shoot on the move?

[rmc85]

Out of all the things I read, one thing that seems to always pop up is someone saying that if faced with a threat you must draw, make distance, and fire.

Sounds like a great idea to me and I've seen lots of pro's do it and videos on youtube of guys shooting on the move...but could most of us apply that really well in a everyday scenario?

Think about the places you go….

Gas station
Wal-mart
Grocery store
Parking lots

Most of these places have lots of stuff to trip on. What do you guys think in chances are of falling on your ass? I practice and I’ll try to make distance (god forbid I ever need to) but in some cases it just seems like trying to move and shoot could hurt more than help.

What do you guys think?

EDIT TO ADD:

my question is what do you think the chances of accidentally falling while trying to move....it seems to me that in a lot of places there is a ton of stuff to trip on.

I like the taking a knee answer rather than trying to go left or right (in certain situations).

I'm NOT saying you shouldnt move...just wondering if you guys think you should always move no matter what even if you might fall.

[Yrdawg]

This will bring em out..........LOL

As for me I do practice a side step and shoot and a 90 deg right or left turn and shoot while taking steps....but in a lot of situations that might not be possible. Know your target whats beyond it and whats the backstop is are some pretty important rules. Shooting on the move in a crowd while still having knowledge of those things is dam near impossible.

SO
Get out the popcorn and stand by for the real answers....


:popcorn:

[rmc85]

I'm not saying you shouldn’t move...I practice making distance and shooting.

I guess my real question is in what situations would a person decide to not move?

[isis07734]

So you are saying if they are real close to you right? Guess it would depend on who how what when? I'd prob fall on my butt, maybe even my head.

[bogey3737]

Totally depends on the situation....never know what you're gonna face til it's time. I've done some shoot on the move training...but can't practice it regularly at my current range.

[wrangler5]

If you can find an IDPA match nearby you might consider shooting in a few of their matches. It is not uncommon to have a stage or two where you have to move, either sideways or backwards, in the course of firing multiple shots at multiple targets. While you will probably never face the exact situation these stages set up, it will give you some experience in shooting while moving WHILE UNDER PRESSURE - even if its' only the pressure of the clock and a scorekeeper. It will also let you see what good shooters CAN accomplish with enough training and experience (native ability helps, but it's mostly practice that makes 'em consistently good.)

I guarantee it will give you a whole new appreciation for those who can engage multiple targets accurately with two guns at the same time while flying sideways through a window into a dark room :wow: (and no, IDPA matches won't ever give you one of THOSE kinds of stages.) More seriously, it WILL give you an appreciation of how difficult it will be to keep shots on target even while moving slowly.

[Tailhunter]

Get off the X ....

[rvrctyrngr]

The only time I can think of off hand when I would not choose to move is either in my vehicle (ain't happening), or if I'm all ready behind usable cover when 'stuff' happens.

Getting off the X disrupts your opponent, putting him in a reactive vs. active stance.

[rmc85]

The only time I can think of off hand when I would not choose to move is either in my vehicle (ain't happening), or if I'm all ready behind usable cover when 'stuff' happens.

Getting off the X disrupts your opponent, putting him in a reactive vs. active stance.

can I steal your avatar? its awesome...

and yes I agree that it disrupts but does it always out weigh the chance of taking a dive?

[RyanNREMTP]

I think I read somewhere that by just moving a few inches makes a big difference. From the training that I have done, moving sideways is the hardest even slowly. Walking forward or backward wasn't that hard but doesn't do anything to make you a harder target.

If you want simple training get an airsoft pistol and practice with that.

[rvrctyrngr]

can I steal your avatar? its awesome...

and yes I agree that it disrupts but does it always out weigh the chance of taking a dive?

I like it, too. RussP made it (I'm severely graphically challenged).

Not sure what you mean by 'taking a dive' vs. moving. If you mean literally hitting the deck, why would you ever want to take your eyes off the action.

The simple act of taking one large step back at a 45 from the threat during the draw doubles your distance and also causes disruption to your opponent, putting you at an advantage. I try to make it a habit during practice, and when I shoot IDPA (if it's safe to do so during a specific stage).

There are no absolutes. You have to play the hand that you are dealt.

[rmc85]

I like it, too. RussP made it (I'm severely graphically challenged).

Not sure what you mean by 'taking a dive' vs. moving. If you mean literally hitting the deck, why would you ever want to take your eyes off the action.

The simple act of taking one large step back at a 45 from the threat during the draw doubles your distance and also causes disruption to your opponent, putting you at an advantage. I try to make it a habit during practice, and when I shoot IDPA (if it's safe to do so during a specific stage).

There are no absolutes. You have to play the hand that you are dealt.

so does that mean I can steal it?

and by "taking a dive" I mean falling on your ass.

[rvrctyrngr]

Sure. I'll PM you the original. The more the merrier.

I see. I might go to a knee to improve angle, if the situation called for it, bit I'm no good fighting on my azz. I think leaving your feet takes away too many options. Plus, my old, arthritic azz would have too hard a time getting back up! :supergrin:

[deadday]

A quick side step is easy to manage...When you do, drag your lead foot on the ground so that if there is an obstacle you will feel it before tripping over it...As for cover/concealment, in most of the locations you mentioned, there will be plenty of cars to duck behind, and while not ideal, it's better than standing in the open...




drew

[BamaTrooper]

Sometimes the move is a step or two to get behind cover. All I can say is practice. Duckwalk, Shuffle step so you don't trip, whatever it takes.

[steveksux]

Sure. I'll PM you the original. The more the merrier.

I see. I might go to a knee to improve angle, if the situation called for it, bit I'm no good fighting on my azz. I think leaving your feet takes away too many options. Plus, my old, arthritic azz would have too hard a time getting back up! :supergrin:
I think he was referring to the odds of falling accidentally while trying to move... would that negate the advantage of moving in the first place... something like that...

Not intentionally taking a dive..

Randy

[Agent6-3/8]

Shooting on the move is definitely a skill that should be in the "toolbox" of everyone that is a CCW or LEO.

A very pratical and useful skill to pratice is side stepping (at a diagonal if possible) while drawing and firing. Even if its only one step it forces your attacker to react and adjust his position to keep you in his sights or strike/stab you with some other sort of weapon.

I can think of very few situations where standing still like Matt Dillon in Dodge City is preferable to seeking cover.

[TylerDurden]

Practice shooting from retention at close range then continue shooting as you move backwards or to the side. Practice shooting from laying back down in case you do fall on your ass. Practice weak hand shooting, one hand shooting and reloading, etc.

This is all standard practice at any training center.

[Gunnut 45/454]

rmc85
Do what you think is best-stand still and you make a very easy target! Unfortunately you have to train to move as it is not natural to move!

[rvrctyrngr]

I think he was referring to the odds of falling accidentally while trying to move... would that negate the advantage of moving in the first place... something like that...

Not intentionally taking a dive..

Randy

Thanks, Randy...I didn't pick that out. Some times I are a little dense. :embarassed:

[deadday]

rmc85
Do what you think is best-stand still and you make a very easy target! Unfortunately you have to train to move as it is not natural to move!

You have to train to move, then train to be quick and smooth in your movements...Both two very different skills and both take LOTS of practice to master..if mastery is even attainable..





drew

[rmc85]

rmc85
Do what you think is best-stand still and you make a very easy target! Unfortunately you have to train to move as it is not natural to move!

you must not have even come close to fully reading the OP...I never said that.