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atmarcella
04-08-2008, 10:27
counter insurgency+training aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano)

chowchow
04-08-2008, 11:50
Okey!! Cute !:supergrin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/EMB_314_2.jpg/300px-EMB_314_2.jpg

Itong mga junk C130s ng PAF sa Cebu, puede pa yata ito e refurbished?

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z140/elbarcenas/DSC_5438.jpg

vega
04-08-2008, 13:01
Parang P-41 Flying Tiger.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/Dec2006/tigers03.jpg

gen1
04-08-2008, 15:24
according to the wikipedia article lumalabas na approx 10million USD ang isa.

magkano kaya yan kung may tong-pats ? :lol:

ess45
04-08-2008, 17:25
Phil. Air Force, 99% air, 1% force daw.

isuzu
04-08-2008, 18:47
I thought the US paid most of the cost to refurbish the C-130s that were "mothballed" by the PAF. The government would only pay a token amount of $100,000 for each aircraft that is repaired in Malaysia. I believe we now have a total of ten flying C-130s (both refurbished and given by the US Armed Forces). The worst number that we had was two flying C-130s when relationship between the US and the Philippines became cold due to the bases issue.

I doubt that those C-130s and Nomads parked in Mactan Airbase would still be salvageable. The airport is near the sea, and corrosion is a big factor to consider when thinking about rebuilding those aircraft.

Sayang.

BTW, Canada is set to retire its fleet of C-130H and replace them with the J version. Their F5s were even scrapped because there were no takers.

Clusterbomb
04-08-2008, 19:59
I I believe we now have a total of ten flying C-130s (both refurbished and given by the US Armed Forces)...

...The airport is near the sea, and corrosion is a big factor to consider when thinking about rebuilding those aircraft.

Sayang.



If we now have 10 operational C-130s then that's good. I just hope they allocate enough money to maintain the fleet in ready, tip-top condition. I heard it costs a hell lot of money to maintain one. Talagang sayang kung pababayaan uli.

Yes corrosion would have defintely set in. Salt spray carried by the air can wreak havoc to metal stuff in a wide area. That's why in the States they mothball planes in selected desert areas known for their absence of humidity. May balot pa- parang cocoon.

CatsMeow
04-08-2008, 22:23
Okey!! Cute !:supergrin:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/EMB_314_2.jpg/300px-EMB_314_2.jpg

Itong mga junk C130s ng PAF sa Cebu, puede pa yata ito e refurbished?

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z140/elbarcenas/DSC_5438.jpg

Those planes used to sit at the Mactan (Benito Ebuen) Air Base tarmac until last year's ASEAN summit, when they were transferred to the location shown. Either they want to make room for the VIP's planes, or they want to hide our "Air Farce", to avoid any snide comments from those heads of state about how easy it would be to overrun the Philippines. Either way, those planes are cannibalized to keep those in service flying.

There used to be some vintage C-123s when I first landed in Mactan; only one is left and is on display.

chowchow
04-08-2008, 23:25
10 operational C130s , at least meyron. Marami tayong aspiring pilots from the PMA.

CatsMeow
04-09-2008, 03:00
Well, we do have these:

Rockwell OV-10 Bronco

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Philippines---Air/North-American-Rockwell/1008178&photo_nr=78&prev_id=1015174&next_id=1007557&size=L

SIAI-Marchetti SF-260TP (not to be confused with the jet from the same company in which we lost many pilots)

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Philippines---Air/SIAI-Marchetti-SF-260TP/1003679&photo_nr=80&prev_id=1007557&next_id=1003654&size=L

And a real treat, a Bronco flying formation with a C-130.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Philippines---Air/Lockheed-C-130H-Hercules/1007557&photo_nr=79&prev_id=1008178&next_id=1003679&size=L

BrassKnuckle
04-09-2008, 03:00
counter insurgency+training aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano)

Clicked the link and read the article. Nice!

It was interesting to see that Blackwater was listed as a user (under the u

BrassKnuckle
04-09-2008, 03:01
counter insurgency+training aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano)

Clicked the link and read the article. Nice!

It was interesting to see that Blackwater was listed as a user (under the US) right next to some South American countries.

cebuboy
04-09-2008, 05:00
Our "flying C-130" is down to only 4 planes and 1 of them is undergoing IRAN

chowchow
04-09-2008, 07:53
4 C130s lang? Most troops and cargo will go by ship then.

cebuboy
04-09-2008, 08:22
4 C130s lang? Most troops and cargo will go by ship then.

Yup, 4 in flying condition during the time that picture was taken, around 2 weeks ago and 1 is under some kind of repair.

chowchow
04-09-2008, 09:34
Most of these are parking at the tarmac so even 4 can do the airlift requirements of the AFP. Besides it doesnt take long to make two trips in a day for one aircraft if emergencies arise.

horge
04-09-2008, 15:57
Actually IIRC PAF was down to two Hercs, somewhat recently upped to three
operational. The funds for a fourth (refurb) have been set aside, but nothing
has happened in the 2 years since.

All the other Herc airframes in possession are BER even with US support.
Got little to do with salt corrosion, though.

isuzu
04-09-2008, 20:26
US Special Forces C-130 Combat Shadow:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc283/isuzu_pickup/625-1.jpg
It's a delight to witness the startup of the C-130. The APU starts up, followed by the engines. It's nice to see the engine gauges come to life. :)

I've been inside a C-130 Combat Shadow of the Special Forces that was on static display at the Lethbridge Airshow last year. It's got lots of equipment inside, and it can also refuel other aircraft in midair. I spoke to the pilot about comparing the C-130 he was flying to the C-130J, and he is not comfortable with having to use an aircraft in combat missions that is highly computerized.

US Navy Carrier-Based AWACS:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc283/isuzu_pickup/631.jpg

US Navy Prowler:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc283/isuzu_pickup/634.jpg

B-25 Mitchell:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc283/isuzu_pickup/640.jpg

cebuboy
04-10-2008, 04:51
It's a delight to witness the startup of the C-130. The APU starts up, followed by the engines. It's nice to see the engine gauges come to life. :)


I was told that 1 engine needs about a drum of gas to start up, thats about 4 drums or 200k for starting up a C-130... Compared to a huey which consumes about a drum of gas for an hours flight, the herc is thirsty :)

isuzu
04-10-2008, 18:14
I was told that 1 engine needs about a drum of gas to start up, thats about 4 drums or 200k for starting up a C-130... Compared to a huey which consumes about a drum of gas for an hours flight, the herc is thirsty :)

That's true with military aircraft which is geared toward performance. Just observe a C-130 taking off. You could see a black trail of smoke from its engines. Aircraft engines are usually inefficient at ground level, but are very efficient the higher the altitude. That is why the propellers of the C-130J have been redesigned for fuel efficiency.

Even the Fokker 50 that PAL used to fly was never a revenue-generating aircraft even when fully-loaded. It was based on a military design with performance as its main goal.

CatsMeow
04-10-2008, 20:13
I wonder if the C-130J dispensed with the flight engineer position, like all the new airliners beginning with the 747-400. I saw a video of the start procedure on a C-130H and it was a three-man job (AC, copilot and flight engineer).

The EA-6B and the E-2 Hawkeye, as well as the F-14, need a "huffer" cart to crank their engines as they don't have APUs.

As an aside, all wartime B-25 pilots have hearing problems owing to the propellers and engine exhausts so near the cockpit. One called it the loudest plane he ever flew.

isuzu
04-10-2008, 21:53
There is no third man in the J version. The pilot of the Combat Shadow that I spoke with said that the J's system is simplified but too computerized.

Yup, the B-25 was a loud aircraft. I remember there was a raffle and the winner got to ride the B-25 while performing in the airshow.

The intake port on top of the AWAC's fuselage is used to cool down the electronics equipment inside the plane. Also take note of the AWAC's engine nacelles to the C-130's, indicating similar engines.

CatsMeow
04-10-2008, 22:41
I wonder where our AT-28s ("tora-toras") went. At least one is in Australia, painted in USAF decals, but with the emblem of its last PAF squadron still on the tail. I saw one sitting at the airport near the old Villamor Airbase gate (now long gone) years ago, devoid of all military paint, but it was the place where planes "go to die", that is, where they get scrapped. Hope it was the one that is now in Australia.

Clusterbomb
04-13-2008, 21:35
I wonder where our AT-28s ("tora-toras") went.

There's another one on display at the Villa Escudero grounds.

The last time we were there, there was this bunch of American tourists. A guy in his fifties kept eyeing the plane in detail. He circled it several times and each time he stopped to pause, he kept saying, "It's so small!" He probably couldn't believe how his granddaddies made do with such primitive planes in the old days.

Poodle
04-14-2008, 17:10
would anybody happen to know what type of military transport aircraft was used in the film "Air America" starring Mel Gibson? If I'm not mistaken, it was twin engined.

horge
04-14-2008, 18:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eYZcGnSHoo

Fairchild C-123 "Provider"...
and I'm still stoked over the great Herc-yard photos cebuboy posted.
:)

Poodle
04-14-2008, 19:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eYZcGnSHoo

Fairchild C-123 "Provider"...
and I'm still stoked over the great Herc-yard photos cebuboy posted.
:)

Thanks. Did the PAF have the C-123 in its inventory once before?

CatsMeow
04-14-2008, 19:42
Yes, we did. I remember when I was a kid in the late 70s, there was a time when one was landing at the Dumaguete airport, and in circling it always passed right over our house in the south of the city. The roar of its twin R-2800s was intoxicating. I thought it was some sort of flying boat. Turned out that the thingies hanging from the wings were jet engines used to assist the plane, a common practice in USAF piston-engined aircraft in the 50s. That made it, to be exact, a C-123K. There's still one left, sitting in the Mactan Airbase as an exhibit, in a rather sorry state, together with a thoroughly gutted GAF Nomad. If you happen to pass by the base you can see its tall tail sticking out. I'll try to get a photo of it.

The plane used in "Con Air" was also a C-123. So was the plane from which Bruce Willis ejected in "Die Hard 2", although it was fitted with four "jet engines". A Thai AF plane also featured in "Operation Dumbo Drop".

As a bit of trivia, it was first developed as a glider, but then it got two engines and was manufactured by Fairchild, who incidentally developed the AR-10 which evolved in our present-day AR-15/M16. Fairchild merged with Republic and then produced the famous A-10 Warthog.

Clusterbomb
04-15-2008, 03:42
Didn't the Aboitiz company have a C-130 before? For a private company, it must have been earning enough to spend for its upkeep.

Speaking of monster haulers, what I'd like to see is the Russian MI-26 transport helicopter. Eight blades & two turbofan engines- what a brute!

horge
04-15-2008, 03:53
Didn't the Aboitiz company have a C-130 before? For a private company, it must have been earning enough to spend for its upkeep.

The whole nature of military use is that profitbility goes out the window:
A commercial outfit will keep a plane in optimally-profitable use.

The same type of asset in military hands might spend months on end
doing nothing for lack of missions, all the while eating up a lot of money
in maintenance and diagnostics.

Even when on-mission, military cargo is often not optimized for fuel economy and airframe conservation:
A military transport will often deliver a force package, then go back to base nearly EMPTY
(to pick up and deliver the next batch of men/materiel).
A commercial flight would always have passengers/cargo both ways.

:)

CatsMeow
04-15-2008, 04:27
Here it is:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aboitiz-Air-Transport/Lockheed-C-130A-Hercules/1022100&photo_nr=69&prev_id=1044858&next_id=1021276&size=L

Another one, without its props...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aboitiz-Air-Transport/Lockheed-C-130A-Hercules/0799409&photo_nr=177&prev_id=0806974&next_id=0795864&size=L

I read somewhere that it was sold to another company overseas. I think this is an early C130A as shown by its three-bladed props.

isuzu
04-15-2008, 19:37
Didn't the Aboitiz company have a C-130 before? For a private company, it must have been earning enough to spend for its upkeep.

Speaking of monster haulers, what I'd like to see is the Russian MI-26 transport helicopter. Eight blades & two turbofan engines- what a brute!

They had two very early version C-130s with three propeller blades that frequently landed at the Bacolod Airport during the late 80's carrying mostly prawns.

The airplane was so noisy (because of its three propeller blades) that it always woke me up. It usually arrived at dawn just in time to load prawns that have been harvested the day before.

CatsMeow
04-16-2008, 02:49
One of the planes in Mactan isn't even a C-130, it's an L-100, the civilian version of the C-130 as Lockheed Martin calls it. One difference as pointed out by a mechanic I spoke to is that the APU (auxiliary power unit) is called the GTD (ground turbine something...) in the L-100. The plane from which the commandos jumped in the movie "The Wild Geese" is an L-100 (hard to miss the big letters on the side of the fuselage:supergrin:). Lockheed calls the civilian C-130H the L-382.

The C-130A was used as a firebomber in the States, but the FAA pulled its certification after a crash due to structural failure, a defect which was found in all A models.

CatsMeow
04-16-2008, 22:21
For those who miss the Tora-Tora, here's a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpRSxlNQolg

Never mind the fruity English (or is it Australian?) accent of the commentator, the roar of the Wright R-1820 sure brings back memories...