good for Taurus

[FLIPPER 348]

funny that they mention them by name though

http://www.bakercityherald.com/news/story.cfm?story_no=6690

[eddief4]

RIGHT......you know damn well that he shot the bear and when the sheriff found out he made up the story to save his ass from jail time:supergrin:

[xd357]

good thing he had a .45:nsb:

[GLOCKN8OR]

I love the media non-gun types who insist on showing their ignorance about by saying and repeating the obligatory "clip" misnomer. :upeyes:

Good for this guy. Too bad for the bear, it looks like it was a very pretty animal.

I wonder if he was using normal FMJs?

[FLIPPER 348]

What about all the gun makers and combat veterans who use the term clip? Are they ignorant also??

[GLOCKN8OR]

What about all the gun makers and combat veterans who use the term clip? Are they ignorant also??

Yes.

Just because people honorably serve their country doesn't mean they're automatically infallible or impervious to saying or believing something ignorant. :upeyes:

I imagine the gun makers who use the incorrect "clip" nomenclature are pandering to those who incorrectly believe the correct term for a spring loaded magazine is a "clip." My guess is calling a magazine a "clip" for a gun maker is a willful bottom-line enhancing decision designed to appease the ignorant prospective gun owner who erroneously believes a mag is a "clip."

[FLIPPER 348]

I call them clips or mags all the time and so do all of my shooting buddies. We all did in the Army also. I hope that is ok with you because we are not going to change!

[GLOCKN8OR]

I call them clips or mags all the time and so do all of my shooting buddies. We all did in the Army also. I hope that is ok with you because we are not going to change!

Good for you...and your buddies. :upeyes:

[Ruggles]

"Just because people honorably serve their country doesn't mean they're automatically infallible or impervious to saying or believing something ignorant"


It never stops amazing me that these people get so bent out of shape about a word. The writer of the article was conveying a message to the the readers, they fully understood what the writer was saying when he/she used the word "clip", and so did you. What is the problem? Do you some how feel superior because you believe you have some mastery of firearm terminology because you use the word magazine instead of clip? Get over yourself.

As for implying that the vets who use the term clip are ignorant.....what a pompous jerk you. The difference is they have "used" their clips and you have "fondled" your magazines

:yuck:

[GLOCKN8OR]

Wow, where to start?

It never stops amazing me that these people get so bent out of shape about a word.

Right back at you.

Words and their meaning(s) are important Ruggles. Just read the history of Contemporary American Law.

That isn't the point though.

If you want to sound ignorant and have people not take you seriously about guns, that is entirely up to you. Have at it. It is your right to sound ignorant and my right to have an opinion about what is ignorant.

If you think I'm such a prick because of my opinion, let me rot in my arrogance!

Honestly, you're doing a hellova job calling the kettle black in saying that I am the one who is "bent out of shape." This is classic projection on your part.

Actually, I am far from bent out of shape. Go back and re-read my original post. I was commenting on media types whose anti-gun tell can be spotted in calling a magazine a clip. The vet thing came up when someone (who was indeed all "bent out of shape") asked me about it.


The writer of the article was conveying a message to the the readers, they fully understood what the writer was saying when he/she used the word "clip", and so did you. Do you some how feel superior because you believe you have some mastery of firearm terminology because you use the word magazine instead of clip? Get over yourself.

A. I did know what the author was talking about; only because it is a very pervasive misnomer. They essentially called an apple a pear. Because I am familiar with the 1911 platform, I also knew the writer of the article has little understanding of guns.

B. I am over myself. I have no superiority complex, thanks for playing. Again, projection.

C. Why so upset about a post? Don't you have anything else to fret over? Get a life!

As for implying that the vets who use the term clip are ignorant.....what a pompous jerk you. The difference is they have "used" their clips and you have "fondled" your magazines
:yuck:

A. How do you know I am not a vet?

B. How do you know I haven't used a firearm/weapon either in SD, or securing this or other nation's freedom(s)--or both? :wow:

You're assuming an awful lot...and you're showing your hand, dude. Again, who has the superiority complex?

Your wanton arrogance in assuming that because those who serve this great country are automatically above any criticism is pathetically small-minded and a tactic used to silence people through a shield of perceived moral superiority. The tactic you used in your post has also been employed by some pretty despicable people and politicians who seek to ban firearms that use both mags and clips. Hope you're proud.

Anyhow, "clip," no matter how much you want it to be, is not, and will never be a proper substitute for magazine. Words are important, and they mean something. It doesn't matter if you've served your country or not, a mag is a mag and a clip is a clip. The meaning of words does not change based on your military service.

I own an M1 Garand and along with it, many, many en bloc clips. I also own many semi-autos and have hundreds of magazines. I know the difference, and so should you. The antis use certain terminology that should be a tell to law-abiding gun owners about their feelings regarding the second amendment (i.e. assault weapons, high capacity clips, firearms of unusual lethality etc.). It is MY OPINION that gun-owners who value their rights, in order to differentiate themselves from those who seek to strip them of their liberties, use the correct terminology.

To quote you: "pompous jerk you." This is all classic Freudian projection on your part.

Besides, name calling is so juvenille. :upeyes: :yawn:

"get over yourself"

Indeed.

[FLIPPER 348]

........calling a mag a clip means you are anti-gun?

dude, you have issues!

[GLOCKN8OR]

........calling a mag a clip means you are anti-gun?

dude, you have issues!

My huge post and thats what you take out of it?

And I have issues!!! :rofl:

[Ruggles]

"My huge post and thats what you take out of it?'

Didn't you mean my huge and pointless post?

Really you are trying to defend calling vets who use the term clip instead of magazine firearm ignorant.....you are on thin ice and it's breaking.......

Ask yourself this. Did anyone reading the article have any issues understudying what he writer was conveying because he used the term clip instead of magazine? Does it matter then at all?

Put the shovel down, stop digging the hole and start to climb out already.

[GLOCKN8OR]

"My huge post and thats what you take out of it?'

Didn't you mean my huge and pointless post?

Oh, there was a point...apparently it was lost on you.

Really you are trying to defend calling vets who use the term clip instead of magazine firearm ignorant

Your grammar is terrible, but I think that was a question. And again, how do you know I am not a vet? And yes, vets/non-vets/plumbers/government workers/dentists/milkmen/police officers/pilots/athletes/rappers who call a magazine a "clip" are ignorant about the spring-fed magazine's true nomenclature. AND THAT IS OKAY!!! I am ignorant of Russian Literature, Cooking, Carpentry, and Pottery! Being ignorant of one thing does not make someone totally ignorant!! Normally I don't think this would need to be said, but I can only assume you thought I was calling vets TOTALLY ignorant if they use the term "clip" to refer to a magazine!! THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS DOING!!!

.....you are on thin ice and it's breaking.......

There is no ice, buddy. Call it a clip if you like...sound ignorant. Fine. Being military or not has nothing to do with it.

The point of my post really was lost on you.

Ask yourself this. Did anyone reading the article have any issues understudying what he writer was conveying because he used the term clip instead of magazine? Does it matter then at all?

It matters to me, yes. If it doesn't matter to you, fine. Ignore my innocently written original post!

I'm sorry for bringing it up, and sorry for feeding the trolling question of the OG poster!

I'm sorry your ego is so small that my meaningless opinion ruined your day, too!


Put the shovel down, stop digging the hole and start to climb out already

No need. You invented the hole, shovel, and the ice...and while we're at it, this whole predicament.

If both of you rely on ad hom attacks and emotion, I'm certainly not the one with the shovel digging a hole or on thin ice. :upeyes:

[Ruggles]

:crying:

Grammar Nazi mad me feel bad.

:tongueout:

I wonder what deep original thought will come next.

:nailbiting:

Thus far we have learned:

1. Using the term clip is anti gun because we all know high capacity magazine is more acceptable sounding to anti gun people that high capacity clip.

2. Using the term clip shows ignorance of firearms, even though thousands of combat vets use it. But what do they know? I bet thousands of folks have died in fighting holes because they asked someone to pass them a clip of ammo and the other person had no ideal what they were asking for.

3. Calling someone a pompous jerk is name calling but calling someone ignorant (a vet no less) because they use the term clip is not.

4. There are thousands of readers of the original article concerning the bear attack who have no ideal what occurred because they do not understand what a clip is in regards to a gun. Had the writer used the term magazine they would have had a clear understanding.

5. GLOCKN8OR is not a vet and is somewhat touchy about it. He wants to make sure that everyone knows that being a vet has no place in this conversation. I served with a Gunny in 1987 who was a Vietnam vet and used the term clip when speaking of his Beretta M9. I now know he was ignorant.

I stand waiting to learn more.....

:notworthy:

[GLOCKN8OR]

Grammar Nazi mad me feel bad.

:tongueout:

I wonder what deep original thought will come next.


Thus far we have learned:

1. Using the term clip is anti gun because we all know high capacity magazine is more acceptable sounding to anti gun people that high capacity clip.

2. Using the term clip shows ignorance of firearms, even though thousands of combat vets use it. But what do they know? I bet thousands of folks have died in fighting holes because they asked someone to pass them a clip of ammo and the other person had no ideal what they were asking for.

3. Calling someone a pompous jerk is name calling but calling someone ignorant (a vet no less) because they use the term clip is not.

4. There are thousands of readers of the original article concerning the bear attack who have no ideal what occurred because they do not understand what a clip is in regards to a gun. Had the writer used the term magazine they would have had a clear understanding.

5. GLOCKN8OR is not a vet and is somewhat touchy about it. He wants to make sure that everyone knows that being a vet has no place in this conversation. I served with a Gunny in 1987 who was a Vietnam vet and used the term clip when speaking of his Beretta M9. I now know he was ignorant.

I stand waiting to learn more.....

:notworthy:

What I've learned according to the two US Veterans who've willfully (not ignorantly:upeyes:) made a mountain out of a molehill:

1. If someone calls you ignorant about one common misnomer regarding guns, you are TOTALLY and COMPLETELY ignorant about guns, weaponry, and EVERYTHING else; inluding, but not limited to, computers, mechanics, calculus, picture puzzles, picking fruit, walking etc. :upeyes:

2. Never, ever mention ignorance and vets in the same sentence, even if you're asked your opinion on the topic. Vets are above being ignorant about anything; especially weaponry or the correct nomenclature of weaponry. And even if your post was innocuous and conditionally called ALL PEOPLE (INCLUDING VETS) ignorant who use incorrect terms to describe gun parts, it will be parsed and taken out of context and then used against you in a continuously metamorphosizing way making it seem like you're anti vet. If you attempt to correct the record, remember, further attempts to explain will result in more specious assertions/attacks.

3. Don't state your opinion on a gun board about vets. Vets are allowed (but many refuse) to use their service as a shield to trump to logical and honest discussion. If you offend a vet, and they assert (many times over) you're a chickenhawk, you will be ganged up on and ad hom'ed into submission while they call you names.

4. Clip and Magazine are interchangeable terms. You have no right for it to bother you, much less to comment on it...especially if it offends a vet.

5. Even if you might be a vet and come from a family of vets, including a Colonel and an Lieutenant Colonel (all Army), and routinely interact with vets from all branches of the US Military who call a magazine and magazine on hunts, during drills and at the range, if a more seasoned vet calls you on it, you're wrong and you'll be ad hom'ed into submission with tenuous arguments, aggressive assertions, and out-of context repetitions of previous posts that will falsely be attributed to you.

:faint:

For the record, I am truly sorry this cat-fight has hijacked this thread, it was not my intent; nor did I start it.

[FLIPPER 348]

Put the shovel down, stop digging the hole and start to climb out already.




way too late!

[Ruggles]

"For the record, I am truly sorry this cat-fight has hijacked this thread, it was not my intent; nor did I start it."

See post 6 & 8. You did start it when you said (not implied) that vets using the term clip instead of magazine were ignorant. Leave your insults of the vets out of the conversation and nothing would have started.

Your mistaken belief that anyone using the term clip is somehow anti gun (again not implied but clearly stated by you) is also silly.

In fact these two statements by you are the only two to have gotten any feedback from anyone from what I can see.

I do not know you and really am not concerned about what you call any parts of your firearms. Insults people by calling them ignorant for using the term clip and implying that they are anti gun for doing so and I have a few things to say.

Enough is enough, feel free to stand down and let's end this thing.

:notlistening:

[GLOCKN8OR]

"For the record, I am truly sorry this cat-fight has hijacked this thread, it was not my intent; nor did I start it."

See post 6 & 8. You did start it when you said (not implied) that vets using the term clip instead of magazine were ignorant. Leave your insults of the vets out of the conversation and nothing would have started.

Incorrect, again. The original poster ASKED my opinion...hardly hyjacking his thread. Post number 5:

FLIPPER 348 What about all the gun makers and combat veterans who use the term clip? Are they ignorant also??


Your mistaken belief that anyone using the term clip is somehow anti gun (again not implied but clearly stated by you) is also silly.

This is something you dreamed up.

What I said:

The antis use certain terminology that should be a tell to law-abiding gun owners about their feelings regarding the second amendment (i.e. assault weapons, high capacity clips, firearms of unusual lethality etc.). It is MY OPINION that gun-owners who value their rights, in order to differentiate themselves from those who seek to strip them of their liberties, use the correct terminology.

If you can derive from the above quote that I think everyone who says clip in place of mag is an anti, your proclivity towards absolutes and/or intellectual dishonesty is startling.


I do not know you and really am not concerned about what you call any parts of your firearms. Insults people by calling them ignorant for using the term clip and implying that they are anti gun for doing so and I have a few things to say.

Duly noted:

ME: POST 11 If you want to sound ignorant and have people not take you seriously about guns, that is entirely up to you. Have at it. It is your right to sound ignorant and my right to have an opinion about what is ignorant.

If you think I'm such a prick because of my opinion, let me rot in my arrogance!

Enough is enough, feel free to stand down and let's end this thing.

Just like the US Military, I will stand down when the mission is over and my side is the victor. I'll let my arguments and your attempts at cogent argumentation stand for themselves.

[deadday]

Yes.

Just because people honorably serve their country doesn't mean they're automatically infallible or impervious to saying or believing something ignorant. :upeyes:

I imagine the gun makers who use the incorrect "clip" nomenclature are pandering to those who incorrectly believe the correct term for a spring loaded magazine is a "clip." My guess is calling a magazine a "clip" for a gun maker is a willful bottom-line enhancing decision designed to appease the ignorant prospective gun owner who erroneously believes a mag is a "clip."


No, combat veterans use clip as well as magazines, so sometimes they use the words interchangeably...





drew

[GLOCKN8OR]

No, combat veterans use clip as well as magazines, so sometimes they use the words interchangeably...





drew

Drew, while you, or anyone else for that matter, is free to call a mag a clip, a pear an orange, or a wrench a screwdriver, it doesn't make it correct.

The combat/peacetime vets I associate with don't. I guess our experiences are unique.

To each their own, I suppose. :dunno:

[Ruggles]

:yawn:

Carry on terminology Nazi. Educate the masses to the evil plans of those anti gun forces and their diabolical plans to use the word clip to bring about the utter destruction of our rights.

Tell me when your digging reaches China, I would like some sweet & sour chicken.

:wavey:

[GLOCKN8OR]

:yawn:

Carry on terminology Nazi. Educate the masses to the evil plans of those anti gun forces and their diabolical plans to use the word clip to bring about the utter destruction of our rights.

Tell me when your digging reaches China, I would like some sweet & sour chicken.

:wavey:

If your ability to be intellectually honest only matched your sharp wit (:upeyes:), this thread would be 4 or 5 posts long.

[Ruggles]

"ability to be intellectually honest"

Intellectually honest? We are talking about the use of a word nothing more nothing less. Is your last name Webster by chance?

The words (clip and magazine) are interchangeable plain and simple. If you were at a event and a combat vet was telling a story about his experiences in combat and used the word clip would you correct him on the spot for his ignorance? Would ANYONE in the audience not know what he meant when he said clip? Would anyone but you care?

BTW

"The Act also banned the manufacture of high-capacity ammunition magazines (more than 10 rounds), which are again more plentiful following the statute’s expiration in 2004."

from http://www.bradycampaign.org/issues/assaultweapons/nramyths/

and I thought they preferred the word clip......

:wavey:

[GLOCKN8OR]

Intellectually honest? We are talking about the use of a word nothing more nothing less.

Wrong. Its about a great many things, but I don't have the time, patience or inclination to re-inform you what the issues are. They're on display in the above posts. Besides, you'd just shift the goal posts on me like you did above.

The words (clip and magazine) are interchangeable plain and simple.

No, they're not. Maybe in your world, but in the real world, they mean two different things.

If you were at a event and a combat vet was telling a story about his experiences in combat and used the word clip would you correct him on the spot for his ignorance? Would ANYONE in the audience not know what he meant when he said clip? Would anyone but you care?

Its happened, and no I didn't. And I didn't care.


BTW

"The Act also banned the manufacture of high-capacity ammunition magazines (more than 10 rounds), which are again more plentiful following the statute’s expiration in 2004."

from http://www.bradycampaign.org/issues/assaultweapons/nramyths/

and I thought they preferred the word clip......

:wavey:

Pssst...your small-minded absolutism is showing.:whistling:

You obviously don't know when you're whipped. What else ya got?

[Ruggles]

1. You "implied' that the use of the word clip was anti gun. I showed you where the largest and most active anti gun group in America uses the word magazine. Your response is that I am small minded.

:headscratch:


2. You admit the two words are used frequently by people and everyone knows what they mean when those words are used. Which is what I have been saying all along.

:supergrin:


3. You try and imply that the debate on the use of these words is somehow a deep and important matter for our 2nd A rights. Then you refuse to explain why as you do not have the time or the patience to do so.

:dunno:


4. You call the use of the word clip ignorant and implied that even combat vets using it are ignorant for doing so. You have backed off of that rather quickly as you realized the error of what you wrote.

:woohoo:


And I have been whipped?


Good news for you: You lost the shovel.

Bad news for you:

:drowning:

[Ruggles]

Anything else on this is just

:deadhorse:

Put the thesaurus up friend and sleep well.

:wavey:

[GLOCKN8OR]

Which one is it genius?

1. You "implied' that the use of the word clip was anti gun. I showed you where the largest and most active anti gun group in America uses the word magazine. Your response is that I am small minded.:
-OR-

POST 18 by you: Your mistaken belief that anyone using the term clip is somehow anti gun (again not implied but clearly stated by you) is also silly.

One single publication of the Brady Campaign where they use magazine instead of clip doesn't prove anything. Nice try. I could argue that they're attempting to sound more legit by using the correct language. Thanks for helping me make my painfully obvious-to-most-but-you case.

2. You admit the two words are used frequently by people and everyone knows what they mean when those words are used. Which is what I have been saying all along.

One right so far. I agree with you on that one.

3. You try and imply that the debate on the use of these words is somehow a deep and important matter for our 2nd A rights. Then you refuse to explain why as you do not have the time or the patience to do so.

Direct cut and paste from posts 10 and 17 (yes, this is the third time and you've not understood my opinion/personal anecdote yet).

The antis use certain terminology that should be a tell to law-abiding gun owners about their feelings regarding the second amendment (i.e. assault weapons, high capacity clips, firearms of unusual lethality etc.). It is MY OPINION that gun-owners who value their rights, in order to differentiate themselves from those who seek to strip them of their liberties, use the correct terminology.

4. You call the use of the word clip ignorant and implied that even combat vets using it are ignorant for doing so. You have backed off of that rather quickly as you realized the error of what you wrote.

:woohoo:


Nope, I still stand by that if anyone...including a vet, barber, doctor, engineer--says clip, they're ignorant about the true nomenclature of their gun's MAGAZINE; unless they're using an M1 Garand. If you'd truly read my posts, there wouldn't be ANY doubt that I have not backed off on my opinion. I've just informed you of the obvious: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, THEN IGNORE IT. I guess trying to get you to undersand that one is simply not going to happen.

And I have been whipped?


No, you win. You're totally right. A clip is a mag, a mag is a clip. Anyone who disagrees is a Neanderthal. :upeyes:

Good news for you: You lost the shovel.

Bad news for you:

:drowning:

There never was a shovel, hole, ice, water etc. Just someone swooping in to clean up a bait and switch trolling tactic from two days ago with sub-par argumentation/grammatical skills and lives in a fantasy where he and he alone decides the meaning of words.

BTW, not once have I used a thesaurus in this entire exchange. Nice try at attempting to impugn my intelligence for the sake of your fragile ego.

[Ruggles]

"No, you win. You're totally right. A clip is a mag, a mag is a clip"

Thank you for finally seeing and then admitting the error of your ways.

:wavey:

[Dragster]

WOW! After readin all them big words I knows that GLOCKN8OR has a B** A** degree in sumpin. :rofl:

I'll bet that GLOCKN8OR's name is Jeff (see bottom line of primer). How more fittin is this primer for this here discussion at hand. Either his name is Jeff or he read this here artikle. :dunno:






<CENTER>http://www.thegunzone.com/images/tgz-logo.gif</CENTER><HR class=b>Firearms Primer #1…

Clips are not Magazines!

Don't expose yourself to ridicule as a gun goof by misusing terms

Clip: A device for holding cartridges together, usually to facilitate loading. Widely used as a synonym for "magazine" (although most firearm authorities consider this substandard usage). Technically, a magazine has a feeding spring, a clip does not.
http://www.thegunzone.com/images/eagle35.jpg So sayeth erudite gunzine writer and editor Jan Libourel in the Handgunner's Glossary (http://www.mcsm.org/gloss.html), and he is, characteristically, being kind in his description of "sub­standard usage."

One of the most misused terms in the firearms culture is "Clip." A "mag­a­zine" isn't a "clip," and a "clip" certainly isn't a "magazine."

It is amusing that writers who con­sider themselves knowledgeable or authoritative don't know the difference between the two, or are just plain sloppy in their copy. If called on their gaffe, they often fall back on "Well, everyone knows what was meant," or a plea to not be so pedantic.

What is especially distressing is when a company like venerable Marlin Firearms (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/selfLoading22wClipMag/index.htm) uses clips instead of magazines… there's no excuse for that, of course, but it doesn't stop them from selling a lot of guns.

Self-loading Firearms Clips

A clip is different from a magazine and the terms are by no means interchangeable. Using "clip" when one means "magazine" is akin to saying "tires" when one actually means "wheels." If it does get the speaker immediately corrected, often unkindly, in newsgroups and on Forums, then such a malaprop marks the user as a hopeless newbie.

As Libourel has noted, in small arms terms magazine technically refers to a box, drum or tube with a spring inside to help feed the rounds. Magazines can be a fixed part of the weapon, or detachable. Most detachable magazines can be removed and replaced with a full one to reload the weapon, but there are guns such as the Lee Enfield where the magazine is only removed for cleaning, and is refilled by a different mechanism.

A magazine may therefore be defined as a container of ammo. A room full of shells on a battleship is a magazine, and so was the Parthenon when it was used as a powder store. If one has ever visited Colonial Williamsburg, Virginia, one of the restorations there is a building, a "magazine1 (http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html#nb1)," dating more than 200 years ago.

On the other hand, the ammo "clip" was introduced by Mannlicher in 1885 and provided a way to charge the magazine in the action. What so many fail to appreciate is that this type of "clip" also forms an integral part of the firearm's mechanism. If the rounds are not held in the "clip," the gun cannot proceed through the normal cycle of…
http://www.thegunzone.com/images/enbloc-clip.jpg

<LI class=c>Chamber <LI class=c>Fire <LI class=c>Extract
EjectThis means that if a firearm is said to be "clip-loaded," it won't function with loose ammunition.

More reasons why the two terms should not be confused or interchanged is because the "clip" actually fits inside a magazine2 (http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html#nb2). One of the most famous and widely used clip-fed weapons is John Garand's celebrated M1 rifle (http://www.thegunzone.com/johngarand.html) with which the United States went to war, 1941-45. It might be the popularity of this firearm which has caused so many Americans to confuse reloads with "clips." One may argue that a single round may be hand-loaded into the chamber of a Garand and fired, but the above definition still holds as the shooter is performing the loading part of the firing cycle instead of the en bloc clip.

Chargers

A device that looks very much like a clip is the "charger," sometimes referred to as a "stripper-clip." It is a form of speedloader introduced by Paul Mauser in 1889. Both devices resemble a little rail that holds the rounds by the rim, but the difference is that the charger does not actually enter the magazine en toto, but fits into a guide above it so that the rounds can be pushed from the rail down into the magazine. Well-known examples of charger-loaded firearms include the…

<LI class=c>Lee Enfield <LI class=c>Springfield 19033 (http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html#nb3) <LI class=c>SKS
Mauser C96 pistols4 (http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html#nb4)If anyone is unsure whether a gun uses a charger or a clip, what is known in law enforcement circles as a "clue" is whether the device fits fully within a magazine or remains outside of it. Also, a charger-loaded firearm may be "charged" with loose ammunition. Another aspect of the charger is it may only hold a portion, a half or a third, of the gun's maximum magazine capacity, allowing the shooter to "top off" before he has shot the firearm empty.

The "stripper clip" is an alternate term for Charger, "stripper" being added to distinguish it from true "clips." Some writers prefer to use "stripper" for a type of charger that is used to load magazines when they are not attached to the weapon. Either use is acceptable.

And just to thoroughly confuse matters, there are some genuine, blued-in-the-carbon-steel magazines for which "stripper-clips" are fashioned, per the image at left of an AR15/M16 magazine and a stripper-clip full of 5.56mm (.223 Remington) ammunition! And yes, the magazine is charged via the stripper-clip.

Got it? Good! Now we go to….

Revolver Clips

And then there's the stamped steel devices known as "moon clips," which come in several varieties:

<LI class=c>Full Moon (pictured at right) <LI class=c>Half Moon
Third Moon (pictured below)These differ somewhat from clips used in rifles in that their main function is to facilitate the ejection of the rounds rather than the feeding. Some revolvers chambered for rimless pistol cartridges have stepped cylinders in which unclipped ammo can be utilized, but these won't eject by the revolver's extraction mechanism. Examples of revolvers which uses "clips" are the Model 1917 and the S&W Model 625, both in .45 ACP, the S&W Model 610 in 10mm/.40 S&W, and the S&W Model 940 Centennial in 9 X 19mm.

Okay, now you know what a magazine is, what a clip is, and even what a "stripper-clip" is… how they work. Go now and sin no more.

But if it's still too much for you to grasp, just do what the 1994 Crime Bill did and call'em all "ammunition-feeding devices."

And Furthermore…

A clip is not a magazine, a mag is not a clip;
Neither is a grip a stock, and "stock" does not mean grip.
I do not mean to nitpick, but improvement could be seen,
If we could bring ourselves to say exactly what we mean.
- Author identified by Mark Moritz (http://www.thegunzone.com/let-2007.html) as Jeff Cooper

[Ruggles]

"WOW! After readin all them big words I knows that GLOCKN8OR has a B** A** degree in sumpin.

I'll bet that GLOCKN8OR's name is Jeff (see bottom line of primer). How more fittin is this primer for this here discussion at hand. Either his name is Jeff or he read this here artikle. "

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

He seems to think we are in a college debate class and he will get "points" for the words he uses. To me he comes off a bit snobby, almost as if he believes someone will cede him a point if he uses enough vocabulary in his post.

Anyways ole Jeff was never know for his open mind was he? Good comparison.

I sure he is a nice guy in real life but his internet ego is bigger than that northern part of Tejas we didn't want, that would be Oklahoma to the uninformed!

:cowboy:

[GLOCKN8OR]

He seems to think we are in a college debate class and he will get "points" for the words he uses. To me he comes off a bit snobby, almost as if he believes someone will cede him a point if he uses enough vocabulary in his post.

The really tough vocab I've used in trying to get you to "cede" me a point:
Argumentation
Grammatical
Differentiate
Nomenclature
Absolutism
Ad Homonym, Ad Hom
Specious
Projection

Yep, those are tough.:dunno:

:upeyes::upeyes::upeyes:

"comes of snobby"

Nice, differ to the ad hom character generalization.

Anyways ole Jeff was never know for his open mind was he? Good comparison.

I'm not comparing myself to Jeff, nor do I believe Dragster was, but Jeff was looked up to as one of the foremost authorities on tactics and firearms and HIS conclusion is the same as mine (and I am sure his predates mine by many many years)...talk about a closed mind :upeyes:.

I sure he is a nice guy in real life but his internet ego is bigger than that northern part of Tejas we didn't want, that would be Oklahoma to the uninformed!

Damn right I'm a nice guy. I do, just like all humans, suffer from ego, but I would have to conclude that you, sir, based on the sheer amount of hubris you've spewed, suffer from ego way more than I do. I know when I'm beat/wrong and can admit it, you either don't or won't.

So, you call me “snobby” and then pull the "We didn't want North Texas" BS? I think I mentioned Freudian projection, deflection, ad homonym attacks, and intellectual dishonesty a few times in this thread?

Dude, stop proving me right!

[FLIPPER 348]

dude, you are such a drama queen

[GLOCKN8OR]

dude, you are such a drama queen


Dude, you're such a troll.

[FLIPPER 348]

whatever that means, would you care to elaborate??


go ahead and add your mag/clip drama to this thread!
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10666296#post10666296

[Ruggles]

"I'm not comparing myself to Jeff, nor do I believe Dragster was"

"I'll bet that GLOCKN8OR's name is Jeff"

:quiet:

You are only making it worse.

[FLIPPER 348]

I'm going shooting this afternoon with some of the guys and I will use the term clip the whole time in honor of GLOCKN8OR the drama queen

[Ruggles]

Next week I am going shooting with a few friends and one of them is a brand new shooter. I am going to teach him that my 1911s are fed from clips and that my PS90 use "bullet funnels" to load their bullets.

We are also going to shoot wet thesauruses instead of wet phonebooks to test bullet expansion.

All in GLOCKN8OR honor!

:2gun:

[GLOCKN8OR]

You guys are hillarious.

[Ruggles]

Thanks!
:supergrin:

[GLOCKN8OR]

"I'm not comparing myself to Jeff, nor do I believe Dragster was"

"I'll bet that GLOCKN8OR's name is Jeff"

:quiet:

You are only making it worse.

Either his name is Jeff or he read this here artikle.

I repeat:

your proclivity towards absolutes and/or intellectual dishonesty is startling.

[Ruggles]

Did Dig Dig!

:rofl:

[GLOCKN8OR]

Is that all ya got left? :upeyes:

[Ruggles]

What I do not have left in any interest in this debate. This exchange has turned from you calling people ignorant based on the fact they used a word that is widely accepted into you trying to impress upon the rest of us peasants your vast intellectual superiority.

It did not work.

Nor did you assertion that using the word clip was playing into the hands of the antis. Made no sense then and none now. You have done nothing to prove that point at all.

It does seem that you are standing alone in this thread, maybe that should be a indication to you of how you are presenting yourself.

Your points would be better accepted if you did not call those opposing it ignorant.

Anger is not healthy!
:wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey::wavey:

[FLIPPER 348]

just let him get in the last word and be done with it

[Ruggles]

I agree.

GLOCKN8OR the stage is yours as is the theater, everyone else has left.

:motorcycle:

[FLIPPER 348]

I'm gonna go load up all my 1911 clips!

[GLOCKN8OR]

Rug,

You're so off base, on all issues pertaining to this thread, it is truly amazing. Sadly enough though, I can't say I didn't expect it.

Good luck with your "clips" guys!!!

I'm done.

[aglocker1911]

Since anything posted in this thread will be psychoanalyzed by an apparently college educated, special forces vet turned grammar monitor, I would like to add that I used to have really good grammar, then granper divorced her!

Oh yeah, clipclipclipclipclipclipclipclip:tongueout:

[Ruggles]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[chuckman]

I'm still stuck on vet...are we talking vets that work on animals, or veterans?

[TPK]

Can't seem to find it now (maybe one of you fine folks has it ..?) it was a picture of a rifle magazine (Remington I think) and it was stamped "clip", right from the manufacturer. While magazine is indeed the correct term, it is widely accepted to use clip. Just as it is to use the word "Kleenex" to describe any "like" tissue paper, Q-Tips to describe any "like" cotton covered swabs and the list goes on. If the idea of what is being said is understood, as in conveyed properly, it really doesn't matter if the wrong "word" was used does it?