Extended basepads - new and improved?

[Flexmoney]

I know this has been covered.

Are there some newer models of the extended base pads now?

Grams
Arrendondo
THE
Taylor Frelance
Dawson
?

How much are each adding to a mag now? I am mainly asking about the 40 caliber extensions for the drop-free (FML) mags. What is max capacity that everyone is getting? Will they run and seat with "one in the pipe"?

[Custom Glock Racing]

Taylor Freelance and THE have both added leangth to their basepads recently to take full advantage of the new 141.5mm rule. Both hold 20 in 40.

matt

[ryucasta]

Arredondo Accessories

http://www.arredondoaccessories.com/A_mag.htm?loppa=16802ff2140w49x691#glock

[Bongo]

The new Dawsons get +6, just in case a shooter feels that one more in the tube may help in a stage.

[jvinez]

I just got 3 new Dawson Pads and I'm getting 5 more rounds with them

[TeamGE]

Matt,
The USPSA mag lenght guage measures 141.25mm, not 141.5 for Limited class.
My base pad kits still hold 20 rounds, always have, always will.

[Custom Glock Racing]

Opps, Bevin caught my typo, it is 141.25mm and 171.25 for open.

matt

[macgregor45]

I must have missed something, my printed rulebook along with the rulebook on the USPSA website still says 140mm Limited, 170mm Open. Did it change?

[Flexmoney]

I don't think the rule has changed...

The method of measurement is generous, however. It is a "fit in the box" thing. The box allows for the slightly added length.

[Custom Glock Racing]

THe rule stayted the same but since you cant put an object 140.0mm into an obket that is 140.0mm the measuring tool (Made by EGW)is slightly longer, 141.25 and 171.25mm for Limited and Open. Most of the basepad makers lengthened their pads to maximize the allowable length.

http://www.geocities.com/davidwiz_2000/MagGauge2.JPG

[LoveGlocks]

Originally posted by Flexmoney
I know this has been covered.

Are there some newer models of the extended base pads now?

Grams
Arrendondo
THE
Taylor Frelance
Dawson
?

How much are each adding to a mag now? I am mainly asking about the 40 caliber extensions for the drop-free (FML) mags. What is max capacity that everyone is getting? Will they run and seat with "one in the pipe"?

Hello Flexmoney,

I have Grams Engineering base pads on my Para P16 and my Glock 20. They are 100% functional for me - never had a FTF with my mags with the Grams! I can get 20+1 in my Para and it runs all the time, every time.

For the Glock 20, I can get 20+1 also and need to tell one of my favorite stories. In 1996, I attended the USPSA Limited Nationals in Fredericksburg with my Glock 20. I learned about Grams extended base pads earlier but procrastinated (as usual) in ordering the pads until it was a week from leaving... I talked to Bevin on the phone, asked him to send me out a pair (full kits) for my Glock 20... they arrived a day or two before I left but work prohibited me from going to the range to test out the extended base pads.. I had no choice but to go without testing them... not a good idea but I don't shoot for a living so what the heck, right? Guess what? I went through the entire Nationals (all stages) using at least one or both of the mags with Grams pads and not a single malfunction! Of course, Glock had something to do with it as well :)

I ended up 146 out of 352 for my first Nationals (I was pleased). The following year, I went to my second Nationals (1997) and finished 98th out of 398 (top 100!)... again no malfunctions with my equipment (GLOCK and GRAMS)... just malfunctions with the shooter:(

I can't say enough about the Grams kits... when I need 20+1 for a field COF in USPSA Limited Division, using my Glock and need confidence that all 21 will fly, I use my Grams mags. Pure and simple.

I would recommend getting the full kit like I did because after all these years of use, the springs are still strong (I have not replaced them) and the followers do not show much sign of wear! Of course, your mileage may vary since I shoot a few different platforms and don't put as many rounds through the same gun as others might.

I won't tell you how a stovepipe malfunction cost me dearly in an Area match with my Glock 20... but it was not with a mag that sported a Grams base pad... it happened during a speed shoot no less (a jam on a 12 round stage is a KILLER)!

Anyway, just my two cents... there are other extended bases out there and they are good... you can't go wrong with Grams (full kit). Just because something is "new" doesn't mean it's necessarily better... it takes time to work out the BUGS!

I recommended Grams to my friend that has a few Para P14's and he has Grams on almost every Para P14 mag he owns... I think more than ten... (wow)! He swears by them too... this guy is fussy and dispises equipment malfunctions more than anyone I know!

Good luck!

[Flexmoney]

Thanks. It is hard to argue against anything from Beven Gramm. He does a shooter good.

[ryucasta]

Most of the magazine extensions that have been posted so far in this thread are quite good and I currently own just about all of them, but if your Glock magazine is a type one or two pre ban magazine a.k.a. Non-Drop Free the only extension to my knowledge that will work is the Taylor Freelance original style extension.

It has been my experience with Grams, Dawson and Arredondo extensions that they will not stay attached to the magazine since they were designed for type 3 Drop Free tubes which are longer and wider than the type 1 and type 2 tubes.

The following link will provide more details on the different type of tubes.

http://www.taylorfreelance.com/glockbase/magprobs.htm

[LoveGlocks]

Originally posted by ryucasta
Most of the magazine extensions that have been posted so far in this thread are quite good and I currently own just about all of them, but if your Glock magazine is a type one or two pre ban magazine a.k.a. Non-Drop Free the only extension to my knowledge that will work is the Taylor Freelance original style extension.

It has been my experience with Grams, Dawson and Arredondo extensions that they will not stay attached to the magazine since they were designed for type 3 Drop Free tubes which are longer and wider than the type 1 and type 2 tubes.

The following link will provide more details on the different type of tubes.

http://www.taylorfreelance.com/glockbase/magprobs.htm

Raul,

Perhaps I got lucky but I have two NFML (non-dropfree) Glock 20 mags that I have owned since early 90's and they have the Grams base pads (full kits) that Bevin set me up within 1996. I don't know if you are correct but my experience with these mags have been 100% and you can't get better than that.

Regards,
LoveGlocks

[ryucasta]

LoveGlocks,

I should have been more specific, since I ran into this problem with the G17 and G22 non drop free magazines. BTW, I actually spoke to Bevin (Grams Engineering) and Ralph (Arredondo Accessories) this weekend at Norco and they both told me the same thing that their extensions were not designed for the Non Drop Free magazines so if the extensions you have are working with your G20 consider yourself lucky and I'm happy for you since it been a bit of a nuisance for me to resolve this issue.

[LoveGlocks]

Originally posted by ryucasta
LoveGlocks,

I should have been more specific, since I ran into this problem with the G17 and G22 non drop free magazines. BTW, I actually spoke to Bevin (Grams Engineering) and Ralph (Arredondo Accessories) this weekend at Norco and they both told me the same thing that their extensions were not designed for the Non Drop Free magazines so if the extensions you have are working with your G20 consider yourself lucky and I'm happy for you since it been a bit of a nuisance for me to resolve this issue.

Whoa! Thanks Raul! I will hang onto these!

Good luck to you.

LoveGlocks (Frank)

[TeamGE]

Hi Raul.

Good to see you out shooting this last weekend, and I do remember our conversation about your NDF mags. You are right about my base pads not fitting your mags correctly. This is because you have the very first generation mags, and they have a smaller base pad lip then the 2nd., 3rd., and 4th. generation mags. The 2nd. generation mag is also a NDF mag, and is the same size as the 3rd. and 4th. generation mags,(DF) which my base pad kit is made to fit. This is why Frank (Hi Frank) is not having any problems with his 2nd. generation NDF mags. As far as I know, Taylor Freelance is the only manufacture to make a base pad to fit the 1st. generation mag. I hope this has cleared up any confusion. If not, just ask.

[glockster96]

Originally posted by ryucasta
Most of the magazine extensions that have been posted so far in this thread are quite good and I currently own just about all of them, but if your Glock magazine is a type one or two pre ban magazine a.k.a. Non-Drop Free the only extension to my knowledge that will work is the Taylor Freelance original style extension.

It has been my experience with Grams, Dawson and Arredondo extensions that they will not stay attached to the magazine since they were designed for type 3 Drop Free tubes which are longer and wider than the type 1 and type 2 tubes.

The following link will provide more details on the different type of tubes.

http://www.taylorfreelance.com/glockbase/magprobs.htm

Dawson makes an extension specifically for NDFs. I know, cause they accidently sent them to me when I ordered DFs.:)

[ryucasta]

Glockster96,

Thanks for the heads up on the Dawson base pads the one I had tried earlier were for second generation magazines a.k.a. Drop Free that a local retailer had in stock and unfortunately neither he nor I were aware of Dawson’s other offering.

After reading your response I went ahead and ordered four directly from Dawson and while they did fit the magazine tube unfortunately they would not work with my magazine well. I contacted Dawson customer service and the representative that I spoke to didn’t question my reasons for returning them and he also told me that they were in the process of redesigning them and that he would pass my comments to Dawson on how to improve the product. They definitely know how to treat a customer no need for CRM there.

To date the only extension that I have found that works with non drop free magazines be they first generation or transitional using an oversize brass magazine well (Refer to Attachment) is Taylor Freelance.

[glockster96]

I have also been very impressed with Dawson's customer servive. Top notch place. Sorry the pads didn't work out.