View Full Version : If you could own any 1911 what would it be?
I know for some of the members here money isn't as much as an issue as it is for others(like me:crying:), So my question is just as it appears. If you could own any 1911 regardless of the price what would it be?
I'd probably start with a Springfield Pro.
Regardless of price, I'd still never spend $2000.00, $3000.00, $5000.00 etc on a 1911. I don't understand people who do.
I have a couple Kimber 1911's and I seriously out shoot my friends who own Ed Brown and Wilson Combat pistols.
I don't understand the attraction of high dollar 1911's. As with anything expensive and custom like that, I think 90% of the time its the bragging rights.
Most of my plastic pistol friends own GLOCK's and M&P's. I just picked up a HK P30 and went to show it off to a few of them. They ooo'ed and ahhh'ed wishing they had the coin for one lol.
$1000~1200.00 dollars is breaking my price limits for any one pistol. The only thing I've ever owned that cost more then that was a HK UMP Conversion.
I have a couple Kimber 1911's and I seriously out shoot my friends who own Ed Brown and Wilson Combat pistols.
Your friends must be some lousy shots. :rofl:
The shooter makes much more of a difference than the pistol. Kimbers are very nice 1911s for the money. The high end Kimbers, like the Super Match II are also very accurate. Of course, they aren't cheap either.
This one and I already have it ordered.
Cost $4500 after I spected it out.
http://www.pistoldynamics.com/Signature_1.html
This one and I already have it ordered.
Cost $4500 after I spected it out.
http://www.pistoldynamics.com/Signature_1.html
I never heard of them...But they're just down the road from me.
Let me get this straight. You supply the gun and they customize it? What do you get for $4,500.00, you don't already have?
Let me get this straight. You supply the gun and they customize it?
No. They have their own frames and slides. You can supply a base gun, but I went with a brand new model.
No. They have their own frames and slides. You can supply a base gun, but I went with a brand new model.
I can't wait for that pic.
I never heard of them... What do you get for $4,500.00, you don't already have?
Paul Liebenberg is a master 1911 smith, one of the world's best. He produces some real artwork. Wait time for a Signature is 14-16 months due to manufacture time and the backload of work he has. I ordered it in December '07 and will have it in the spring of '09. Long wait.
These are full custom guns, not semi custom, like so many high end 1911s.
I can't wait for that pic.
Me either. :supergrin:
This gun right here:whistling::supergrin:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/okie1911/RR2.jpg
bertud ng putik
05-22-2008, 04:46
aahhmmm., norinco?
I can always use another G.I. 1911a1.
I wonder if the one Audie Murphy carried is around:wavey:
Ed Brown Cobra Carry
Its a great 1911.
Got to love that snakeskin pattern. ;)
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0234.jpg
A 1941 Singer 1911a1 in mint condition.
Its a great 1911.
Got to love that snakeskin pattern. ;)
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0234.jpg
Yes, it is a beauty and my dream 1911. Maybe I will live to see the day.
ArodJohns
05-22-2008, 15:44
BAER 1911 ULTIMATE RECON
http://www.lesbaer.com/images/reconlg.jpg
ArodJohns
05-22-2008, 15:45
This gun right here:whistling::supergrin:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p64/okie1911/RR2.jpg
That's a nice looking gun my friend.
I'd be happy for that black slide, with the grips in the digi-camo pattern I'm sure they disappear! :rofl::tongueout:
richardoldfield
05-22-2008, 17:04
I am sure I would have this lady (Marianne Carniak) put something together for me. Why Marianne Carniak? She owns the Accurizer Gunshop in Troy, Mi and she knows 1911s. Regards, Richard :)
Marianne Carniak:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/RichardOldfield/Marianne%20Carniak/MarianneCarniak.jpg
Before:
http://www.migunslingers.com/Accurizer/ColtBobtail/PICT0065.JPG
After:
http://www.migunslingers.com/Accurizer/ColtBobtail/PICT0002a.JPG
Marianne also had a lot to do with getting my 9mm Colt to run:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/RichardOldfield/Marianne%20Carniak/9mm.jpg
DogRanger
05-22-2008, 20:42
Wilson Combat Cqb
Wilson Combat Cqb
I love my CQB, but if you could have any Wilson, go with the Classic Super Grade. Its one of the best 1911s built today by anyone.
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_supergrade.asp
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0271-3.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0239-1.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0237-1.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0238-1.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0242-1.jpg
That's a nice looking gun my friend.
I'd be happy for that black slide, with the grips in the digi-camo pattern I'm sure they disappear! :rofl::tongueout:
It is nice for sure my friend:cool::wavey:
EricD10563
05-23-2008, 03:32
I purchased this new in 1988 and never had a problem with it and no mods besides the CT grips.
http://fauxkauai.com/Webpost2.jpg
I purchased this new in 1988 and never had a problem with it and no mods besides the CT grips.
http://fauxkauai.com/Webpost2.jpg
Beautiful NM.
It seems that by this thread, I'm way outside the box, but I'd take the 1911 that fought it's way through the Pacific with my grandfather, then spent some time occupying China..
drew
deadday, That's the best choice I've heard yet....
HarleyArcher
05-23-2008, 13:42
Not sure which model, but once the AR15 is paid off that is what I will be looking at. Bryan
Regardless of price, I'd still never spend $2000.00, $3000.00, $5000.00 etc on a 1911. I don't understand people who do.
I have a couple Kimber 1911's and I seriously out shoot my friends who own Ed Brown and Wilson Combat pistols.
I don't understand the attraction of high dollar 1911's. As with anything expensive and custom like that, I think 90% of the time its the bragging rights.
Most of my plastic pistol friends own GLOCK's and M&P's. I just picked up a HK P30 and went to show it off to a few of them. They ooo'ed and ahhh'ed wishing they had the coin for one lol.
$1000~1200.00 dollars is breaking my price limits for any one pistol. The only thing I've ever owned that cost more then that was a HK UMP Conversion.
Well, your friends are lousy marksmen. When I started shooting IDPA, I used my Kimber Custom II and won second place a couple times.
I switched to my Springfield Pro and from then on won first place.
The gun makes a difference.
I just feel sorry for people who just don't "get it" about quality. There certainly is a difference between a $1K and $2K 1911.
It may not be worth it to everybody, but it is to me and a lot of other people.
In addition to being what I firmly believe is objectively the finest 1911 on the market, I will admit that, for me, I absolutely do take a lot of pride in owning a Professional - after all, they've only made about 3,000 so far so its kinda like being a member of a pretty darned exclusive club.
However, it is very well justified - the Pro is a top-notch pistol and worth every penny.
In fact, someone on 1911forum did a breakdown of the cost and the price we pay for the Professional is actually LESS than it would be if you tried to piece one together.
It is a great value for the money and a superb pistol.
I'd probably start with a Springfield Pro.
I absolutely would too. The Professional is where it starts and ends. :)
RMTactical
05-23-2008, 18:27
Ed Brown Cobra Carry
My uncle has one of those. That would be my pick...
Its a great 1911.
Got to love that snakeskin pattern. ;)
How do you like that finish? Is it nice and grippy?
I *love* the 20LPI checkering on my Springfields, but I've always been curious about these different Ed Brown patterns.....
Rinspeed
05-23-2008, 19:53
I never heard of them...But they're just down the road from me.
Let me get this straight. You supply the gun and they customize it? What do you get for $4,500.00, you don't already have?
As Bac said Paul is one of the very top smiths in the world. The reason he's not as well known as some of the others is because he spent ten years running the S&W PC. I've exchanged several e-mails with him trying to get some information about a 1911 I have and he seems like a real nice guy. Give him a call and ask him if you could stop by sometime for a look around.
As Bac said Paul is one of the very top smiths in the world. The reason he's not as well known as some of the others is because he spent ten years running the S&W PC. I've exchanged several e-mails with him trying to get some information about a 1911 I have and he seems like a real nice guy. Give him a call and ask him if you could stop by sometime for a look around.
It would probably be worth the drive...But, with my limited knowledge of 1911's, I doubt I could converse intelligently on the subject with him.
How do you like that finish? Is it nice and grippy?
I *love* the 20LPI checkering on my Springfields, but I've always been curious about these different Ed Brown patterns.....
Yes, the Kobra's pattern works great.
That said, I also love the 20lpi on my Springfields and RRA.
As Bac said Paul is one of the very top smiths in the world. The reason he's not as well known as some of the others is because he spent ten years running the S&W PC. I've exchanged several e-mails with him trying to get some information about a 1911 I have and he seems like a real nice guy. Give him a call and ask him if you could stop by sometime for a look around.
He's a great guy. I spent almost an hour on the phone with him when I placed my order for a Signature 1911. I got every detail just the way I wanted it. Whatever I wasn't sure about, Paul helped me with.
younggun22
05-23-2008, 21:01
If i could have any 1911 in the world.
New School
- anything by CT Brian
- sanything by Chuck Rogers
Old School
I would really really love an orginal Behlert or an orignal Swenson both were inovators of their time and really began to get custom 1911 smithing onto its feet. Their guns really were distinctive of the time period and hold history that no modern production gun could touch, IMO
I absolutely would too. The Professional is where it starts and ends. :)
I love the Pro, but the TGO1 is only slightly more expensive. It doesn't have night sights, but it does have fiber optic front sights and that awesome two tone Robar finish (Roguard and NP3). I love this 1911. I'm even getting used to the slim grips.
Springfield Custom ROCKS!
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0274.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0272a.jpg
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Are all the receiver parts on TGO1 stainless...or just the frame?
Are all the receiver parts on TGO1 stainless...or just the frame?
I don't think any of the gun is stainless. That's Robar's NP3 finish on the frame and parts and its amazing stuff, as is the glossy black Roguard finish on the slide. Pics don't do the gun justice at all.
As far as I know, the gun is carbon steel. The TGO1 usually runs about $200 more than the Pro and, IMO, is the best 1911 Springfield builds.
Actually, its SA's best target 1911, while the Pro is their best tactical 1911.
gunsmoke92
05-23-2008, 23:51
My pick would be Springfield, just about any model. I have a loaded target and an Ultra Compact, pick one.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/gunsmoke92/guns/P1050020.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/gunsmoke92/guns/guns004.jpg
:rock:
I don't think any of the gun is stainless. That's Robar's NP3 finish on the frame and parts and its amazing stuff, as is the glossy black Roguard finish on the slide. Pics don't do the gun justice at all.
As far as I know, the gun is carbon steel. The TGO1 usually runs about $200 more than the Pro and, IMO, is the best 1911 Springfield builds.
Actually, its SA's best target 1911, while the Pro is their best tactical 1911.
I've never seen one in the flesh. The pics make the frame appear stainless. But, then I've also read that SA custom shop doesn't build any stainless pistols. Great looking gun.
yotecaller
05-24-2008, 17:31
A top of the line Colt from Yost or Chuck Rogers.
FLIPPER 348
05-24-2008, 17:41
So my question is just as it appears. If you could own any 1911 regardless of the price what would it be?
The ones I build. I always own a few! They cost me about $650 + my time.
Rinspeed
05-24-2008, 17:53
A top of the line Colt from Yost or Chuck Rogers.
That machine work by Chuck is just outstanding. It's no wonder some of the other so called top smiths send their machine work to him.
I've never seen one in the flesh. The pics make the frame appear stainless. But, then I've also read that SA custom shop doesn't build any stainless pistols. Great looking gun.
Yeah, but if you held one, it really doesn't resemble stainless much. In fact, hard chrome looks more like stainless than NP3. I feel carbon steel 1911s are the best anyway. They certainly can be built to deliver better accuracy than a stainless 1911.
Here's a comparison of stainless and hard chrome on these two Les Baers. The top pic is my a hard chrome SRP, while the bottom is a stainless Concept V. They look similar. Hard chrome has a slight blue tint to it. I will say its a much better finish than stainless is.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0068s.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0203.jpg
A top of the line Colt from Yost or Chuck Rogers.
You know, that is a great choice!
I would say My Kimber custom Stainless II, I have it set up just how I like it.
I must confess I havent played with anything truly top end.
I would like a Kimber Pro Carry Stainless, with a Bobtail conversion, Bulletproof FCS, and nice Rosewood grips.
that is next on the list.
I would say My Kimber custom Stainless II, I have it set up just how I like it.
I must confess I havent played with anything truly top end.
I would like a Kimber Pro Carry Stainless, with a Bobtail conversion, Bulletproof FCS, and nice Rosewood grips.
that is next on the list.
With all due respect to the Custom II (I have one myself), you would take an entry level 1911 if you could have any? :dunno:
Again, I do think its a nice pistol and mine has never had a problem, so no offense meant. Still, if you could make any 1911 appear in your safe, money no object, I'm sure you could think of something else, couldn't you? ;)
I think the OP said "regardless of cost", which really opens up some options. :supergrin:
It WAS entry level, But I changed it to my preference
It WAS entry level, But I changed it to my preference
man, you really need to get out and see some nice 1911s......
I have a Kimber Custom II and the way I've said it a million times is this:
I have trusted my life to it in the past and would do so again, I will never sell it but I will also never buy another.
If you're looking at a Kimber, it is SO worth the extra $4-$500 to get a Springfield TRP.
Rinspeed
05-26-2008, 14:04
Still, if you could make any 1911 appear in your safe, money no object, I'm sure you could think of something else, couldn't you? ;)
I was thinking the same thing about those who said Nighthawk or Wilson. Both would be towards the bottom of my list. When I think of very desirable 1911s names like Nastoff, Swenson, Heinie and Liebenberg come to mind.
michael t
05-26-2008, 15:14
Guess I keep my Colts and Dan Wesson Both shoot better than I do and relieable enough for carry. See no reason to spend 1000's for a pistol If relieable and accurate what more do you want. I have a new American Classic that after a few 100 more rounds might just join the carry line up.
I was thinking the same thing about those who said Nighthawk or Wilson. Both would be towards the bottom of my list. When I think of very desirable 1911s names like Nastoff, Swenson, Heinie and Liebenberg come to mind.
I would agree. My vote was for a Liebenberg Signature.
RetailNinja
05-31-2008, 04:17
Any Longslide (I like the new Springfield Loaded 6" model) that had gone through the hands of a smith like liebenberg.
one of the beautiful 1911 offered by gemeni customs would be my choice or a morris custom 1911 in 10mil
OK if I have to go Sunday Go To Meeting Gun on this
I would have a really good smith build a Caspian Damascus
Framed pistol with a Bobtail, a combination of C&S, Brown and Wilson
Bulletproof parts with some presentation grade wood grips (with
the equivalent of a set of Phelps Grip Guards), with Novak sights, and
a very accurate Barrel, all of which would be highly polished.
srothman
06-02-2008, 17:03
To those of you who cannot understand spending thousands of dollars on a full custom, have you ever seen, held, or shot a true full custom?
The smiths that build them have worked hard and spent a lot of time to master building a 1911. When they build it, it is exactly what you want. You get to pick every last part, finish and preference you have.
I have a full custom 1911 from Marc @ Gemini Customs. When you look at the back of the slide, the frame, slide, ejector and extractor look like one part. The only way you can see them is because of the different metals of the damascus slide and parts. The fit and finish of the gun is incredible. It is my favorite 1911 and goes to the range with me several times a month, and has never had any type of failure.
While several of the companies listed above build great 1911's (I own several of them), they are not what I would consider if I could have any 1911 I want.
I own a 1* gun from Yost-Bonitz, and am also fortunate enough to have a full signature grade Yost custom. While the 1* is a great gun, it does not compare to the Signature Grade. The amount of skill these guys have is amazing. The deep, rich, blue finish that they apply is perfect.
If you ever have the opportunity to hold, or even shoot a true custom 1911, you will understand what I am talking about.
srothman
06-02-2008, 17:09
I am having trouble getting pictures to post. I will post them once I get everything figured out.
Gemini Customs - Briley Frame, Caspian damascus slide, Wicked Grips custom wood grips, and full dragon skin treatment.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000564.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000521.jpg
Look at the fit and finish. The brownish - red is oil from the gun, I had just cleaned it after shooting.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000551.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000548.jpg
brawnless
06-02-2008, 19:36
I know for some of the members here money isn't as much as an issue as it is for others(like me:crying:), So my question is just as it appears. If you could own any 1911 regardless of the price what would it be?
A fully customized one by the best gunsmith. :supergrin:
Will start looking around for the best when money isn't an issue anymore. :)
If i could have any 1911 in the world.
New School
- anything by CT Brian
- anything by Chuck Rogers
This is my all time favorite of the one off customs, its from CT. When I contacted him about having one done he told me it would be $5k and 5 years. I didn't want to wait that long so I am having somebody do one similar.
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL369/9440780/17240887/282071522.jpg
brahmabull8413
06-13-2008, 01:44
Larry Vickers, 'nuf said.
duboismd
06-13-2008, 09:06
Springfield Loaded black stainless
Springfield Loaded black stainless
Wow!
You would take an ENTRY LEVEL 1911 is you could have any???
:dunno:
Come on, live a little! ;)
D.R. Middlebrooks Delta Elite
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/676c747b1c.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
My pick would be Springfield, just about any model. I have a loaded target and an Ultra Compact, pick one.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/gunsmoke92/guns/P1050020.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/gunsmoke92/guns/guns004.jpg
:rock:
+1:agree:
although, i havn't shot that many 1911's. i'm NOWHERE like Bac:supergrin:
+1:agree:
although, i havn't shot that many 1911's. i'm NOWHERE like Bac:supergrin:
Don't worry Eddie. Springer makes some awesome 1911s. :thumbsup:
Go with a Springfield Custom Pro or TGO1 though if you could have any. They are among the best 1911s available from anybody.
The Loaded, while nice, is among their entry level models made in Brazil.
Don't worry Eddie. Springer makes some awesome 1911s. :thumbsup:
Go with a Springfield Custom Pro or TGO1 though if you could have any. They are among the best 1911s available from anybody.
The Loaded, while nice, is among their entry level models made in Brazil.
What IS your take on the Springfield Professional?
I think I'd pick the Wilson CQB or the Springfield Professional. I've shot a CQB before and it was very nice. I'm not worried about how it looks, I'm more concerned with the "tactical" side of the pistol.
What IS your take on the Springfield Professional?
I think they're incredible. I have handled a couple. I don't own one, but I do have the TGO, which is basically a target version of the Pro. It doesn't have the night sites like the Pro does, but comes with a nicer finish and fiber optic front sites with an adjustable rear.
The Pro has the Black T finish, which I love. However, the two tone Robar on the TGO is actually better, IMO. Anyway, both are great and, essentially, Springfield's two best 1911s. The Pro is the tactical version and the TGO is, obviously, the target gun. Prices are similar. Retail for the Pro is about $3K, while the TGO is $3200. Actually prices are normally about $2500 for the Pro and $2600-$2700 for the TGO.
I think I posted the TGO earlier in the thread, but here are a couple recent pics. The pics don't really do the finish justice, but its probably the best finished 1911, or handgun for that matter, I own.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0634.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n5/bac1023/000_0636.jpg
earl simmons
06-25-2008, 11:35
If you could own any 1911 regardless of the price what would it be?
The very first one.
The very first one.
Wow, that is seriously the best answer!!!
ChuteTheMall
06-25-2008, 13:24
I know for some of the members here money isn't as much as an issue as it is for others(like me:crying:), So my question is just as it appears. If you could own any 1911 regardless of the price what would it be?
Ford Model T
I think I already own mine, the Springfield Professional.
Glock2336
06-25-2008, 15:18
This is my all time favorite of the one off customs, its from CT. When I contacted him about having one done he told me it would be $5k and 5 years. I didn't want to wait that long so I am having somebody do one similar.
http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL369/9440780/17240887/282071522.jpg
I LOVE that pistol, and will buy one nearly identical from him when I win the lotto :whistling: That would be the one I'd want with a few additions if $$$ was no object, until then I'm happy extremely happy with my Harrison customized Ionbonded Thunder Ranch :)
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p178/G34Shooter/IMG641-1.jpg
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p178/G34Shooter/IMG631.jpg
Glock2336
06-25-2008, 15:19
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p178/G34Shooter/IMG633.jpg
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SafariArms Matchmaster. visit www.olyarms.com and look around.
SafariArms Matchmaster. visit www.olyarms.com and look around.
I can't take that front strap on Olympic 1911s.
Springer Pro
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/chocobo1911/P1040622.jpg
FLuXmr2spyder
07-17-2008, 13:16
other than what i already have
i would want an ArmsCor RIA fullsize 1911 that is completely personalized/customized for me
I believe the frames can be had in a reqular 1911 model.
W Turner
07-18-2008, 13:52
Fully engraved Les Baer TRS.
What can I say, my tastes are simple.
W
chuckman
07-21-2008, 10:39
A MEUSOC-issued Springfield-based 1911, or a similar platform from Norm Chandler and Iron Brigade Armory.
Short Cut
07-21-2008, 10:55
It would be one that was actually handled, tuned, shot by John Moses Browning.
Next I've long considered having one of my Delta Elites made into a full custom pistol for carry.
Of what I own it would be my blued Baer UM 1.5".
Short Cut
07-21-2008, 11:08
What IS your take on the Springfield Professional?
As compared to the TGO1 the most obvious difference is the finish. Black T is nice, but the Robar finishes on the TGO are imo a little better, slicker, nicer looking. Of course the grip thickness is different, but also simple to change. My preference is the wider, checkered Pro grips.
The trigger on the TGO is almost two pounds lighter than the Pro. Lighter than I would like for a carry gun. Although the Pro could be slightly lighter and that would be ok with me, but this is really, really minor hairsplitting.
The sights on the TGO are great for an outdoor range, but I generally prefer fixed sights all around and consider fixed sights mandatory on a carry gun.
The one thing I really dig about my Pro is the lockup. It has a uniquely satisfying snick as I ride the slide slowly into lockup. Can't really put my finger on it, but it just feels real solid and precise.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/ProfessionalSOG2.jpg
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/JMB1911/TGO1onAErt.jpg
It would be one that was actually handled, tuned, shot by John Moses Browning.
Does such a beast exist?? :shocked:
Does such a beast exist?? :shocked:
Probably somewhere.
Short Cut
07-21-2008, 21:29
Does such a beast exist?? :shocked:
One can dream to touch the creation of genius.
I'd want the one that finally puts 8 +1 through Osama Bin Laden's brain. Then I’d give it to my son to go with his maroon beret, Purple Heart and Sergeant stripes.
PlasticGuy
07-26-2008, 11:02
I just picked up a NIB series 1 Kimber Super Match (you gotta love collectors who don't shoot). I love my Les Baers, but the Kimber is smooooooth. I hate to say it, but I may actually prefer the Kimber for general use. I have handled a couple Pistol Dynamics guns recently, and was extremely impressed. They are functional art, and I understand why guys spend the extra coin on them.
Any 1911, regardless of cost? I've discussed this with bac in other threads, but it would probably be a true custom build by Rock River. I know there are names that may be more exclusive, but unless that blank check we're hypothetically talking about also includes a fast-forward option to skip the 5 year wait, I think Rock River is the better choice for me.
I just picked up a NIB series 1 Kimber Super Match (you gotta love collectors who don't shoot). I love my Les Baers, but the Kimber is smooooooth. I hate to say it, but I may actually prefer the Kimber for general use. I have handled a couple Pistol Dynamics guns recently, and was extremely impressed. They are functional art, and I understand why guys spend the extra coin on them.
Any 1911, regardless of cost? I've discussed this with bac in other threads, but it would probably be a true custom build by Rock River. I know there are names that may be more exclusive, but unless that blank check we're hypothetically talking about also includes a fast-forward option to skip the 5 year wait, I think Rock River is the better choice for me.
Rock River makes some of the best 1911s in the world, no doubt. I like them better than just about all of them.
I think the RRA Limited Match is the best 1911 under $3K and its better than many above. I love clean looking 1911s with awesome capabilities.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_0716-1.jpg
PlasticGuy
07-27-2008, 01:35
Rock River makes some of the best 1911s in the world, no doubt. I like them better than just about all of them.
I think the RRA Limited Match is the best 1911 under $3K and its better than many above. I love clean looking 1911s with awesome capabilities.
I love understated excellence, which is why your suggestion of Rock River is something that I am seriously considering.
I got my Series 1 Kimber Super Match (new in the box) in a trade that effectively cost me $1250. I was very happy with the price, and have been impressed with the fit and finish. I feel it compares very favorably with the Wilson and Baer 1911's under $2,500. What is your opinion of them? Would you agree, or am I missing something?
I love understated excellence, which is why your suggestion of Rock River is something that I am seriously considering.
I got my Series 1 Kimber Super Match (new in the box) in a trade that effectively cost me $1250. I was very happy with the price, and have been impressed with the fit and finish. I feel it compares very favorably with the Wilson and Baer 1911's under $2,500. What is your opinion of them? Would you agree, or am I missing something?
PlasticGuy,
I've said it many times on this forum and I know its not a popular way to look at things amongst 1911 people. However, I always speak my mind and give an honest opinion. I think the Kimber Super Match II (and Super Match from before) is about the best 1911 you can buy for $1800 or below. They retail over $2100, but sell for $1700-$1800 in stores. I don't own a lower priced RRA, but I do have a Baer Concept V and like the Kimber more. Its just an outstanding quality 1911 with awesome accuracy, trigger, and fit and finish.
I love mine.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_0645.jpg
PlasticGuy
07-27-2008, 10:07
PlasticGuy,
I've said it many times on this forum and I know its not a popular way to look at things amongst 1911 people. However, I always speak my mind and give an honest opinion. I think the Kimber Super Match II (and Super Match from before) is about the best 1911 you can buy for $1800 or below...
Glad to hear that. I thought my standards might be slipping or something, but I'm convinced that my Super Match is the equal of my Les Baers. I knew it would be nice, but I didn't expect it to be that nice.
Short Cut
07-27-2008, 10:46
PlasticGuy,
I've said it many times on this forum and I know its not a popular way to look at things amongst 1911 people. However, I always speak my mind and give an honest opinion. I think the Kimber Super Match II (and Super Match from before) is about the best 1911 you can buy for $1800 or below. They retail over $2100, but sell for $1700-$1800 in stores. I don't own a lower priced RRA, but I do have a Baer Concept V and like the Kimber more. Its just an outstanding quality 1911 with awesome accuracy, trigger, and fit and finish.
I love mine.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_0645.jpg
bac how does the Super Match compare to the TGO1? They both have a lot of similarities and even look similar.
bac how does the Super Match compare to the TGO1? They both have a lot of similarities and even look similar.
SC, the TGO1 is better. I consider the TGO1 a true custom/semi custom 1911, and a good one at that. The Kimber is a production gun. Kimber's custom shop is nothing like Springfield's.
Still, I stand by what I said. The TGO1 retails for over a grand more than the Kimber, $2100 vs. $3200. Both will sell for less in stores.
Pics don't show it, but the Springfield's robar finish is much nicer than the Kimber's baked on KimPro. The TGO's action is nicer and has an overall higher quality feel. That said, the Super Match II is a very good 1911, its just that the TGO1 is simply better. I will say that the Kimber's trigger and accuracy are on par with the TGO1.
You're right, SC, they do look similar.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_1072.jpg
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_1073.jpg
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_1074.jpg
If I could pick any 1911, it would have to be an Ed Brown Executive Elite. There's just something about that gun I really admire. Maybe just its simple elegance.
:cool:
MoCop
Here's a couple for consideration.
Ed Brown Classic Custom and Wilson Classic Super Grade. They are the top models from each builder.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_0364a.jpg
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_0363.jpg
Substance-P
07-27-2008, 17:33
Here's a couple for consideration.
Ed Brown Classic Custom and Wilson Classic Super Grade. They are the top models from each builder.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_0364a.jpg
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm479/briancutillo/000_0363.jpg
Two great options for sure...based on looks alone, I'd have to go with the Brown...clean looking while still being stunning.
Rinspeed
07-27-2008, 18:02
Two great options for sure...based on looks alone, I'd have to go with the Brown...clean looking while still being stunning.
They both look pretty stunning to me. :supergrin: Bac, how old is the Wilson and do you know who the smith is that made it?
They both look pretty stunning to me. :supergrin: Bac, how old is the Wilson and do you know who the smith is that made it?
Rinspeed, I believe its about two years. Unlike the Brown, I didn't buy it brand new. I bought it last year in like new shape with 200 rounds through it for a grand less. The guy I bought it from was a plastic surgeon and said he had it for just over a year, but almost never shot it. You can't tell the difference from new and I got a nice deal. I wasn't about to drop $4K+ on a Wilson, even though I think the gun is worth it. For that, I'm getting a full custom gun.
I'm not sure which Smith built it. I'll have to see if its listed in the paperwork. I think Ron Phillips was already with Nighthawk when mine was built.
kabob983
08-01-2008, 11:10
I'd love a Springfield Pro but honestly I'm not good enough of a shot to make it worth the $$. I'd be happy with a Wilson CQB. Heck, I'd be happy with almost anything :P
willis68
08-02-2008, 08:24
Ted Yost Signature Grade Stainless Colt 70 series Government Model, I am now on the list and will have it in about 1 year, this is my dream 1911 and the best I have ever seen in person, it will make me very happy :cool:
srothman
08-02-2008, 08:51
You will not be disappointed. The Yost Signature grade is a great gun. It will probably be marked as an Heirloom Precision (new company), and not Yost.
Here are a couple of pictures of mine for you while you have to wait. If they quoted you a year, it will probably be a little longer. Ted, Jason, and Steve pay attention to every detail, and do not let a gun leave the shop until it is perfect. Sometimes they run into little "issues" that take longer than expected.
The one on the left is the Yost Signature Grade, with ivory grips, the one in the middle is a 1* gun from Yost-Bonitz, and the right is a stock new series 70 (it will eventually be going to Ned @ Michi-Guns)
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000587-1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000574-1.jpg
The guys at Heirloom Precision also currently have my Colt Combat Commander in 9mm, and I should have it back in a few months. I am having trouble deciding if I should have them put ivory on it, or have Ted hand make a set of wood grips for it.
Enjoy
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00328_edited-1.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00327.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00334.jpg
willis68
08-03-2008, 08:55
You will not be disappointed. The Yost Signature grade is a great gun. It will probably be marked as an Heirloom Precision (new company), and not Yost.
Here are a couple of pictures of mine for you while you have to wait. If they quoted you a year, it will probably be a little longer. Ted, Jason, and Steve pay attention to every detail, and do not let a gun leave the shop until it is perfect. Sometimes they run into little "issues" that take longer than expected.
The one on the left is the Yost Signature Grade, with ivory grips, the one in the middle is a 1* gun from Yost-Bonitz, and the right is a stock new series 70 (it will eventually be going to Ned @ Michi-Guns)
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000587-1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/P1000574-1.jpg
The guys at Heirloom Precision also currently have my Colt Combat Commander in 9mm, and I should have it back in a few months. I am having trouble deciding if I should have them put ivory on it, or have Ted hand make a set of wood grips for it.
Enjoy
Very nice pistols you have, it will have the Heirloom Precision emblem on it, I like it very much, I cant wait to get this gun, even if it takes 2 years it will be worth it!!!:cool:
CanyonMan
08-03-2008, 18:17
Colt.
Without Question.
CM
Dalton Wayne
08-03-2008, 18:22
I would really like the basic GI model from Springfield
I would really like the basic GI model from Springfield
Even if you could have any? :dunno:
FLIPPER 348
08-04-2008, 08:06
there is something to be said about 'getting back to basics' sometimes. The GI is pretty close to what a 1911 was meant to be ........some folks just want that.
there is something to be said about 'getting back to basics' sometimes. The GI is pretty close to what a 1911 was meant to be ........some folks just want that.
Yeah, but if you want a GI and could have any, why not a WWII?
Remington Rand, Union S & S, etc...
I think I will retract my previous choice on a dream 1911. I've been searching/torturing myself and found this http://www.rogersprecision.com/id23.html I would only change to a different style of sights and I would be flying high.
FLIPPER 348
08-04-2008, 08:35
Yeah, but if you want a GI and could have any, why not a WWII?
Remington Rand, Union S & S, etc...
Because America is a wonderful country. And for some it's not about the cost, value or history of the firearm they want.
Because America is a wonderful country. And for some it's not about the cost, value or history of the firearm they want.
OK, whatever you say Flipper.
FLIPPER 348
08-04-2008, 09:17
glad you see it my way!
for some, a basic 1911 is all the 1911 they desire. Not everyone is into bells&whistles on their 1911s. That's the main reason why I got into building my own. There were a few features I wanted but none of the exapmles on the market had just them.
glad you see it my way!
for some, a basic 1911 is all the 1911 they desire. Not everyone is into bells&whistles on their 1911s. That's the main reason why I got into building my own. There were a few features I wanted but none of the exapmles on the market had just them.
...and you have built nice stuff. :thumbsup:
I was just wondering why someone would want a Brazilian made GI replica if they could have any 1911 they wanted.
I do have a that model and its a good basic 1911, but wow.
SIGShooter
08-05-2008, 19:12
Wilson CQB
SIGShooter
08-06-2008, 17:21
Nice choice!
Thank you sir!
I will have a CQB Compact ASAP.
After that, it will be a T3.
Thank you sir!
I will have a CQB Compact ASAP.
After that, it will be a T3.
You'll love the Nighthawk.
myglockisa23
08-31-2008, 09:17
A Singer or a US&S would be nice... Anyone have a spare $55,000?
http://www.rockislandauction.com/view_item.aspx?aid=44&iid=218640
Guess I'll have to settle for my EB...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/dwaine/011-1.jpg
A Gemini Customs bobtail commander using a S&W Scandium frame and Damascus steel treatment on the slide.
GroovedG19
09-01-2008, 18:07
I like the clean looks and thin grips of the blued Les Baer Thunder Ranch Special.
If I had unlimited bucks I would send a new Colt WWI reissue 1911 to Ted Yost to have it accurized, an action job, a set of custom high fixed sights and have it polished and blued to look like a very early commercial National Match and a set of custom double diamond grips in exhibition grade French walnut fitted. I would tell him, "Pretend it is 1913 and your best friend is about to graduate from West Point; build the gun you would want to give him."
If I had unlimited bucks I would send a new Colt WWI reissue 1911 to Ted Yost to have it accurized, an action job, a set of custom high fixed sights and have it polished and blued to look like a very early commercial National Match and a set of custom double diamond grips in exhibition grade French walnut fitted. I would tell him, "Pretend it is 1913 and your best friend is about to graduate from West Point; build the gun you would want to give him."
A great choice.
srothman
09-04-2008, 21:23
If I had unlimited bucks I would send a new Colt WWI reissue 1911 to Ted Yost to have it accurized, an action job, a set of custom high fixed sights and have it polished and blued to look like a very early commercial National Match and a set of custom double diamond grips in exhibition grade French walnut fitted. I would tell him, "Pretend it is 1913 and your best friend is about to graduate from West Point; build the gun you would want to give him."
How about this. It is currently for sale, and listed on GunBroker. If I did not already have two custom 1911's from Ted and Jason, and a third that should be back in the next few weeks, it would be mine. If it is still around in a few more weeks, I may be able to give a range report.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/pix213394750.jpg
I have shot a retro build from them, and it is incredible. It is very different from shooting one of their full modern customs. not bad, just different.
I am surprised Bac, has not bought a custom 1911 from Heirloom Precision (the old Yost-Bonitz). In my opinion they build one of the best, if not the best, traditional 1911's on the market.
How about this. It is currently for sale, and listed on GunBroker. If I did not already have two custom 1911's from Ted and Jason, and a third that should be back in the next few weeks, it would be mine. If it is still around in a few more weeks, I may be able to give a range report.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/pix213394750.jpg
I have shot a retro build from them, and it is incredible. It is very different from shooting one of their full modern customs. not bad, just different.
I am surprised Bac, has not bought a custom 1911 from Heirloom Precision (the old Yost-Bonitz). In my opinion they build one of the best, if not the best, traditional 1911's on the market.
Yeah, I saw it. Its been on there a while. I've thought about picking it up. Its been on my watch list for a while now.
I'd probably go with a modern Signature Grade if I get a Yost, however.
I hate you. Thank you for posting that, that is a gorgeous gun. Someday.
I would like a CQB Wilson 10mm.
5 screw smith
09-12-2008, 17:24
Wilson's KZ 45 is the best value in a higher end 1911, and great for concealed carry. You get the value of a Wilson Combat for a fraction of the cost; especially if you can pick one up used.
srothman
09-12-2008, 17:34
I would not even consider the KZ, a 1911. It is a modern version of a 1911, but not a 1911. I would also not consider it a higher end gun, it is probably in the lower end of 1911's
I have also shot one side by side with my CQB, and it is no where as nice as the CQB. It is a good gun, but it does not compare with the other models. There is a reason it costs so much less than the others.
The title also says if you could own any 1911, so you if someone were to give you any Wilson Combat in the catalog, you would choose the KZ?
Wilson's KZ 45 is the best value in a higher end 1911, and great for concealed carry. You get the value of a Wilson Combat for a fraction of the cost; especially if you can pick one up used.
:puking:
I'm not sure I'd take that if someone gave it too me.
That is no 1911.
I would not even consider the KZ, a 1911. It is a modern version of a 1911, but not a 1911. I would also not consider it a higher end gun, it is probably in the lower end of 1911's
I have also shot one side by side with my CQB, and it is no where as nice as the CQB. It is a good gun, but it does not compare with the other models. There is a reason it costs so much less than the others.
The title also says if you could own any 1911, so you if someone were to give you any Wilson Combat in the catalog, you would choose the KZ?
I agree. I can't believe Wilson even builds it.
I can't remember who's plastic frames they are. It may be Kimber.
How about this. It is currently for sale, and listed on GunBroker. If I did not already have two custom 1911's from Ted and Jason, and a third that should be back in the next few weeks, it would be mine. If it is still around in a few more weeks, I may be able to give a range report.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/pix213394750.jpg
I have shot a retro build from them, and it is incredible. It is very different from shooting one of their full modern customs. not bad, just different.
I am surprised Bac, has not bought a custom 1911 from Heirloom Precision (the old Yost-Bonitz). In my opinion they build one of the best, if not the best, traditional 1911's on the market.
Details please - exactly what is that? A Colt WW1 Repro that's been customized or is it their own slide/frame?
srothman
09-12-2008, 21:55
It is currently for sale on Gunbroker, by Terry @ PT-Partners. It is a retro custom build done by Yost-Bonitz (now Heirloom Precision), on a Colt re-production.
I have several guns from Ted Yost and Jason Burton, Heirloom Precision, and they build an incredible traditional, or retro 1911. The make several of their own parts, for the 1911, that are on the market.
If you want to look around at www.louderthanwords.us, it is a forum set up, and run by some of the best gunsmiths in the country including Ted and Jason.
ChuteTheMall
09-12-2008, 22:45
.....
sorry, wrong thread.
.....
sorry, wrong thread.
Actually, this is about as right as threads get. ;)
Actually, this is about as right as threads get. ;)
AMEN :supergrin:
srothman
09-13-2008, 00:04
AMEN :supergrin:
+1:cool:
How about this. It is currently for sale, and listed on GunBroker.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t165/cookieguy-guns/pix213394750.jpg
Not anymore...
...and you'll never guess who won it either. ;)
deputy tom
09-30-2008, 16:40
In order of preference...
Baer Thunder Ranch Special
Heine
Vickers
C.Beck
Since none of these are about to happen I'll suffice with a Springfield Armory Loaded.YMMV.tom.:cool:
many worthy fantasies (or current/soon-to-be realities in bac's case) bandied about here.....
mine is a guncrafter industries no.1 with both the .50 and .45 cal. barrels, and an unlimited supply of ammo, mags, and time to shoot them.....
regards-- deguelo
knivesandguns
09-30-2008, 18:35
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00328_edited-1.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00327.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee107/ess45/DSC00334.jpg
What pistol is that with the wide slide serrations? I think those look awesome.
Not anymore...
...and you'll never guess who won it either. ;)
Well, I have been silent since i posted this thread because I just wanted to sit back and enjoy without adding my $.02, But I would have to say out of all of the pics and what people here would want, I think that this Yost would be my #1 choice and would be a 1911 I'd like to pass down to my son someday. And BAC since you're a fellow Pennsylvanian I'd be willing to "babysit" the Yost if the occasion were to ever arise :supergrin:
Well, I have been silent since i posted this thread because I just wanted to sit back and enjoy without adding my $.02, But I would have to say out of all of the pics and what people here would want, I think that this Yost would be my #1 choice and would be a 1911 I'd like to pass down to my son someday. And BAC since you're a fellow Pennsylvanian I'd be willing to "babysit" the Yost if the occasion were to ever arise :supergrin:
Wow, thanks.
Its on my shelves now. Beautiful piece.
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1598.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1599.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1589.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1595.jpg
srothman
10-01-2008, 20:08
Wow, thanks.
Its on my shelves now. Beautiful piece.
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1598.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1599.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1589.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1595.jpg
Have you shot it yet? If not my offer still stands.
Now you just need to get Ted to make you a set of custom wood or ivory grips for it.
Have you contacted Heirloom Precision about getting on the list for your next project?
Have you shot it yet? If not my offer still stands.
Now you just need to get Ted to make you a set of custom wood or ivory grips for it.
Have you contacted Heirloom Precision about getting on the list for your next project?
srothman, I have been working quite a bit and have not been to the range. I'm hoping to go tomorrow.
I am going to get Ted to make me some grips for it.
I have not contacted Heirloom yet. Maybe next year. I'm still waiting for my Infinity and Pistol Dynamics. Plus, I want my next project to be from Marc at Gemini.
Wow, thanks.
Its on my shelves now. Beautiful piece.
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1598.jpg
http://i511.photobucket.com/albums/s351/bac1023_2008/000_1595.jpg
Thats nice! Very simple!
I'd buy something out of springfield pro shop.
I'd buy something out of springfield pro shop.
Love my TGO1.
I've come very close to ordering an expensive whizz-bang 1911 on several occasions PRIOR to trying out a Springfield TRP in stainless. She's a keeper! Even better was she only cost me a little over a grand when I bought her.
Glad to hear you like your TRP, I'm picking mine up in 8 days = ).
It would be a 1911 in 10mm.
Glad to hear you like your TRP, I'm picking mine up in 8 days = ).
Congrats!
Be sure to post some pics. :supergrin:
GreenDrake
10-11-2008, 08:45
My Holy Grail is the Wilson Combat CQB Compact in Green/Black for a carry gun. Someday she will be mine, someday.
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/handguns/cqb_compact/large/09.jpg
Sharp105
10-11-2008, 10:04
My Holy Grail is the Wilson Combat CQB Compact in Green/Black for a carry gun. Someday she will be mine, someday.
http://www.wilsoncombat.com/handguns/cqb_compact/large/09.jpg
Wow, I love the looks of that gun
Yeah, that's a great looker. :wow:
That wilson does look great. And the Yost Bac has I'd give my left nut for, looking at what may be within my reach I think that what I really, really want is the Dan Wesson "Valor". It may be on the Horizon for me.... at least when I can finally save up the cash. With 2 kids in Catholic school spending money for me is a thing of the past.
That wilson does look great. And the Yost Bac has I'd give my left nut for, looking at what may be within my reach I think that what I really, really want is the Dan Wesson "Valor". It may be on the Horizon for me.... at least when I can finally save up the cash. With 2 kids in Catholic school spending money for me is a thing of the past.
The Valor is certainly a great choice. :thumbsup:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5790/0000581iq1.jpg
dojpros1998
10-13-2008, 18:24
All weapons need to have a sight I can see, A decent trigger and a beaver tail. I can work around anything else i.e. magwell or not, arched v. flat, short v. long trigger.
500ish- Used Spingfield (SF) or Norinco
750ish SF Loaded or used Kimber Series I
1000 ish- SF MC Operator
1500ish- DW Valor
2000ish- C/S R and D pistol or Pistol Dynamics package on my SF Mil Spec 1911
2500ish- SF Pro or used Chuck Rodgers stuff
5000ish- New Chuck Rodgers stuff
Old School- Clark, Swenson, Hoag and Tussey work always considered.
CanyonMan
10-14-2008, 19:15
Colt.
CM
Brass Nazi
10-14-2008, 20:23
Sgnt. York's 1911.
Black Gun
10-18-2008, 00:48
This one from one of the masters. It currently resides in my safe and gets shot every time I go to the range (click for bigger pic):
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=566304
This one from one of the masters. It currently resides in my safe and gets shot every time I go to the range (click for bigger pic):
http://www.hunt101.com/watermark.php?file=566304
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Black Gun
10-19-2008, 01:31
Check out the name on the grip panel.... Valtro. See more at http://www.valtrousa.com/1998a1photgallery.html
Hard to find, but if you do, jump on it hard.
Valtros are very hard to come by, especially customs by Jardine.
VERY nice!
The Valor is certainly a great choice. :thumbsup:
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5790/0000581iq1.jpg
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