What do LEO prefer?

[markjones]

870 Police Mag?
Nova?
Mossberg :rofl:

Anyone know?

[Glockwork Orange]

870 Police Mag?
Nova?
Mossberg :rofl:

Anyone know?




I carry a Supernova in my patrol car although the 870 is probably the most numerous shotgun in use because it's the oldest, most dept's issue it, etc...doesn't make it better though...any quality shotgun will do the job!

[markjones]

It is a tactical model? How many shots does it hold? I only see the Turkey deal on gungroker.

[Branspop]

You will see far and away more 870s in LE. It is a proven and durable design. It is the standard that all other pumps are compared to. The trend is currently shifting away from shotguns all together in favor of the patrol rifle. I have both, because each has its window of use.

[Glockwork Orange]

It is a tactical model? How many shots does it hold? I only see the Turkey deal on gungroker.





Supernova Tactical w/ pistol grip stock...has Benelli +2 on it so it holds 6+1...

[Rex G]

I am not sure why the rolling-on-floor smiley is next to Mossberg. I like the 870P, which I bought for myself to use at work, but the Mossbergs work well enough, too. My present choices are 870 or Benelli M1 Super 90; we buy our own. I find the 870P to be smoother than the cheaper models, which is understandable, as the LE models get more attention in manufacture and QC.

[markjones]

I am not sure why the rolling-on-floor smiley is next to Mossberg. I like the 870P, which I bought for myself to use at work, but the Mossbergs work well enough, too. My present choices are 870 or Benelli M1 Super 90; we buy our own. I find the 870P to be smoother than the cheaper models, which is understandable, as the LE models get more attention in manufacture and QC.

I have owned two Mossberg’s and still have a 500 for the birds. I like them but they are no LEO gun. That’s for sure. Correct me if I am mistaken.

[volsbear]

Tactical nukes.

[Truckee]

I have owned two Mossberg’s and still have a 500 for the birds. I like them but they are no LEO gun. That’s for sure. Correct me if I am mistaken.

The 500s? Agreed, I wouldn't consider them for duty use. However, I've a 590A1 that is a fairly hale SG and wouldn't feel under equipped with it.

I cut my teeth on the 870 platform. Therefore, I'm a bit bias. An 870P rides with me.

The controls debate, 590 vs. 870, is fairly moot to me. Pistol gripped butt? The 870's safety wins. I like the fact that the 590's barrel will come off with the turn of it's mag tube cap. The Remi is a hassle to remove the tube clamp, remove the extension and then the barrel comes off... Remi should borrow that from Mossy.

[JohnJak]

What do LEO prefer?

My Remington and a good cup of joe and of course a doughnut.

[Truckee]

What do LEO prefer?

My Remington and a good cup of joe and of course a doughnut.

Mannnnnnnn... when that "HOT" light flashes on at the KK... it's Code-3 Bro!

{Oh, sorry for the hijack}

Back OT, I also rode a time with a Benelli M3. A really sweet shooter, but I could never warm up to its auto/pump deal.

[Rob96]

The Mossberg 500 doesn't cut it for LE use but cuts the mustard in an active war zone?????

[MoCop]

I also cut my teeth on the Rem 870 and am very familiar with it. Our dept issues the basic wingmaster with 4 in the tube. It may not hold as many shells as other tacticool models, but it sure is an attention getter when you have to rack one in the pipe!! :supergrin:

If my dept. were to issue me something else, I wouldn't mind as long as it worked.

MoCop

[Truckee]

The Mossberg 500 doesn't cut it for LE use but cuts the mustard in an active war zone?????

Although the 590 guns are "considered" branched from the 500 series of Mossys, they're different monsters.

I have a 500 and the 590A1 Heavy Barrel. They are, of course, similar, but my 590 is a healthier beast with several upgrades.

[Rob96]

There is no material difference between the 500 and 590. Both utilize the same barrels and receivers and other major components. There are actually more 500's in service than 590's. No 590A1's are in use by the US military. The 500's and 590's have been doing just fine ever since their adoption. Some say the extra weight of the 590A1 is totally unnecessary.

[Truckee]

There is no material difference between the 500 and 590. Both utilize the same barrels and receivers and other major components. There are actually more 500's in service than 590's. No 590A1's are in use by the US military. The 500's and 590's have been doing just fine ever since their adoption. Some say the extra weight of the 590A1 is totally unnecessary.

I knew this was going to be said by someone. Rob, you seem well versed. I wish to say that I generally agree with you and am not instigating a debate. The basic parts and function are alike in both series, agreed.

By discussions with Mossberg and "my" observations, I'll note some of the hard and fast conclusions between my 500 and 590A1. I understand that this is not 'all inclusive'... but, as said, I'm comparing 'mine.'

The 590A1 is heavy, especially when loaded.
Mine is the Heavy Barrel A1, which interesting enough, makes it not milspec. However, this shows that barrels are not equal across the board... and the Heavy is not available on the 500 series.
The 500's plastic trigger group vs. the 590s steel.
The 500's barrel bolt vs. the 590's screw capped mag tube.
The sport mag tube of the 500, extended on the 590.
The 500's plastic safety button compared to the 590's steel.
The plastic follower vs. the metal.
The spring loaded Action Bars of the 590.
The finish on the 590 is more durable, like parkerized, but unsure that it actually is. The internals are finished.
Ghost ring sights of the 590.
The 590's standard QDS studs.
Synthetic stocks on the 590.
Tolerances feel and appear tighter on the 590, although, I did not caliper anything.

So yes, IMO they're different beasts, while still being like. I would put the A1 into duty use and feel okay about it. But, I would not place 'my' 500 in 'my' trunk... thus, where my opinion and statement above was born.

[Rob96]

You are missing the point I was trying to make. There are more 500's in use in the sand box than 590's, and they are performing just fine.

[Truckee]

You are missing the point I was trying to make. There are more 500's in use in the sand box than 590's, and they are performing just fine.

I didn't really miss that reference... and yes, I believe you.
I was just making the point that differences do exist and I have a preference if a Mossy is going to ride with me.

[boomstik45]

One small thing to add: not all 590s have the metal trigger guard. The 590A1 does...the other 590s don't. And while there may be several 500s seeing military service, I figure that can only speak good for the 590....but what do I know?

[Truckee]

Let me see where I got sidetracked... juz for fun here...

The thread asked about LE preferred SG carry. I answered the 870P is mine based upon growing up on that platform and the Remi-P being a solid, tried, tested and trued gun. So... I have total confidence in the 4999 riding with me and the Remi gun is my choice.

The only Mossy that I can even begin to compare to the 870P is the 590A1. I own an A1.

Then, Rob insinuated that if the 500 is good enough for Iraq, then LE should be quite satisfied with that platform. The 590s do compare to the 500s, but only the A1 version 590 gets close to the 870P IMO.

I am aware that there are commercial production 590s, which do not sport the mentioned upgrades. I compared 'my' A1 to 'my' 500 and prejudiced them both against 'my' 870P. Therefore, based upon my prejudice for the 870P, the only Mossy I would even consider for duty use is the 590A1. I wasn't saying that the 500 was an inadequate gun. But for 'me' and my preferences of build, the 500 series is not my choice.

I think I've figured out the sidetrack :cool:

Now allow me to sidetrack once again. Rob claims that many 500s are working well in Theater. I have no doubt about that and I have no reservations that Rob knows of what he claims.

But, when I read that, I thought 'what if' that statement is akin to saying, "Bushmaster rifles are all over the battlefield and holding up just as well as the TDP rifle X."

For example, I understand Blackwater has a contract for Bushy rifles. Therefore, Bushmaster {et al} could claim (and do claim) that it's guns are servicing the battlefield. What's not mentioned is that Blackwater armors work those rifles before they reach combat and make many adjustments and upgrades... or so this is how I've come to understand the situation.

So... the "what if" here is... are the 500s used in battle receiving the same attention from armors as their Bushmaster counterparts? And likewise that fact is... let's say, being overlooked and unmentioned. Is the same 500 on Gander's rack seeing service on the battlefield or are they possibly only alike in model number? Of course, I don't know the answer, it was just a thought...?

I do read that the Bushmaster off of Cabela's rack is not seeing service in Iraq. Although both rifles can claim the same model number, the one in Iraq has been upgraded and tweaked.

It's too late for all this confusion :faint: :yawn:

[Rob96]

So... the "what if" here is... are the 500s used in battle receiving the same attention from armors as their Bushmaster counterparts? And likewise that fact is... let's say, being overlooked and unmentioned. Is the same 500 on Gander's rack seeing service on the battlefield or are they possibly only alike in model number? Of course, I don't know the answer, it was just a thought...?


Yes, the 500's that are seeing service are off the rack 500 SP's, which is the catalog name for that type. In the Mossberg Catalog it is either the 500 SP or the 590 SP. 500's are blued, 590's ar parked and the other small differences like end caps. I have also seen 590's with the plastic safety and trigger housing. I trust my life to a plastic Glock, I think the plastic trigger housing will be fine. If the safety bothers you, you can always get a vang Comp safety for the Mossbergs.

[Truckee]

Yes, the 500's that are seeing service are off the rack 500 SP's, which is the catalog name for that type. In the Mossberg Catalog it is either the 500 SP or the 590 SP. 500's are blued, 590's ar parked and the other small differences like end caps. I have also seen 590's with the plastic safety and trigger housing. I trust my life to a plastic Glock, I think the plastic trigger housing will be fine. If the safety bothers you, you can always get a vang Comp safety for the Mossbergs.

I suspected that to be the case, but I didn't know. So, I pondered the possibilities a little. And I am familiar with the "Special Purpose" line of Mossy.

I didn't mind the 500's plastic saftey button, until it broke that is. Didn't replace it with a Vang, but you can bet it was replaced with a metal button; oversized to be exact.

Comparing a plastic Glock is a bit of a different issue. A discussion for another time, or not. And 'yes,' I trust my life to Glock every day (almost).

Thanks for the chat and information. Keep safe,
Truck

[boomstik45]

Actually, Truckee, that's a very good point that you brought up. While the weapon models off the rack at the local gun emporium might be the same as though sent "in bulk" to the military, there is still no guarantee that internals are exactly the same or even remain the same.

For instance, the manufacturer could be receiving orders from the military to change a part or two here and there. Or, military armorers could be doing it upon receipt of the weapons. It's not like either party has to make this info known to the general public. That may sound like conspiracy theory, but we know things like this happen....all the time. And in a case like BlackWater and Bushmaster, it makes PLENTY of sense. In a real war zone, you need a weapon to either be full mil-spec or even better. Which means, NOT what can be had at the local gun spot (without extra dollar signs, that is).

Having said that, I don't see where the average police officer or citizen would do badly with a Mossberg 500 or 590, or Remington 870, 870P, etc. The 870P types are more refined and tougher...the idea is to make something that even several types of police officers will have trouble breaking (remember, we are all just like you....imperfect).

[Rob96]

I suspected that to be the case, but I didn't know. So, I pondered the possibilities a little. And I am familiar with the "Special Purpose" line of Mossy.

I didn't mind the 500's plastic saftey button, until it broke that is. Didn't replace it with a Vang, but you can bet it was replaced with a metal button; oversized to be exact.

Comparing a plastic Glock is a bit of a different issue. A discussion for another time, or not. And 'yes,' I trust my life to Glock every day (almost).

Thanks for the chat and information. Keep safe,
Truck


You keep safe as well.

[Bullman]

Well, I prefer my 500 over my 590, it is smaller, handier, and it has been to Vang Comp and performs wonderfully. I like the 590 too.

[Truckee]

Well, I prefer my 500 over my 590, it is smaller, handier, and it has been to Vang Comp and performs wonderfully. I like the 590 too.

Aww Bull, now let's be honest here...
you prefer your 500 because Vang got a couple of C-Notes off ya
..and..
you've finally gotten that single-point sling setup on it that you like!

juz a lil joshin' Bull

[Bullman]

Did you change user names on me????

And I set out with my 500 project to make a lighter handier shotgun. Gots me a nice oversize metal safety, Ghost Rings, and a cool tight shooting Vang barrel too.

[Bullman]

Maybe I am just mistaking you for someone else I know that lives up your way.