SB184:Castle Doctrine/ Firearms bill headed to Governor for signature! [Archive]

chlnwohio

05-29-2008, 20:33

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/5725

On behalf of the leaders at Buckeye Firearms, thanks to all of you who stepped up and contacted your legislators in support of our amendment to SB 184. Every call, letter and email matters in these situations. This is a major victory on many levels and we have come a long way since the HB 12 and even HB 347 days just last year. We are only as effective as our grass roots supporters and you all have truly outshined the competition these past couple weeks.

Please stay tuned and spread the word. We have many more issues we are working on and are already back in the trenches. Please be sure to thank the legislators who voted our way and help them out in their campaigns this summer wherever you can. Helping pro gun leislators on campaigns pays many dividends when our issues come to the table at the state house.

Take care.

John

Linda

05-29-2008, 21:15

What a glorious day it's been in the Statehouse today...and yesterday...and the day before.....and the two days last week....and......,:supergrin:

Now that I'm broke from all the gas and parking fees from over the months and months of making the treks to the Statehouse, I just won't know what I'll do with all my spare time. But I'm sure you guys will find something to keep me occupied.:faint:

As John said, our leadership team is always in awe of the incrediable out pouring of calls, emails, faxes from the people, when we ask for that to happen. Grassroots, that's the key to all of this and every little bit helps.

Make sure you thank your Senator and Represenative if they voted yes. If they voted no, let them know your disdain for their actions.

HUGE thank yous go out to Buckeye Firearms Legislative chair, Ken Hanson for all of his pro bono work on this, and to NRA-ILA liaison John Howenwarter. Without these two great guys, we would have never gotten this passed.

G-19

05-29-2008, 22:24

YAHOO.........This is a step in the right direction. Thanks to all of you that worked so hard to make this happen.

skyboss_4evr

05-29-2008, 22:37

When will this all go into effect?

G-19

05-29-2008, 22:39

90 days after the govenor signs it.

skyboss_4evr

05-29-2008, 22:51

Awesome. In case you're wondering, I grew up in Ohio and frequently visit family/friends still living there.

Hask12

05-30-2008, 06:15

Is the drop off and pick up on school grounds covered under State Preemption, or can that be overridden by individual school districts?
I assume the Katrina Amendment was dropped.

Linda

05-30-2008, 07:53

Hask, I put your guestion directly to the man, and this is Ken Hanson's answer, which doesn't answer your guestion:

We don’t even know what state “preemption” means yet until the OSC decides Clyde. Hell, for that matter we don’t even know if the Ohio concealed carry license is a statewide license yet.

L. Kenneth Hanson Esq.

Katrina was dropped, because it had opposition that was going to tie up all this important legislation for months that we got through. We are already covered federally under a Katrina law. The Ohio version had no penalties drafted in it anyhow.

Buki192327

05-30-2008, 12:48

Thanks you for getting this important legislation on its way to the Govenor for his signature. I e-mailed both my Representative and Senator. Guess they didn't care what I thought, as both are term limited. I will remember this treatment if either person, should decide to run for elected office again.

Thanks again for your time and effort on this important legislation.

Gary1911A1

05-30-2008, 13:52

I worked with the Governor before retiring from Mental Health at a state prison. Ted had attended Friends of the NRA Banquets, but I wasn't really sure he was pro gun until recently. Who would of thought a Democrat Governor would support this? Are Ill. gun owners jealous of us or what.

Hask12

05-30-2008, 13:56

Linda,
Thank you to you and everyone at Buckeye Firearms for all the hard work you have done, to further enhance our rights under Concealed Carry. Ohio, for some reason, has not been an easy State to get pro gun legislation passed. But to see the way the voting went this week is incredibly reassuring, and makes me feel very positive about our future.
Sure, things can change in the future but I will always be a strong supporter of Buckeye Firearms. Thanks again for all you hard work.

chuckz28

05-30-2008, 14:36

I just got the news of this myself, and its about time! I emailed my senator and house representatives and got positive feedback from both, however I think the most important thing I did to help was bringing up the issue with a good freind of mine whos dad happens to be a state senator and is a member of the house criminal and justice committee. A quick talk with him gave me the assurance that his father is always a pro-second amendmant supporter and he would discuss the issue with him to make sure his support for this bill would be there. :cool:

anyplainjoe

05-30-2008, 19:29

Thanks to all!

Linda

05-30-2008, 22:28

Thank you Hask and every one of you who have shown support to Buckeye Firearms. We have a fantastic leadership team. We've worked very hard to get where we are now. It's a labor of love for our Constitution, and we keep each other motivated because of the dedication we have. Plus, it's just a lot of fun, especially when things go our way.

Huge thanks to the grassroots efforts. When we asked for everyone to call, fax, email their Senators and Reps, you all produced! You showed trust in what BFA is doing, since a lot of what we were working on could not be made public until last week. This really did move very quickly in political terms, especially for Ohio. Thank you for having the trust and confidence in BFA leadership to produce when we asked!!!

TheStreetKing

06-01-2008, 16:28

Thank God i live in Ohio, Strickland is probably one of the most Pro Gun Democratic Governors in the Nation.

anyplainjoe

06-01-2008, 20:35

I think he might be one of the most pro-gun Guvs, period.

joedoc

06-01-2008, 20:51

thanks for all your efforts on behalf of ohio gun owners

Glock30man

06-01-2008, 22:29

First of all, thank you to everyone at Buckeye Firearms Association for all the hard work in fighting for our gun rights. I'll be sending in a donation as soom as I get my next commission check!

I do have a question about this:

"Clarifies an unloaded firearm as one with no ammunition in the firearm or in magazines or speedloaders, regardless of where else ammunition is stored"

Does this mean if you have a loaded magazine a gun case with an unloaded weapon, the weapon is still considered loaded? I hate that about the current Ohio law.

Also, what do we need to do to make some headway on being able to carry in restaurants? This is a big one for me.

Thanks again!

firedog978

06-02-2008, 05:53

First, thanks to BFA and all the hard work from exeryone there. A special thanks to Linda for her work there and keeping us here at GT informed. I am re-considering my position concerning donations to BFA.

Secondly, I never believed (as most here know) that this Governor was much more than hot air on issue regarding Ohio and the 2ND Amendment. As soon as he inks the Bill, I'll be 100% convinced of him on gun issues.

Hask12

06-02-2008, 07:15

Get ready Firedog. You and I are about to eat a little humble pie. Strickland has already said he will sign this bill. It may come as early as today. From what I hear it's all but a done deal.

Linda

06-02-2008, 09:16

I do have a question about this:

"Clarifies an unloaded firearm as one with no ammunition in the firearm or in magazines or speedloaders, regardless of where else ammunition is stored"

Does this mean if you have a loaded magazine a gun case with an unloaded weapon, the weapon is still considered loaded? I hate that about the current Ohio law.

You can't have loaded magazines. I understand your frustration. Understand, a lot of this bill gives "definitions" to otherwise previous bad law. Old law, if you had your firearm lock in a case all by it's self, put your ammo in your range bag, and then put that locked gun case in your range bag, you have just LOADED your firearm. Yes, there is case law!!!!

Also, what do we need to do to make some headway on being able to carry in restaurants? This is a big one for me.

Thanks again!

That's a big one for most all of us. That one would have held us up for months, and possibly would have killed this entire bill. There were way too many things that we considered "emergency" fixes that needed to be passed.

Firedog, I knew I'd win your heart over sooner or later.:supergrin: And all it took was getting Ohio's most sweeping gun reform bill passed in the history of Ohio! It's the little things that count! :cool:

A little tidbit about our Governor, he actually got the amendments a week before the House CJ committee got them. He signed off on 19 of our 21 wish list amendments.:supergrin: You notice, the House stripped out 3 more.:steamed: So who's that make more pro-gun? Ah, our very own Gov. Strickland!:whistling:

firedog978

06-02-2008, 09:17

Hask, you're right and that pie tastes terrible. But, I'm glad to be eating it. Now, that takes care of Teddy's serving it on gun issues. Let's hope we don't get swamped with liberal social issues, ridiculous school spending, soft immigration, pandering to labor unions, higher taxes and the rest of a liberal agenda. I'm going to wash the fork I ate the pie with.

firedog978

06-02-2008, 09:20

Firedog, I knew I'd win your heart over sooner or later.:supergrin: And all it took was getting Ohio's most sweeping gun reform bill passed in the history of Ohio! It's the little things that count! :cool:

:

You did! :faint:

ArodJohns

06-02-2008, 10:06

You can't have loaded magazines. I understand your frustration. Understand, a lot of this bill gives "definitions" to otherwise previous bad law. Old law, if you had your firearm lock in a case all by it's self, put your ammo in your range bag, and then put that locked gun case in your range bag, you have just LOADED your firearm. Yes, there is case law!!!!

That's a big one for most all of us. That one would have held us up for months, and possibly would have killed this entire bill. There were way too many things that we considered "emergency" fixes that needed to be passed.

Firedog, I knew I'd win your heart over sooner or later.:supergrin: And all it took was getting Ohio's most sweeping gun reform bill passed in the history of Ohio! It's the little things that count! :cool:

A little tidbit about our Governor, he actually got the amendments a week before the House CJ committee got them. He signed off on 19 of our 21 wish list amendments.:supergrin: You notice, the House stripped out 3 more.:steamed: So who's that make more pro-gun? Ah, our very own Gov. Strickland!

I'm sorry to sound dense, but Strickland's signed it already?

-Prepares to do happy dance- :supergrin:

Denied

06-02-2008, 10:51

Making political changes is like eating the proverbial elephant "a bite at a time". Be thankful that we are seeing progress, I have been around a long time and starting with CHL back (what 5 years ago?) is the first progress to give law abiding citizens anything concerning self protection. Be patient and don't screw up, more changes are likely.
Many thanks to all who had a hand in this including the politicians.

Linda

06-02-2008, 11:10

Strickland has not signed yet, unless no one let us know. It needed to get signatures from Senate Pres. Harris and Speaker Husted, prior to hitting the Govs. desk. Once Gov. Strickland signs, it will go into effect 90 days later.

Linda

06-02-2008, 11:23

this one's for firedog;

We finally hit a :milestone:

after sometimes doing this :duel:

so now let's have a grouphug :grouphug:

Sorry, we needed to do this for a moment on this momentus occassion :arg:

thiscoplovescoins

06-05-2008, 11:49

My thoughts on this.......

Seeing how the flamers that won't run what I have to say. I will post it here.
To all of the members/readers of B****** **********,

I presently work in Law Enforcement and I am proud of it. Previous to working in Law Enforcement I carried under my CHL (Which I still have to this day).

I presently support SB 184 "The Castle Doctrine". Although, I have some reservations on some parts of the bill. My biggest issue is where the law states "Expunged/Sealed records are no longer considered when applying for a CHL"

You see when I entered into the Police Academy sealed and or expunged records affected one cadet. He was kicked out because of he CCW charge a while back. I did not think that was fair considering his present background as a Ohio CCW instructor and military experience.

You see my biggest problem was that for his charge that was sealed was it was legal for him to carry at this present time. Which I had no problem with. However, the people that have things sealed up such as a plea bargain deal relating to domestic violence. You see these are the people I worry about. Most of which I deal with every time I go to work. I have met these people on traffic stops and they are the ones that bother me the most. Even the ones with the drug charges bother me.

For example the ones who had felony drug charges for heroin or cocaine that were lucky enough to get a reduced charge from a plea deal. I know it might not make sense but the people that have had misdemeanor marijuana charges aren't normally a problem. I can understand how some of us might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Those things happen. Or the one time you decided to try pot they found it on you. I am a strong believer in second chances and I have given plenty of the same. But for someone who had a drug that is one of the higher scheduled and or classed drugs (that included pills). Should not in my opinion be given another shot. Because sometimes in life you don't get any second chances and you one get one. This should be one of them.

I know alot of you will not agree with me on this and that we might rather agree to disagree. But remember if I stop you for something and you have a CHL. You will have my support and understanding. Just remember don't speed and always buckle up. Drive safe and use your head in all situations.

Thank you for your time

And if anyone think this flames up anti-law enforcement feelings. Then I am sorry. If you agree to disagree with my thoughts I am ok with that also.

chlnwohio

06-05-2008, 18:23

degoodman

06-05-2008, 23:01

I presently support SB 184 "The Castle Doctrine". Although, I have some reservations on some parts of the bill. My biggest issue is where the law states "Expunged/Sealed records are no longer considered when applying for a CHL"

While on one hand, I can see your cause for concern, I will have to admit that I am of the opposite opinion.

First off, and while I'm no expert on the process, having criminal records sealed or expunged is not an easy process, nor one that is guaranteed to succeed. First off, a minimum of three years has to have passed since the conviction, the conviction cannot carry with it a mandatory prison term, you have to have had a clean record since the conviction, and it's a one time deal, you don't get to seal records over and over again. The prosecutor is notified, and has an opportunity to object. Etc. There is plenty of process in place to make sure that if you get an expungement, you really have reformed your wayward ways.

My other point is that a sealing of records is supposed to be a full restoration of your civil rights. Fully restored is fully restored. That means right to CCW, everything.

And, I can see the difference between CCW and employment as a police officer. There is a whole host of things that can disqualify someone from employment as a cop. An arrest alone, without a conviction can do it. A bad credit report, a bad psych evaluation, etc. The standard to serve in a LE capacity is much higher than the standard for a regular citizen to exrcise their civil rights. It sucks for your friend, but I really think the bar from LE employment and the bar from CCW based on an expungement really are apples and oranges.

So if an expungement were easy to obtain over and over again I'd be in a different camp. But since an expungement is not an easy thing to obtain, there is a judicial review, the prosecutor can object to it, and it's a one time only thing, so habitual offenders don't get covered by that umbrella, I think it is a provision that needed to go.

Racsan

06-06-2008, 08:00

This is such a non-issue, it hardly warrants touching on, but you wanted feedback.

You see when I entered into the Police Academy sealed and or expunged records affected one cadet. He was kicked out because of he CCW charge a while back. I did not think that was fair considering his present background as a Ohio CCW instructor and military experience.

So you don't think this is fair for someone who is attempting to complete police school, but it is Ok to exclude the person who wants to protect their family? Why is there any difference?

Because sometimes in life you don't get any second chances and you one get one. This should be one of them.

You are welcome to this opinion, but the courts and the judge and the prosecutors all together get to decided when someone gets a second chance. It is not up to individual officers to decide this. If you don't like the current process for sealing convictions, get it changed. If someone goes through the expense and effort and the the judge and prosecutor and court decides he should be given a second chance, that should be the final decision. If the person screws up again, he won't be given the same chance again, that is the way the law works.

But remember if I stop you for something and you have a CHL. You will have my support and understanding.

Wow, that is very kind of you

thiscoplovescoins

06-06-2008, 11:51

A few questions if you don't mind officer Pelish. How many of the offenses you speak of are eligible to be sealed? What's the process for sealing a record? Sealed records are ordered by the court and law enforcement officers, including Sheriffs are not free to pick and choose which court orders they obey are they?

Thanks. What department are you working for?
Once again I give an opinion and you cry about it. You always cry about everything. And No I am not Pelish you moron! Even if I was sure in the hell would tell any of you. Look, let me put it this way. If you want the full support of law enforcement don't act like an a s s ! When all of this went into effect the sheriff could look into sealed records as far as I new.

You see I have given up on the whole CHL thing unless it applies to something I have direct contact with. Then I am willing to be more than fair. But you seem to want to act like a jerk and overreact. It seems pretty obvious you along with Mr Dan Sayers have gone over the top about the whole entire thing about civil rights and the 2nd amendment. It is good to support your cause and the all of your rights. But when you run around going over the top about it. Then the sheeple end up getting scared.

You sound like someone from Waco or the FLDS. Or some of the other over the top extreme groups. I have a long list of them. I am not saying BFA is over the top. I do however think after reading the articles that they will end up in pile of dookie along with OFCC and the politicians running this for own gain. Lets look at Marc Dann gun rights supporter. Oh no you'd better duck and run. It all comes down to money. Even Bruce Beatty will tell you that. He knows politics better than anyone. Look how they ran him through the system. I have a alot of respect for people wanting to stand up for what they believe in. But when someone has an opinion opposite of yours. You end up crying foul. Kind of like the NAACP and the whole Chris Rock joke. Take a hint less in your case is more and the more you open your mouth and make yourself out too look like an a s s. The worse you make it for others. Spare us all and save it for when its really needed.

thiscoplovescoins

06-06-2008, 12:25

This is such a non-issue, it hardly warrants touching on, but you wanted feedback.

So you don't think this is fair for someone who is attempting to complete police school, but it is Ok to exclude the person who wants to protect their family? Why is there any difference?

You are welcome to this opinion, but the courts and the judge and the prosecutors all together get to decided when someone gets a second chance. It is not up to individual officers to decide this. If you don't like the current process for sealing convictions, get it changed. If someone goes through the expense and effort and the the judge and prosecutor and court decides he should be given a second chance, that should be the final decision. If the person screws up again, he won't be given the same chance again, that is the way the law works.

Wow, that is very kind of you
Actually cops do get a say when someone get something sealed. The prosecutor contacts the local agency and lets it be heard on what they have to say on the matter.

Now as far as someone who is trying to complete any academy. It should have been equal. If the SCSO didn't find anything they were worried about. Then OPOTA should have either.

But people with certain types of background should not be given a second chance. Also, I did not ask for any opinion. However, if you want to cry over spilled milk go for it.

chlnwohio

06-06-2008, 18:38

Wow Will. I ask a few questions that you obviously can't answer and you call me names? You are a fine example for the LEO community. What department are you working for again?

ohioselfdefense

06-06-2008, 19:23

Sure smells like Will Pelish. He's a cop now?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=290275619

Gary1911A1

06-06-2008, 19:51

I may of missed this, but wasn't Ted suppose to sign SB184 this week?

Linda

06-06-2008, 19:53

Gov. Strickland will sign it this coming Tuesday.:supergrin:

Gary1911A1

06-07-2008, 16:31

Gov. Strickland will sign it this coming Tuesday.:supergrin:

Thanks, Linda. I know you're in the Know on such things!

anyplainjoe

06-10-2008, 14:19

Any update?

G-19

06-10-2008, 16:16

He signed it.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=11130

Gary1911A1

06-10-2008, 17:15

He signed it.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=11130

Thank you G19 and Ted. I'll vote for him next time.:cheers:

WILLSARV

06-10-2008, 18:13

Thank you G19 and Ted. I'll vote for him next time.:cheers:

Unfortunately, he won't be running "next time". He will be the VP to Husein Osamah. And since he won't be govenor, we will get Lee Fisher. A double screwing!:steamed:

CincyBrad

06-10-2008, 18:53

Unfortunately, he won't be running "next time". He will be the VP to Husein Osamah. And since he won't be govenor, we will get Lee Fisher. A double screwing!:steamed:

I don't know, I'm not sure Ted is liberal enough for Obama. They differ pretty strongly on a number of issues, one being guns of course.

WILLSARV

06-10-2008, 18:59

I don't know, I'm not sure Ted is liberal enough for Obama. They differ pretty strongly on a number of issues, one being guns of course.

Agreed, but Osamah needs Ohio to win and Ted might have future plans for the Oval office.

chuckz28

06-10-2008, 20:17

WILLSARV

06-10-2008, 20:19

Strickland said today on NPR he would absolutly not accept a VP position for Obama. He said quote "If drafted I will not run. If nomimated I will not accept. If elected I will not serve" Strickland seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders.

Just heard that myself. Hope he sticks to it. Now, if he would forget about Osamah, I could get behind him even more.

firedog978

06-11-2008, 06:05

What day (date), did he sign it? 90 days countdown from then.
Thanks again to all who helped get this passed.

WILLSARV

06-11-2008, 06:09

What day (date), did he sign it? 90 days countdown from then.
Thanks again to all who helped get this passed.

Yesterday, 6/10/08. So that makes it about 9/9/08.

mmc45414

06-11-2008, 08:04

However, the people that have things sealed up such as a plea bargain deal relating to domestic violence. You see these are the people I worry about. Most of which I deal with every time I go to work. I have met these people on traffic stops and they are the ones that bother me the most. You might want to consider that most of the DV related stuff that has been expunged and sealed were the outcome of bogus charges that lacked due process. They are not representative of the people that you are dealing with now cause you wouldn't know, since the records are sealed, after all.

It has evolved by now but a few years ago all a pissed off wife had to do to send their husband to jail was have fast enough fingers to dial 911 first. I am just one suburban middle class putz, and I am aware of two totally lame accusations that resulted in DV convictions that needed to be expunged.