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deenoh
05-22-2008, 10:32
Lawyer opposes permanent gun ban bill
By Cecille Suerte Felipe
Friday, May 23, 2008
Philippine Star

A Quezon City prosecutor expressed his opposition to a plan to ban private gun ownership, saying the proposal would only take away from law-abiding citizens the means to protect themselves and embolden criminals.

In a letter to The STAR, Quezon City State Prosecutor Ferdinand Baylon said the recent bank robbery in Cabuyao, Laguna, in which 10 people were shot dead, would not have been prevented by a stricter gun ownership law.

“Even if we had absolute prohibition on gun ownership, the perpetrators of the Cabuyao massacre would still have had their hands on high-caliber firearms,” he added.

Baylon said a “proposed house bill to eliminate private gun ownership as a means of decreasing crime rate is not only poorly researched but is downright irresponsible and illogical.”

“When you take away from law-abiding citizens the means to protect themselves, you only embolden criminal elements. A criminal thinks twice before confronting an armed victim,” he pointed out.

Baylon said “when the government is not in a position to protect its citizens 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the last thing it should do is take away those citizens’ means of defending themselves from criminal elements.”

“Rather than deprive citizens of the instruments and weapons which could save their lives, the government should give them access to these instruments and provide empowerment to the people by providing proper training for the acquisition of skills, the right frame of mind, discipline and attitude which would ensure their survival in these very interesting times,” he added.

Baylon cited the May 16 Cabuyao bank robbery and the May 19 shooting rampage in Calamba City, in which eight people were killed.

“Just think, if we had more liberal gun ownership laws, or if only some of the bank employees were armed, they could have at least made a last stand rather than being there, defenseless, at the hands of merciless men,” he pointed out.

Baylon said the answer to curbing crimes is for the government, “which has no capacity to protect its citizens 24/7,” to allow “responsible, law-abiding citizens easy access to the instruments and weapons which could protect their lives, properties and homes.”

He said it is “naive” to think that declaring private gun ownership as illegal will automatically deter criminals from possessing firearms.

“Criminal will still own guns and will still have access to firearms notwithstanding the passage of any law curbing gun ownership,” Baylon said.

He added that the Cabuyao massacre could have been prevented if one or two bank employees were armed and properly trained in handling bank robbery situations.

“In fact, the management and owners of the bank had the responsibility to have armed and trained their employees since bank employees face the risk and danger of armed robberies everyday,” he said.

Baylon said they should have made sure that their employees were capable of dealing with worst-case scenarios. He added that the presupposition that stricter gun laws have deterrent effects on criminals is not supported by any hard facts or statistical basis.

“The fact of the matter is, England, since the 1920s has had strict gun laws but its crime rate is not any better than the (United States), which is more liberal in terms of gun ownership,” he said.

Baylon said crimes and the degree of violence “are not determined by the availability of weaponry or by the strictness of gun control laws” but “are fundamentally determined by socio-political and economic factors.”

mikey177
05-22-2008, 23:28
Finally, someone in government who gets it.

CatsMeow
05-23-2008, 00:36
A lot of my former colleagues in the prosecution service are avid shooters. Judges too. It comes with the territory; someone is always ticked off at you merely doing your job... A colleague of mine (Labor Arbiter) was shot in Bacolod only a few months ago; his armed brother-in-law promptly "solved" the case right then and there by plugging the assassin; angle is job-related.

domsky
05-23-2008, 00:48
Our legislator should know how to differentiate criminals and Law Abiding citizens...The comment of Atty. Baylon is very commendable..lets support him...

jimbullet
05-23-2008, 04:18
Just a comment on what our progun lawyer has said though - Banks as a policy does not permit firearms brought in by employees as there is supposed to be adequate security provided by its guards and it is not a matter of policy to put employees at harms way through armed response. The incident is a tragedy and government should not use this nor anti gun lobbyist as some sort of stop gap on crime. Its never going to work. Such a response from government if ever a gun ban is imposed is just to save face.

boni
05-23-2008, 07:46
Just a comment on what our progun lawyer has said though - Banks as a policy does not permit firearms brought in by employees as there is supposed to be adequate security provided by its guards and it is not a matter of policy to put employees at harms way through armed response. The incident is a tragedy and government should not use this nor anti gun lobbyist as some sort of stop gap on crime. Its never going to work. Such a response from government if ever a gun ban is imposed is just to save face.
yes bank policy nga but as a bank employee would we allow ourselves to be killed na lng na walang kaawa awa? stupid policy. ano kaya pinag iisip ng mga rcbc employee na mga un while pinag form a line cla para i-execute. im sure we would want na kahit mamatay man eh ung lumalaban naman. yes bawal nga sa bank employees as policy na mag carry ng FA sa loob ng bangko kaya kami ng immediate supervisor ko at isa kong kasama sa department namin tatatlo lng kami sa department namin thats why we just keep it a secret among the three of us that we carry. tapos ngayon nangyari ito sa rcbc laguna. yung ibang employee na alam na gun enthusiast kami ay nagseseek na rin advice on what FAs to buy and carry. we are happy to help and point them kung san kami bumili at nag train. regarding naman entrusting your security sa guards? oh come on! if your a bank employee who would you trust more the guards or one of your own? if pwede lng nga magdala ng high powered na hindi mahalata eh mag dadala kami eh. mga sir just a note dun nga sa branches namin sa abra. lahat ng lalaking empleyado naka carry. kaya pag magtraining kami dyan manila kung sino yung naka carry yun yung palaging sama sama. hehehehe

Tejeron
05-23-2008, 08:07
they should allow bank employees to bring in their gun especially they should have bank sponsored training how to handle those kinds of situation.

Wp.22
05-23-2008, 18:14
guys you might want to tune it at DZMM today at 11am. I heard in the radio last night that the show of Dean Amado Valdez will tackle the recent incidents. i heard that one of the topics is implementing gun ban and stricter enforcement of the law.

I heard that he is the dean of FEU college of Law.

isuzu
05-23-2008, 19:26
A lot of my former colleagues in the prosecution service are avid shooters. Judges too. It comes with the territory; someone is always ticked off at you merely doing your job... A colleague of mine (Labor Arbiter) was shot in Bacolod only a few months ago; his armed brother-in-law promptly "solved" the case right then and there by plugging the assassin; angle is job-related.


Good thing the brother-in-law is a gun club member and used his G19 well.

BTW, the name Ferdinand Baylon is familiar. Parang Ilonggo. :)

Good post, Deenoh:thumbsup:.