open Carry does relate to the photo above by MnGlocker. I attended the 2nd Effen Gopher Bar Open Carry Breakfast. Fun time and nice folks as usual.

On the way I stop to pick up my buddy who is attending as well. I'm in golf shorts and a polo with a G19 in a Glock Sport/Combat holster strong side. My buddy is dressed similarly and is carrying a G22 strong side PLUS a G27 weak side.

We decide to stop at the local Caribou Coffee on the way in to St. Paul. As we're exiting my truck, what looks like a Police Officer is exiting Caribou and walking to his car parked right next to my truck. I climb down and notice he's wearing blue pants with a Glock and mags on a well stocked service belt. I greet him with a "Good Morning! On your way to breakfast?" He turns and looks and starts with "Nope, just on my way to spend a day (insert raised eyebrow awareness of two openly armed gentlemen here)....at....a....bank." I respond with "Have a great day!" You can see he's deciding if this is worth his time. Apparently not as he climbs in and drives off.

We enter the Caribou and find the typical young, cute, women behind the counter. You can see some befuddled expressions and the bravest takes our order. We respond with typical old guy flirtations and as she "snorts" (literally..good for several laughs) everything returns to calm and all are content.

We noticed driving in that there is a motorcycle rally (mostly squids) gathering in the parking lot. Since we're both riders and decided not to ride this morning due to T-storms in the area we walk over and check it out. The young ladies at the registration table looked a bit confused but the organizer of the event promptly comes over to check us out. We're friendly and let the guy we know of his organization and wish them luck for their fundraiser. Within minutes we're pretty much ignored. (Not to discount one young lady clearing looking from hip to hip to face when she notes my friend's carrying two!)

We climb in the truck and proceed to the breakfast. As we walk up the sidewalk to the bar we notice at least 3 other people walking on the sidewalk on a clear (figures) June morning in downtown St. Paul, Mn. openly carrying sidearms. Drivers on the street glance and do....nothing.

Breakfast proceeds and all is well.

Morning's total encounters:

1 law enforcement-->No problems

30 people on the streets, parking lots, and coffee shop-->No problems.

Complaints? None. Friendly interactions? All of 'em.

Nitro66DS
06-14-2008, 20:56
I like to ride bicycles as a form of exercise on nice warm days. In past threads about how to carry on a bike I've talked about how I use a Serpa setup in cross-draw to hold my G26 across my hip but I've always had a t-shirt or jersey pulled over it. I know it had a tendency to ride up and expose a portion of the firearm and I had to believe the bulge that is present when stopped at a light had to be seen by passerbys.

Today, I said "screw that" and let her fly. The whole advantage of this setup is nullified by the cover garment while on a bicycle because its kinda hard to control a bike in a stressful situation while needing both hands to get at one's firearm. Today, I just pulled the jersey down to about where the nylon belt and holster was.

Man, it was a nice afternoon here in Central Oregon. Mid 70s, no clouds, pastures are still green and the winds were light. I rode a loop that took me out and around about half the city. When I got back into town a lady cruised past with the bed of her pickup full of US flags and she waved. On many weekends flags are posted all up and down the main corridors of downtown and this gave me an idea...why not close out my first true civilian open carry experience with a tour through downtown on my bike past 100s of US flags?

It was awesome! "What a country" RIP Tim Russert. :patriot:

Aran
06-15-2008, 02:45
I open carried at the local Chinese buffet and the mall today.

At the Chinese buffet, there was a family spread across two tables, kids at one, adults at the other, that we sat near. As we came in, the kids, who looked about 13-14, looked at me and started laughing their heads off. Fair enough, my hair is pretty ridiculous.

I turned around after putting my placemat and cup down, and went to grab a plate of food, and they instantly stopped laughing, and only glanced at me a few times after that. But were still really *******ed annoying, and I wish their parents would have NOT BEEN ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE NOISY ****S.

Then we went over to the mall across the street, where we only went into a few stores. First stop, as always, Borders.

As soon as I wandered around one of the clearance racks, one of the women at the counter picked up the phone, one woman glared at me like I had just raped her daughter in front of her. The woman on the phone's conversation went like so -

"Hi, we have a guy with a gun in our store."

. . . .

"Well, he's just wandering around checking out books."

. . ..

"Yes, he's been in here three or four times without incident."

. .. . .

"Well, I thought they weren't allowed to have them in the mall" (In a very nose-in-the-air voice)

. .. .

"Oh. Well! Thanks anyway."

And she went back to glaring at me. I don't know if she knew I could hear her from where I was standing, about half-way across the store, but I don't think she really cared.

At any rate, nobody turned up to say anything to me, and she ducked back to the employee's only room when I went up to check out. I got a nice copy of The World Encyclopedia of Rifles and Machine Guns", a big illustrated hardcover "coffee table" book. Pretty interesting read.

From there we went to JCPenney since I needed to pick up a few new dressier shirts. Nobody looked at me sideways, or really paid any attention to me, until I got to the register.

Two middle-aged women at the registers who I see every time I'm in there noticed my shirt, "Things You Need to Know About Chuck Norris" and could barely make it through ringing me out they were laughing so hard at it. They especially liked the "Chuck Norris isn't hung like a horse; Horses are hung like Chuck Norris" line.

All in all, a positive day.

Norman
06-15-2008, 06:10
"Chuck Norris isn't hung like a horse; Horses are hung like Chuck Norris" line.



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I love this open carry story thread. Please keep them coming.

r.smitty
06-15-2008, 10:23
After a day of atv'ing in the mountains my wife and I stopped at the Burger King in Salida Colorado just to get a quick bite. I had my 1911 on my side. A customer in line in front of us kept looking back at me and after he got his order he came back and with a very unfriendly tone said "Why you wearin' a gun in here?". I politely replied that it was my right and it wasn't against the law. "Well I don't like it" he said. He then walked away. If I had been a little quicker I would have said "Because there are people in here wearing backpacks (as he was) and I don't know what they might be carrying.

Warp
06-15-2008, 10:44
I open carried at the local Chinese buffet and the mall today.

At the Chinese buffet, there was a family spread across two tables, kids at one, adults at the other, that we sat near. As we came in, the kids, who looked about 13-14, looked at me and started laughing their heads off. Fair enough, my hair is pretty ridiculous.

I turned around after putting my placemat and cup down, and went to grab a plate of food, and they instantly stopped laughing, and only glanced at me a few times after that. But were still really *******ed annoying, and I wish their parents would have NOT BEEN ENCOURAGING THEM TO BE NOISY ****S.

Then we went over to the mall across the street, where we only went into a few stores. First stop, as always, Borders.

As soon as I wandered around one of the clearance racks, one of the women at the counter picked up the phone, one woman glared at me like I had just raped her daughter in front of her. The woman on the phone's conversation went like so -

"Hi, we have a guy with a gun in our store."

. . . .

"Well, he's just wandering around checking out books."

. . ..

"Yes, he's been in here three or four times without incident."

. .. . .

"Well, I thought they weren't allowed to have them in the mall" (In a very nose-in-the-air voice)

. .. .

"Oh. Well! Thanks anyway."

And she went back to glaring at me. I don't know if she knew I could hear her from where I was standing, about half-way across the store, but I don't think she really cared.

At any rate, nobody turned up to say anything to me, and she ducked back to the employee's only room when I went up to check out. I got a nice copy of The World Encyclopedia of Rifles and Machine Guns", a big illustrated hardcover "coffee table" book. Pretty interesting read.

From there we went to JCPenney since I needed to pick up a few new dressier shirts. Nobody looked at me sideways, or really paid any attention to me, until I got to the register.

Two middle-aged women at the registers who I see every time I'm in there noticed my shirt, "Things You Need to Know About Chuck Norris" and could barely make it through ringing me out they were laughing so hard at it. They especially liked the "Chuck Norris isn't hung like a horse; Horses are hung like Chuck Norris" line.

All in all, a positive day.


That's great!

Warp
06-15-2008, 14:28
I open carried to the Mall of Georgia this afternoon.

Nothing happened.

certifiedfunds
06-15-2008, 15:08
OC'd all day Friday. First stop, the tool rental store to return a rented tiller. Guy working the receiving dock walked up with his hands up saying "I surrender." He then asked if I was a cop or something. I replied, "No." Went on inside to settle the bill. No one even took a second glance that I noticed.

Carried various places throughout the day, no problems.

That evening I went to grab a few things at the grocery store. This was my first time OCing after dark, which felt like it added a whole other dimension.

The store is not in a bad location, but serves some bad areas. As a result I know they always have an off duty deputy working the door after dark. As I walk in, there he is.....a little nervous so as his eyes met mine I asked, "The store doesn't have a problem with me carrying this in, do they?"

He replied, "I sure carry mine! No problem as long as you're authorized to carry it. You're authorized right?"

"Yeah," I replied while thinking, "By the U.S. and Louisiana Constitutions."

This guy was in his late 50s to early 60s so I'd assume he's been a deputy for at least 20 years or so, so I don't know what "authorization" he was referring to.

Next stop, Walgreens. As I walk into the store the manager is coming toward me by coincidence, from the other end of the store, so he got a lood look and I got some uneasy vibes. I moved fairly quickly through the store grabbing a few items, he seemed to always be around. As I approached the checkout I had to grab something kinda behind the register. Its something I buy frequently and always just grab for myself rather than wait. With the sidearm on my hip and what I perceived to be a nervous manager on my wing, I rather loudly asked, "Do you mind if I grab one of those?" to the cashier.

She replied, "No, go right ahead."

As I'm waiting in line, I hear the manager tell the lady behind me, "C'mon over here ma'am, I'll open this register."

Maybe it was a little paranoia, but I got the feeling he was doing it to get her from behind the man with the gun, maybe to have a reason to hang around.

I check out and make sure to pay with a card instead of cash, figuring maybe leaving a name on the machine would put the guy at ease a little. As I leave the store the manager is still on my tail walking out behind me kinda looking for something to do. He grabs a buggy, pushes it kinda toward the store, and shuffles around a little while I get in my truck. I purposely take my time starting the car and leaving.

And that was it. All in all, my first time facing a LEO while OCing and, to my knowledge, my first time making someone visibly nervous. Still, I consider it uneventful.

What I worry about is being either detained when my wife is at home with the kids waiting for me to return, or worse, having to call her from the station to explain where I am or to come with bail. I know in the end I haven't broken a law, but, it could make for some uncomfortable home life for a while.

Stevecol
06-15-2008, 15:52
Here in Arizona if you don't have a CCW you must open carry.
However if it's open carry or concealed, you can't enter an establishment that serves alchohol. Even if it's a bar seperate form the resturaunt.
Bottom line is that even if there is no bar and they have a liquor license, it's illegal to carry. The only way you can enter is if it's an emergency and you don't order an alchohol. I always laugh a bit at that since if it was a true emergency, why would you stop to have a beer. I have met folks who probably would.

Deputydave
06-17-2008, 20:37
I'd like to see Florida go OC, CCW can be a real pain in the arse. You always have to either dress around the gun or carry in a fanny pack. OC would be a whole lot easier.

Warp
06-17-2008, 20:42
The easiest/best is simply to have the freedom to choose open or concealed.

Deputydave
06-17-2008, 20:44
First time I've seen this thread and I'm intrigued. Educate me folks, how many and which states allow OC? Are out of staters also allowed when visiting or traveling through the state? What about while in your vehicle driving.

Appreciate the education :wavey:

kelsitone
06-17-2008, 20:53
First time I've seen this thread and I'm intrigued. Educate me folks, how many and which states allow OC? Are out of staters also allowed when visiting or traveling through the state? What about while in your vehicle driving.

Appreciate the education :wavey:
The second post in this sticky has lots of great OC info. You can also check out opencarry.org.

Generally, when you're in a state, the laws of that state apply to you while you are within its borders, regardless of your residence.

Mayhem like Me
06-18-2008, 10:25
I open carried to the Mall of Georgia this afternoon.

Nothing happened.

Was that you with the CCW badge next to your Glock?

RussP
06-18-2008, 19:54
First time I've seen this thread and I'm intrigued. Educate me folks, how many and which states allow OC? Are out of staters also allowed when visiting or traveling through the state? What about while in your vehicle driving.

Appreciate the education :wavey:
This will help... http://opencarry.org/opencarry.html


:cool:

feltoosj
06-19-2008, 22:10
A week or two ago, I OCed into a bank for the first time to deposit a paycheck (the bank is the one my employer uses so they'll cash the checks no problem). After receiving the cash, I went to my bank a few mins. away and OCed there.

At neither location was I met with an armed SWAT team on the way out. No one said anything at bank #1 (in fact I don't think anyone noticed) but at bank #2 the teller asked what I was carrying, prompting a few minute-long conversation about guns, naturally.

I OC around my town as often as I can. It's a small college town and I do it to a) exercise my right to do so; and b) desensitize individuals to firearms. As soon as my brother gets an OC holster for his Glock we're going to OC together and I definitely plan on taking my cowboy revolver out for a walk. I'm almost hoping to get stopped by PD one day because there's a husband and wife, both LEOs for the city, that order almost every week from the pizza place I manage at and I've gotten to know them a little bit since they're regulars. Husband's all for 2A rights (even CCW on campus :D) so I'd love to see the look on his face when he gets out, perhaps cautiously, and sees that it's just me.

Warp
06-22-2008, 16:56
Was that you with the CCW badge next to your Glock?

CCW badge?

I don't think I've ever seen one in person.

Prometheus77
06-22-2008, 17:43
CCW badge?

I don't think I've ever seen one in person.

I have.. guy driving a tow truck had it hanging from his rear view mirror, lol. Went perfect with the "police towing" decals all over it. :wow: What a joke. :upeyes:

Anyway to keep it on topic, lots of OC'ing this week. Hardware stores, movie rental, grocery stores, restaurants... Not a single negative remark or event.

rvrctyrngr
06-22-2008, 18:05
CCW badge?

I don't think I've ever seen one in person.

I've seen one. Guy in a gun store. Thought he was an off-duty SD working for extra $$. Asked to see one of the hi-powers in the case, and noticed it was a CC badge (he was open carrying).

I had such a hard time controlling the laughter building up I had to walk away and step outside. :animlol:

Just two weeks to OC steak nite, eh?

Warp
06-22-2008, 18:09
I've seen one. Guy in a gun store. Thought he was an off-duty SD working for extra $$. Asked to see one of the hi-powers in the case, and noticed it was a CC badge (he was open carrying).

I had such a hard time controlling the laughter building up I had to walk away and step outside. :animlol:

Just two weeks to OC steak nite, eh?

Less than two weeks. :)

Work schedule permitting.

StudParker
06-23-2008, 08:58
On the motorcycle with my wife this weekend. Rode to the Dairy Queen (no, not on a Wing), sat inside. Family's with their Little League'ers running around. Went to the John Deere dealership to buy some blades. Went to the grocery to get some grilling supplies. All in all, not a glance or problem with anyone. I'm beginning to think this here G19 is invisible.

botglock
06-23-2008, 10:51
How many states have open carry? Anyone know?

grishnav
06-23-2008, 10:52
How many states have open carry? Anyone know?

Like... 43 out of 50 have it in some form or another.

botglock
06-23-2008, 10:53
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Carry
Never mind check out the map at the link to find out.

magiaaron
06-23-2008, 22:52
Another thread I saw on here sparked my memory of this event. It was only a few years ago, but the memory had kinda faded.

So, I was carrying openly in walmart. I had done so on several different occasions and had noticed that a manager seemed to be following me wherever I went. Well, one day as I left, this manager hollered something to me about my gun. It was a question, but I can't remember it anymore. I was unable to hear the question the first time I was asked because I was under the big overhead fan that walmarts have installed near the front door. You know the one. I think they're made to keep the air in the store from rushing out the doors and vice-versa.

Anyway, I turn back and answer the question. It was a very very very awkward moment while I was speaking with the manager as it became quite clear she was talking to me because she wanted me to ask her on a date.

Well, the next time I was in there, I got her number. It didn't really work out between us later on, but... Oh well. Still had some fun. Now... How strange is that? Open carry and management doesn't ask you to leave, they ask for a date. True story. I promise.

-magiaaron

RussP
06-24-2008, 05:00
How many states have open carry? Anyone know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Carry
Never mind check out the map at the link to find out.
http://opencarry.org/images/opencarrymap.png

http://opencarry.org/images/opencarrymap.png

Go to the site and click on the state of interest.

Aran
06-24-2008, 06:53
Walked with my fiancee up to the bicycle shop on the main strip in town to pick up our bikes (She needed new tires, mine was just due for a tune up), carrying my Glock at its usual 7-o-clock almost-small-of-back carry (I'm left handed, remember.)

There was no panic in the streets, though a few cars coming up behind us yelled out their windows at me, couldn't understand a word anyone said since they pretty much sped up to go as fast as they could so they could yell and get away.

As we left the shop, there was a group of teenagers outside the movie theatre next door who gave us looks and one of them shouted "GO HOME!" though I'm not sure if that was directed at us or at someone else nearby.

My hair is no longer orange, for the record. It all washed out, and my hair is just bleached blond now.

Resqu2
06-26-2008, 18:26
Got caught open carrying yesterday at a sit down restaurant, they serve alcohol so it was not a choice about carry method here in VA. We were through eating and she leaned forward and noticed my Glock and I got a real mean look and a comment about packing that “thing” out in the open. She is close to being an anti but doesn't mind CCW at all.

I have been doing more and more OC while she is with me but believe it or not this is the first time that I got caught. My Glock sits in a high ride type holster and is hidden somewhat by a two way radio, I’m just careful about which side that I walk on so she doesn't notice. This has worked so far but I bet she looks closer from now on.

Funny thing about her, when she sees someone that makes her nervous she will whisper " you do have your Glock don't you?"

rvrctyrngr
06-26-2008, 18:54
Whose 'she'? Waitress?

kelsitone
06-26-2008, 19:55
Whose 'she'? Waitress?

She is his wife.

F350
06-27-2008, 01:33
We recently moved to Columbia Missouri for the wife's career and I have not found employment in my usual field (telecommunications) so I am working at a gun shop/indoor range. We OC at work and it is to hot to mess with wearing a cover to and from work so I have been OCing all over town for a couple months now. As I wear a shirt with the store's name and logo, all conversations are about the store, guns, carry laws etc; the girls at the stop-n-rob down the street want me to teach them to shoot. I have been to all manor of stores and have not been questioned once, even when walking past off duty city cops working security at night; which is kinda a bummer as I have some witty replies ready to go.

Kinda a dull post, nothing to report.

mnglocker
06-27-2008, 09:04
Kinda a dull post, nothing to report.


Nice isn't it? :cool:

Fiery Red XIII
06-27-2008, 09:32
I was recently camping, and visited a state park. I had a jacket, but got too hot...I also had my 14 month old Germ Shep/Dobe and my girlfriend with me. I was in jeans and a Dream Theater (band) t-shirt. We got warm, and I threw my jacket in the truck after hiking a while. We then ran to a store on the outside of the park for soda/water. Taking off my jacket left me open-carrying a G20. As we walked up to the store, I heard a woman say "look! He must be a k-9 officer, isn't that great?":upeyes:I ignored her and didn't correct or agree with her. That is all.

Red

mnglocker
06-27-2008, 09:34
I had some comments this last week. Tuesday while at my John Deere dealer, my sales guy did a double take and asked me "have you ever had to use that thing?" (G22 IWB) I told him "fortunately not” he then asked me "is it was a stun gun", I told him no, it was a .40 not a 9mm and if I had the grounds to use lethal force by no means do I want to use a stun-gun due to the fact that as soon as I'm done holding the switch the BG is up trying to kill me or inflict gross bodily harm again" He just smiled and went about his business. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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So. The next day my part came in and the counter guy gave me some flack this time, he asked me "why do you carried a gun?" I quickly replied, with "self-defense and because it's my right" followed quickly by a question of "why do you wear your seat belt?" He (parts guy) replied with "well I don't wear my seat belt” I told him "that's you own irresponsible prerogative” My sales guy just smiled, laughed and told the parts guy that he'd "hate to get the ticket for it". (The seat belt) Then the parts guy blatantly stated, "hell you can barely take that thing anywhere any ways, what's the point?" This is where I laughed out loud and told him MN is VERY limited on placed that I CAN'T take it. (Off-limit in MN... Jails, federal property excluding nat. forest, and the post office is still waiting for a test case, schools are OK as long as you have permission form the principal/super)<o:p></o:p>
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And then... Customer1 chimes in smiling (I think he was getting a kick out of this) "Yep, just in case you get a hankering to go hunting any time" I corrected him and said, "no, it's for when the proverbial **** hits the fan and some nut job decides to go people hunting" This killed the smile, I then told both of them, customer1 and the parts guy that "I don't carry a gun to be cool, I carry it for self-defense and to practice liberty. Carrying this is a huge responsibility the ramifications from having to use it are huge, and I do in fact carry extra insurance because of it." At this point the smiling jeers were gone, both customer1 and the parts guy were feeling mildly embarrassed at this point and we went about the rest of business as usual. The whole time my regular parts guy was watching and giggling, he's seen me packing many times and never bats an eye. <o:p></o:p>
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(this isn't the first time I've carried open in there by any means, he FINALLY just noticed)

rvrctyrngr
06-27-2008, 09:35
She is his wife.

Probably would have helped if I'd read the title to his post, eh? :embarassed:

ihctractor
06-27-2008, 11:51
I have a concealed carry licence and normally carry that way. Lately with the warmer weather I've been open carrying during my daily task and when riding the motorcycle. As far as I could tell no one noticed or cared. No police, no screams, no questions or dirty looks, nothin!
Anyway, last Sat. morning I set out walking the dog two miles to the gas station / convenient store for a cup of coffee like I do every Saturday. When I got there I tied up the dog and went inside. As I was pouring my coffee some one says "what are you carrying?" I looked up expecting a cop (not sure why) and saw a young seedy looking man so I said " its a Glock 36."
Then he asks me if I buy guns. I said I do when I can afford them. So he proceeds to write a name and phone number on a napkin and says his freind is getting divorced and needs money:upeyes:.
Just for grins I called the number.
Long story short, I now own a Remington 700 BDL in 30-06, a sweet custom built AR-15 (Olympic receiver, Douglas heavy match barrel and Jard two stage trigger). I also scored 500 30-06, and 1000 .223 rounds, all L.C. surplus.
Got the entire package for less than the AR was worth:tongueout:

You can hate me if you want to.

RussP
06-27-2008, 13:23
Now THAT is a new consequence of Open Carry!


:thumbsup:

kelsitone
06-27-2008, 19:19
Probably would have helped if I'd read the title to his post, eh? :embarassed:
Eh. Perhaps. :supergrin:

Nitro66DS
06-28-2008, 09:15
I have an update on my bicycle open carrying jaunts. Not too long ago I returned to the apartment complex to find my landlords out and about where they flagged me down to say hi and catch up on what's going on and stuff. They're very nice people and really seem to like me and look out for me while I'm out of town or whatnot. I've rented here for a few years now and they know about my ANG duty and civilian job responsibilities. Basically, what I'm saying is they know I'm an upstanding citizen and a good guy.

As far as I know, this has to be the first time they've ever seen me carry even though I've never been unarmed in their presence. We were chatting for a few minutes and neither skipped a beat in talking to me while my G26 was in full view to them. A local LEO cruised by and ignored me as well, but this isn't the funny part, just background.

Last night I finally got in from being out half the week and they were out again. Again, we chatted to say hi and stuff but they were really worried about when I was going to be back because they wanted to let me know of a new tenant who was moving in above me. They left a big note on my door because they wanted to be sure I knew it was just the new guys who were working on their place in the middle of the night (this must be the only time they could do their moving, I guess). I told them yeah, probably a good idea I don't get surprised in the middle of the night, lol. They laughed, too.

What's cool about this is I can see that rather than having to deal with some antis getting freaked out about a good guy with a gun, that here's a tightnit community forming closer ties to look out for eachother. That's the way it should be, I think.

Warp
06-28-2008, 09:20
............What's cool about this is I can see that rather than having to deal with some antis getting freaked out about a good guy with a gun, that here's a tightnit community forming closer ties to look out for eachother. That's the way it should be, I think.


:thumbsup:

solomansousana
06-28-2008, 11:46
LOL, all these people that object to other's OC'ing or CCW, have obviousely never been mugged, held up, or car jacked, or had a family member who has. They've never experienced what it's like to be completely helpless and at the mercy of some creep.

What's the old saying, " For Those Who Fought For It, Freedom Has A Flavor The Protected Will Never Know."

Azjeeper
06-28-2008, 20:40
saw a guy in tgif open carrying a 1911 in AZ you cant carry in places that serve alchol so it was a big no no but no one noticed he was even complaining about his steak and making a fuss to the manager, and no he wasnt a cop he was an old man in a polo shirt and cargo shorts with flip flops with his family, Other than that i open carry time to time no one says boo.

Aran
06-29-2008, 09:36
Yesterday I went out for a motorcycle ride (BEST DAY OF THE YEAR so far. It was GORGEOUS out.) and ended up stopping at Big Lots since I needed to get out of the sun for a few minutes.

While I was checking out, a guy (About my age) I had noticed earlier, mostly just overheard while he was talking to his friend, who seemed reeeeally high (Or just really excitable, who knows.) was in line behind me:

Him: What'cha got there?
Me: Hm? (I only half heard him)
Him: There, you know. (He motioned on himself as if he were drawing from a holster the same place I was wearing mine) What're you carrying?
Me: Er.(three second pause)... an EAA Witness. Sorry, had to think about what I had on me today.
Him: (Laugh) It's cool. So you have a lot of different ones you carry?
Me: Just this and my Glock 17
Him: Right on. Don't you go shooting anyone... you know, unless you have to.
Me: I don't plan on it (grin). Have a good day

And I walked out of the store, and got on my bike. While I was letting it warm up he came out, and as he walked past me he noticed me there and just shouted "Wooooooo RIDE ON!"

I don't know him, and doubt I'll run into him again for quite some time, if ever, but I'll be damned if he wasn't the most excited guy I've run into yet.

So, no bad encounter yesterday, for once. I know it probably sounded like a bland or even negative response from me, but that's just how I am :p

shotgunred
06-29-2008, 10:53
i was at a shoot yesterday in a nearby town. i had some errands to run afterwords. it was just to hot to throw on a jacket to conceal my pistol. so i thought what the heck i will just OC today. the guy i was with wasn't happy about it. but he realized i was not going to leave my gun in the car and let it be.

Most people didn't notice.
no one said anything to me.
the only reaction i got was one lady stared at my pistol for about 20 seconds. then pivoted around and stared at something on the shelf until i payed for my water and walked off.

RussP
06-29-2008, 11:53
Cool, Aran.....which Witness do you have?.40S&W, full size, steel frame, blue finish.Carry it SA or DA? Holster of choice?

I've always like the way the CZ-type pistols fit my hand. I have GOT to get around to getting one soon.Guys, this is off topic. This is what the Private Message system is for. :thumbsup:

Resqu2
06-29-2008, 19:10
Decided to OC all weekend, Saturday I took my Kimber with me in a high ride type holster and did the usual sit down meal At Chilies, Wally, Lowe's and a few other places. On Sunday decided to take my Glock in a similar holster and did the sit down at a nice restaurant thing then hit Target and a few other small stores and got not one look, stare, remark or anything. The security guy at Target didn't even seem to notice or care if he did.

Only remark was as we were getting out of the car the ol lady just looked at my gun and shook her head, I made the remark that I didn't scare anyone all weekend, she snapped back "just me" What can I do with her?? She hates to see my gun

Lone_Wolfe
06-29-2008, 20:13
that'll change in a big hurry if you ever have to use it to protect her.

akgunnut
06-30-2008, 03:21
I wanted to share the one negative OC experience I had.

One hot June day last year I had to help my Mom take her car to a car repair shop. Since it was so nice, sunny, and warm out, I decided I'd have the balls to open carry in front of my anti-gun Mother. I followed her to the repair shop, and she explained to the guy at the desk what was wrong with her car. He made a quick glance at me, and I could tell he looked down at my sidearm. He took her key from her and we left. We got home, and not five minutes later the phone rings. It is the guy at the repair shop. I thought to my self "well that was fast". I overheard my Mother say "Yes he did take the class." I knew right then that it was about me openly carrying. I heard her apologize and hung up. Then me and her had a good twenty minute argument about me carrying my gun in the open. I told her it was legal, and she told me the guy at the repair shop said it was ILLEGAL, and that the next time I went in there with my pistol out in the open, he would call the cops. I told my Mother I was not going to leave my gun at home, I did not go through the training to leave my gun at home. She reluctantly accepted that, and it ended there. Later that day my Dad talked to me about carrying, and while he accepts it, and has his permit too, he told me to be "sensitive" to my Mother's feelings. I told him I would carry concealed around her, and nothing has been said since.

The next day I wrote a nice letter to that repair shop, telling them they will no longer get to work on my car, and that I will miss doing business with them. I've kept my word, and haven't been back to this day.

What I'm wondering is why the guy didn't talk to me directly about it.

Aran
06-30-2008, 04:51
Because you were the guy with the gun. She was the woman without a gun. Women seem more sensible and approachable than a guy with a gun.

That's my experience with similar situations, not misogyny talking.

RussP
06-30-2008, 14:31
Folks, as asked before, don't use this thread to debate open vs. concealed.

rvrctyrngr
07-01-2008, 06:04
Enjoy your dinner tonite, Warp!!!
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Warp
07-01-2008, 06:31
Enjoy your dinner tonite, Warp!!!
:thumbsup:

Not happening tonight.

I work tonight. And tomorrow night. Maybe on Thur night.

Warp
07-01-2008, 20:43
Enjoy your dinner tonite, Warp!!!
:thumbsup:

Change of plans, we DID go out tonight. And I carried openly to the restaraunt, as well as several other places.

We went up to the On The Border in Buford near the Mall of Georgia. Nothing else to report. :supergrin:

mnglocker
07-01-2008, 21:02
Today I had an event while OC'n, I went about my errands as usual for the day; picked up my dodge from the shop, stopped at my favorite gun shop on the way back, went to the range to try out the New Vaquero, and finally stopped at the grocery store on the way home to get some postage. While at the grocery store I remembered a few things on my list that I needed so I grabbed a basket as soon as I was done paying for my stamps at the customer service counter. I went about my shopping as usual, no screams or gun grabs, just the same as it always goes.... boring. I get in line to ring out, and the store is just packed and the line is backed up with about a dozen people behind me, again, no one screamed or said boo. I paid for my goods and left, then it happened; on the way out to my car one of the clerks came running out after me screaming "Sir, Sir!" to which I replied "Yes?" and the clerk said "Are these your paper plates and chicken?" I said "nope, but thanks for asking". That's it. :dunno:

garebel
07-02-2008, 17:01
Change of plans, we DID go out tonight. And I carried openly to the restaraunt, as well as several other places.

We went up to the On The Border in Buford near the Mall of Georgia. Nothing else to report. :supergrin:

CooL!

Right around the corner from me.
I might go to the Red Lobster oc this weekend :cool:

grishnav
07-02-2008, 17:06
CooL!

Right around the corner from me.
I might go to the Red Lobster oc this weekend :cool:

Most Red Lobsters are on the OCDO do not patronize list because they are owned by a parent corp with an anti-firearm policy. Check to make sure that your local RL isn't owned by them, because even if you've OCd there before without trouble, you're probably doing it against policy... That, and, do you really wanna support an anti-firearms business (even if it's the parent company indirectly through RL)?

garebel
07-02-2008, 17:58
Most Red Lobsters are on the OCDO do not patronize list because they are owned by a parent corp with an anti-firearm policy. Check to make sure that your local RL isn't owned by them, because even if you've OCd there before without trouble, you're probably doing it against policy... That, and, do you really wanna support an anti-firearms business (even if it's the parent company indirectly through RL)?

Thanks for the heads up. I've never oc'd there.....never oc'd anywhere actually, but figured I might give it a whirl occasionally now.

The entertainment/finance committee (wife and daughter :supergrin:) usually plan and inform me of where we eat, but we will not support a company that is actively anti gun.....I'm proud to say that said entertainment/finance committee supports me 100% on this. Wife is pissed about the crab cakes though.

Hmmm.....fajitas sound pretty good :cool:

rvrctyrngr
07-02-2008, 18:05
Most Red Lobsters are on the OCDO do not patronize list because they are owned by a parent corp with an anti-firearm policy. Check to make sure that your local RL isn't owned by them, because even if you've OCd there before without trouble, you're probably doing it against policy... That, and, do you really wanna support an anti-firearms business (even if it's the parent company indirectly through RL)?

Is their list published anywhere? I couldn't find it on the website.

grishnav
07-02-2008, 18:10
Is their list published anywhere? I couldn't find it on the website.

At the moment, several of the OCDO forums maintain a thread with the list. Washington is the best one for my area.

There isn't a central database yet. Once day, I'll work on coding one up, unless somebody beats me too it. :tongueout:

kelsitone
07-02-2008, 22:18
I opened carried to a local store today. Three different people stopped me to ask about my gun and open and concealed carry laws. :thumbsup:

As I left the store, a local LEO was sitting in the parking lot. He looked at me, and proceeded to do nothing. :supergrin:

G2145
07-03-2008, 23:55
I would have walked by them, maintain eye contact, and nod toward them saying, "Y'all doing okay?"

Don't stop, keep moving unless they comment.

Not making eye contact did you in. If I see someone enter a store, they notice me but avoid eye contact, they have my attention.

Good post!
Have to agree with RussP. More people have been stopped for one reason or another ("failure to violate", etc) after generating an elevated level of interest from a LEO. Some generate that interest simply because they are obviously intent on examining some non-existant object of interest in the clear blue sky, instead of noticing an officer walking/driving past them.
On the other hand, more folks who are obviously carrying (CC, OC, you can always tell) get a friendly return nod by being obviously (not faking it) relaxed and normal than even they know about. Frankly, most LE's with any experience, and a normal level of self-confidence, can quickly ID and appreciate the honest citizen packing. Just my 2cw.

Aran
07-04-2008, 03:24
I just mostly-open carried at WalMart a little while ago (Mostly as in I had my shirt over the grip, but not over most of the holster) and didn't get a second look, as they were all hopping around doing restocking.

Note to self: OC at 4am from now on instead of broad daylight, to draw less attention. Sigh.

Fallguy173
07-04-2008, 09:57
:rofl:

I might have to take that bit of advice...

Nitro66DS
07-04-2008, 13:54
I OC'd to the town's 4th parade earlier today and didn't have any direct problems. There were 100s of people around and nobody said anything about the firearm. However, a CSO kept watch from across the street and two pairs of uniformed alternately stayed behind me off my weakside for about an hr. It wasn't until my kids noticed me and came by to chat (they are with their mom most of the time) that all the officers got bored and left for good.

After the parade, I rode my mountain bike (what I took to the parade from the apartment) over to a pizza place for a slice and another uniformed officer pulled up and parked right by where my bike was just after I got in. I sat down just to the side of the window and figured if he wanted to talk to me, he'd let me know. I got my slice, smiled at him through the window and sat down to eat. He left a few minutes later without even getting out of his car. I couldn't quite see the guy's face through all the glass but I think it was an officer I know. However, I didn't want to just barge out there without him initiating in this case. If he didn't recognize me and I approached him in a disadvantage position (in his car) it may not have gone too well...

All in all this wasn't the most comfortable experience and I think it would have been better if I had a friend or my g/f with me. I think I'm done with OC for the day but I'm going camping tomorrow with my g/f and we both should be OCing out there.

Malkuth
07-04-2008, 20:39
I wish I had the confidence you guys do. But I don't. Maine has Open Carry as far as I know. And you know Poor Boyscouts incendent in Portland Maine. I just don't want to go through that. I don't go to portland or live near it, but still!

Just have no confidence. I'm sorry. I carry concealed. Sometimes its not great and prints, but oh well.

Nitro66DS
07-04-2008, 21:01
I wish I had the confidence you guys do. But I don't. Maine has Open Carry as far as I know. And you know Poor squirls incendent in Portland Maine. I just don't want to go through that. I don't go to portland or live near it, but still!

Just have no confidence. I'm sorry. I carry concealed. Sometimes its not great and prints, but oh well.

I think I'm going to be really choosey on when I do it, atleast around here. After thinking about it some more I really appreciate that the officers just stood off and observed instead of jacking me up as a way to "check me out" like I've read in other posts. However, because they had to check me out because somebody must have called me in to dispatch, it tied up resources that are better used with real problems in the world. I don't want them to have to take time out of their busy day to worry about me.

Open carrying to go eat a slice of pizza in somebody else's restaurant gives me no advantage and might tie up a public safety resource for no good reason. Open carrying at a public event when there are officers already assigned and it is important to exercise this right is something to consider, though. Pick your battles, I guess.

I'm open <sic> to thoughts or comments on this. Fire away.

Kevin108
07-04-2008, 21:06
No OC this weekend but I was with the VCDL at their picnic featured on Nightline. I support open carry, I'm just not yet a frequent practitioner.

Lone_Wolfe
07-04-2008, 23:52
For me, open carry is the norm. But for today I decided to strap on a western rig and drop a S&W 19 in the holster for National open carry day. I'm used to barely anyone even noticing my P99, but today was different. I went to the soap-box derby races, the Bisbee Parade, the miner's contests, Golden Corral, then the Sierra Vista fireworks. (They were awesome foreworks, BTW)

First up I got out of my car and was walking to Main Street in Bisbee and a boy aroung 12 noticed and seemed a bit awkward. He was selling bottled water so I bought one and went on my way. Got up on Main and had to walk right past a cop to get to a good spot to watch the race. He looked cautiously at me so as I went by I nodded and asked how he was doing. He relaxed and we chatted a bit about the races until another cop came up to him. Those 2 yakked for a bit and left without a word or look at me.

I watched the races until they were done, then walked around town waiting for traffic to thin out. As I was walking past one shop a lady, man, and boy wers standing there. He made a comment about the gun so I stopped and the lady had several questions about carry laws and such that I happily answered.

Then off to the parade. Very uneventful. Stood about 50 feet from a cop directing traffic and he didn't give me a 2nd look. A biy about 6-8 yrs old nearby oohed and ahhed a bit, then his parents offered to trade me a papered Chihuahua for the gun. The fire trucks in the parade hose down the watchers. One of the kids in one of the trucks yelled to a firefighter "Look at her gun!". That firefighter hosed me down exceptionally well while I stood there laughing. Damn, that felt GOOD!

Over to the park to watch the watermelon eating contest, just one comment about my being able to sit anywhere I want to.

Back to Main St. for the Miner's drilling and Mucking contest.
A few more questions about permits and carrying and defense in general. Very nice, positive conversations. One woman came up behind me and told me she loved seeing my gun. I recruited her to join a shooting group I'm in. :thumbsup:
Someone jokingly asked me to use my gun on a malfunctioning record player. When I decided to move from where I'd been sitting to a seat in the shade someone said "Better let her through, she's got a gun!" I smiled and said "Excuse me" to the next person..

Off to Golden Trough, since most eatin' holes in Bisbee closed early today...:steamed: NTR

Over to the ballpark in Sierra Vista to watch the fireworks. I parked about a block from where they ended up being fired from and asked a family in the back of a pickup where the launch point was. They told me and when I didn't feel like walking over there they invited me to climb up in the back of thier truck and watch with them. I happily accepted and the Husband, Wife, and 2 teenage boys watched the show and joked about all the car alarms that the fireworks set off. Not a word or batted eye about the 357 hanging on my side...


Twas a good day.....




And I'm freakin' tired!

Aran
07-04-2008, 23:58
Well, that went poorly.

I open carried at my aunt's house today, just outside Pittsburgh, with her husband's parents and her mother there. My grandmother from New York.

My aunt at one point randomly asked "What do you have on your back?" (As I carry at 7oclock) and I simply responded "The same thing I always have there." and she let it drop.

My grandmother on the other hand, cornered me several times, telling me I was breaking the law, I was causing a scene, people would "talk", (What people?! It was all family! They know they can say whatever they want to me and said nothing!) that I would upset my aunt's in-laws (Her father-in-law joked with me and was more friendly to me this visit than he's been in the 20 years I've known him, while his wife was just as chatty as always, no issues there.) and that it was "wrong" to bring a gun in public, and then went on a "Don't you ever bring that to a mall, they'll have you thrown out and call the police" rant (Well, okay, so she was almost right there...).

I had a good time with my cousin as always though. As he was playing Battlefield: Bad Company I was showing off (after unloading it, of course) my new EAA Witness, and he was practically drooling. Now I have to find a good weekend to invite him out so we can go to the range. He started grinning like an idiot when I brought it up as a suggestion.

Overall, I'd have to say it was a bad day. Nothing quite ruins my mood like my grandmother getting on my case. She told me she'd never help me out with anything anymore, I'd be out of the will, etc. All normal threats for when she gets upset at me (Usually when I do something she wouldn't. Anything, really.) so I don't really take anything she says too seriously, but it would be nice if for ONCE she'd support me in something I believe in, instead of expecting me to be all about HER values.

Also, a great quote, from when I was trying to explain the law in PA to her: "I don't want to talk about it. I know how it is, and it's just not right. There's nothing to talk about, it's not right." And when I left the room a few minutes later she went on to talk to my fiancee about how she heard about people who want to make it legal to open carry in Texas, and that's how she knows it's illegal to open carry anywhere, and she just knows I'm going to end up in jail and she won't be bailing me out. Of course my fiancee just smiles and nods because she isn't well versed in the law enough to argue with anyone, let alone someone who refuses to listen.

Awesome.


Anyhow, sorry for the long rambly post. Better out than in :P

Edit:

Oh, remembered one more thing. I was sitting at their computer, and the younger of my two cousins, a 14 year old girl, said "Is that a real gun?" and before I could say a word, my grandmother cut in with "Of course not, he just likes to play around." and gave me a "You talk and I will kill you." look. (Naturally I corrected her later and told her of course it's a real gun; it'd be dangerous to carry around a toy.)

Beeman
07-05-2008, 01:21
I also got the chance to explaing gun and carry laws to several folks and even recruited one woman into a ladied shooting group I'm in. :thumbsup:

I've also had people question me about the legality of OC. I met a woman in her thirties last year while OCing and took her to the range after going over guns, and gun safety (she'd never even held a gun before). I ran into her at Wal-Mart last spring, and she now has her CHL and carries a .40 Sig P229.

I've got a woman in her mid forties who's going to go shooting with me this Sunday. I met her while OCing. We got into a polite discussion about guns, and the law on carry and ownership. She mentioned she'd never shot a gun before, but that her dad had owned guns while growing up--he'd just never took her to shoot. She also mentioned she'd like to get her CHL once she learned she could legally carry with a license.

I'm always polite while interacting with people while OCing, and I haven't had any negative reactions, been tasered, beaten, etc. Very few people notice, and those who do don't usually say anything. Occasionally though someone will ask if my gun is real, or if it's legal to carry one.

Lone_Wolfe
07-05-2008, 12:06
she now has her CHL and carries a .40 Sig P229.
.............



Ezcellent!!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

haveglocks
07-05-2008, 17:39
I wish I had the confidence you guys do. But I don't. Maine has Open Carry as far as I know. And you know Poor Boyscouts incendent in Portland Maine. I just don't want to go through that. I don't go to portland or live near it, but still!

Just have no confidence. I'm sorry. I carry concealed. Sometimes its not great and prints, but oh well.

A right unexercised is a right lost.

Resqu2
07-05-2008, 19:53
I wish I had the confidence you guys do. But I don't. Maine has Open Carry as far as I know. And you know Poor Boyscouts incendent in Portland Maine. I just don't want to go through that. I don't go to portland or live near it, but still!

Just have no confidence. I'm sorry. I carry concealed. Sometimes its not great and prints, but oh well.

Hey, at least you do carry, no need to say sorry to us for no OC'ing. Everyone should carry in the manner that they are most comfortable with.

Resqu2
07-05-2008, 20:19
I have had a good OC weekend, took my Kimber all over the place on Friday, many stores and out to eat, as usual only the wife noticed. Today I had to show my Glock some love so my 27 was with me all day, as usual the only bad remarks was from the wife.

We went to Cracker Barrel tonight and a guy in line behind me ask if anyone ever said anything about my gun and I told him about OC weekend and that he was the first person to notice it or mention it. He said that he wished more would carry like that, said he thought the sight of a gun would keep people honest. Good experience in general.

I will probably go back to mostly CCW for a while to keep the other half happy.

Lone_Wolfe
07-05-2008, 21:37
I kept my
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff10/Lone_Wolfe_/SW19.jpg
in a western holster again today and went to the range, then to Tombstone. Of course I was undergunned in Tombstone since I had only ONE gun and it wasn't 45LC. Then I went to the SV Walfart and a young employee who was helping me find something asked me if it was real. I told him a fake wouldn't do any good. Then I walked over to get some beer. As I passed the chips some hispanic looking guy goes "WHOA! IS THAT REAL?!?!?!" I didn't answer, just kept going. Got my beer, headed to the ammo counter to get ammo and pay for my stuff and headed out.

Aran
07-07-2008, 06:25
I just got an e-mail from my grandmother in regards to the last thing I posted. Apparently my family is very disappointed in me.

But nowhere near as disappointed in them as I am.

Lewsid 13
07-07-2008, 09:21
I just got an e-mail from my grandmother in regards to the last thing I posted. Apparently my family is very disappointed in me.

But nowhere near as disappointed in them as I am. That whole story, and the actions of your grandmother just sounds bizarre. In general, I've noticed that elderely people are more excepting of firearms, coming from a time when there weren't school shootings, there wasn't as much violence ETC. My family isn't partial to guns either way, and nobody in my family has ever acted that way towards me because I carry a gun.

RussP
07-07-2008, 10:58
This happened a couple weeks ago. Needed time to settle down before posting.

This Wal-Mart is one where I usually visit two, three times a month. NEVER have I had a problem regarding my open carrying. I always smile and speak to most every Associate I see. They smile back and nod or say, "Hi/Hey/Hello."

Once in this store I needed help in cosmetics finding a skin lotion for my wife. Two ladies helped me. One, probably in her late fifties, asked if I had a permit. I told her, Yes." She said she did, too, but was having trouble with her daughter getting her permit.

Back to "the experience..."

I went to the pharmacy. Three people were in front of me, and because of #1 in line and her 'issues', soon there were 8 or nine people behind me. The lady immediately behind me commented she wished they'd give the woman causing problems her meds because she certainly needs them... I turned and said, "She'll be okay, the pharmacist is coming over to talk with her. "Well, I'm glad you're here in case she gets wacky."

"Oh, I think the store security can handle it okay," I said.

"You're a policeman and you wouldn't get involved?"

"No Ma'am, I'm not police, just an ordinary citizen like you. Besides, store security is standing right over there, that man and woman."

"Well, if you aren't a cop, why do you have a gun?"

"Well, now if store security wasn't here, and that lady pulled a weapon and started hurting people, would you rather I be in front of you with or without the means to stop her from hurting you?"

"With. Thank you."

The troublemaker calmed done talking with the pharmacist, and the two security people nodded at me and left the area.

Okay, that wasn't the event. I picked up my prescriptions without further excitement.

Then I found the printer cartridge I needed, then went to the grocery section for a few things and paid at an express check-out.

No, no one said a thing about the G21 on my hip.

I walk across the front of the store and pass through the security scanners along with two other customers. After I am through the door, a couple of the "Greeters" come out and ask me to stop. Behind them was one of the store security people.

One Greeter says, "Sir, you set off the scanner. May I check your receipts. I look at the security person. He says hi and walks out the door lighting a cigarette.

The Greeter checks my receipt and says, "Is there anything on here that would trip the alarm?" (Thought that was his job, to know what might trip the alarm.)

Then I remember the printer cartridge, pulled it out and told him to take it back inside and see if it tripped the alarm.

Then it happened: An Associate sitting on a bench taking a break says, "Herman (the Greeter), his gun set off the alarm. Guns do that."

NEVER have I had that happen before!! Someone accused my Glock of setting off a scanner.

I took a moment to explain that the scanner needed a security strip or tag that had not been deactivated to sound the alarm. Herman took the the printer cartridge over and sure enough, the alarm sounded.

I walked back through and no alarm.

It was a good open carry day. Got to educate people about citizens who carry and that Glocks do NOT set off theft-prevention scanners.

Okay, WHAT, you thought someone called in a MWAG and I was arrested? Get over yourself. :rofl::rofl:

rvrctyrngr
07-07-2008, 11:17
No, but I'm sure the ManCard police will be here shortly to discuss the MWSL call they received (Man With Skin Lotion)!

Good story, Russ!

Aran
07-07-2008, 11:42
It puts the lotion on its skin....


I got another e-mail in response to my reply to my grandmother (I won't share what I said, it was... not exactly kind toward my family) basically stating that she didn't write on behalf of anyone, it was just her, and she was concerned. Also, she told me about a dozen times in one paragraph to conceal.

Apparently she WAS the only one bothered. I wish she could just NOT LIE for one day.

grishnav
07-07-2008, 12:03
It puts the lotion on its skin....


I got another e-mail in response to my reply to my grandmother (I won't share what I said, it was... not exactly kind toward my family) basically stating that she didn't write on behalf of anyone, it was just her, and she was concerned. Also, she told me about a dozen times in one paragraph to conceal.

Apparently she WAS the only one bothered. I wish she could just NOT LIE for one day.

Sorry to hear that, man. Read this and try to work with her:

http://bloomfieldpress.com/Hoplophobia%20Analysis.htm

It probably seems like an impossible journey, but I just watched a great episode of 30 minutes where an anti-gun activist/hoplophobe (her fear came from a good friend of hers getting gunned down, and she actually broke down crying the first time she fired one) came around to accept firearms as useful tools, and eventually got over her fear of them. It's not totally impossible.

Good luck.

Nitro66DS
07-07-2008, 20:32
My g/f and I just got back from our camping trip where we OC'd the entire time. We weren't around any other people except for the half day hike we did to some really cool falls in the Three Sisters Wilderness. Lots of folks along the trail and no problems.

I alternated between a Bianchi Black Widow belt slide and Serpa CQC paddle for holsters for my G19. She used a Serpa CQC with the belt attachment for her G26. The paddle setup is kinda cool for the ease with which it can come on and off but having all that plastic closer to my skin wasn't sounding too good with the hot, sweaty hike we did. I used the Bianchi for that, which kept the whole rig outside and worked well, too to keep things out of the way with a day pack on as well.

garebel
07-07-2008, 21:10
Sorry to hear that, man. Read this and try to work with her:

http://bloomfieldpress.com/Hoplophobia%20Analysis.htm

It probably seems like an impossible journey, but I just watched a great episode of 30 minutes where an anti-gun activist/hoplophobe (her fear came from a good friend of hers getting gunned down, and she actually broke down crying the first time she fired one) came around to accept firearms as useful tools, and eventually got over her fear of them. It's not totally impossible.

Good luck.

Nice article.
Big +1 on taking an anti-gunner shooting with you if you can swing it.

That actually worked for me with my neighbor quite well.
An afternoon with a .22 is cheap and a lot of fun, once they get past the first couple of shots. :cool:

Hey Aran,
Would that be a possible option for you and your grandmother as a "day out together"?

P.s. It puts the lotion in the basket........

Aran
07-07-2008, 23:31
Nice article.
Big +1 on taking an anti-gunner shooting with you if you can swing it.

That actually worked for me with my neighbor quite well.
An afternoon with a .22 is cheap and a lot of fun, once they get past the first couple of shots. :cool:

Hey Aran,
Would that be a possible option for you and your grandmother as a "day out together"?

P.s. It puts the lotion in the basket........

I told her next time she comes down here (Which she's only done twice in the last two years I've been here, so I doubt it'll be again before I move out next year) I'm dragging her to the range whether she likes it or not, and sticking my 10/22 in her hands and not letting her leave until she likes it. :D (She thought it was funnier than it should have been)

Then she went on a ramble about how her sister was the one who went shooting with her dad all the time, not her, etc. (Which means I need to lure her sister here from Ohio sometime. I get along with her better anyhow- she's not so tightly wound)

Anyhow, today I OC'd around town on my motorcycle, stopped in to Giant Eagle for a few things, no funny looks, no comments, nothing. Hooray. (Might have helped that it was before 8am though. Although my hair didn't get brushed this morning, and the ride couldn't have helped it... Oh well)

Oxblood
07-08-2008, 18:52
Hey guys new around here, like the place alot. Had my first open carry experience today. Been thinking about it while I wait for my concealed class but never worked up the nerve. I thought I had a problem with my G20 so I took it to a gunsmith to check her out. I opened carried there as kind of an ice breaker, packing heat into a gun store? No biggie. From there it was off to the auto parts store for my real test as I didn't want to leave my gun in the car. Napa was my first stop I don't even think they noticed, but they didn't have my part either. Second stop was Advance auto parts walk in holding what I need and the guy is staring at my gun. Talk friendly to him and he's off to find the part. Usually this guy is pretty talkative but not today. He looked a little nervous while looking around and in the end I found my own part. Had a friendly chat with another customer while I waited to pay and I was off on my merry way.

All in all not as dramatic as I expected.

--Oxblood

Lone_Wolfe
07-08-2008, 18:55
Hey guys new around here, like the place alot. Had my first open carry experience today. Been thinking about it while I wait for my concealed class but never worked up the nerve. I thought I had a problem with my G20 so I took it to a gunsmith to check her out. I opened carried there as kind of an ice breaker, packing heat into a gun store? No biggie. From there it was off to the auto parts store for my real test as I didn't want to leave my gun in the car. Napa was my first stop I don't even think they noticed, but they didn't have my part either. Second stop was Advance auto parts walk in holding what I need and the guy is staring at my gun. Talk friendly to him and he's off to find the part. Usually this guy is pretty talkative but not today. He looked a little nervous while looking around and in the end I found my own part. Had a friendly chat with another customer while I waited to pay and I was off on my merry way.

All in all not as dramatic as I expected.

--Oxblood

Good job Oxblood. And Welcome! :wavey:

RussP
07-08-2008, 19:41
Hey guys new around here, like the place alot. Had my first open carry experience today. Been thinking about it while I wait for my concealed class but never worked up the nerve. I thought I had a problem with my G20 so I took it to a gunsmith to check her out. I opened carried there as kind of an ice breaker, packing heat into a gun store? No biggie. From there it was off to the auto parts store for my real test as I didn't want to leave my gun in the car. Napa was my first stop I don't even think they noticed, but they didn't have my part either. Second stop was Advance auto parts walk in holding what I need and the guy is staring at my gun. Talk friendly to him and he's off to find the part. Usually this guy is pretty talkative but not today. He looked a little nervous while looking around and in the end I found my own part. Had a friendly chat with another customer while I waited to pay and I was off on my merry way.

All in all not as dramatic as I expected.

--OxbloodWelcome, Oxblood!

Thanks for sharing.


:cool:

Prometheus77
07-09-2008, 11:39
Couple days late chiming in but...

I OC'ed all weekend the 4th, 5th and 6th, I also OC'ed on the 3rd once I got off work as well... I figured 3.5 days is better than 3 ;)

2 town fireworks shows, a parade, several big box stores, fast food joints, grocery stores even cabelas. Great weekend!

Not a single negative encounter and I was certain I was going to get questioned at the parade (dozens of LEOs from both city, county and state on hand), but not a peep or more than a casual glance from any of them.

Aside from myself and my wife and a friend, I didn't see anyone else OC'ing (besides the LEOs obviously).

I did get several compliments on my XD and about OC'ing at the parade.

Fallguy173
07-10-2008, 18:39
I had my first OC experiance today. I went into town to get a few things done for my mom, as she is not home. I went and picked up her car and took it to U-Haul, to get some trailer wiring instaled. I was there about 30 minutes, in the small front room, and nobody said a thing. I even struck up a good conversation with the cute lady working at the counter. Job complete there.

Next, it's off to Wal-Mart to have a word with the mechanics. The Check engine light has been on since they changed the oil in her car. They solved the ploblem, and I went inside to shop. Picked up a car seat cover, and walked all the way to the other side of the store to get some fruit. All the way back to get the car, and nothing said.

Next it is off to the Harley-Davidson sattelite store to inquire why they did not stock certain bike fluids. The ladies at the counter did not know the answer, but knew that was a known issue in the store, and they were going to have it fixed soon. More pleasant conversation.

One last stop before heading home. To the small local grocery store to get fixins' for dinner. It takes a couple of minutes to get everyting for spaghetti in a crowded store. Nothing said there either, and many of the people in the store were tourists.

All-in-all, I spent about 5 hours out dealing with the public (most of my comute was on my motorcycle), without an issue. I actually felt half comfortable by the end of it all.

geofri
07-10-2008, 22:22
Today was my first day to carry, and I OC'ed.

Went fishing with a friend, and his little brother.

It was just really nice...
I didn't feel powerful or macho, I just felt calmly prepared.

My gun just fit in well. I mean, why wouldn't anyone have a gun on their hip, while out fishing?

My friend's brother(15 year old) didn't even see my gun during the 30 min hike to the fishing spot.
When he finally did, he just casually asked "geo, that your new gun?"

He comes from a pretty strong Anti-gun household, so I was afraid I was going to get a "holy crap! why do you have a gun?"
But it looks like he can reason for himself, and saw it as it really was.

A couple hours into it, I could hear a group of rowdy teenage boys coming our way.

They popped into the clearing at the other side of the cove(maybe 40 yds. away) I heard them talking, and it sounded like they came back to do some cliff jumping. (there was a small "cliff" about 8-10' above the water level)

My first thought was to turn my strong side away, to keep them from catching a glimpse of my glock.
after thinking for a second, it felt like it was against the "OC spirit" after all, i was just fishing, and abiding the law! so i just went back to fishing, while keeping an eye so watch for any reactions they might have.

I would have called out a "hello" but they were acting a little bit sneaky, and were kinda muttering between eachother.

They noticed my sidearm(I'm pretty sure), hung around a bit and chatted and then just walked back.


It was getting pretty dark, so we started back.

By the time we got to the head of the lake, it was totally dark, but the moon was pretty bright once we got out of the woods.

Ran into two other teenage boys, at the start of the trail that led back to back to our cars.
They were oblivious to my Glock.
On the way back, we chatted about the fish, where they were from etc. they then mentioned that some boys had come over and were kinda bothering them, by throwing rocks into the lake right next to them.
Turns out, it was the same group I had seen earlier. sounds like they figured they'd leave us alone, and go bother someone else. Whether it had to do with my gun or not I don't know.


But,

I wasnt shunned, harassed, or arrested!
It might be a while before I try to OC in "public", but I will lookforward to it for sure!


Andy

kelsitone
07-10-2008, 22:36
Fallguy173 and geofri, congratulations on your first OC experience. :thumbsup:

Thanks for sharing, and no doubt helping others who are thinking about OCing in the future. :wavey:

Andrew Rothman
07-11-2008, 11:59
As Andrew Rothman has said before, you could paint a Sherman tank red and slap a Honda sticker on it, drive it through the farmers market and nobody would even notice.

Well, sure, but I was quoting grayskys. Seems to be true. More open carry stories to follow after I catch up on my reading here.

Resqu2
07-11-2008, 21:49
So I stopped by the gas station/truck stop to pick up a few things and noticed 4 police cars at the door but I needed my Dr Pepper and candy bar so I parked and went on in anyways. 4 cops were there investigating a gas drive off, the first cop came from behind the counter and nearly bumped into me as he was going out side, he noticed my Glock but only nodded as he passed.

The next one was coming from behind the counter while I was still in line to pay he also just walked right by me, not even a second look. Got my items and as I was leaving I had to walk past 2 more cops that were in the parking lot talking, both looked my way by neither gave me a second look, got to admit I was just a little nervous but I shouldn't of been.

My next stop was at my bank to make a with drawl, it was a large amount so I went inside. One lady gave me a long stare while I was waiting on someone to help me but she said nothing. A different lady finally came to her register and started helping me, she noticed my gun but said nothing about it. I chatted with her about the bank just up the road just getting robbed (my other bank) and we both agreed that the world was going to hell in a hand bag. She gave me my money and I left.

As I was leaving I noticed a sign at foot level, it was a big picture of a gun with a line through it and the wording NO FIREARMS ALLOWED. I have OC'ed there before and so far I haven't been asked to leave, funny how that sign didn't keep that bank from being robbed a few years back, maybe if they would of put the sign at eye level the criminal that robbed it would of picked a different target seeing the sign and all.

All in all it was another good OC day in the great state of VA :wavey:

mnglocker
07-13-2008, 16:08
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1189/dscn0057pt4.jpg

The Minnesota Gun Rights Gathering @ Lake Harriet in Minnapolis. 7/13/08 Yes, OC in a VERY crowded inner city park.

unkle fester
07-14-2008, 14:03
noobie to this forum and Glocks....but.....I got a G19 a couple weeks ago and after lurking here....I decided to OC in a Blackhawk Serpa holster ...made a trip to BJ's..(a poor man's Sam's Club), Auto-Zone, Wal-Mart, Burger King, and the grocery store.......nobody said a word...a couple people glanced at it, but no big deal....walked past a group of district manager looking types in Wal-Mart....one guy glanced at it then kept talking with the others....I went to the bank, but locked it in the truck, but still had the holster on.....the teller behind the counter noticed as I walked in that I had an empty holster on, but nothing was said.....Illegal in NC to carry a weapon into a bank)...all in all....pretty uneventful....just the way I like it.................peace & grease..

Resqu2
07-14-2008, 14:09
noobie to this forum and Glocks....but.....I got a G19 a couple weeks ago and after lurking here....I decided to OC in a Blackhawk Serpa holster ...made a trip to BJ's..(a poor man's Sam's Club), Auto-Zone, Wal-Mart, Burger King, and the grocery store.......nobody said a word...a couple people glanced at it, but no big deal....walked past a group of district manager looking types in Wal-Mart....one guy glanced at it then kept talking with the others....I went to the bank, but locked it in the truck, but still had the holster on.....the teller behind the counter noticed as I walked in that I had an empty holster on, but nothing was said.....Illegal in NC to carry a weapon into a bank)...all in all....pretty uneventful....just the way I like it.................peace & grease..

Welcome to GT and to the world of OC, hang around here, lots to learn and lots of good people on this forum. :wavey:

Ryan759
07-16-2008, 00:45
I wouldn't attempt to open carry any kind of firearm. Its asking for trouble.

mnglocker
07-16-2008, 02:28
I wouldn't attempt to open carry any kind of firearm. Its asking for trouble.


How about reading this thread from page one? Also, pay close attention to the sticky on the first page. Post your stories of day to day OC good and bad in here, not your opinion on the subject.

RussP
07-16-2008, 09:17
noobie to this forum and Glocks....but.....I got a G19 a couple weeks ago and after lurking here....I decided to OC in a Blackhawk Serpa holster ...made a trip to BJ's..(a poor man's Sam's Club), Auto-Zone, Wal-Mart, Burger King, and the grocery store.......nobody said a word...a couple people glanced at it, but no big deal....walked past a group of district manager looking types in Wal-Mart....one guy glanced at it then kept talking with the others....I went to the bank, but locked it in the truck, but still had the holster on.....the teller behind the counter noticed as I walked in that I had an empty holster on, but nothing was said.....Illegal in NC to carry a weapon into a bank)...all in all....pretty uneventful....just the way I like it.................peace & grease..Welcome!!

RussP
07-16-2008, 09:51
I wouldn't attempt to open carry any kind of firearm. Its asking for trouble.How about reading this thread from page one? Also, pay close attention to the sticky on the first page. Post your stories of day to day OC good and bad in here, not your opinion on the subject....****************************************
Lets try this as an Open Carry sticky.

Just post about your open carry experiences, any problems you had, and positive encounters with others. If you want, describe your carry rig, how you dressed, time of day, frequency of carry in that location...any details that will help others decide whether open carry is for them.

Remember, Open Carry is NOT for everyone.

Laws restrict open carrying in certain jurisdictions.

If you disagree with open carry, that's fine, but this thread is NOT for arguing pro/con open carry. Any posts in that vein will be deleted.

If you to debate Open Carry, express your negative views, please we encourage you to start a new thread.

RussP
ModeratorWhen Open Carry does return to Texas, I'll come down and we can go open carry somewhere and then post those experiences here.

Coltman2003
07-16-2008, 10:58
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1189/dscn0057pt4.jpg

The Minnesota Gun Rights Gathering @ Lake Harriet in Minnapolis. 7/13/08 Yes, OC in a VERY crowded inner city park.

Looks like a well attended event!:cool: Anymore information on how it went?

Cheers

:supergrin:

Ryan759
07-17-2008, 13:53
When Open Carry does return to Texas, I'll come down and we can go open carry somewhere and then post those experiences here.

Thanks for giving a fellow Texan a break. :)

Oxblood
07-18-2008, 09:11
Illegal in NC to carry a weapon into a bank

Only illegal to carry concealed in a bank in NC you can carry open. I can't find the reference now that I'm looking for it but heres a post from opencarry.org in our state about bank open carry.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum41/9414.html

--Oxblood

jjglock
07-20-2008, 08:07
Sorry Russ,
I do get the bigger picture and it is screwed up to put it bluntly, these 18 year olds can sign up for war and use weapons us civies can only dream about, once out they can't even celebrate with a beer and can't even go and buy a handgun till there 21 and now Wally won't even let them sell ammo :faint: Where will it end???

The law is like that becase not a lot of young people vote. Political would be introducing all kinds of bills the favors younger people if these younger people goest to the poll. Thats the fact.

akgunnut
07-21-2008, 15:05
I had a negative OC experience at Wal-Mart here in Anchorage Alaska this morning.

I seemed to have lost my other folding blade, so I decided to go to Wally World to buy a new one, all while OCing of course. I go inside and make my way to the sporting goods. So far nobody said a thing about the G17 in plain view on my right hip. I get to the sporting goods and there's a few employees behind the counter. I ask one of them if I could look at a Gerber they had on display, and he looked down at my spare mags and asked me...

"Why do you have two?"
"What, mags.... just in case"

Then he turns and asks the manager on duty there if I was allowed to carry a gun in the store like that. He looks at me and my pistol, and the conversation goe something like this...

Manager "That has to be concealed."
Me "Open carry is legal in Alaska."
Manager "I know that, but there are certain restrictions in the building, and you cannot have that gun like that."
Me "Open carry is legal in Alaska."
Manager "Well regardless you can't carry like that in here."
Me "I've done so several times here and nobody up to this point has said anything to me about it."


I proceed to quickly purchase the knife, and get out of there before there is anymore trouble with them. Then the manager has the nerve to follow me and I stop and look at him, and he looks at me.

Me "Why are you following me?"
Manager "Because you cannot have gun in store like that."
Me "Oh so now you're following me like I'm a criminal."

Nothing more is said, and I quickly leave. Once I walked outside I looked back to see if anyone was following me still, and there wasn't. I got in my car and left.

I've OCd there several times and never had any problems, but today was apparently different, so I won't be shopping there again.

mnglocker
07-21-2008, 15:18
I had a negative OC experience at Wal-Mart here in Anchorage Alaska this morning.

I seemed to have lost my other folding blade, so I decided to go to Wally World to buy a new one, all while OCing of course. I go inside and make my way to the sporting goods. So far nobody said a thing about the G17 in plain view on my right hip. I get to the sporting goods and there's a few employees behind the counter. I ask one of them if I could look at a Gerber they had on display, and he looked down at my spare mags and asked me...

"Why do you have two?"
"What, mags.... just in case"

Then he turns and asks the manager on duty there if I was allowed to carry a gun in the store like that. He looks at me and my pistol, and the conversation goe something like this...

Manager "That has to be concealed."
Me "Open carry is legal in Alaska."
Manager "I know that, but there are certain restrictions in the building, and you cannot have that gun like that."
Me "Open carry is legal in Alaska."
Manager "Well regardless you can't carry like that in here."
Me "I've done so several times here and nobody up to this point has said anything to me about it."

They just did, so respect the wishes of private property owners/managment.
Always be overly polite and courtious when OC'ing. You're representing all gun owners when you do so.



I proceed to quickly purchase the knife, and get out of there before there is anymore trouble with them. Then the manager has the nerve to follow me and I stop and look at him, and he looks at me.

Me "Why are you following me?"
Manager "Because you cannot have gun in store like that."
Me "Oh so now you're following me like I'm a criminal."

At this point you were basically treaspassing, so yes he was following you like a criminal.

Nothing more is said, and I quickly leave. Once I walked outside I looked back to see if anyone was following me still, and there wasn't. I got in my car and left.

I've OCd there several times and never had any problems, but today was apparently different, so I won't be shopping there again.

Write a letter to the manager expressing your displeasure at your treatment during your most recent shopping experience at W*M. Post it here in Carry Issues and there are plenty here who will go over it and help you write a very good letter, that will hopefully have positive results for both parties.


Let me reiderate this; always be overly polite and courtious when OC'ing. You're representing all gun owners when you do so.

mnglocker
07-21-2008, 15:24
Looks like a well attended event!:cool: Anymore information on how it went?

Cheers

:supergrin:


It went well, we had about 50 in attendence with our group not including the children, only a few looks from the other 2000+ people in the park, they we greeted with a "hello" and if they asked, they were given a polite answer, a business card for some different carry classes in the area and an offer of flame cooked animal flesh/potato salad & water mellon. :cool: No visits from the fuzz pertaining to us even though we sent them an open inventation. I did get one supprised look from a park police officer though when returning from my Jeep while wearing my New Vaquero in my fancy leather. ( I think he was jealous :whistling: )

GreenDrake
07-21-2008, 15:25
I wouldn't attempt to open carry any kind of firearm. Its asking for trouble.


In Texas, you're right.

mnglocker
07-21-2008, 15:26
In Texas, you're right.

Private Property my friend. :cool: It's all game to OC while mowing the lawn. :supergrin:

akgunnut
07-21-2008, 15:35
Write a letter to the manager expressing your displeasure at your treatment during your most recent shopping experience at W*M. Post it here in Carry Issues and there are plenty here who will go over it and help you write a very good letter, that will hopefully have positive results for both parties.


Let me reiderate this; always be overly polite and courtious when OC'ing. You're representing all gun owners when you do so.

I was as polite as I could be towards the manager, and didn't try to contest his request for me to leave. I didn't want further confrontation, so I made my purchase and left. I simply told him what I was doing was entirely legal, and that I had a right to do so. He has every right to tell me to leave, and I did. Fortunately Wal-Mart is not a place I go to often, so it's no big deal.

GreenDrake
07-21-2008, 15:37
I was as polite as I could be towards the manager, and didn't try to contest his request for me to leave. I didn't want further confrontation, so I made my purchase and left. I simply told him what I was doing was entirely legal, and that I had a right to do so. He has every right to tell me to leave, and I did. Fortunately Wal-Mart is not a place I go to often, so it's no big deal.

Wal Mart corporate policy is to follow state law, they cannot make up their own laws. Does your state have preemtion?

akgunnut
07-21-2008, 15:44
Wal Mart corporate policy is to follow state law, they cannot make up their own laws. Does your state have preemtion?

Yes Alaska does have preemption.

dougader
07-21-2008, 15:46
I was as polite as I could be towards the manager, and didn't try to contest his request for me to leave. I didn't want further confrontation, so I made my purchase and left. I simply told him what I was doing was entirely legal, and that I had a right to do so. He has every right to tell me to leave, and I did. Fortunately Wal-Mart is not a place I go to often, so it's no big deal.

If it were me, I would have handed the knife to the manager and said (politely), "Well, I don't go where I'm not wanted, and I sure as heck won't buy anything from any establishment that treats me this way."

mnglocker
07-21-2008, 16:06
If it were me, I would have handed the knife to the manager and said (politely), "Well, I don't go where I'm not wanted, and I sure as heck won't buy anything from any establishment that treats me this way."


Bingo. +1 :cool:


And for GreenDranke and akgunnut, state preemtion has nothing to do with private property rights.

Warp
07-21-2008, 16:29
If it were me, I would have handed the knife to the manager and said (politely), "Well, I don't go where I'm not wanted, and I sure as heck won't buy anything from any establishment that treats me this way."

That is a very reasonable and proper reaction.


Getting the name of the manager and going over his head (since what he did is not what Walmart wants) is another one.

Or both, even, so others can hopefully avoid having the same problem even if you do not return.

GreenDrake
07-21-2008, 16:32
Bingo. +1 :cool:


And for GreenDranke and akgunnut, state preemtion has nothing to do with private property rights.

Yes it does when their Corporate policy is to abide by local and state laws. WalMart cannot overstep their corporate policies ad-hoc. They broke their own rules and their manager should understand that he did so.

mnglocker
07-21-2008, 18:46
Yes it does when their Corporate policy is to abide by local and state laws. WalMart cannot overstep their corporate policies ad-hoc. They broke their own rules and their manager should understand that he did so.

Your right to carry open or concealed doesn't apply to other peoples private property. If W*M or their ammo counter manager says "hey, please cover that up" they are not breaking any laws. Wal*Mart is not public property, nor is it yours to strut about as if you own the place. The W*M dept. manager may not have been abiding corperate policy, but he isn't breaking any laws. Warp mentioned getting his name and going over his head, that would be the proper way to go about it.

Warp
07-21-2008, 18:50
Your right to carry open or concealed doesn't apply to other peoples private property. If W*M or their ammo counter manager says "hey, please cover that up" they are not breaking any laws. Wal*Mart is not public property, nor is it yours to strut about as if you own the place. The W*M dept. manager may not have been abiding corperate policy, but he isn't breaking any laws. Warp mentioned getting his name and going over his head, that would be the proper way to go about it.


Yes..

Leave when asked, but get the name and go over his/her head. Seems to work every time (havn't had to do it myself).

akgunnut
07-21-2008, 19:02
I left because I didn't want to deal with anymore managers, or security, or even the local PD. If I refused to leave it would be criminal trespass, and I may lose my CCW license. Wal-Mart is not high on my list of places to shop, so like I said, its no big deal. I emailed their corporate office, letting them know my experience with that particular store. Whether I will receive a reply or not is yet to be known, so we'll see.

mnglocker
07-21-2008, 19:03
I left because I didn't want to deal with anymore managers, or security, or even the local PD. If I refused to leave it would be criminal trespass, and I may lose my CCW license. Wal-Mart is not high on my list of places to shop, so like I said, its no big deal. I emailed their corporate office, letting them know my experience with that particular store. Whether I will receive a reply or not is yet to be known, so we'll see.


+1 :cool:

akgunnut
07-23-2008, 14:39
I just received a call from the store manager of the Wal-Mart store I was escorted out of. He apologized for the way I was treated, and told me that he is a strong advocate of the 2nd Amendment and NRA member. He informed me that managers and associates are not supposed to say anything unless there is a customer complaint, in this case there was not. He confirmed that there was no policy against customers carrying guns in the store, only employees. I thanked him for getting back to me on this matter, and that was the end of that.

rvrctyrngr
07-23-2008, 15:02
Excellent. :thumbsup:

TheEggman
07-23-2008, 15:21
... He informed me that managers and associates are not supposed to say anything unless there is a customer complaint ...

First, good for you! A few 'managers' and associates will probably get a bit of education because of your efforts. In doing so, you have made life a bit easier for all. Thank You!

Now, a comment regarding customer complaints.

What if someone wearing a motorcycle club jacket, or a man with a lot of frightening tattoos made another customer feel so intimidated or scared that they voiced their concern to a manager or associate?

Would the manager ask the 'offender' to 'cover up' the offending item?

Why is the complaining customer's business more important or profitable than anyone elses?

grishnav
07-29-2008, 15:23
Started about 7 PM. Dug out the old 21 speed mountain bike, threw some lights, a kickstand, and a new bike lock on it to make it a bit more appropriate for the road, and headed out.

Road all around Gresham. Nobody noticed, nobody cared.

Was heading down Division at about 25mph and bit it pretty hard (and, oh yeah, couldn't remember where any of my safety gear was, of course). Was impressed that the only thing that went flying was my bluetooth earpiece. The holsters kept everything right where the belonged, and protected. Although I am pretty scratched and beat up.

Headed to the burger king at Division and Eastman to get a soda and clean up. Nobody noticed, nobody cared. One person asked if I was alright. Told him yup, just started riding again for the first time in a while and bit it.

Went out, road around some more. Stopped at the round table for dinner. Was there for maybe an hour. Got up to refill a drink. A young kid (maybe 8-10) approached me and said that he and his dad were wondering if the gun was real. I told him it sure was. He said "thanks" and went back to report to his dad. Couldn't hear exactly what was said, but I got the impression from the body language that it was kinda an "That's cool/will take you out to the range someday when you're older" kind of talk. Heard mention of the word safe or safety. Maybe he's going to teach the kids gun safety? I thought about approaching them and offering to take them shooting, but I figured it would be too odd, so I just returned to my table and finished up.

Friend I was with went to the bathroom, told me he heard the guy from the table mention something about a gun to the female assistant manager.

Walked outside and the manager and one employee were smoking. Male asked me if it was real. Yup. I kinda asked him if anyone mentioned anything to them, said I didn't want to cause them any problems. They said nope. He asked me if I had a permit. Told him I did. He said he was thinking about getting one, but he has to turn 21 first. Score! Whole time, the female looked scared s***less. I started talking about the laws, and told him he could carry when he turned 18 (turned out he was 17), he just had to be careful about banned cities, public buildings, concealing by accident, and the like. Female started to relax. He mentions that he has a .38. She tries to cover for him. I just say, "Hey, I don't care. I'm not a cop and I support firearm ownership. As long as he's responsible with it, doesn't bother me in the slightest that the government doesn't think he's old enough. He can drive, after all, can't he?"

Then she mentioned that she'd like to own a firearm too, but her mental history (several involuntary commits) would prevent her... :wow: Alllll...righty then. Back to the guy, talk a bit more about what he can and can't do until he gets his permit, and what changes once he has it. Bid them their goodbyes (she's totally comfortable with me by now) and head back to the bike.

Out and about for a few more hours. No other notices or mentions.

All in all, a great ride. I feel like someone beat the crap out of me, (mostly) in a good way, and apparently quite a few people got to see a responsible non-police officer with a firearm, and might have even been encouraged/educated by it. Good night for OC in the City of Gresham.

Beware Owner
07-29-2008, 21:06
Out of everywhere I've been, only one store had a security guard walk up to me, which we only ended up talking guns, of course. Another had a security guard stand by me and escort me out, with this one we only talked holsters. Next time I went in he just greeted me and kept about his way. For the most part, people either don't say a thing, start joking about how dumb criminals are, they get a crash course on pertinent state carry and defense laws, or talk about how smart it is to carry wherever you go so criminals can look another way.

Lone_Wolfe
07-29-2008, 21:28
Started about 7 PM.............

Great story! (except for the faceplant) Hope you heal up quick!

theghostrider
07-29-2008, 21:52
I know this has been posted in other threads here on GT, but thought I'd post it here anyway.

There was an OC rally in a small berg in Michigan last Thursday. I'll just post the link to OCDO since it has linked a few news stories along with video.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13908.html

There were probably 40-50 people who showed up, and at least half of them were OC'ing. Interesting thing was that the town police Chief had publicly promised to arrest anyone OC'ing in town, yet no such thing happened.

rvrctyrngr
07-30-2008, 05:55
I know this has been posted in other threads here on GT, but thought I'd post it here anyway.

There was an OC rally in a small berg in Michigan last Thursday. I'll just post the link to OCDO since it has linked a few news stories along with video.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13908.html

There were probably 40-50 people who showed up, and at least half of them were OC'ing. Interesting thing was that the town police Chief had publicly promised to arrest anyone OC'ing in town, yet no such thing happened.

Good coverage. What charge was the police chief threatening the OCers with? Obeying the law?:faint:

mnglocker
08-17-2008, 13:15
It's been a while since I've posted in this thread, but I've been OCing everyday for the last 3 months straight, and I haven't been arrested or had my gun grabbed yet... :phew: :rofl:

I went to Target (the bulls eye boutique no less) to purchase some tupperware (appropriate right?) and school supplies. No double looks, stares, yells, screams or the like. I got my merchandise, paid for it and left, no big deal, just another day of OCing in the land of 10,000 lakes. (where OCing is NOT common practice)

I've got a nice story about the grocery store and muni liquor store from last week though, I actually did get looks and questions at both places. I'll post that in a bit. :cool:

Lone_Wolfe
08-17-2008, 20:44
Went to Walmart, Taco Hell, Staples, Fry's Foods today. The only question I was asked today was...............






"Did you see if they have anymore of that Firehouse beer or did you get the last one?"

RussP
08-30-2008, 18:46
Wow, it's been almost two months since my Wal-Mart incident, setting off the door alarms.

Lets see, nothing exciting to report. Just same-o same-o boring open carry.

I've been back to that Wal-Mart three times. Walked all around each time. Mrs RussP went with me to buy groceries and other things. As we checked out, one of the two ladies working that register noticed my Glock and asked, "Why do you carry that?" I asked her if there were any police officers in the store right then. She said not that she knew of. I asked if there were any bad guys in the store. "How would I know?" she answered. "That's why I carry. I won't know until they do something bad. I prefer being prepared."
Mrs RussP asked if she owned firearms. She didn't, but grew up shooting with her dad. She said with two children, 8 and 10, she was afraid to keep guns in the house. Mrs RussP said, "I know how you feel. I was concerned about our grandchildren, but we have each handgun locked in a Life Jacket (she described it to her) and then all guns are in a safe.
The other woman spoke up and said she did have a handgun, a .357 that belonged to her father. She and her 18 yo son goes shooting regularly. She asked Mrs RussP if she had a carry permit. She added she wants her son to get his when he turns 21. She hadn't gotten hers yet, but did have the application.
We finished checking out and both women said they appreciated talking guns and shooting.

No news out of Target, Home Depot or Lowe's. I think a guy in one of our Best Buy stores thinks only police carry firearms. He rang up my purchase and asked, "How many years before they're going to let you retire?" nodding to my pistol. "Oh, I'm already retired." He said, "Bet it is good being off the streets."
I chuckled and said, "Sir, I am just a regular citizen like you - not a cop." His eyes got big and his jaw dropped. "Yep, regular people carry firearms, too. Helps us stay safe." I turned and walked out.

Then there was the Best Buy in Charlottesville where I went with my 11 yo granddaughter. The young lady ringing up our purchase asked her, "Must be good having a policeman in the family." Granddaughter smiled and said, "He's not a policeman, but my dad is a professional firefighter. It's real handy having a fireman around the house."
When we got outside she looks up and said, "That was sooooo much fun."

Local grocery stores, pharmacy, restaurants - nothing exciting.

I have had a few situations where I wore cover: A community meeting at a local church; a new WaWa store where I saw 5 youths walk in as I pulled up. Something about them made my alarms go off. Walked in to the store and they were already leaving. There were two County PD officers inside. I walked up to them and introduced myself, determined we had mutual friends on the force, so then I asked if they'd made the 5 guys leave. One said, "They made that wise decision on their own. They are local gang-banger wannabes. We'll probably get a call on them later."

That's about it for now.

:wavey:

Warp
08-30-2008, 19:25
I havn't posted in this thread for awhile, that I can recall.

I've been carrying openly, nothing to report.

rvrctyrngr
08-30-2008, 20:02
I havn't posted in this thread for awhile, that I can recall.

I've been carrying openly, nothing to report.

Sometimes, no news is good news, Warp. :thumbsup:

Warp
08-30-2008, 20:12
Sometimes, no news is good news, Warp. :thumbsup:

Roger that

DOA33
08-30-2008, 21:01
wow did I miss this thread:faint:

I OC also going to wally world, kroger, and fast food joints. No body gives it a 2nd look.:wavey: the way it should be.

mnglocker
08-30-2008, 22:46
I've got a nice story about the grocery store and muni liquor store from last week though, I actually did get looks and questions at both places. I'll post that in a bit.

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Aran
08-31-2008, 01:08
I haven't really been out a lot since the last time I posted in this thread, aside from about a week in New York, and a few trips around town dressed unsuitably for OC (open button-down shirt over a t-shirt, sort of makes it impossible to OC without looking like a dork.) which left me with the only option of CCing.

I was printing pretty heavily the last time I went out, two days ago, and got a pretty dirty look from a guy about my age when he glanced down and saw it. That's about it.


(Not to make myself sound like a shut in, I don't consider "Leaving the apartment to do things I have to do" to be 'going out', only frivolous trips like to wander the mall, or go for a walk/bike ride, etc. I just haven't been in the mood to really do much outside the apartment lately.)

Warp
08-31-2008, 17:59
I finally have noteworthy news. More open carrying today. One location we visited was La-Z-Boy gallery. The saleswoman that helped out was telling us about the optional protection plan and what it would cover, at the end she added bullet holes...if it was accidental. We just kind of laughed/smiled and kept looking at the couch She then said "is that a gun?". I said "yes" and smiled, and she didn't bring it up again.

Awhile later I was by myself checking out some of the recliners (fiance was making arrangements on the furniture we did purchase), it went like this:

Salesman: Are you a police officer?

Warp: No.

Salesman: So that is just for protection?

Warp: Yes.

Salesman: That's great! I wish more peope would.

Conversation ensues......somewhat lengthy....

Salesman: Do you carry them loaded? (I'm not sure why he said them, he either assumed I had and carried more than one or he was very astute and noticed the slight bulge on my ankle when I reclined in the chair at one poin).

Warp: Of course, that's the only way! :)

Salesman: It sure is!



He also mentioned that one of the female sales associates present in the store the time carries. He did not say anything about himself, and I did not ask.






I also passed through the Mall of Georgia where a couple salespeople gave me very interested looks, but did not do or say anything.

RussP
08-31-2008, 19:37
wow did I miss this thread:faint:

I OC also going to wally world, kroger, and fast food joints. No body gives it a 2nd look.:wavey: the way it should be.Welcome to the thread!! :wavey:

ShelbyGoat
09-02-2008, 09:00
I know I am going to get mixed feeling over this post, but please keep this civil. This is just to let you know my experience, not to debate this. Take it to the lounge or elsewhere to debate this topic.
Today I decided that I wanted to try open carry here in my town. I have been reading alot on the open carry forum (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/) and other gun forums about open carry. Here in NC it is legal, but there is a clause in there that also states something in the effect to causing terror to the public.
I will also add, that I was wearing a pair of brown cargon shorts, Nike running shoes, and a short sleeve collared polo shirt.
First thing this morning I went down to the local gun shop and looked for a Blackhawk Serpa carbon fiber holster for my Glock 23. I figured if I was going to open carry, my larger G23 would be the one. Here is what the holster looks like (for those who don't know):
http://www.packrat-toyz.com/images/Blackhawk/Holsters/410000-9BK_3%20CQC%20Holster%20with%20SERPA.jpg
I was honestly really, really nervous doing this, so as I read I was going to start small. I needed gas, so I stopped at the gas station right off 74 and paid at the pump putting gas in the GTO. Nothing happened, nothing out of the ordinary, no cops rushing up throwing me on the ground. As I walked around and got back in my car, I did notice a woman sitting in the minivan next to me typing on her cell phone. That made me a bit nervous, but no clue if it was related to me carrying.
Got a little more confidence with it! So, then came something a bit more challenging. Burger King.
I chose Burger King for the sole fact that there were not too many people in there, but you also have the staff in there to make it a few more people than the gas station. Went to the counter to order, no one in line, ordered my food and waited for it to be prepared. No odd looks from the lady who took my order, hell, I don’t even think she saw it she was too flustered with something. I went and sat down, ate my breakfast, and walked out the door. Again, no problems, no odd looks, no cops throwing me to the ground.
Next up….Wal-mart! The land of oblivious people (in my opinion).
I parked in the middle of the parking lot, as I always do, away from everyone else. I walk into the supermarket side of the store so I can get some basic things I need. I grab a cart and head on in. So far everything is good. Head to the fruit section, through the isles, and continue on throughout the store. I only spend about 15 minutes or so in the store before I head to the register. I make sure I go to the middle one with a person at it. Only 1 woman in line in front of me, not too many people in the store at this time in general. She rings my products through; I pay, and push the cart towards the door. I then take my bags out of the cart, head to my car with no incident.
So, in conclusion, my first open carry experience was a good one and has inspired me to continue to open carry at certain locations. I anticipate at least one meeting with a police officer, but I expect that to go off without a hitch and remain just in conversation.

Thx-1138
09-02-2008, 10:09
My 17-yr old son wants to open a bank account, so this morning I was shopping from bank to bank to see if I could find one that fit his needs.

Had to OC, as banks are off-limits in NC for concealed carry.

I normally carry my G39 in an M-Tac IWB, with a cover shirt. Today, I was wearing the same, with a polo shirt as my cover. Because I knew I was going to the bank first, I tucked my shirt in, instead of leaving the tail out. Wore a spare mag with mag extension in a Comp-Tac holder on my offside.

My first stop, RBC, got no second glances. Everybody was polite, informative, and pulled the branch manager out of a meeting with his district boss so he could try to sell me on opening an account for myself, instead of just for my son.

Second stop, Fidelity, I stopped short before entering. They have a double-door entry/exit system, with a metal detector. I double-checked to see if they had any posted signs prohibiting firearms (which you have to obey in NC). Couldn't find any, so, with a bit of trepidation and visions of being locked in while cops showed up, I went inside.

Door closed behind me, walked through the metal detector, which went off. Waited at the next door, and was buzzed in by the tellers with hardly a second glance.

I talked with the teller for a few minutes, until I was called over by the branch manager. I greeted her by name (I remembered it from a phone conversation when I got directions to the bank), and we had a friendly chat for 10 minutes or so.

While we were chatting, another customer came in - elderly woman with a massive purse. The metal detector went off on her, too. She, too, was buzzed in by a teller with hardly a second glance.

I gestured to the metal detector, and commented to the branch manager that it must get annoying after a while. She agreed, but said that it made them feel safer.

"Well, as long as it makes you feel safer", I replied. She smiled, and I think missed my slight emphasis and sarcasm. I suppose it was for the better.

Got up, thanked her for her time, and left. First door.... waited for it to close, then the 2nd door unlocked and went out it. Got to my car, realized I'd left my morning beverage in the bank, and had to repeat the door procedure.


People are blind. I OCd into two banks, gun + mag, went through a metal detector twice, and nobody noticed. Sure, it's a subcompact and was IWB. But... Metal Detector??


The more and more I OC (this is my third OC experience), the less and less I worry about CC in general. If people don't see my gun when it's open (sometimes in an OWB holster, though not today), they're sure as heck not going to notice if it prints slightly through my cover garment.

Aran
09-03-2008, 00:30
I finally got started on this huge jar of pennies my grandma handed off to me, of my grandpa's, this morning.

All but maybe 100 of them were wheat pennies, and I had no penny rolls, having just taken care of my change jar, so I took a stack (13 rolls) of rolled pennies to deposit at the bank, and request 25 fresh, empty rolls.

Walked into the bank, Witness on my hip. No funny stares, no scared looks, nobody bothered openly by it.

Deposited my $6.50 (I'M RICH!), got the 25 empty rolls I needed, walked back out, got on my motorcycle, went home.

No problems, aside from spilling a handful of pennies when I got home. Filled every single one of them with wheat pennies, threw them on eBay.

*waits*

solomansousana
09-03-2008, 11:08
Lol Aran, sounds like me. I've been collecting change for 38 years now, and it's doubled because the wife does the same. I finally broke down, mostly because I wanted a new Sig P220 SAO and another Beretta, I had to go rent a small uhaul with electronic lift and a cart because in my garage I had 2 55 gallon plastic drums full of change. This is prob the only time, outside of my military career that I open carried, and the thing is, my credit union has a sign that forbids weapons in the building, but I had called ahead the day before and spoke to the branch manager and received approval to carry due to the amount of change, which, when I FINALLY got it all through the machine I got a receipt for just a shade under $11,900.

I went out to my local dealer and picked up a Beretta 92 Italian made Inox, Glock 17, Sig P220 SAO, and a Nighthawk Dominator, then I hit the local jewelers in the mall and picked up the diamond and platinum ring my wifes been eyeing for a while, and I still have enough to have a field day at the gunshow on the 20th.

rvrctyrngr
09-03-2008, 13:32
That's just awesome! :thumbsup:

Aran
09-03-2008, 15:01
Lol Aran, sounds like me. I've been collecting change for 38 years now, and it's doubled because the wife does the same. I finally broke down, mostly because I wanted a new Sig P220 SAO and another Beretta, I had to go rent a small uhaul with electronic lift and a cart because in my garage I had 2 55 gallon plastic drums full of change. This is prob the only time, outside of my military career that I open carried, and the thing is, my credit union has a sign that forbids weapons in the building, but I had called ahead the day before and spoke to the branch manager and received approval to carry due to the amount of change, which, when I FINALLY got it all through the machine I got a receipt for just a shade under $11,900.

I went out to my local dealer and picked up a Beretta 92 Italian made Inox, Glock 17, Sig P220 SAO, and a Nighthawk Dominator, then I hit the local jewelers in the mall and picked up the diamond and platinum ring my wifes been eyeing for a while, and I still have enough to have a field day at the gunshow on the 20th.

So uh... can I borrow a couple bucks? :D

Warp
09-03-2008, 20:18
Lol Aran, sounds like me. I've been collecting change for 38 years now, and it's doubled because the wife does the same. I finally broke down, mostly because I wanted a new Sig P220 SAO and another Beretta, I had to go rent a small uhaul with electronic lift and a cart because in my garage I had 2 55 gallon plastic drums full of change. This is prob the only time, outside of my military career that I open carried, and the thing is, my credit union has a sign that forbids weapons in the building, but I had called ahead the day before and spoke to the branch manager and received approval to carry due to the amount of change, which, when I FINALLY got it all through the machine I got a receipt for just a shade under $11,900.

I went out to my local dealer and picked up a Beretta 92 Italian made Inox, Glock 17, Sig P220 SAO, and a Nighthawk Dominator, then I hit the local jewelers in the mall and picked up the diamond and platinum ring my wifes been eyeing for a while, and I still have enough to have a field day at the gunshow on the 20th.



You afraid somebody would 'run off' with all that change?

I'm sorry, but that makes me :rofl:


I realize you could have left with it in cash, but you did mention you got a receipt, not a pile of bills

RussP
09-03-2008, 21:11
Well, I was finally refused entry because I was carrying. I was met at the door of an Alltel store by an employee who said, "You can't come in here with that."

There was a small sign beside the door that said that. This wasn't my usual store where I've open carried before.

So, I said, "May I just buy a case for my phone? It will only take a moment."

And get this, he said, "You can walk outside and we can do it out there.":faint:

I chuckled, and he said, "You can't be in here with that."

"Fine," I said, "I'll go where my dollars are appreciated." As we walked out, Mrs. RussP said in her best stage whisper, "Did he really just turn away a paying customer?"

So, I'll stop by my usual store in a couple of days... :supergrin:

rvrctyrngr
09-04-2008, 05:39
Well, I was finally refused entry because I was carrying. I was met at the door of an Alltel store by an employee who said, "You can't come in here with that."

There was a small sign beside the door that said that. This wasn't my usual store where I've open carried before.

So, I said, "May I just buy a case for my phone? It will only take a moment."

And get this, he said, "You can walk outside and we can do it out there.":faint:

I chuckled, and he said, "You can't be in here with that."

"Fine," I said, "I'll go where my dollars are appreciated." As we walked out, Mrs. RussP said in her best stage whisper, "Did he really just turn away a paying customer?"

So, I'll stop by my usual store in a couple of days... :supergrin:

:animlol: :rofl:

Good job, Russ....and to Mrs. RussP, especially!

dougader
09-04-2008, 16:07
I finally got started on this huge jar of pennies my grandma handed off to me, of my grandpa's, this morning.

All but maybe 100 of them were wheat pennies, and I had no penny rolls, having just taken care of my change jar, so I took a stack (13 rolls) of rolled pennies to deposit at the bank, and request 25 fresh, empty rolls.

Walked into the bank, Witness on my hip. No funny stares, no scared looks, nobody bothered openly by it.

Deposited my $6.50 (I'M RICH!), got the 25 empty rolls I needed, walked back out, got on my motorcycle, went home.

No problems, aside from spilling a handful of pennies when I got home. Filled every single one of them with wheat pennies, threw them on eBay.

*waits*
never mind...

ShelbyGoat
09-07-2008, 11:16
I was in the self-serve car wash bay and just got done rinsing down my car. As I was putting the watergun back in the hole a homeless guy walks up. The conversation goes like this:
HG=homeless guy
ME=me
HG: "You carrying a gun man!!"
me: "Yes, I am."
HG: "Who are you?!"
me: "A regular citizen just like you."
HG: "Well, don't shoot me."
me: "If you don't attack me, you have nothing to worry about."
The homeless guy then moves to the next garbage can out of site. I run the car down the road and come back to vaccum it out adn he is talking some another guy putting some tire shine on his wheels, trying to get money or handouts. I go about my business working on my car, make small talk with the guy cleaning his car, and go about my day.
This incident has gave me a bit of confidence that some types of bad guys don't want to mess with someone that is open carrying. Of course I know the disadvantages, as they have been said here before and I have read opencarry.org for many months.
Just figured I would share my experience with everyone.

Unit Officer
09-07-2008, 15:43
I'm so used to carrying one for work and everywhere else that I don't even think about it when I go anywhere. Of course I also have a weapon on me at all times even when I'm home. If I'm not wearing it on my person I have it within arms reach at all times, but never leave the house without at least one sidearm on me. This thread has just made me think about what it is like for all of those who are not law enforcement and actually have to be concerned with when and where they can carry and how they carry their weapon. I wish more responsible citizens could and would be trained and carry weapons for protection. All crime statistics show that concealed carry laws and armed citizens actually reduce person on person crimes. Very good food for thought.

RussP
09-07-2008, 16:46
Unit Officer, Welcome!!

Good post, sir.


:cool:

Resqu2
09-07-2008, 17:15
I haven't posted in this thread in a while mostly because nothing post worthy happens when I OC plus I have been CCW'ing most of the time to keep peace with the SO. Only OC if I'm by myself or we are going out to eat, that was pretty much the deal with the SO.

So yesterday I stopped by Urgent Care due to a 7 day long chest cold that was making me pretty miserable, I was carrying my G27 in my MTAC at 3 O'Clock, well hid I thought. Dr was doing her thing and I decided that I would tell her about the gun if she went to raise my shirt, she listened to my chest and before I could say a thing she jerked the back of my shirt up to listen to my back.

She looked down and just said in a slow voice "OK" I told her not to panic that I had a state permit to carry my gun and she replied "that's good" We chatted about why I carried and told her all my reasons and she was very nice about it. Said she understood.

All in all it was a positive experience and I got some good drugs out of the deal so maybe I will get better.

mnglocker
09-07-2008, 19:54
Unit Officer, Welcome!!

Good post, sir.


:cool:


Ditto that :goodpost:

Lone_Wolfe
09-07-2008, 21:02
I'm so used to carrying one for work ......................


Thank you for this post and a big THANK YOU for what you do.

unkle fester
09-11-2008, 11:57
finally had someone point out my glock 19 in a serpa blackhawk holster today.....I was standing in line looking at my newspaper waiting to order at Bojangles....( a southern Popeyes Chicken).......heard someone say "who do you work for" looked up and noticed that this guy in shorts and flip flops was talking to me..... again he said "who do you work for?".....I asked why? he said.."I noticed your gun, I work for the Winston Salem PD" I said ok,I don't work for anybody.........he gave me a funny look, and sarcastically said "rreeeeallyyyy"....I said "nope".........his take out order was ready, he grabbed it and walked out......as I sat there eating, I expected to see the sheriff's dept. roll up.....considering this guy wasn't even in his own city or county.......figgered he would call them.....just because of his attitude when he found out I wasn't LE......I finished my chicken in peace though.......

mnglocker
09-11-2008, 13:57
finally had someone point out my glock 19 in a serpa blackhawk holster today.....I was standing in line looking at my newspaper waiting to order at Bojangles....( a southern Popeyes Chicken).......heard someone say "who do you work for" looked up and noticed that this guy in shorts and flip flops was talking to me..... again he said "who do you work for?".....I asked why? he said.."I noticed your gun, I work for the Winston Salem PD" I said ok,I don't work for anybody.........he gave me a funny look, and sarcastically said "rreeeeallyyyy"....I said "nope".........his take out order was ready, he grabbed it and walked out......as I sat there eating, I expected to see the sheriff's dept. roll up.....considering this guy wasn't even in his own city or county.......figgered he would call them.....just because of his attitude when he found out I wasn't LE......I finished my chicken in peace though.......


:goodpost: :rofl::dancingbanana:

rvrctyrngr
09-12-2008, 05:51
finally had someone point out my glock 19 in a serpa blackhawk holster today.....I was standing in line looking at my newspaper waiting to order at Bojangles....( a southern Popeyes Chicken).......heard someone say "who do you work for" looked up and noticed that this guy in shorts and flip flops was talking to me..... again he said "who do you work for?".....I asked why? he said.."I noticed your gun, I work for the Winston Salem PD" I said ok,I don't work for anybody.........he gave me a funny look, and sarcastically said "rreeeeallyyyy"....I said "nope".........his take out order was ready, he grabbed it and walked out......as I sat there eating, I expected to see the sheriff's dept. roll up.....considering this guy wasn't even in his own city or county.......figgered he would call them.....just because of his attitude when he found out I wasn't LE......I finished my chicken in peace though.......

Bojangles ROCKS! I'll drive half-way across town to get to one....right past KFC and Popeye's.

Good post, BTW.

solomansousana
09-16-2008, 11:06
Thought this might be interesting. Also, it seems that this SAME city had to fork over 10k to a man who was open carrying in a norfolk event.

HamptonRoads.com
Judge: Norfolk gun law OK, but not request for private info

NORFOLK

The arrest of a man for openly carrying a gun at a Norfolk festival
did not violate the U.S. Constitution but the police officer who asked
for the man's Social Security number might have violated his civil
rights, a federal judge ruled this week.

Chester "Chet" Szymecki Jr. of Yorktown sued the city after his arrest
in June 2007 on a charge of violating a city ordinance prohibiting
firearms at Harborfest, held annually at Town Point Park.

Szymecki, a gun rights advocate, has challenged handgun bans in the
past. During his arrest, Szymecki claims police pushed him and that
when he complained that the handcuffs were on too tight, an officer
made them tighter.

During his arrest and later, when he was released from custody, police
asked him for his Social Security number. He initially balked, but
gave it to the officers to avoid being detained longer, he says in his
suit.

The charge was later thrown out after city officials learned that it
violated a state law that prohibits localities from regulating firearms.

Szymecki sued in federal court claiming multiple constitutional
violations, including the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear
arms and the Fourth Amendment prohibition against unlawful searches
and seizures.

U.S. District Judge Henry Coke Morgan Jr. ruled Thursday that Szymecki
cannot sue claiming constitutional violations under state or local
law. Morgan ruled earlier this year that the city did not violate the
Second Amendment for the same reason.

"It is well settled law in this circuit that the Second Amendment does
not apply to the states," Morgan wrote in dismissing Szymecki's
constitutional claims. "Because the Second Amendment does not apply to
the states, neither a state law nor a local ordinance can run afoul of
any right guaranteed by the Second Amendment."

However, Morgan ruled that the police demand for Szymecki's Social
Security number - if the allegation is true - would have violated the
federal Privacy Act.

Morgan will allow the case to go to trial on that issue alone. The
trial has been set for Dec. 16.

Tim McGlone, (757) 446-2343, tim.mcglone@pilotonline.com

HandyMan Hugh
09-16-2008, 12:10
The Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states? How about the rest of the constitution? Does that NOT apply either? What BS. This is just what Chicago's lawyers are going to try in their appeal of Heller V DC.
This will probably go all the way to SCOTUS. :steamed::steamed:

mnglocker
09-16-2008, 20:17
Well, I went through Menard's tonight to buy a storm door and some paint for my front door frame, not one question asked or even a stare. While I was getting rung up, the Kid asked me if I needed loading help, to which I obliged due to a cracked rib. While he's punching keys at the till, two of the other cashiers walk up to him and murmor amoungst themselfs and when I went to swipe my card the kid ringing me up asked if I was FBI. I looked at him dead seriously and said "what's the code word mcgee?" He looked at me funny with the two other cashiers and I then told them that I was just plain ol'Joe Citizen. :supergrin: :rofl:

Warp
09-17-2008, 16:31
I have a funny incident from today. I went to my local Sport Clips. I have been there at least a dozen times and open carried at least 4 of them, IIRC. There were two employees when I entered, and no customers. When I told the employees my name another man had entered after me. He used my name, having just overhead it, and jokingly said that I was goign to shoot up the place, but not until AFTER I got my hair cut. I smiled and said that I needed to look good in case there were surveillence cameras and they put my picture up on TV. :supergrin: They found that qutie comical. A little more joking ensued, and I got my hair cut.


By far and away the most common type of question I get is one that is designed to find out of I am a police officer without actually coming out and asking it. Asking about whether I am off today, just got off, on duty or on the job, if I work a rotating shift, etc. I got two of those today, at different places. It didn't seem to phase them at all when I answered in a way that showed I was not a LEO.

Fiery Red XIII
09-18-2008, 08:34
I'm so used to carrying one for work and everywhere else that I don't even think about it when I go anywhere. Of course I also have a weapon on me at all times even when I'm home. If I'm not wearing it on my person I have it within arms reach at all times, but never leave the house without at least one sidearm on me. This thread has just made me think about what it is like for all of those who are not law enforcement and actually have to be concerned with when and where they can carry and how they carry their weapon. I wish more responsible citizens could and would be trained and carry weapons for protection. All crime statistics show that concealed carry laws and armed citizens actually reduce person on person crimes. Very good food for thought.


Concealed carry laws? Or Carry laws in general? Just curious...is there a noted difference when laws don't specify?

By the way all, I OC'd in Cub Foods, Blockbuster, and Papa John's last night, no one freaked out, called 911, said anything, ran away screaming AT ALL! I was sorely disappointed :supergrin: :rofl:


Red

Red

HandyMan Hugh
09-18-2008, 11:27
I wish more responsible citizens could and would be trained and carry weapons for protection. All crime statistics show that concealed carry laws and armed citizens actually reduce person on person crimes. Very good food for thought.

Thank you Sir for that. The same wish was told to me last September by a Cleveland City Police Officer. He helped me to get a very large motorhome into a very small parking lot at the Cleveland Clinic. At first contact I told the officer that I was licensed and carrying. After we had the motorhome into the lot and out of the street, I got out to thank him. At that point he said" I'm glad to see that you're carrying and can protect yourself. I wish more people would do that!" Cool guy!:supergrin:

Warp
09-18-2008, 19:05
Interesting day. I didn't open carry anywhere today, but while I was at work the guy I mentioned previously (RE: hair cut) came through my place of employment, which is right across the street from where he saw me yesterday. He nodded/pointd, smiled and said "I knew I recognized you from somewhere, you got your haircut yesterday right?", I said yes, that was me. I elaborated that I live nearby an try not to go too far due to gas prices, he agreed and said he does the same thing. Told me to havce a nice day or night or whatever and kept walking. I'm pretty sure he only referenced the hair cut and said nothing else so as not to potentially mention the gun carrying aspect in front of my co-workers.

Then I was stopped by a 19 year old kid who works elsewhere in the store, whose girlfriend goes to Berkeley.. I had open carried through the store, briefly, last week. He asked a question that started like he was simply seeing if he was seeing things or if I really had a gun. He actually asked if it was a Serpa holster (it was), and he was curious how I liked it. He cannot carry yet but fully intends to get his license when he turns 21. I ended up answering questions about guns, carry, GA laws, etc for 20-25 minutes. :cool:

Fiery Red XIII
09-19-2008, 13:00
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1189/dscn0057pt4.jpg

The Minnesota Gun Rights Gathering @ Lake Harriet in Minnapolis. 7/13/08 Yes, OC in a VERY crowded inner city park.

Is that u w/the 6 gun and belt?
I gotta get together w/yall again.


Red

mnglocker
09-19-2008, 19:29
Is that u w/the 6 gun and belt?
I gotta get together w/yall again.


Red

Why yes, yes it is. :supergrin: :wavey:

RussP
09-22-2008, 14:47
An interesting week last week. Our son-in-law's mother had a heart attack and subsequently passed away up in Fredericksburg. I went to their home in the Charlottesville area to watch our grandkids so daughter could go up to F'burg.

Now, the first day was not open carry friendly. I had to take the kids to schools where carry is not allowed, so the Glock gets secured and locked in the car while I go in and take care of signing them in.

Then it is off to the Food Lion for groceries and CVS for OTC meds. Open carry is not a problem in either store.

Then it is time to head back and start picking up kids - didn't have to get out of the car, so no problem this time.

Supper is take out from a local restaurant we've been to many times. No problem there. Saw a couple of local deputies I met at a party a couple years back that live nearby. Walked over and re-introduced myself.

Then we headed up to Fredericksburg for the funeral. Checked into the hotel - no problem. I did conceal for the funeral home. Went to Ruby Tuesday's for a late dinner. Open Carry mandatory due to our stupid law. Again, no problems. The manager came over and asked if our service and food were okay. He also asked if a couple of boisterous bar patrons were bothering us. They weren't that bad. Good to see someone in NoVA concerned about a couple of drunks' behavior rather than my Glock.

Then came 4:35 Sunday morning!! The fire alarm goes off. On goes the jeans, shirt, shoes, computer into the bag with the BUG and down the steps we go. We link up with daughter and family. Need to mention that son-in-law was a firefighter in F'Burg for many years, so he knows the responding engine company. Four F'Burg PD roll up and go into the lobby.

No fire, just some idiot pulling the stairwell alarm on the 4th floor. So, we go into the lobby to wait for son-in-law who is having a reunion with the firefighters.

One of the FPD officers sees me and my G21, they huddle and I hear one say, "Ah, he looks FBI - see the computer bag?" They laugh and one nods and says hello. I nod back and head the family back upstairs.

Next morning at breakfast in the hotel the place is crowded and people are talking about the false alarm. A couple of people notice my pistol, nod and smile. Guess they were FBI... :animlol:

RussP
09-29-2008, 11:57
Folks this thread is not for in depth discussion of specific carry laws. If you have questions, post in a new thread in Carry Issues.

solomansousana
09-29-2008, 12:09
I finally got off the phone with the State police, the told me the following:

School property/school functions (School busses are school property) unless gun is unloaded,in an enclosed container (but NOT in the glove box or console) and in the vehicle. A car's trunkis considered an enclosed container. However, a concealed handgun permit holder can have aloaded, concealed handgun in the vehicle while in the school parking lot, traffic circle, etc. The
concealed handgun and the permit holder must stay in the vehicle. Firearms are not bannedfrom property open to the public where a school function is being held unless that property isbeing used exclusively for the school function. Violation of this statute is a felony.

My apology's to Russ for any misunderstanding, I was told by the CA's office that taking any weapon onto school grounds and then leaving it in the vehicle, even locked up was verbotten, it seems even the CA isn't clear on this matter, but I'm having the state send me the pdf document so that I can make sure I have copies in my vehicles and on me at all time.

Warp
10-04-2008, 19:33
****************************************
Lets try this as an Open Carry sticky.

Just post about your open carry experiences, any problems you had, and positive encounters with others. If you want, describe your carry rig, how you dressed, time of day, frequency of carry in that location...any details that will help others decide whether open carry is for them.

Remember, Open Carry is NOT for everyone.

Laws restrict open carrying in certain jurisdictions.

If you disagree with open carry, that's fine, but this thread is NOT for arguing pro/con open carry. Any posts in that vein will be deleted.

gordo
10-05-2008, 18:54
Saw a customer leaving a very nice restaurant in Leesburg, VA the other night and put down my fork and followed him outside to thank him for OCing, thinking he belonged to a group here in VA who make a point of doing that. He wasn't. Asked him if he ever got any flack doing it and he said no, just once in a while a question about OC in places where alcohol is being served, you can if not drinking yourself. With that he unloaded a very nice Kimber and handed it to me to look at. Nice guy. Nice gun too. Thanks to all of you who do this, in time it may become the rule in VA rather than the exception.

Lone_Wolfe
10-05-2008, 20:03
Well, sort of. I went into a Cash America that I've been in before. In fact the last ime I was there I bought a Ruger Redhawk. I walked up toward the gun counter and spotted another Ruger that I liked. About that time I raised a hand to point out the gun I wanted the man behind the counter said "Maam, is you sidearm unloaded?"
I shook my head and said "No sir."

He said "Please"

I shook my head again and said "No. Have a nice afternoon."

Took my money over to Slash K and spent on boolits for the guns I have instead.....

solomansousana
10-06-2008, 12:51
Well, sort of. I went into a Cash America that I've been in before. In fact the last ime I was there I bought a Ruger Redhawk. I walked up toward the gun counter and spotted another Ruger that I liked. About that time I raised a hand to point out the gun I wanted the man behind the counter said "Maam, is you sidearm unloaded?"
I shook my head and said "No sir."

He said "Please"

I shook my head again and said "No. Have a nice afternoon."

Took my money over to Slash K and spent on boolits for the guns I have instead.....

The Jack### expected you to clear a loaded weapon out in the open? I'd send a note to the owner of his store stating if they don't want spending gunowners in the store, to post a sign that says no loaded weapons inside.

Fiery Red XIII
10-08-2008, 10:40
Well, OC'd again at the local Blockbuster...while walking, hear a guy on his cellphone tell whoever he was talking to that "someone has a gun on their hip", then much more loudly says "I don't know how anyone can do that in this day and age." I would've liked to stick around a bit, possibly for a teaching moment or for more comic value, but had to get home to let the dogs out. The manager told me today when I returned the movie that the guy asked if they were scared or worried. She told him she's seen me in several times, no one else has ever noticed/complained, and asked why she would be scared of a holstered inanimate object! :rofl: She said he left before she could ask if he was scared of Police Officers and their guns too.

Red

rvrctyrngr
10-08-2008, 13:09
"I don't know how anyone can do that in this day and age."

Firearm? Check.
Holster? Check.
Gunbelt? Check.

Seems pretty simple to me. :rofl:

Pyzik
10-08-2008, 13:21
Late night trip to Meijer (department store).

I am 6 foot about 170lbs white male, was 23 at the time. (With a Valid CCW)
I was working for a bank at the time so I was wearing black slacks, dress shoes, button up tucked in shirt and tie, clean cut and shaved. Carrying S&W Cheif's Special .45 in a OWB Bianche black holster at about 4 o'clock.

It was about 12:00am when I visited the store (I went dierectly from work to my girlfriend's and never went home to change). I decided to open carry as an experement.

We walked in the door and proceeded down the isle about 20 feet, I turned around to grab a cart. When I turned I saw a store manager looking at my pistol with wide eyes, he turned and quickly went into an office. About 10 minutes later I was rounding an isle when I saw the manager waiving and pointing at me. I looked in the direction he was pointing and saw 2 officers headed my way. So I stoped and waited for them to approch me (keeping my hands on the cart). First thing out of the cops mouth was "slowly put your hands behind your head and interlock your fingers".
I did so, and one of them took the pistol and another got in my back pocket for my wallet.
One officer asked me if I knew it was illegal to open carry even with a CCW. I informed him in actuallity, it was legal. He made a call to dispatch (or whatever) who informed him that I was in comliance with the law.

They gave me some hassle about open carrying and scaring people and asked me to finish shopping with my shirt untucked as to cover the pistol.
I did so, and went on my way.

I doubt I will open carry in public again.

Beware Owner
10-08-2008, 13:51
Firearm? Check.
Holster? Check.
Gunbelt? Check.

Seems pretty simple to me. :rofl:

Nah, I think they'd feel more comfortable and at home if you put a mask on, put the gun in their mouth, and demanded money. :upeyes:

RussP
10-08-2008, 18:59
Late night trip to Meijer (department store).

...I was working for a bank at the time so I was wearing black slacks, dress shoes, button up tucked in shirt and tie, clean cut and shaved. Carrying S&W Cheif's Special .45 in a OWB Bianche black holster at about 4 o'clock.

It was about 12:00am when I visited the store ...When I turned I saw a store manager looking at my pistol with wide eyes, he turned and quickly went into an office. ...First thing out of the cops mouth was "slowly put your hands behind your head and interlock your fingers".
I did so, and one of them took the pistol and another got in my back pocket for my wallet.
One officer asked me if I knew it was illegal to open carry even with a CCW. I informed him in actuallity, it was legal. He made a call to dispatch (or whatever) who informed him that I was in comliance with the law.

They gave me some hassle about open carrying and scaring people and asked me to finish shopping with my shirt untucked as to cover the pistol.
I did so, and went on my way.

I doubt I will open carry in public again.Experimenting with open carry at midnight is not something I'd recommend.

GreenDrake
10-08-2008, 19:53
Late night trip to Meijer (department store).

I am 6 foot about 170lbs white male, was 23 at the time. (With a Valid CCW)
I was working for a bank at the time so I was wearing black slacks, dress shoes, button up tucked in shirt and tie, clean cut and shaved. Carrying S&W Cheif's Special .45 in a OWB Bianche black holster at about 4 o'clock.

It was about 12:00am when I visited the store (I went dierectly from work to my girlfriend's and never went home to change). I decided to open carry as an experement.

We walked in the door and proceeded down the isle about 20 feet, I turned around to grab a cart. When I turned I saw a store manager looking at my pistol with wide eyes, he turned and quickly went into an office. About 10 minutes later I was rounding an isle when I saw the manager waiving and pointing at me. I looked in the direction he was pointing and saw 2 officers headed my way. So I stoped and waited for them to approch me (keeping my hands on the cart). First thing out of the cops mouth was "slowly put your hands behind your head and interlock your fingers".
I did so, and one of them took the pistol and another got in my back pocket for my wallet.
One officer asked me if I knew it was illegal to open carry even with a CCW. I informed him in actuallity, it was legal. He made a call to dispatch (or whatever) who informed him that I was in comliance with the law.

They gave me some hassle about open carrying and scaring people and asked me to finish shopping with my shirt untucked as to cover the pistol.
I did so, and went on my way.

I doubt I will open carry in public again.

Cool. Now you have a 4th Ammendment violation and cause for a lawsuit.

Lone_Wolfe
10-08-2008, 19:57
Well, OC'd again at the local Blockbuster..................
Red

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Fiery Red XIII
10-08-2008, 21:28
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

???

Red

Pyzik
10-09-2008, 05:36
Cool. Now you have a 4th Ammendment violation and cause for a lawsuit.
I very well might have fallowed through had they put cuffs on me.

ShelbyGoat
10-11-2008, 05:43
Went and did my errands yesterday opoen carrying. Blockbuster, a hoagie shop, Harris Teeter (grocery store), and a gas station. No harrasing comments, no looks that I know of.

Will be headed to a car show today.

Gonzoso
10-11-2008, 06:36
When I ride my motorcycle I don't make much of an effort to conceal my OWB G36 because it is difficult with the wind and such, but I am apprehensive about carrying openly on a normal basis. I am an Environmental Science student and have a degree in CJ, and am a conservationist and outdoorsman, but I fear my appearance would unnerve people if they saw me with a gun. I have long hair and a beard and some tattoos and people seem to be wary of me normally, which I find amusing because I am mostly like a big, hairy teddybear, and I don't even smell like a dirty hippy.:supergrin:

If I cut my hair and shave I can easily look like a stereotypical LEO, but I like my hair. Does anyone else that looks like a grizzled mountain man/hippy have any experiences with open carry? I read RussP's post on suggestions as to who should/should not carry, and I fear I may alarm some folks, although I fit all the other suggestions.

I was once detained and dirarmed by a conservation officer, and DCNR officers in the same night. We spoke and they realized I was legal and OK and I even spoke to them about dogs and shooting for a while and we were having a good old time. I think it is the whole first impression thing.

Fiery Red XIII
10-11-2008, 12:42
When I ride my motorcycle I don't make much of an effort to conceal my OWB G36 because it is difficult with the wind and such, but I am apprehensive about carrying openly on a normal basis. I am an Environmental Science student and have a degree in CJ, and am a conservationist and outdoorsman, but I fear my appearance would unnerve people if they saw me with a gun. I have long hair and a beard and some tattoos and people seem to be wary of me normally, which I find amusing because I am mostly like a big, hairy teddybear, and I don't even smell like a dirty hippy.:supergrin:

If I cut my hair and shave I can easily look like a stereotypical LEO, but I like my hair. Does anyone else that looks like a grizzled mountain man/hippy have any experiences with open carry? I read RussP's post on suggestions as to who should/should not carry, and I fear I may alarm some folks, although I fit all the other suggestions.

I was once detained and dirarmed by a conservation officer, and DCNR officers in the same night. We spoke and they realized I was legal and OK and I even spoke to them about dogs and shooting for a while and we were having a good old time. I think it is the whole first impression thing.


I have done it w/a full beard, but my hair is usually pretty short (I have thick/curly red hair, and when it gets long I get a fro like that painter guy:embarassed:)

Never a problem with a beard, cap, and sunglasses either.

Red

Pyzik
10-11-2008, 17:07
Experimenting with open carry at midnight is not something I'd recommend.

I thought (at the time) it would be better to do so that late at night do to the fact that there would be less people to to possibly "freek out".

FL2NV
10-12-2008, 00:28
I OC'ed for the first time today, ironically it was to my CCW class. The class was in kind of a bad part of town, and I wanted to carry. First, I had to stop at the ATM at the bank, which is inside...your card let's you in the dorr to the lobby are when it is cloed, and as I was going in, a guy was coming out..he saw my piece and kind of got big eyed...I said "hi" and held the door for him. Then I went to where the class was, and someone saw it and asked if it was a Glock, I said yes. He then said are you allowed to carry it like that. I said yes, you may legally carry a gun in the open, as long as you are allowed to own a gun. He said "oh". Not a bad first time I guess.

bnkrtstk
10-12-2008, 08:04
Went and did my errands yesterday opoen carrying. Blockbuster, a hoagie shop, Harris Teeter (grocery store), and a gas station. No harrasing comments, no looks that I know of.

Will be headed to a car show today.

There is no way you are originally from NC if you use the word "hoagie" :supergrin:

mnglocker
10-12-2008, 14:31
When I ride my motorcycle I don't make much of an effort to conceal my OWB G36 because it is difficult with the wind and such, but I am apprehensive about carrying openly on a normal basis. I am an Environmental Science student and have a degree in CJ, and am a conservationist and outdoorsman, but I fear my appearance would unnerve people if they saw me with a gun. I have long hair and a beard and some tattoos and people seem to be wary of me normally, which I find amusing because I am mostly like a big, hairy teddybear, and I don't even smell like a dirty hippy.:supergrin:

If I cut my hair and shave I can easily look like a stereotypical LEO, but I like my hair. Does anyone else that looks like a grizzled mountain man/hippy have any experiences with open carry? I read RussP's post on suggestions as to who should/should not carry, and I fear I may alarm some folks, although I fit all the other suggestions.

I was once detained and dirarmed by a conservation officer, and DCNR officers in the same night. We spoke and they realized I was legal and OK and I even spoke to them about dogs and shooting for a while and we were having a good old time. I think it is the whole first impression thing.

Just smile and say "hello" and it should go smooth. I hacked off the 9"+ mane about a year ago and I always have some kind of different facial hair going on. :cool:

Clyde in CO
10-12-2008, 21:24
If I cut my hair and shave I can easily look like a stereotypical LEO, but I like my hair. Does anyone else that looks like a grizzled mountain man/hippy have any experiences with open carry? I read RussP's post on suggestions as to who should/should not carry, and I fear I may alarm some folks, although I fit all the other suggestions.

I was once detained and dirarmed by a conservation officer, and DCNR officers in the same night. We spoke and they realized I was legal and OK and I even spoke to them about dogs and shooting for a while and we were having a good old time. I think it is the whole first impression thing.

I look like a grizzled mountain man, but I don't OC.

I have found however that when you have a beard that is longer than a stick of gum people don't mess with you.

Were the cops in my town not so jumpy and stupid I'd give it a try.

ShelbyGoat
10-13-2008, 12:05
There is no way you are originally from NC if you use the word "hoagie" :supergrin:
haha...very good observation, PA born and raised.

In the past few days, I have open carried almost everywhere I could. Went to Blockbuster, Harris Teeter, the car show, Wendy's, etc. Even went into the busy Verizon store. The more I do it, the more comfortable it becomes.

There have been no bad experiences, a couple looks, but nothing major.

eclipse13
10-13-2008, 22:16
My first OC experience

I got my first pistol (Glock G23) on Thursday, and OCed for the first time Saturday. I am a photographer from Wilmington, NC and was on my way to photograph a wedding in Morehead, NC. I’m 21; 5’10”, 220lbs, and I have long hair (pass my shoulders). For the first 2 stops I was wearing khaki slacks and a brown Billabong T-shirt with my G23 in a black leather OWB holster on my right hip. First was Target (11am). I just needed to run in a grab a gift card. All in all I was in the store for less than 10 minutes. I honestly don’t think a single person even saw it. Everyone seemed oblivious. Next was about an hour when later I stopped at a Wendy’s for lunch. The line was quite long, and once again, it felt like no one even noticed, save for one girl. She was probably about 10 years old. I saw her look at the gun, and then look up at my face. Other than that it didn’t seem to faze her. I ate and left without a problem. I disarmed and left it locked in my glove box for the wedding. After the wedding I rearmed. At this point I had changed clothes. I was wearing khakis still, but now I was wearing a tucked in blue dress shirt. I went into Wal-Mart (12am) for a light bulb for my headlight. As before, no one even seemed to notice. Last stop was on the way home. My girlfriend, who was following me back to Wilmington, needed to stop for gas. We stopped at a well-lit gas station and I walked over to her car before going inside. As I opened the door for my girlfriend, an employee who was smoking out side said, “You aren’t going to rob us are you?” I smiled and said, “no ma’am.” She laughed and said “good, cause if you are, I’m leaving.” The rest of the stop went off without a hitch.

Overall, I was a little surprised at how mellow everyone is. I’m not sure if everyone was OK with it, or if they really were just that oblivious to the large chunk of metal on my hip.

Daryl in Az
10-16-2008, 04:54
My wife and I were in Fry's supermarket the other day. I was open carrying, as usual.

We got in line to check out, and there was a young lady with her young daughter (about 4-5 years old) ahead of us in line.

The little girl got all excited about the straw Stetson on my head, which started a short conversation while we were waiting. It seems they were from Montana, and the little girl was used to seeing cowboy hats. Evidently she missed seeing them on most guy's heads.

Neither of them even glanced at the handgun I was carrying, which is pretty much the norm around here. I guess they were used to seeing those, too.

Nobody freaked, nobody called the cops, and nobody shielded their children from the "man with a gun". Just another normal day of me doing what I needed to do.

;)

Daryl

liberty addict
10-17-2008, 06:41
This topic is frequently discussed. No, no one has posted incidents where a non-LEO open carrying is "shot first".Don't bet your life on that.

"I do not know the agenda of anyone around me," is my position.

A bad guy coming into a convenience store, it depends on his/her motivation as to whether your openly carried firearm is a deterrent or a target.

Just because no stories are forthcoming about open carrying citizens being shot first could just mean most do follow the suggestion, "Open Carry ONLY When and Where Appropriate".


:cool:

Something happened near Houston recently; while it does NOT involve someone open-carrying that was targeted, it shows to me a criminal mind set that wanted to pre-empt any possible resistance whatsoever. This guy brought a rife into a C-store and immediately blasted the clerk, killing him. He then stole about $5,000 out of the (open) safe and ran.

In my view he wanted no chance for the clerk (who was unarmed) to draw and fire.

Situational awareness, folks!

Oh, I don't have a link but here is some text from where I first saw this:

This happened Sunday night about 7 miles from where I live, just found out about it today, my co-worker knows the store well, and knew the kid who was killed. Happened in Quail Valley, east, in Missouri City, TX.

The story in the paper states that the robber walked into the store about 10 PM Sunday night, and just opened fire on the lone clerk there, killing him, then proceeded to go behind the counter and take the cash. He was wearing a do-rag over his face, and was about 5' 10", black, and that's all that is known right now. Not how he left (on foot or car), or much of anything else, except a good kid, working and going to school, was murdered in cold blood.

The story my co-worker told me was that this kid was working in his uncle's store, she said he was from Nepal, and about mid-20's, going to school. Friendly and helpful to everyone. This is one of her neighborhood stores, where she goes several times a week. According to her, all 3rd hand, again the robber just entered and started shooting, then robbed the place, but his uncle was in the freezer at the time doing work, and unable to hear anythng due to the compressor noise. The kid was found on the floor by a customer a bit later, who then called 911. The uncle found out when the cops got there. It's probably a blessing he was in the back, no one else in the store. Sounds like the robber had cased the store and was watching for such an opportunity--one person to deal with.
All 3rd hand, as I said, not sure she has it right. Most of the detail came from her husband, talks she had with the kid-- But the basic facts-- Another POS who can't make a living, killing those with a future, who have done them no harm. Truly gets me pissed! And there's no recourse... Only thing is to donate to the family for the kid to be sent home to be buried.

I haven't heard of kill the clerk immediately and then rob the store--either a really wrong bad guy or is there any truth to the kill a man gang initiation stuff? A new robbery trend?

In any case, a good kid is dead, an a-hole is several dollars richer, and because it affected someone close, not just another story on TV, I'm all worked up about this....

I truly hate this crap.

mnglocker
10-17-2008, 07:40
:upeyes: What the heck does this have to do with OC? Start a new thread for ramblings like this.

liberty addict
10-17-2008, 08:24
:upeyes: What the heck does this have to do with OC? Start a new thread for ramblings like this.

My point was, the bad guy was determined to take out the clerk, regardless of his carry status. So if he HAD been open carrying, this might have been an example of what RussP was asking for.

Not an actual example, of course.

RussP
10-17-2008, 10:38
Thanks for the post, liberty addict.

As my good friend Dragoon44 says, and I agree with this, a determined criminal will not be deterred by seeing a citizen open carrying. They probably have already made the decision to kill anyone in the establishment. BUT...

Like you commented, the bad guy probably had cased the store, knew when the safe might be open, and when the fewest customers would be in the store.

Bringing this back to open carry, when I do have to go to our local convenience store after dark, I never open carry. I don't care if it is still 95 degrees outside at 10:00 PM, I cover up.

I also never fully turn my back on the front door for more than a couple of seconds at a time. You will be hard pressed to come inside the store without me knowing it.

Anyone already inside will be scrutinized carefully.

Your situational awareness skills will determine your safety.

Look, this is really stuff for another thread.

liberty addict, again thanks for reminding us that there are people out there who don't give a rat's ass for other's lives and we need to prepare for meeting one of them one day. Most likely we'll not, but I'm not going to bet my life on even those slim odds.


:cool:

liberty addict
10-17-2008, 17:30
Russ --

Right, stuff for another thread. Just wanted to point out that my wife and I own a convenience store ourselves, and largely run it ourselves -- and it isn't in a very great part of town (South Oklahoma City). When I'm there, especially at night, I maintain great vigilance. Open carry doesn't come into it as OC is not legal in Oklahoma -- but being a clerk in a C-store makes you target enough without having an obvious gun on you. I try to look nonchalant but watchful, but carry a G26 AIWB with an extra mag. Probably good to have a 12 gauge as well...

OK

ajalaniz
10-20-2008, 13:58
Hello Everyone!,

I open carry every day but, last night was the first time I had to unholster
my carry weapon. Yesterday evening I purchased my first Glock (a G23) and was carring it in a serpa holster. While on my way to pickup my little sister from a friends house I was traveling down a dirt road that I have gone down hundreds of times before in a very peaceful neighborhood when I came upon two cars compleatly blocking the road. I figured it was just some of the neighbors making a quick conversation but it turned out to be some of the local "gangbangers" who decided they were going to party in the middle of the road.
They immediately decided to get out of their cars and walk towards me cussing and throwing gang signs. Wanting to avoid a confrontation I put the car in reverse but there were several cars behind me. One of them was carrying a large whiskey bottle and proceeded to bang it on my windshield. Immediately and without hesitation I drew my G23 once he attempted to open my door. The second the guy saw the gun pointing at him he turned pale and ran. His little buddies jumped in thier cars and left. Once I felt that I was safe I called the Police and gave them the license plate # from one of the cars. From this point on I will carry either concealed or open every day.

P.S. I've had the Glock less than 24Hrs and love it more than any of the XD's I've bought over the years!

solomansousana
10-20-2008, 14:22
Here's some good advice, if possible, in your car, purchase used, good condition body armor and place it in between the door panels. I purchase new panels for my vest about every 3 years, and the old one's go into the doors.

Warp
10-20-2008, 22:15
I stopped at a gas station while in Kentucky earlier this evening. After I paid at the pump and filled my tank I walked to the building where the front door had an impossible-to-miss sign that stated "Concealed deadly weapons are prohibited in this area". Since I had already given them my money (I would have gone elsewhere had I seen the sign earlier), it specifically said concealed, and all three of my deadly weapons (G20 and a couple standard pocket knives) were open I entered to use the restroom. It was quite full, at least a dozen people. Nobody said anything and I got no overt looks, but I was :rofl: inside.

I will be paying more attention when I hit the road again next month. This is the first time I've seen a sign at a gas station. They don't carry the weight of law, but I don't want to give them my money. I would have called and told them that, but the receipt had no phone number on it.

HLFD18
10-20-2008, 23:26
AZ DBLTRBL, When I 1st began to OC and, or, CC, I was a little unconfortable. In order to raise my own level of confidance, and erase the "fear" that EVERYONE was looking at my gun, I started by OC'ing w/the family all with me, wife,daughter 7yrs, and son 4yrs old. They're presence made me feel more at ease and less nervous. Now I OC 99.9% and have even went out on my own, lol, Be patient, confidance comes to us all. Be safe, HLFD18

chemcmndr
10-25-2008, 10:51
So, I had my first OC experience last night. After reading many posts here, and then checking with Rolla Police last week (no preemption laws in MO so it depends on local regulations as to whether OC is legal or not) and finding out that OC is legal in Rolla, I decided to test the waters and I went to the local Blockbuster with my G17 at my side. I was nervous, but I was also very nice and courteous to everyone that I encountered. I'm not sure if anyone even noticed or not, but I never got any comments and I don't think I even got a second glance by anyone. I think that that experience has made me a lot less nervous and a little bit more confident that I can exercise my right to carry without any hassle. I just hope that it can stay that way.

Warp
10-25-2008, 20:36
So, I had my first OC experience last night. After reading many posts here, and then checking with Rolla Police last week (no preemption laws in MO so it depends on local regulations as to whether OC is legal or not) and finding out that OC is legal in Rolla, I decided to test the waters and I went to the local Blockbuster with my G17 at my side. I was nervous, but I was also very nice and courteous to everyone that I encountered. I'm not sure if anyone even noticed or not, but I never got any comments and I don't think I even got a second glance by anyone. I think that that experience has made me a lot less nervous and a little bit more confident that I can exercise my right to carry without any hassle. I just hope that it can stay that way.


That's how it usually goes. :thumbsup:

Beware Owner
10-26-2008, 01:42
One time as I OC'd, I entered a store where the gentleman proceeded to tell me that it was illegal to OC in a "public place". He obviously doesn't know that a business is a private place and if not expressly stated in a conspicuous manner, still legal. He lost several hundred dollars worth of business due to his ignorance.

Warp
11-01-2008, 16:56
Nothing came of it, but I had a couple guys set off all kinds of warning bells earlier this evening.

I was carrying openly at a busy mall (nothing new there) while eating in the food court. I was seated at a table on the edge of a 'sea of tables', with my strong side facing out towards a half circle shaped walkway/path (this direction was the best view).

Two 'thug looking' guy were walking straight towards me. This alone was worth noting as the pathway was curved, they started at the opposite side of it and were cutting across in a direction that would end with them running into me/the table. They were not looking at me, nor would they. They were instead looking every direction around us, heads on swivels. Furthermore, the one that would end up closest to me had both of his hands behind his back. Okay, WTF.

I tilted my chair outwards a little bit, put my elbows up on the table with my hands ahead of me and tried my best to figure out what he was doing with his hands. The one closest to me walked by well inside of a standard personal comfort zone. They were definately doing something or other, making a statement...something. BTW: He had one hand around the wrist of his other hand and they acted exactly the same after they passed me as they had previously.

garebel
11-03-2008, 20:51
Nothing came of it, but I had a couple guys set off all kinds of warning bells earlier this evening.

I was carrying openly at a busy mall (nothing new there) while eating in the food court. I was seated at a table on the edge of a 'sea of tables', with my strong side facing out towards a half circle shaped walkway/path (this direction was the best view).

Two 'thug looking' guy were walking straight towards me. This alone was worth noting as the pathway was curved, they started at the opposite side of it and were cutting across in a direction that would end with them running into me/the table. They were not looking at me, nor would they. They were instead looking every direction around us, heads on swivels. Furthermore, the one that would end up closest to me had both of his hands behind his back. Okay, WTF.

I tilted my chair outwards a little bit, put my elbows up on the table with my hands ahead of me and tried my best to figure out what he was doing with his hands. The one closest to me walked by well inside of a standard personal comfort zone. They were definately doing something or other, making a statement...something. BTW: He had one hand around the wrist of his other hand and they acted exactly the same after they passed me as they had previously.

My guess is they had figured you for a LEO.
Then again...they may not have seen your weapon and were sizing you up...
The important thing is that you were both aware of any possible situation forthcoming, and had the means to deal with it as well.
And that is GOOOOOOOOOD!:cool:
Were you in Atlanta when the shooter opened up at the food court in Perimeter Mall? That was a nut case who flipped out and started shooting.

All the more reason to carry!

Mind if I ask which mall? We live near the Mall of Georgia and my wife and daughter are there a lot...

Warp
11-03-2008, 21:01
My guess is they had figured you for a LEO.
Then again...they may not have seen your weapon and were sizing you up...
The important thing is that you were both aware of any possible situation forthcoming, and had the means to deal with it as well.
And that is GOOOOOOOOOD!:cool:
Were you in Atlanta when the shooter opened up at the food court in Perimeter Mall? That was a nut case who flipped out and started shooting.

All the more reason to carry!

Mind if I ask which mall? We live near the Mall of Georgia and my wife and daughter are there a lot...

I have been in GA since early 2007.

I will PM you with the specific mall

racer11
11-03-2008, 23:53
Late night trip to Meijer (department store).

I am 6 foot about 170lbs white male, was 23 at the time. (With a Valid CCW)
I was working for a bank at the time so I was wearing black slacks, dress shoes, button up tucked in shirt and tie, clean cut and shaved. Carrying S&W Cheif's Special .45 in a OWB Bianche black holster at about 4 o'clock.

It was about 12:00am when I visited the store (I went dierectly from work to my girlfriend's and never went home to change). I decided to open carry as an experement.

We walked in the door and proceeded down the isle about 20 feet, I turned around to grab a cart. When I turned I saw a store manager looking at my pistol with wide eyes, he turned and quickly went into an office. About 10 minutes later I was rounding an isle when I saw the manager waiving and pointing at me. I looked in the direction he was pointing and saw 2 officers headed my way. So I stoped and waited for them to approch me (keeping my hands on the cart). First thing out of the cops mouth was "slowly put your hands behind your head and interlock your fingers".
I did so, and one of them took the pistol and another got in my back pocket for my wallet.
One officer asked me if I knew it was illegal to open carry even with a CCW. I informed him in actuallity, it was legal. He made a call to dispatch (or whatever) who informed him that I was in comliance with the law.

They gave me some hassle about open carrying and scaring people and asked me to finish shopping with my shirt untucked as to cover the pistol.
I did so, and went on my way.

I doubt I will open carry in public again.

I dont think you will ever find that Dispatchers are more trained and versed on the local law's than the cops on the streets,,otherwise they would be working the street and the cop would be a dispatcher,,,ok

theghostrider
11-04-2008, 07:59
Cool. Now you have a 4th Ammendment violation and cause for a lawsuit.I very well might have fallowed through had they put cuffs on me.It's doubtful that they had legitimate reasonable suspicion for detaining you. Getting that information (their actual RS) would probably take a FOIA request. GreenDrake is correct that you have a possible/probable 4th Amendment violation and cause for a lawsuite. When they ordered you to turn around and place your hands on your head, you were effectively being detained. When they seized your weapon, you were effectively being detained. Without valid reasonable suspicion, that was a violation of your rights.

...
One officer asked me if I knew it was illegal to open carry even with a CCW. I informed him in actuallity, it was legal. He made a call to dispatch (or whatever) who informed him that I was in comliance with the law.

They gave me some hassle about open carrying and scaring people and asked me to finish shopping with my shirt untucked as to cover the pistol.
I did so, and went on my way.

I doubt I will open carry in public again.
The police are building a reputation of intimidating citizens into not open carrying. While that intimidation worked in your case, there is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid legal entanglements, as it consumes time, and finances.

Have you visited opencarry.org, and if so have you read the Michigan section's threads, "MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO", and "WASH, RINSE, REPEAT"? Even if you never OC again, you should still read those two threads. Just because you chose to conceal from now on, doesn't mean this can't happen to you again. Knowing your rights, as well as the law is outlined in the "MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO" thread. That knowledge is beneficial to OC'ers and CC'ers alike.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13328.html

The "WASH, RINSE, REPEAT" thread is an overview of how to deal with encounters you experienced. Mainly, police interaction and it's various levels. Again, even if you chose to never again OC, this information is benificial.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/17262.html

DOA33
11-04-2008, 13:59
OCed when voting this morning thats right I OCed. Even showed them my CHL as my ID. No one got up and ran screaming man with gun, no SS teabaging me to the floor. Just reg, sat down filled in the bubbles, fed the machine, and left. Oh and I got my sticker:tongueout:

itsnitro
11-04-2008, 15:43
It's doubtful that they had legitimate reasonable suspicion for detaining you. Getting that information (their actual RS) would probably take a FOIA request. GreenDrake is correct that you have a possible/probable 4th Amendment violation and cause for a lawsuite. When they ordered you to turn around and place your hands on your head, you were effectively being detained. When they seized your weapon, you were effectively being detained. Without valid reasonable suspicion, that was a violation of your rights.


The police are building a reputation of intimidating citizens into not open carrying. While that intimidation worked in your case, there is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid legal entanglements, as it consumes time, and finances.

Have you visited opencarry.org, and if so have you read the Michigan section's threads, "MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO", and "WASH, RINSE, REPEAT"? Even if you never OC again, you should still read those two threads. Just because you chose to conceal from now on, doesn't mean this can't happen to you again. Knowing your rights, as well as the law is outlined in the "MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO" thread. That knowledge is beneficial to OC'ers and CC'ers alike.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13328.html

The "WASH, RINSE, REPEAT" thread is an overview of how to deal with encounters you experienced. Mainly, police interaction and it's various levels. Again, even if you chose to never again OC, this information is benificial.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/17262.html

Well being that they received a call properly along the lines of Man with a gun, they took precautionary & procedural method's to make sure he wasn't a criminal who was about to rob the store. They were doing their investigation and had a right to detain him for however long necessary. I do not think a lawsuit is in order, maybe a letter to the chief explaining what happen and see what s/he has to say about it. But be polite about it.

That's my two cent's....

<-----Not a cop or Lawyer

TheEggman
11-04-2008, 16:22
Here in VA the mere act of being seen openly carrying a firearm does not constitute RAS or PC. Mileage in other states may vary.

911 How may I assist you?
There's a man in the bank with a gun.
Is he pointing the gun mam?
No, he has it in a holster on his hip.
Is he threatening anyone?
No, he's just standing in line, with a gun on his hip.
Thank you mam, we'll follow up.

Yes. the police will probably dispatch an officer to investigate the MWAG call, but unless they have RAS beyond the act of carrying, they are not supposed to stop, question, ID or hassle you in any way. Again, mileage in states other than VA will vary.

Blitzer
11-04-2008, 16:46
Here's some good advice, if possible, in your car, purchase used, good condition body armor and place it in between the door panels. I purchase new panels for my vest about every 3 years, and the old one's go into the doors.

I.M.O./U. :The moisture there between the door skin and inner panel will destroy the Kelvar's effectiveness in a few weeks to months if there is the slightest tear in the cover. :crying: :wow: :shocked:


Better to use strike plates of Steel or polypropylene instead.

theghostrider
11-04-2008, 23:30
Well being that they received a call properly along the lines of Man with a gun, they took precautionary & procedural method's to make sure he wasn't a criminal who was about to rob the store. They were doing their investigation and had a right to detain him for however long necessary. I do not think a lawsuit is in order, maybe a letter to the chief explaining what happen and see what s/he has to say about it. But be polite about it.

That's my two cent's....

<-----Not a cop or LawyerFirst, he was detained. He was ordered to, "turn around and put his hands on his head". That constitutes being detained because a reasonable person would believe that in that situation they would not be allowed to leave. He also had his gun seized. Again, a reasonable person would see that as not being free to leave. There is not doubt that he was being detained.

Second, for any officer to detain someone, that officer must be able to articulate reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot. That means before detaining the subject, not after the fact. “Reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot” means that the officer can articulate a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is about to be committed, or is in the process of being committed. Without reasonable suspicion, the detainment is invalid, and unlawful, as it violates the 4th Amendment. This is what is sometimes referred to as a Terry Stop, at which time an officer may do a search for any weapons, for officer safety. After the stop the officer must return any lawful items seized during the Terry Frisk.

Third, Man With A Gun (MWAG) calls, and an openly carried handgun, do not meet the requirement of reasonable suspicion in Michigan. In Texas, yes, but not in Michigan since OC is legal.

That isn’t “my two cents”, it’s the law.

Another thing, they may not “detain him for however long necessary”. Anything over 20 minutes without an arrest or summons, and I’m fairly confident that the defense lawyer is going to make an issue about it before a judge.

Of course the officers can do anything they want in the streets or public. However, once they get to the courtroom, they will be held accountable for those actions.

Like I said, learning the RS for the stop would probably require an FOIA request, or maybe just a copy of the police report. However, based on what the poster reported, it sounds like they violated his 4th Amendment rights. I realize that’s a judgment call on my part since we have no independent source for verification of the officers’ reasonable suspicion, so I’m just basing the comments on the poster’s report. They might be able to get away with saying that, “they didn’t detain him for OC, because they were just asking him about it’s legality to ascertain his knowledge of the laws relating to it.” however, they still must have reasonable suspicion and MWAG is not it in this state.

Pyzik
11-05-2008, 08:28
It's doubtful that they had legitimate reasonable suspicion for detaining you. Getting that information (their actual RS) would probably take a FOIA request. GreenDrake is correct that you have a possible/probable 4th Amendment violation and cause for a lawsuite. When they ordered you to turn around and place your hands on your head, you were effectively being detained. When they seized your weapon, you were effectively being detained. Without valid reasonable suspicion, that was a violation of your rights.


The police are building a reputation of intimidating citizens into not open carrying. While that intimidation worked in your case, there is nothing wrong with wanting to avoid legal entanglements, as it consumes time, and finances.

Have you visited opencarry.org, and if so have you read the Michigan section's threads, "MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO", and "WASH, RINSE, REPEAT"? Even if you never OC again, you should still read those two threads. Just because you chose to conceal from now on, doesn't mean this can't happen to you again. Knowing your rights, as well as the law is outlined in the "MICHIGAN OPEN CARRY INFO" thread. That knowledge is beneficial to OC'ers and CC'ers alike.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13328.html

The "WASH, RINSE, REPEAT" thread is an overview of how to deal with encounters you experienced. Mainly, police interaction and it's various levels. Again, even if you chose to never again OC, this information is benificial.

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/17262.html
Thank you for your knowledge and providing information on this subject.

I have not been to the site, I knew of it, but had never visited.
I am going to take a look at the threads you suggested and likely browse around.

I hate to sound like I was scared into never OCing again or that I am backing down from my rights, but the hassle and embarrassment was frustrating.

Depending on what I read and how bold I feel I may OC again (because I do feel like I am giving up on my right).

Beware Owner
11-05-2008, 08:31
First, he was detained. He was ordered to, "turn around and put his hands on his head". That constitutes being detained because a reasonable person would believe that in that situation they would not be allowed to leave. He also had his gun seized. Again, a reasonable person would see that as not being free to leave. There is not doubt that he was being detained.

Second, for any officer to detain someone, that officer must be able to articulate reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot. That means before detaining the subject, not after the fact. “Reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot” means that the officer can articulate a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is about to be committed, or is in the process of being committed. Without reasonable suspicion, the detainment is invalid, and unlawful, as it violates the 4th Amendment. This is what is sometimes referred to as a Terry Stop, at which time an officer may do a search for any weapons, for officer safety. After the stop the officer must return any lawful items seized during the Terry Frisk.

Third, Man With A Gun (MWAG) calls, and an openly carried handgun, do not meet the requirement of reasonable suspicion in Michigan. In Texas, yes, but not in Michigan since OC is legal.

That isn’t “my two cents”, it’s the law.

Another thing, they may not “detain him for however long necessary”. Anything over 20 minutes without an arrest or summons, and I’m fairly confident that the defense lawyer is going to make an issue about it before a judge.

Of course the officers can do anything they want in the streets or public. However, once they get to the courtroom, they will be held accountable for those actions.

Like I said, learning the RS for the stop would probably require an FOIA request, or maybe just a copy of the police report. However, based on what the poster reported, it sounds like they violated his 4th Amendment rights. I realize that’s a judgment call on my part since we have no independent source for verification of the officers’ reasonable suspicion, so I’m just basing the comments on the poster’s report. They might be able to get away with saying that, “they didn’t detain him for OC, because they were just asking him about it’s legality to ascertain his knowledge of the laws relating to it.” however, they still must have reasonable suspicion and MWAG is not it in this state.

May I ask, are you an officer?

TheEggman
11-05-2008, 09:01
If you are 'illegally' detained, searched, or generally hassled ...

Right or wrong, the LEO is the one in the position of Power and Authority "DURING THE ENCOUNTER."

Even if asked to do something that you KNOW is a violation of your rights, you should comply, BUT DO SO UNDER PROTEST!

"Yes officer, I will show you my I.D. if you are demanding it, but I will do so only under protest as I believe you do not have cause to demand it. Are you demanding my ID?"

"Under [insert law/amendment/etc here] I am not required to do this". I will, however cooperate completely, but please be advised that I am doing so under protest and firmly believe that what you are asking me to do is wrong."

The scene of an encounter, where the officer DOES have the upper hand (right or wrong) is NOT always the proper place to get 'bullish' about your rights, but it is the place to tactfully inform those in authority that you believe they are being violated.

If you believe you or your rights have been abused, the Courtroom is the place to get bullish, stand up for what you believe is right and make your demands for resolution.

The officer may have mistreated you out of prejudice, spite, or just ignorance of the law. Though their actions may have been wrong, they MIGHT have thought they were correct.

In either case, you owe it to both yourself and others to help 'educate' the officer. If he continues to believe he is right, he will continue his wrongful actions -- not necessarily out of bad motives or because he is a bad officer, but just because a bit of education is needed.


JMHO

Egg

DOA33
11-05-2008, 14:24
OCed today getting a haircut. There were two ladies in there when I walked in. I sat at the chair and both got scared looks on them when they saw my gun since I had to adjust to sit. The woman who cuts my hair asked "are you going to get rob?" I said no just carrying like always. She then said “you must have a lot of cash to carry" nope I said all I have is $3 in my pocket, I carry because I value my life. By this time the other woman was getting I could kill you looks at me. I stared back; she asked if I was a cop. No I'm just your everyday citizen who enjoys his rights. Well don’t you need a permit to do that? I said to OC no but if I want to CC then yes. A few minutes later the one who gave me the look left. I asked the woman who was cutting my hair about her. She told me she is a HUGE anti who believes no one should carry and shouldn't have a gun in the house, but for me I could care less I have guns but don't carry. That’s about as far as we went since other customers were coming in. Hopefully next time I can talk to her more about carrying.

theghostrider
11-05-2008, 15:11
May I ask, are you an officer?No, and I'm not a lawyer either.

theghostrider
11-05-2008, 16:12
Thank you for your knowledge and providing information on this subject.

I have not been to the site, I knew of it, but had never visited.
I am going to take a look at the threads you suggested and likely browse around.

I hate to sound like I was scared into never OCing again or that I am backing down from my rights, but the hassle and embarrassment was frustrating.

Depending on what I read and how bold I feel I may OC again (because I do feel like I am giving up on my right).
There's no shame in getting persuaded into not exercising your rights. OC isn't for everybody, and it's MHO that those who do it in our state should be prepared to deal with adversity when doing it. Not everybody wants that. Some people want to go about their daily business without having to educate the masses, or LE. There's no shame in that.

itsnitro
11-05-2008, 16:34
First, he was detained. He was ordered to, "turn around and put his hands on his head". That constitutes being detained because a reasonable person would believe that in that situation they would not be allowed to leave. He also had his gun seized. Again, a reasonable person would see that as not being free to leave. There is not doubt that he was being detained.

Second, for any officer to detain someone, that officer must be able to articulate reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot. That means before detaining the subject, not after the fact. “Reasonable suspicion that a crime is afoot” means that the officer can articulate a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is about to be committed, or is in the process of being committed. Without reasonable suspicion, the detainment is invalid, and unlawful, as it violates the 4th Amendment. This is what is sometimes referred to as a Terry Stop, at which time an officer may do a search for any weapons, for officer safety. After the stop the officer must return any lawful items seized during the Terry Frisk.

Third, Man With A Gun (MWAG) calls, and an openly carried handgun, do not meet the requirement of reasonable suspicion in Michigan. In Texas, yes, but not in Michigan since OC is legal.

That isn’t “my two cents”, it’s the law.

Another thing, they may not “detain him for however long necessary”. Anything over 20 minutes without an arrest or summons, and I’m fairly confident that the defense lawyer is going to make an issue about it before a judge.

Of course the officers can do anything they want in the streets or public. However, once they get to the courtroom, they will be held accountable for those actions.

Like I said, learning the RS for the stop would probably require an FOIA request, or maybe just a copy of the police report. However, based on what the poster reported, it sounds like they violated his 4th Amendment rights. I realize that’s a judgment call on my part since we have no independent source for verification of the officers’ reasonable suspicion, so I’m just basing the comments on the poster’s report. They might be able to get away with saying that, “they didn’t detain him for OC, because they were just asking him about it’s legality to ascertain his knowledge of the laws relating to it.” however, they still must have reasonable suspicion and MWAG is not it in this state.

Thank you very much for your reply and information provided.

JohnHoliday
11-09-2008, 00:45
I open carried for the first time last night!

I went to pick up tickets for a movie I was going to see later in the evening, and then went to blockbuster with a friend while he was looking for a movie.

As I walked up to the movie theater I saw a cop car pulled up on the sidewalk, which made me a bit nervous, I didn't really want to talk to LEO the first time I was open carrying, but I never actually saw a cop, and just got my tickets and left.

Blockbuster was actually pretty crowded, there was about 15 people in it, and while I was pretty relaxed, I still felt a little weird.

However, no one seemed to notice at all, or at least not that I saw.

It was interesting to say the least.

WCrawford
11-09-2008, 00:50
I open carried for the first time last night!

I went to pick up tickets for a movie I was going to see later in the evening, and then went to blockbuster with a friend while he was looking for a movie.

As I walked up to the movie theater I saw a cop car pulled up on the sidewalk, which made me a bit nervous, I didn't really want to talk to LEO the first time I was open carrying, but I never actually saw a cop, and just got my tickets and left.

Blockbuster was actually pretty crowded, there was about 15 people in it, and while I was pretty relaxed, I still felt a little weird.

However, no one seemed to notice at all, or at least not that I saw.

It was interesting to say the least.

Like a great many things in life, you will become more at ease with open carrying the more you do it.

JohnHoliday
11-09-2008, 00:54
Like a great many things in life, you will become more at ease with open carrying the more you do it.

I've been doing it around my place lately, since its more comfortable then concealed carry when at home, and its nice to have it on my hip instead of just on a table close-by.

I'll start doing it more and more, and look forward to becoming more comfortable with it.

leVieux
11-09-2008, 12:56
It is such a sorry state when citizens are deprived of basic rights by politicians. Here in the ex "Big Easy", our wonderful Mayor Nagin has been told by everyone from the federal judge to the A.G. and the governor to knock it off; but the NOPD is still arresting folks for carrying open or concealed. They are fully aware that this is illegal, but continue to do it anyway. One of their latest scams is to confiscate pistols from licensed carriers, if the person isn't carrying a receipt for the gun's purchase. How many of us carry our original receipts with us? Now, with a new president on the way, this is bound to get worse.
My kid is a LEO in another city across the state. His department has told officers to ignore open carry, but, if a citizen complains "man with a gun", they are to tell the carrier to hide the weapon. If refused, they are to take the weapon, put the carrier in a squad car, take him/her to the P.D. and have them "talked-to" by an officer. Not arrested, though. Then, give the gun back and take the person back where they picked him up. Sounds nuts. The dept acknowledges that these activities are extralegal.
This is in a state where open carry has always been legal, both by law and under the constitution. And with state pre-emption.
In some jurisdictions, you will be arrrested but the charges will be promptly dropped. You get an arrest record, for illegal carry/possesion, even though it wasn't illegal.
leVieux

JohnHoliday
11-12-2008, 23:07
Open carried again tonight, went to get gas, and then picked up couple things at CVS. There was a fair amount of people there, and I'm pretty sure no one noticed I was carrying. I felt pretty comfortable.

Warp
11-18-2008, 10:05
Back on topic: I've been open carrying as usual, even at the crowded malls and shopping centers. Nothing worth reporting. :)

mrwilmoth
11-19-2008, 02:14
anyone open carrying in california?

BB62
11-19-2008, 09:58
It is such a sorry state when citizens are deprived of basic rights by politicians. Here in the ex "Big Easy", our wonderful Mayor Nagin has been told by everyone from the federal judge to the A.G. and the governor to knock it off; but the NOPD is still arresting folks for carrying open or concealed. They are fully aware that this is illegal, but continue to do it anyway. One of their latest scams is to confiscate pistols from licensed carriers, if the person isn't carrying a receipt for the gun's purchase...

Sounds like you (and the citizens you mention) should become acquainted with www.opencarry.org

Beware Owner
11-19-2008, 10:08
Recently I've only had a couple of people ask why I open carry, I tell them that it's the law, and in case somebody gets creative, I can get creative too.

FrogWithAGlock
11-19-2008, 17:23
Well, today was very interesting at Wal-Mart! :wow:

Went to to set up an account at the pharmacy. Opened carried G22 in a Sidearmor IWB, spare mag, Surefire, cell phone. Wore khakis and a polo shirt.

Now that's out of the way, store was busy, but no one said anything about anything - people did notice, but when I smiled, they all smiled back.

I walked around shopping, then headed to sporting goods for .40 WWB and a quick check out.

There was a young man behind the counter. He wore a ball cap turned backwards with the Marine Globe & Anchor stitched on the back.

He looked down at my pistol, "Is that a Glock 23?"

"No, it's a 22," I said. He asked what I needed and I told him.

"Sir, is this for a pistol? If so, you are going to be surprised by what I'm going to tell you, but I cannot sell you pistol ammo."

He asked for a moment to call for a manager. Now, for a split second, I thought it was the open carry. Then he started to explain while on the phone.

"Recently, Wal-Mart changed its policy on the sale of handgun ammo by associates under the age of 21. I am a Marine Reservist. I am old enough to bear arms for my Country and die doing it, yet I cannot be trusted to sell handgun ammunition. I own and open carry my own pistol because Virginia says it is my Right. Wal-Mart, on the other side, says I can't sell ammo to fellow citizens."

I reached out my hand, shook his, "Thank you for serving Marine."

At that moment the manager and an older sporting goods sales associate came up. The Marine explained to the manager I wanted ammo for my Glock, pointing to my belt. She looked there, nodded to me and said, "Sorry for the delay sir, but new policy doesn't allow some of our finest young associates to sell handgun ammo. They can wear they Uniform of a Marine, they can die for our Country, but they can't sell ammo. It is a disgrace to their good character."

"Ma'am, I agree." That's all I could say. I shook each one's hand and left.

As I walked away, the manager said, "You stay safe, sir."

"Yes ma'am, I shall do that."

Talk about walkin' tall and feeling proud!! I'd been in the company of real Americans.

:patriot:

Newbie ere, sorry to bump up an old post..... but Russ, your story just made me cry.

FrogWithAGlock
11-19-2008, 18:10
Executive Summary
Weapon: G23
Rig: CQC Serpa and Wilderness Instructor's belt
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Businesses: Wal-Mart, King Soopers, Denny's
Noteworthy: nothing :)

I live in Colorado Springs which I've seen a number of posts mention as pretty OC friendly, and our sheriff is certainly very pro-gun for citizens.

After reading numerous threads and posts with contributors such as RussP, Warp, atimetobuild and others I decided to make my first venture into OC.

Last week I purchased a Blackhawk CQC Serpa for my Glock 23, and I spent several days carrying concealed and becoming comfortable with it. Last night (evening of Memorial Day) I needed to run out and pickup a couple dozen items at the grocery store, so I peeled off the familiar comfort of the concealment shirt and decided to go for it.

It was 10pm when I got to Wal-Mart, so certainly not packed with the soccer mom crowd, but a pretty good number of customers, and lots of employees -- typically 2 stockers per aisle. I do believe a small number of people noticed, and the holster did pass several stockers around eye level as they stocked their shelves. I eventually paid and was on my way without a word.

There were a couple items that were not available at Wal-Mart, so I headed to King Soopers (grocery chain) for those, and a few more items the wife had now thought of. I also left there without any ado.

On the way home I made a stop at Denny's (for the pregnant wife) -- again uneventful.

All in all this transpired exactly as it should have. My appearance was clean, I was courteous to everybody, and anybody that did notice that I had a gun on my hip didn't make a commotion about it.

I don't think that I'll OC very regularly, but I'm glad that it's an option in Colorado, and I'm glad to have the 1st time out of the way.

I didn't realize CO was OC! KEWL!!

HMayes
11-19-2008, 18:18
I AM SO JEALOUS! I live in NY and open carrying is very very illegal. Apparently the politicians here have never read the constitution. :(

Jai9100
11-23-2008, 19:44
Hey, everyone. Love hearing about all the good OC stories, I read all the pages at work, I couldn't even concentrate my work.

I've had my MN carry permit for over a year.

My first OC was at a bar with a friend for lunch a short time after I received my permit. I could be considered a regular there, but the bartender/waitress that knew me well wasn't there that day and I had on my new Taurus 1911 in a Galco shoulder holster while I was dressed for office work. It wasn't busy, but got a few looks from patrons, but nobody ran out screaming. I didn't know the waitress, but she didn't blink an eye, got great service. It was funny, we were going to go to McDonalds, but it was entirely too busy, not to mention every LEO was having lunch there.

The second time was recently, I had a pre-order at a GameStop in Minneapolis and just didn't want to throw on my jacket. Same gun, same rig. They have two tills there and their was one employee helping only one customer. So I came to the counter with my slip in hand, as to prove I was going to give them money. A employee (I have a feeling he was the manager for that store) came out right away and helped me promptly, very nice, and didn't blink an eye. Everyone who pre-orders Mirrors Edge gets a shoulder bag modeled like the one in the game, so he ran back and picked up right away. Then I glanced at the other customer (on my magazine side) and he was looking me up and down. I gave him a half-smile, then he became un-interested.

No fuss either times. Another good thing was that shoulder bag became a perfect range bag, it had alot of pockets on the front, perfect for safety glasses and clips and was the perfect size to hole all my 11x17 printed targets.

solomansousana
11-24-2008, 11:19
I FINALLY have an open carry story, after carrying concealed since the 80's. I was on my way home the other night after a long day in the ER, and the wife was on her way home from her practice, neither of us wanted to cook so I decided to stop in at a seafood/steakhouse and pick up two big dinners for each of us with an additional order of shrimp and crab legs for her and since this establishment serves alcohol I had to take off my sport coat to go in and pick up our order, Thanks Virginia for your stupid rules we can carry open in a bar or restaurant that serves alcohol but are forbidden to carry concealed, anyway, it was dark enough inside I don't think anyone noticed my Raptor in it's Galco Miami Classic rig.