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asian_glockster
05-27-2008, 18:49
Query lang po. Paubos na po kasi ang SMP powder ko. May alam po ba kayo ng powder na pwede sa 9mm, .40SW at .45ACP? Kasi magastos po para sa akin na bibili ng ibang powder para sa tatlong caliber. Ung SMP po kasi pwede kaso wala na po mapagbilhan.. Salamat...

jerrytrini
05-27-2008, 19:08
IMHO, WW231 is the all-around powder. Since 1986, I have been using this on .45, 38Super, 9mm and lately 40SW. Just my 1 Dirham.

asian_glockster
05-27-2008, 21:07
Thanks sir JT, Is this locally available???

jerrytrini
05-27-2008, 22:17
Thanks sir JT, Is this locally available???

I have no idea if this powder is available in the Philippines.

dnotrex
05-28-2008, 00:20
budget concerns? try zira powder

i have used it. ok naman for the 3 cals u mentioned.

asian_glockster
05-28-2008, 02:37
sir dnotrex, san po available ung zira?? dito po me sa Metro Manila..

Django
05-28-2008, 03:56
VV320 cant be beat for the calibers you mentioned.

ogiebb
05-28-2008, 06:11
Titegroup or Clays works fine for me

isuzu
05-28-2008, 18:25
WW231 is very hard to find, especially in the Philippines. I think Hodgdon is the one making the WW231 now.

There are others who use Bullseye; Titegroup, Clays, and Power Pistol have also been mentioned by my suking gunstore as good powders.

You might want to go to the websites of these powders and check the reloading data just to make sure.

asian_glockster
05-28-2008, 18:36
sir django, vv320 po ba available sa stronghand? sirs ogiebb and isuzu will try to look for these powders locally.. tnx

bulm540
05-28-2008, 19:34
Ditto on VV 320, doubt titegroup is available but if it is, it is cheaper than 320 but too smoky for lead. I use Winchester WST for moly coated and lead loads. Least amount of smoke for lead and moly coated loads and 40% cheaper than 320.

dnotrex
05-28-2008, 20:48
sa stronghand available ung zira.

zira is cheaper. P1,200(the last time i got 1, its a cheaper version of N320)

excellent powder talaga ung VV N320. cost around P1,650

zira3 have the same character of the N320. i personally use N320 though.

asian_glockster
05-28-2008, 21:28
thanks sir dnotrex......will go to SH...

JuDGe
05-28-2008, 21:36
better call first stronghand, last time i checked their powder availability is limited

asian_glockster
05-28-2008, 21:40
thanks sir judge

asian_glockster
05-28-2008, 22:30
just called SH. NO powder in stock :(

revo
05-31-2008, 14:16
No kidding. Me powder brand na 'zira' ? Baka ma-zira ang baril pag ginamit yan. lol.

ontopic : I use Titegroup for 9mm and .40S&W but Clays for .45 ACP. Parang standard na ata to sa IPSC/IDPA.

edtf
05-31-2008, 18:02
does zira burn clean? Is there still ADI? If I remember correctly that was an OEM of Clays and International Clays. One of the cleanest burning powder I ever used

Django
05-31-2008, 18:56
Titegroup and Clays are not available in the Phils.

JuDGe
06-01-2008, 01:24
ADI available kay Jethro AP70/AP100/AS30/AS50

As of now AS30 na lang din ang meron sila

asian_glockster
06-01-2008, 02:13
thanks sir judge!!! im on my way to MCS

asian_glockster
06-01-2008, 23:45
just bough AS30N..

Mga sirs, meron po ba kayo load data para sa cal .40 9mm at .45? Nagbigay sila sa Jethro pero kung meron po kayong load data na ginagamit nyo sa calibers na ito gamit ang powder na ito na subok na po nyo??

Thanks

BDW, just visited the website of ADI pero yung sa .40 parang kulang po at yung barrel ay pang 4 inches lang po..

Django
06-02-2008, 00:24
The AP70 would have been a better powder for your .40.

asian_glockster
06-02-2008, 01:11
sir django, I would really prefer AP70 but unfortunately AS30N is the only powder available for sale at jethro....

Django
06-02-2008, 02:51
IIRC, it has a slower burning rate than the AP70. Downsides is that you need to load more powder in your bullets to achieve the desired velocity (and power factor). Upsides would be more consistency in your velocities since you are filling up your shells with more powder. Net, it will cost you a little bit more if you use AS30N than if you're using AP70.

asian_glockster
06-02-2008, 02:58
thanks sir django..

JuDGe
06-02-2008, 03:48
IIRC, it has a slower burning rate than the AP70. Downsides is that you need to load more powder in your bullets to achieve the desired velocity (and power factor). Upsides would be more consistency in your velocities since you are filling up your shells with more powder. Net, it will cost you a little bit more if you use AS30N than if you're using AP70.


sir django, the AS30 is fast burning, comparable to the N310

asian_glockster, if jethro staff has already provided you with their load data, i suggest you try it first with 0.1-0.2grs less, did they classify their data kung major/minor?,.... yung binigay nila sa akin dati na load data for the ap70 is ok naman.

Django
06-02-2008, 07:28
Oops. . . Sorry guys. Yep. Just checked the ADI site. It is a tad slower than the VV310 while the AP 70 is equivalent to the VV 330. Thanks for the heads up Judge.

dnotrex
06-02-2008, 08:47
asian_glockster,

how much the ADI as30n? cant find any N320s here in my area tnx.

asian_glockster
06-02-2008, 18:24
sir judge, will do as instructed. although they only gave me datas for 9mm and 45ACP. (I'll shoot production muna)

sir dnotrex, the powder costs Php1,700

MSgt Dotson
06-02-2008, 18:33
Any Unique there???

Works fine in damn near anything!

isuzu
06-02-2008, 19:31
Any Unique there???

Works fine in damn near anything!

Bullseye and Unique were very popular powders alongside the WW 231 and Mulwex (ADI) during the late '70's towards the mid '90's in the Philippines.

The supply have since dried up and it's very hard to find them, if they happen to be available in limited quantities.

Unique was and is still a versatile powder; you could use them on small calibers up to shotgun loads.

dnotrex
06-02-2008, 20:52
tnx asian_glockster, heard good remarks on the ADI powder will try when my N320 ran out. i dunno why sudden unavailability of the VVN320s.

@django

does it ADI AP70 works well with 180g .40 s&W? like the N320? TIA!

Django
06-02-2008, 21:03
Yep. AP70 works well with both 180 and 200 grs. .40 heads although it leaves a bit more residues in your gun than VV320.

I guess the VV shortage here is due to the confiscation by the PNP of all the VV stocks of Stronghand.

bulm540
06-02-2008, 21:18
Why did the PNP confiscate their V V stock?

dnotrex
06-02-2008, 21:21
thanks man...

kala ko nga bababa presyo ng VV kc baka meron na lumabas outside of stronghand(BM) hehe!

Django
06-02-2008, 21:42
Why did the PNP confiscate their V V stock?

Long story but it seems the warehouse they stored it on did not have any permit.

batangueno
06-04-2008, 12:28
Dapat talaga there should be another dealer that can import and sell different brands of pistol powders. PB was thinking about it before pero hindi yata natuloy.

dnotrex
06-04-2008, 22:51
@django

bro the AP70 is the ADI equivalent to VVN320? TIA.

batangueno
06-04-2008, 22:53
AP70 is more like N340

dnotrex
06-04-2008, 23:19
whats the equivalent of N320 then? tnx batangueno!

batangueno
06-05-2008, 00:01
N310 - AS30
N320 - AP50
N340 - AP70
3N37 - AP100

Note: always work up your load from the minimum load data :)

dnotrex
06-05-2008, 00:21
oks tnx man!

dnotrex
06-05-2008, 00:42
P.S. bro batangueno,

AS30N nlng available..... hows the performance of this powder. am using 180g head on my .40 and 125g head on my 9mil. tnx again!

Django
06-05-2008, 03:01
I just got the Ramshot Silhouette which is equivalent to the VV340. It's selling at Php 1,450 a pound. Am gonna give it a try in my .40 and 9. Will feedback you guys if it's ok.

ahtsay
06-05-2008, 07:23
Django I've been using the VVN320 ever since. However since all we can get now is the AS30, I need some advice on how much to use. When using N320, I use 5.0gr of it with 180gr heads. If AS30, how much do I need to achieve the same velocity kaya? :) Thanks is advance!

Django
06-05-2008, 08:59
Honestly, I've never had any experience with AS30. I used to load 5.0 grs. of AP70 behind a 180 grs. head with an OAL of 29 mm. PF of this load was 175 in my STI then. Since early this year, when the bug to shoot standard bit me again, I have been using a Para and my powder of choice is VV 320. I use the heavier 200 grs teflon coated (painted?) head too.

ahtsay
06-05-2008, 09:06
since AS30 is equivalent to the N310....it should be faster than the N320 right? Therefore I'm supposed to use less of it to achieve the same velocity of the N320. However I don't know how much less hehehe!!! Maybe 4.7gr of AS30? :)

atmarcella
06-05-2008, 09:11
3N37 - AP100


not true! akala ko ganun din. tuloy nag minor ako sa iloilo.

batangueno
06-05-2008, 09:37
P.S. bro batangueno,

AS30N nlng available..... hows the performance of this powder. am using 180g head on my .40 and 125g head on my 9mil. tnx again!

I haven't tried AS30. I think it is more compatible with 45. It is a little too fast for 40 and might cause pressure problems.

not true! akala ko ganun din. tuloy nag minor ako sa iloilo.

Hindi naman 1 is to 1 ang loading, kung 8.0gr of 3N37 is equivalent to 8.0gr of AP100. It's not like that, you still have to adjust as needed to make major. If you want the similar burn rate of 3N37 then you should use AP100.

Django
06-05-2008, 18:31
That's why the best friend of an IPSC shooter (or anyone who reloads for that matter) is still the chronograph. Worth it's weight in gold.

dnotrex
06-05-2008, 20:19
I haven't tried AS30. I think it is more compatible with 45. It is a little too fast for 40 and might cause pressure problems.

thanks, i thought so, thats why the max load on 180g was only 3.5g producing an estimate velo of 847ft/sec based on the ADI website. thus producing just above 150 PF. it also produces the highest pressure. am unfamiliar with this powder im not sure to push it further to attain the major PF(tingin nyo, kaya?) without damaging my STD gun? i have a shooter friend who uses N310 on .40 cal. but his OAL is like 10mm 1.270 in. but VV and ADI are different.

on AS30N, am safe with 9mil, to .40 not. dats my problem now.

yes my best friends are chronograph, accurate scale, tumbler(clean on the hands) and a calipher.:cool:

batangueno
06-05-2008, 21:14
Si Judge hindi nya bestfriend ang chronograph. Ginawang pang zero yata imbes na pang-chrono....hahaha :supergrin:

batangueno
06-05-2008, 21:15
dnotrex, kelangan mo ng good reloader, load long, work up your load slowly then share your load recipe. :supergrin:

JuDGe
06-05-2008, 21:24
Si Judge hindi nya bestfriend ang chronograph. Ginawang pang zero yata imbes na pang-chrono....hahaha :supergrin:

gumalaw yung may hawak ng chrono eh! :tongueout::rofl:

dnotrex
06-05-2008, 21:25
yep i have the 550. so far so good. thanks for the heads up. i've been using the VVs for a long time. ngaun lang ako nagka problem sa powder due to the unavailability of N320s and N340s.

nag fliched ba si Judge while chronoing? its an expensive shot!:supergrin:

ahtsay
06-05-2008, 23:35
:supergrin: Dnotrex, were waiting for your results. Were on the same boat. I probably have about 1 month worth of ammo left. Let us know kung pwede yung AS30 for 40 :supergrin:

tigra
06-05-2008, 23:49
Si Judge hindi nya bestfriend ang chronograph.

e kasi, baka naman yung may ari ng chrono ang bespren nya!:tongueout::rofl:

dnotrex
06-06-2008, 05:21
i'm asking around... mukhang d yata pwede AS30N bro. masyado mataas pressure if i go beyond the max load as stated in the ADI website. naghahanap ako dito sa area ko, sa zira natest ko for .40 Zira3, my load on zira3 is 3.6, 200g PF of 175, on 180g 4.0g PF of 173-175.

kaso walang Zira3 din ako makita. Zira2 lang. but its only good for .45 and 9mil...patay tayo. prod nalng muna tayo mga bros.

ahtsay
06-06-2008, 07:52
i'm asking around... mukhang d yata pwede AS30N bro. masyado mataas pressure if i go beyond the max load as stated in the ADI website. naghahanap ako dito sa area ko, sa zira natest ko for .40 Zira3, my load on zira3 is 3.6, 200g PF of 175, on 180g 4.0g PF of 173-175.

kaso walang Zira3 din ako makita. Zira2 lang. but its only good for .45 and 9mil...patay tayo. prod nalng muna tayo mga bros.

:shocked: I just bought a boatload of ZiiRA 2 :shocked: Kala ko kasi pwede pang 40 eh. Zira 3 pala yung ginagamit mo? :faint:
The question is, is Zira 2 faster or slower than Zira 3? Can anyone recommend a load for Zira 2 in case pwede pang 40? Maski pang practice lang or level 1.

Django
06-06-2008, 08:09
Like me, just buy Ramshot Silhouette for practice. Works for both the 40 and the 9. I requested for their load data online and they sent it to me immediately. I was impressed. Let's see if their powder is as good as their customer service. I'll let you know as soon as I load and test it.

ahtsay
06-06-2008, 08:15
I tried to surf for ZiiRA powder online and came up blank. I think the local importer is repacking them and then reselling them under another name. I'm not sure but do you think ZiiRA is actually "Accurate" powders? The company importing/distributing these powders is called Akurate Corp. :upeyes: So parang may correlation. I found the load data for Accurate powders and they do have the No.2 listed for 40S&W. http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/Accurate%20v322%20web%20publication.pdf

What do you guys think? Accurate kaya yung assumption ko? :supergrin:

Django
06-06-2008, 08:20
I would not bank on it. Barrels are expensive nowadays.

batangueno
06-06-2008, 10:13
ahtsay, call stronghand they should have load data for ziira. Dati binigyan nila ako ng pamphlet ng ziira load data.

ahtsay
06-06-2008, 10:39
Stronghand said that the ZiiRa 2 is not recommended for 40 cal :crying:
Siguro magpapatulong nalang ako kay Shihan, he should be able to come up with a load for practice :supergrin: