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Wp.22
03-26-2008, 23:51
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=news3_mar27_2008

Missing guns? Tell it to the Marines

A RETIRED Marine commandant and seven other people were charged before the anti-graft court yesterday over the unexplained disappearance of 77 sub-machine guns in June 2000.

The Ombudsman charged retired Brig. Gen. Percival Subala, now deputy administrator for port operations at the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority; Col. Cesar de la Peña, former Marines chief-of-staff; Navy Capt. Teodoro Briones; SPO4 Richard Zules; and private individuals Edelbert Uybuco, Gerardo Vijandre, Manuel Ferdinand Trinidad, and Michael Boregas with illegal disposition of firearms after it was discovered that 77 H&K MP5 sub-machineguns were missing.

In the charge sheet, the prosecution said the defendants conspired to divert the shipment of firearms to Trimark Ventures Trading Corp., which was the accredited supplier of firearms and ammunition to the police and the military. In October 2000, a police task force raided a beach resort in Subic, Zambales, and arrested members of a gunrunning syndicate. Some of these firearms turned out to be part of the 77 sub-machine guns that went missing, prosecutors said.

Macon Ramos Araneta

horge
03-27-2008, 00:48
So the PMC makes all this frickin hoopla in 2002 about refurbíng M3 grease guns,
playing "Mr. making do with what we've got", when they actually LOST seventy seven MP5 subguns??

Somebody PLEASE tell me there's no link between the M1911A1's missing from PA inventory,
and those refurbs beig flogged by Federal Gun Exchange.

h.

CatsMeow
03-27-2008, 01:16
So the PMC makes all this frickin hoopla in 2002 about refurbíng M3 grease guns,
playing "Mr. making do with what we've got", when they actually LOST seventy seven MP5 subguns??

Somebody PLEASE tell me there's no link between the M1911A1's missing from PA inventory,
and those refurbs beig flogged by Federal Gun Exchange.

h.

No, those 1911s could not have come from the PA inventory. They came from Vietnam where the Kanos left them, among others. The examples being sold (Choi and me got them) show signs of heavy rust pitting. The issue guns are in good condition, and have their original SNs; I've seen an original Colt issued to an officer (PA property with the stock no. plate still attached to the lanyard loop, otherwise I would have talked the officer into selling it to me:supergrin:). Besides, the PA wouldn't tolerate the fake slide markings which really got my goat.:steamed: That's why mine has a new slide, among others.

As an aside, at my smith I came across another 1911 from the same source with a spuriously marked slide exactly like mine, and only one digit from my SN: mine was xxxx70 while it had xxxx69. And gawd, the frame was BAD, heavily rough and pitted and missing all markings except for the SN. Hardly fit for PA issue.

horge
03-27-2008, 01:45
Well, that's a bloody relief. Thanks, CM.

Django
03-27-2008, 01:52
The $64 question is: Who owns Trimark Ventures Trading Corp.?

Evan N. Payawal
03-27-2008, 02:08
This case has been in the news for years, but this is the first time I've heard Marines implicated in this fiasco. Gun dealer sources tell me it's the main reason the Philippines was blacklisted for a while by Hk and the company refused to export any FAs directly to us.
I believe Hk is bound to abide by international smallarms trafficking agreements.

Wp.22
03-27-2008, 02:25
The $64 question is: Who owns Trimark Ventures Trading Corp.?

when my friend and i made a visit to their office in makati a couple of years ago to get the HK usp we ordered i saw a big as in big framed picture of senador bigotilyo famous from hiding and jumping ober da bakod.

i don't know if he is the owner or crush lang siya ng may ari at malaki siyang picture doon

CatsMeow
03-27-2008, 02:37
I think I know one of the civilians there...:whistling: Not the exact spelling but I think it's the same guy...

horge
03-27-2008, 03:10
Okay, hold on...

Mukhang malabo ang reporting.
This is what I was able to glean:


In 1997, PNP Chief Recaredo Sarmiento signed an "Authority to Import" 150 MP5A
subguns and other firearms and accessories, ostensibly for PNP SWAT
use. The letter was issued to firearms dealer P.B. Dionisio, but through
some dark magical process, the Letter wound up being used by firearms dealer
Trimark Ventures in 1999, to bring the guns in.

PNP SWAT didn't want 'em.

The 150 subguns were supposedly offered for contract-purchase to PMC in 2000.
The PMC however, supposedly only had funds to buy 78 of the guns, so
after proper registrations and transport permits were filled out and approved,
Then-PNP FED Chief Reynaldo Varilla allowed PMC personnel to withdraw the
paid-for 78 subguns from PNP-FED Armory.

The guns however, never made it to PMC Headquarters.

Later, five of these subguns turned up in a 2000 raid on Taiwanese gunrunners
near Subic in Zambales. The serial numbers matched those listed in both Trimark's
1999 importation, and the registration/transport papers issued in favor of the PMC.
Charges were filed against both Trimark and the PMC officers involved, but then
nothing came of it.

Trimark apparently continued to renew and use its license as a firearms dealer.

In April of 2002, Trimark once again tried to bring in a shipment of H&K guns,
including not just MP5's, but G36 battle rifles as well. The shipment was seized
for lack of proper import licenses, purchase permits or even a packing list (read:
this was a smuggling attempt).

Pressed to comment, Trimark once again waved around the old 1997 Letter
signed by ex-PNP Chief Sarmiento.

Customs officials revealed that this was the SEVENTH intercepted illegal shipment
of firearms by Trimark, all prior shipments having been abandoned by Trimark after
they were discovered by customs agents: apparently including the 150 MP5's back
in 1999, which were turned over to PNP-FED, which seems to have curiously then
legitimized them as having been imported by and stored for Trimark.

Seventh time caught was the charm.

In July 2002, PNP Chief Leandro Mendoza revoked Trimark's license to deal in firearms.
Trimark had listed its president as Ferdinand Manuel Trinidad, and this individual
is apparently among the respondents, in the case presently in the news.


Anyone with clarifications/corrections, please chime in.

h.

Poodle
03-27-2008, 06:10
Has anybody tried shooting the MP5? Must be sweet shooting 9 mm rounds in a submachinegun frame.

edtf
03-27-2008, 07:23
If I'm not mistaken an MP5 was recovered from an Abu Sayyaf who was KIA years years ago and it was traced back to Trimark too. I think it was part of the marines shipment that was returned but was channeled elsewhere. This is really bad!! weapons meant for our soldiers are used to kill them :steamed:
BTW, what happened to the Trimark people??

crazy_hans
03-27-2008, 07:46
If I'm not mistaken an MP5 was recovered from an Abu Sayyaf who was KIA years years ago and it was traced back to Trimark too. I think it was part of the marines shipment that was returned but was channeled elsewhere. This is really bad!! weapons meant for our soldiers are used to kill them :steamed:
BTW, what happened to the Trimark people??

sir edtf nasa pinas tyo so i'm guessing that nothing will happened.remember Garcia?the former comptroller nga afp?miilions ang nakuha and got 2years for it if i'm not mistaken.or you can be lucky not to spend a minute in jail and get a pardon from the president after years of hiding.nothing's new.

isuzu
03-27-2008, 20:18
If memory serves me right, a high-ranking Marine I believe, was forced to resign when he uncovered the missing MP-5s during that period.

On the other hand, a family friend who worked with then-SBMA chairman Dick Gordon, had the firearms inventoried before they left Subic when Payumo took over. He told me that all the firearms were intact when they left their offices. He said that among the SBMA firearms were HK MP5s.

isuzu
03-27-2008, 20:19
Has anybody tried shooting the MP5? Must be sweet shooting 9 mm rounds in a submachinegun frame.


It's a very good submachinegun. It groups well even in full-auto.

deenoh
03-27-2008, 22:21
Horge, I think you mean PNP-FED Chief

Okay, hold on...
Then-PNP Chief Reynaldo Varilla allowed PMC personnel to withdraw the
paid-for 78 subguns from PNP-FED Armory.

horge
03-28-2008, 01:28
Horge, I think you mean PNP-FED Chief

:wow:
Thanks, Dino!

cebupistol
03-28-2008, 02:48
Can somebody clarify a bit the story?

From a different newspaper, i've read thatthe shipment was diverted from delivery to the PMC to their store but it did not indicate if the firearms were already paid for or if it was just loophole to be able to import it and later on get it out from the FED armory to be sold to civilians.

Can somebody confirm if PMC has actually paid for the firearms?

horge
03-28-2008, 03:11
That's PART of the 64 peso question.
But answering it entirely is going to take a lot of hard investigation:

It seems to have been a conspiracy between persons in TriMark, in PNP-FED and in the PMC.
Once tere's that kind of broad-spectrum corruption, what's our remaining reference point,
reliable-documentation wise, to tell us whether something was actually paid or not?
All documentation from the three sides is suspect.

It almost doesn't even matter whether the guns took a pitstop at Trimark after
disappearing on the way to PMC, (up til they wound up with various unsavories, from
Taiwanese gunrunners to Muslim or Communist insurgents). Bottom line is that Customs
--the only straight shooters in this crosseyed clusterfrick-- says that Trimark tried
7 times to smuggle in guns, and that record certainly includes the MP5's in question.
Those MP5's were seized and turned over to PNP-FED.

These were seized goods.

Set aside whether Trimark should have been charged immediately. (like, duh?)
Set aside whether Trimark's firearms-dealer llicense should have been revoked there and then. (like, come on...)
I'm asking why, if I understand this all rightly, did FED designate the seized guns
as being Armory-stored Trimark merchandise?

They'd have to have been "Trimark merchandise", for the Trimark-PMC sale to commence, neh?
They'd have to have been, for FED to process the guns reg/lic papers as such.

Varilla made it all the way to Deputy Director, PNP, before retiring very recently.
That's when they looked into reviving the case against all respondents:
Trimark's Trinidad, PMC officers, etc... but one of the original respondents,
Varilla, seems to have now been excluded.

h.

chowchow
03-28-2008, 12:17
Its bound to happen when hot stuff like these comes ashore. I bet theres always someone with enough cash who wants a SMG lalo na polticians and big business.

In AFP parlance, I dont sacrifice my life for nothing..

brawnless
03-29-2008, 06:01
Are all those MP5's loose?

What would happen if some civillian would renew his license and records show that his MP5's serial number are among those that were "lost"?

isuzu
03-29-2008, 09:39
Are all those MP5's loose?

What would happen if some civillian would renew his license and records show that his MP5's serial number are among those that were "lost"?

It gets confiscated by the government. In the case of a friend who had an M1 Carbine that he applied for amnesty, it turned out that his carbine was government property, based on records dating back to the 1950's. He had to turn over the carbine to the provincial command.

bulm540
03-29-2008, 13:32
Has anybody tried shooting the MP5? Must be sweet shooting 9 mm rounds in a submachinegun frame.

It is a good submachinegun. Hardly any recoil.

atmarcella
03-29-2008, 22:46
way back 2002 i deposited 20k to trimark ventures for a usp compact 40. after a while i saw in the news that their shipment was confiscated. after a month i followed up on my order. they gave me the run around. i called the owner. ferdinand trinidad. after 2 years they gave back my money.

IMO and from stories from trimark staff. they smuggled in the firearms bcos during the time of erap malakas sila sa taas. when the guns arrived erap was no longer in power. so the guns went to glorias people. some of glorias people sold the guns they got to unscrupulous people for exorbitant amounts. and thats the simple answer to the $64 question.

isuzu
03-29-2008, 23:49
Was this the same company that "imported" HK G36s with spare barrels during the time of Erap that ended up somewhere else?

Kaiser Soze
03-30-2008, 03:09
This case has been in the news for years, but this is the first time I've heard Marines implicated in this fiasco. Gun dealer sources tell me it's the main reason the Philippines was blacklisted for a while by Hk and the company refused to export any FAs directly to us.
I believe Hk is bound to abide by international smallarms trafficking agreements.

I'm just glad that HK finally found a new supplier for their pistols, and that they're opening shops/dealership partner ships with established gunstores around the Philippines.

Clusterbomb
03-30-2008, 18:13
What I miss about Trimark is the fact that there were other things to OGLE at sa kanilang booth- ha-ha! Any hot-blooded male gun afficionado will not miss the Trimark booth.