Kahr triggers

[jlh2600]

I understand there are two versions, the "Elite" found in all p/pm series, t and k elite models- except that now apparently ALL steel kahrs have the elite trigger?

Because I'm not finding too many explicitly labeled elite; fewer still elite AND NS's- but if all current k modes have the elite trigger anyways, I just need to make sure it is a late enough sn. So how can I tell? Kahr probably doesn't want us picking since they still have to sell their old K's first, but if anyone knows a good strategy for this please let me know.

Also, let's assume I get a non elite trigger. What specifically will I notice differently from my pm9? Just heavier, or not as smooth also? Just don't tell me that it has a longer travel than the elite. If I have to make a choice, I'll take NS's over elite trigger if there is not a huge difference. Just have yet to warm up to the dot the i sights.

[AZ Traveler]

Older models means prior to 2003 or 2002. But also note: the Current production K9 with the NYCPD trigger has the old non-elite trigger. Kahr has been producing the K9 with the NYCPD trigger since mid 2005.

Yes, the Elite trigger just has a shorter travel then the non-elite. That being said, Kahr triggers get better the more you shoot them. So I would expect a NIB Kahr trigger to not be as smooth as a Kahr with about 500 rounds through it.

The only model called "Elite" are the K9 Elite, K40 Elite, the MK9 Elite and MK40 Elite. These models have other features that make them Elite. Polished Slide, Beveled Magwell, etc. Naturally all the "Elite" models will have the Elite trigger.

YMMV

[jlh2600]

Older models means prior to 2003 or 2002. But also note: the Current production K9 with the NYCPD trigger has the old non-elite trigger. Kahr has been producing the K9 with the NYCPD trigger since mid 2005.

Yes, the Elite trigger just has a shorter travel then the non-elite. That being said, Kahr triggers get better the more you shoot them. So I would expect a NIB Kahr trigger to not be as smooth as a Kahr with about 500 rounds through it.

The only model called "Elite" are the K9 Elite, K40 Elite, the MK9 Elite and MK40 Elite. These models have other features that make them Elite. Polished Slide, Beveled Magwell, etc. Naturally all the "Elite" models will have the Elite trigger.

YMMV


OK somebody seriously knows their kahrs, thank you!

So since I'm less interested in the polished slide and beveled magwell- to avoid the NYPD trigger all I need to do is find a K more more recent than '05. I'm thinkign the high volume retailers (who are less likely to have NOS laying around for years), unless auction sellers will give me sn's of specific listings I could look up in the history sticky.

BTW what are your thoughts on the "dot the i" sights? You always go for NS on Kahrs? I skimped in that respect on the pm9 because I decided if used it would more for point-shoot scenarios. But of course at the range you want to see what it can do, and it's not be fair to judge any sights on a 3" pistol LOL.

[mecenas1991]

The auction seller should always provide you with at least the serial number range and you do not need a complete number to decipher roughly the year of production from the sticky.

On the other hand if I handed you a Kahr pistol with the NY trigger you would not know what type of trigger you actually have. After I chnaged the trigger from non-elite to elite in my MK9 made in 1999 I am having second thoughts as I feel the longer trigger would add a bit to the safety and it would not really detract from the smoothness of the action or from its accuracy.
As AZ Traveler pointed out the difference is only in the length of travel. Both triggers require the same weight of pull.

The biggest difference for me was installing the XS Bid Dot sights. That made my pistol the most accurate handgun I own (and I own a few) with the Walther P99 Compact with the factory sights being a very close second.

[user]

...BTW what are your thoughts on the "dot the i" sights? You always go for NS on Kahrs? I skimped in that respect on the pm9 because I decided if used it would more for point-shoot scenarios. But of course at the range you want to see what it can do, and it's not be fair to judge any sights on a 3" pistol LOL.

I got my PM9 with standard sights, too. But that one was so accurate right out of the box that I bought the K9 Elite 2003 NS, and, in addition to the night sights, it's a lot prettier than the standard K9. How often you going to buy one, anyway, you might as well spring the extra eighty bucks or so and gaze at it fondly every time you get it out, as I do. And it's got the word, "Elite" on the side of it, that's got to be worth something! Both work perfectly every time. Never a problem with either of them. The K9 has pretty much replaced a S&W J-frame revolver as my standard carry-it-around gun. Weighs about the same and holds three more bullets.

[Rusty Phillips]

I assume from playing with my 96/97 vintage K9 and E9 and my 08 vintage CW9 that the CW's do NOT have the elite trigger?

sure seems identical in trigger pull length to me

in other words - if there is a difference I cant tell....

can anyone confirm this (or otherwise help to straighten me out)?

[AZ Traveler]

The CW9 has the same frame as the P9. So both should have the Elite Trigger. The differences between the CW9 and the P9 are in the machining of the slide.

The difference in length of travel between the Elite and the non-elite trigger is 1/8".

YMMV

[Rusty Phillips]

If so, I sure as heck cant tell the difference

[mecenas1991]

If so, I sure as heck cant tell the difference

...and that was exactly my point - you can not really tell the difference.
A longer travel trigger was required by NYPD for an off-duty use in the Kahr pistols purchased by officers more for PR/legal reasons but there was no reason at all to instal it for civilian users. That is why you must now specify NYPD trigger if you wish an 1/8" longer travel version.

[jlh2600]

User I was really just after the trigger (but since there's little difference anyways, I'm not going to worry about it too much). Anything explicitly "elite" isn't particularly my style, but considering what they cost already, it's not too much more for the elite upgrade. BTW how is the beveled magwell?

Mecenas- "XS" = "extra small"? Because "XS Big Dot" is an oxymoron! lol they do seem popular on kahrs anyways. Speaking of sights, is the T9 the only model kahr puts NOVAKS on?

Thanks for everyones input.