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wtf jack
06-14-2008, 16:34
What is your 9MM self-defense ammo? I use Remington Golden Saber 124 grain jacketed hollow points. I've tested several boxes of it on my 9MM pistols and I haven't had a single malfunction. The shot grouping also is very outstanding.

What do you use?

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j72/torrescg/018-1.jpg

king-of-typos-91
06-14-2008, 16:38
I have black talons in my 9mm..

wtf jack
06-14-2008, 16:47
I have black talons in my 9mm..

You have some hard-to-find ammo. I believe the last time they were made was in 2000. Yup, these "will penetrate kevlar armor cop killer" were as famous as the "ceramic non-detectable terrorist favorite" Glock pistol. I do wish I can get my hands on several boxes of Black Talon. The only ones available now are the Winchester Ranger SXT, essentially the same but without the black lubricant used to protect the riflings.

king-of-typos-91
06-14-2008, 18:08
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=101379724

Cperez
06-14-2008, 18:17
Federal HST 124+p

wtf jack
06-14-2008, 18:23
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=101379724

Wow! That is more than 1.50 per shot! I think I'd take the Ranger SXT at 1/3 the price, thank you!

userfriendly
06-14-2008, 18:44
corbon 115 grain +p hollow points. had them since around 1998 or 1999 do you think they are still ok?

wtf jack
06-14-2008, 18:47
corbon 115 grain +p hollow points. had them since around 1998 or 1999 do you think they are still ok?

I'm sure they are still OK unless the powder or the primer somehow got contaminated with excessive moisture or oil.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/410601935/m/8321081921

deadday
06-14-2008, 18:56
Hydra-Shoks....






drew

ans3288
06-14-2008, 19:07
black talon also, one mag lang, its too expensive at 100/bullet. i bought them year 2002 from jethro i think...

wtf jack
06-14-2008, 19:09
Hydra-Shoks....
drew

Oh, no! Not hydra-shoks..

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-1-results.html

wtf jack
06-14-2008, 19:12
black talon also, one mag lang, its too expensive at 100/bullet. i bought them year 2002 from jethro i think...

Almost like it's made of gold. Pero sulit 'yan. The choice of ammo is just as important as the firearm. Who knows, the 100 peso shot might be the shot that saves your life, or better, your loved ones.

deadday
06-14-2008, 19:23
Oh, no! Not hydra-shoks..

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-1-results.html

They worked just fine the one time I needed them...no reason to change what works...





drew

cebuboy
06-14-2008, 19:26
My carry loads for the 9 are Corbon 115 grainers which I will replace with 124 grain Winchester Ranger Ts, the Corbons are too dang expensive at around 90-100 a pop compared to the Ranger T at around 40. If you look closely at the Ranger T, it has em claws like the infamous black talons :)

wtf jack
06-14-2008, 19:35
They worked just fine the one time I needed them...no reason to change what works...





drew

And so what happened?:embarassed:

kontra
06-14-2008, 19:35
Corbon 115gr +P JHP

deadday
06-14-2008, 19:54
And so what happened?:embarassed:


Short story, I was robbed taking my daily deposit to the bank (managed a CD store)..Long story for another thread, another day...





drew

agarr
06-14-2008, 20:00
Federal 9BPLE +P+ 115 grain JHP

isuzu
06-14-2008, 22:32
Hydra Shoks.

Tested the 124 gr Hydra Shoks on wild (and very agressive) goats that we were gonna slaughter on my friends' island using my former BHP MKIII. The results were devastating.

We also tested the 230 gr .45 ACP Hydra Shok on another goat. Same results.

zorkd
06-15-2008, 06:09
armscor FMJ, da best for me! mura pa.

Allegra
06-15-2008, 06:44
armscor FMJ, da best for me! mura pa.

Pahingi! reload lang akin e

monsignor28
06-15-2008, 09:33
Remington Golden Saber for me.

I saw a Dart Tip in Twin Pines Cubao worth P100/rnd. Is it worth it?

wtf jack
06-15-2008, 09:44
Remington Golden Saber for me.

I saw a Dart Tip in Twin Pines Cubao worth P100/rnd. Is it worth it?

Never heard of Dart Tips nor High Energy Ammunition Technology (HEAT). Mukhang mas sulit itong Ranger SXT, a Law Enforcement Ammo in the US.

zorkd
06-15-2008, 09:45
sir allegra,

actually, when i still had access to a dillon, i also used reloads even for carry ammo, but now that i no longer have access to a press, i went back to factory fmj. reloads can be just as reliable as factory if reloaders do a good job of inspecting brass and primers before reloading, and take good care in every step of the process too. i use clear nail polish to seal the primers on my hand loads, if it really mattered i don't really know.

9 Micky Mouse
06-15-2008, 09:48
I use a Gold Dot 124gr in the +P+ mode 1296fps compared to the factory load at 1220fps out of a 4in barrel. I would like to see Remington offer a +P+ in the Golden Saber, I think it is a better performer than the Gold Dot, it is 1880 fps out of a 4in barrel in the +P

monsignor28
06-15-2008, 09:49
Never heard of Dart Tips nor High Energy Ammunition Technology (HEAT). Mukhang mas sulit itong Ranger SXT, a Law Enforcement Ammo in the US.

According to a Twinpines rep the HEAT Dart Tip is only for LEO's.

wtf jack
06-15-2008, 09:59
According to a Twinpines rep the HEAT Dart Tip is only for LEO's.

Google got nothing on HEAT Dart Tips, leading me to believe that it is some kind of obscure ammo. The only thing that showed up is that it is being sold at Twin Pines. I would rather stick with known brands, for my own peace of mind.

monsignor28
06-15-2008, 10:05
Google got nothing on HEAT Dart Tips, leading me to believe that it is some kind of obscure ammo. The only thing that showed up is that it is being sold at Twin Pines. I would rather stick with known brands, for my own peace of mind.

Will do. Hope I can still get my hands on a Ranger SXT.

Kaiser Soze
06-15-2008, 13:39
As much as I love Twin Pines and their staff and owners, I'm not a fan of the HEAT dart ammo, I've seen them scratch up a friend's feedramp pretty bad.

My carry ammo of choice is either Cor-Bon JHP's 124 gr +P's, or Cor-Bon DPX 115 gr.

HEAVY
06-15-2008, 20:54
nung may glock pa ako, 147gr golden sabres. non +p.

edtf
06-15-2008, 21:56
What is your 9MM self-defense ammo? I use Remington Golden Saber 124 grain jacketed hollow points. I've tested several boxes of it on my 9MM pistols and I haven't had a single malfunction. The shot grouping also is very outstanding.

What do you use?


I'm using the same ammo as you. I tested it on my 19 and shoots well (as far as my capability goes) Looks like I won't be shifting any time soon

glck17
06-16-2008, 03:24
151979

darwin25
06-16-2008, 03:32
Mine is Winchester Ranger SXT 124 grs+P. Basically the same as the Black Talon without the black coating. And Remington GS 124grs +P whenever available

jimbullet
06-16-2008, 04:06
I never liked golden sabers as the 230gr types for my 45 had the tendency not to group tightly for some reason, whereas my FA performed very well with other HP ammo. So, for my 9's, I have on stock XTP Hornady and a few hydrashoks.

jeric777
06-16-2008, 07:10
151983
151984

anticentipede
06-16-2008, 07:48
how many rounds did you fire, to test the reliability of your chosen round?

glck17
06-16-2008, 08:14
Jeric777, paki check yun follower mo baka kasi mag jam ka sa bala mo.:tongueout:

Tejeron
06-16-2008, 09:29
any tip who usually sell cheaper?

any tip how do we know date of manufacture or newly arrive or old stock??

jeric777
06-16-2008, 09:47
glck17, walang problema sa follower, ayaw mag chamber problema ko, buntis ata bala, hindi marunong yung nag reload.... heheheh. :D

atmarcella
06-16-2008, 09:49
jeric,
cgurado ako KB abutin mo nyan hehehehe.

Ashton
06-16-2008, 09:53
Usually Renmington 115g JHP R9MM1 for defense - affordable so, I shoot a fair bit of it as well.

jeric777
06-16-2008, 10:02
atmarcella, swerte na ako kung KB lang, baka pati shooter sa katabing bay tamaan... hehehe

wtf jack
06-16-2008, 15:50
how many rounds did you fire, to test the reliability of your chosen round?

The reliability will depend on the ammo, the magazine, the gun and the shooter (no bad habits like limp-wristing). Using the same type of ammo and the same gun, I would fully load each magazine and shoot until empty at least twice for each magazine.

Bren
06-16-2008, 16:11
They worked just fine the one time I needed them...no reason to change what works...


drew

Hydra-shoks here too. The linked "test" doesn't convince me of much except not to take that guy's advice.

jerrytrini
06-18-2008, 01:10
May I suggest the Winchester 147 gr SXT? It has been proven a very effective manstopper. Ask the BG's who have been shot with these.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

mariner19
06-18-2008, 02:14
i use winchester sxt's as well. what's the difference between that and the ranger sxt's? the box only says sxt. when i checked the website they only had ranger sxt's. are they one and the same? bought mine at stronghand.

Sweater
06-18-2008, 13:04
Hornady TAP, Remington Golden Saber and Powerball.----Sweater

mariner19
06-19-2008, 21:12
correction. the box says Winchester Supreme SXT 147gr. is this the same as the Ranger SXT?

ki4dmh
06-19-2008, 21:43
115 Grain Speer Gold Dots

jerrytrini
06-19-2008, 22:45
correction. the box says Winchester Supreme SXT 147gr. is this the same as the Ranger SXT?

The box print says "Winchester 147 gr SXT". Each time we expend our duty ammo, the rangemaster issues a fresh box of this. I never paid attention to the other prints. The tips are like the old "Black Talon" but in silver or chrome.

saki1611
06-20-2008, 03:19
way back in 1994 to 1996, my carry then was a sig p226, i have 2mags full of black talon and another mag full of fmj. when i sold it, my buddy borrowed the bullets and never returned it.:crying: i carried an hs2000 for 2years as an issued sidearms, loaded with corbon's.

now i have a newly acquired g17, as of now i have a mag load of hornady JHP 3D, 124gr, do you have any idea how's this kind of ammo performs? can anyone also confirm to me the stamp marking of hornady? the ammo i bought hase 2 stars and a line on it's shell, and ? i bought it from twin pines in MCS at Php45 per round because i can not find any other branded JHP in all gun stores in MCS. where can i buy the winchester SXT 147gr? and how much per round? thanks!

darwin25
06-20-2008, 04:23
can anyone also confirm to me the stamp marking of hornady? the ammo i bought hase 2 stars and a line on it's shell, and ?

Hindi ba starline yang shell na yan bro?

saki1611
06-20-2008, 07:01
Hindi ba starline yang shell na yan bro?

i really have no idea bro, probably it is. that's why i'm asking for info pre. if those were not hornady and just reloads, i might as well return it at twin pines. i dont want to carry ammo that i'm not sure.

cebuboy
06-20-2008, 07:05
where can i buy the winchester SXT 147gr? and how much per round? thanks!


Sir why dont you try Nashe? I got these from them last year at 40 a pop. Will try to see if they have 147grainers for the 9mm.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/cebuboy/gunpix/DSC_2293.jpg

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk153/cebuboy/gunpix/DSC_2290.jpg

The bullet design is similar to the black talon with claws at the jacket tips, if only I can find the slugs which we recovered after shooting water jugs.

Hornady expands nicely too, done some tests using wet phonebooks...

saki1611
06-20-2008, 07:09
thanks cebuboy, i went there and asked but told me they don't have other stock for 9mm imported ammo.

i'm not really sure if the ammos i bought are hornady because of the shell stamp marking at the bottom. darwin probably is right it's a shell of starline, then it's not hornady.

Eye Cutter
06-20-2008, 07:13
saki, starline brass yun... hornady heads from stronghand.

saki1611
06-20-2008, 07:17
saki, starline brass yun... hornady heads from stronghand.

so it's not orig, balik ko yun sayang pera ko. orig is orig, it's ammo we're talking about, right doc?

Eye Cutter
06-20-2008, 07:23
i'm not saying they're bad, but if you have even a little bit of doubt with your carry ammo, huwag na lang di ba? hanap ka nalang sa ibang stores!

cebuboy
06-20-2008, 07:25
now i have a newly acquired g17, as of now i have a mag load of hornady JHP 3D, 124gr, do you have any idea how's this kind of ammo performs? can anyone also confirm to me the stamp marking of hornady? the ammo i bought hase 2 stars and a line on it's shell, and ? i bought it from twin pines in MCS at Php45 per round because i can not find any other branded JHP in all gun stores in MCS.


I checked my Hornadys, the brass is stamped "Hornady".

jojo_G19
06-20-2008, 07:36
so it's not orig, balik ko yun sayang pera ko. orig is orig, it's ammo we're talking about, right doc?




fake ammos???

now, im starting to doubt my carry ammo,

i bought a couple of black talons (daw) from jetro a couple of gunshows before. i have been seeing threads na discontinued na daw ang blackthalon. then what are these that i am using??

hmm.. makes me think, palitan ko nlang kaya ng ranger SXT or corbons +P. i have been seeing good review about them.



jojo

atmarcella
06-20-2008, 09:09
wala na DPX 9mm+P sa nashe? ang dami nila stock dati nun.

batangueno
06-20-2008, 09:40
I also have corbons in my g17 pero more than 10 years na ata yun. Maybe it's time to get some fresh ammo. :)

BradM
06-20-2008, 09:50
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/AMM-408.jpg

deadday
06-20-2008, 13:26
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/AMM-408.jpg

But but but, oh noes....The tests on the interwebz say that ammo is no good! You should immediately go out and buy one of the types recommended by these complete strangers!:tongueout:





drew

wtf jack
06-20-2008, 13:33
fake ammos???

now, im starting to doubt my carry ammo,

i bought a couple of black talons (daw) from jetro a couple of gunshows before. i have been seeing threads na discontinued na daw ang blackthalon. then what are these that i am using??

hmm.. makes me think, palitan ko nlang kaya ng ranger SXT or corbons +P. i have been seeing good review about them.



jojo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Talon

Winchester voluntarily pulled the ammunition from the market completely in 2000. The "Ranger SXT" ammunition sold today by Winchester is essentially the same ammunition without the black Lubalox coating on the bullet. Among shooters, the running joke is that SXT stands for "Same eXact Thing."

BradM
06-20-2008, 13:35
But but but, oh noes....The tests on the interwebz say that ammo is no good! You should immediately go out and buy one of the types recommended by these complete strangers!:tongueout:





drew

You're right! I better go out and buy the WWB right away!:supergrin:

wtf jack
06-20-2008, 14:32
But but but, oh noes....The tests on the interwebz say that ammo is no good! You should immediately go out and buy one of the types recommended by these complete strangers!:tongueout:

drew

Gentlemen,
I am impressed! :upeyes: You are saying that if the testing were done by "complete strangers", you are simply NOT going to believe it. I sure hope that you and your friends have enough resources to do all of your own testing.

deadday
06-20-2008, 14:43
Gentlemen,
I am impressed! :upeyes: You are saying that if the testing were done by "complete strangers", you are simply NOT going to believe it. I sure hope that you and your friends have enough resources to do all of your own testing.

No, what I said was my real world experience with the ammunition trumps any test by anyone.






drew

BradM
06-20-2008, 14:44
Gentlemen,
I am impressed! :upeyes: You are saying that if the testing were done by "complete strangers", you are simply NOT going to believe it. I sure hope that you and your friends have enough resources to do all of your own testing.


At least use more than one persons findings.

http://frag.110mb.com/

wtf jack
06-20-2008, 17:46
No, what I said was my real world experience with the ammunition trumps any test by anyone.






drew

Don't be shy. Tell us about your real world experience. I, for one, is willing to learn from other people's experiences - even from total strangers.:wavey:

FLGUY
06-20-2008, 17:49
Winchester Ranger 124 gr. bonded +P. Very accurate!

saki1611
06-20-2008, 18:01
I checked my Hornadys, the brass is stamped "Hornady".

thanks bro, i would return my ammos then, it's jafake!:crying:

yes doc i don't want to carry ammos that i have doubts!

W.E.G.
06-20-2008, 18:10
Whoa... this thread is almost on its fourth page, and nobody has posted THIS yet???

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/extremeshock.jpg

wtf jack
06-20-2008, 18:18
Some review about extreme shock ammo by theboxotruth, another total stranger.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot23.htm

Allegra
06-20-2008, 18:35
what do the reviews say about 9mm fmj?

wtf jack
06-20-2008, 18:56
what do the reviews say about 9mm fmj?

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/ammo.html

Martin Jangowski: An FMJ (opposed to a softpoint or hollowpoint bullet) doesn't expand inside a soft ('soft'= human) target. Even when hitting bones it is will bend and deform, but not expand. On the other side, softpoint and hollowpoints will expand and/or fragment.

The landwar convention from The Hague doesn't allow fragmenting bullets for purposes of war, so every army in the world uses FMJ bullets. Usually a hit from a conventional FMJ doesn't kill, but leaves a clean hole. No hunter will use FMJ, since they want to kill, not to wound.

wtf jack
06-20-2008, 19:00
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/410601935/m/3861036511?r=9651043611#9651043611

napinap
06-20-2008, 19:28
i too check my Hornady xtp 9mm ammo and the brass says "frontier"...:dunno:

TTPower
06-20-2008, 21:25
Whoa... this thread is almost on its fourth page, and nobody has posted THIS yet???

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/humor/extremeshock.jpg


i've read somewhere that when you use this ammo, you'll get the extreme shock of your life because ur gun either didn't fire or ur gun exploded in your hand! :rofl:

Allegra
06-20-2008, 23:28
i too check my Hornady xtp 9mm ammo and the brass says "frontier"...:dunno:

I've read somewhere some manufacturers use others brass pag kinulang
Doesnt mean their fake
Sigurado nasa net sagot jan :)

napinap
06-21-2008, 01:43
Originally posted by Allegra
I've read somewhere some manufacturers use others brass pag kinulang
Doesnt mean their fake
Sigurado nasa net sagot jan


tnx for heads up.
as it is, frontier brass (manufactured by starline) is now hornady...:embarassed:

deadday
06-21-2008, 01:51
Don't be shy. Tell us about your real world experience. I, for one, is willing to learn from other people's experiences - even from total strangers.:wavey:

I've said all that I'm comfortable saying (in an open forum) about the incident. There is no need to go into further details, nor would doing so clarify my point any further.






drew

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 05:45
I've said all that I'm comfortable saying (in an open forum) about the incident. There is no need to go into further details, nor would doing so clarify my point any further.






drew

I respect your position on this matter.

saki1611
06-21-2008, 10:07
tnx for heads up.
as it is, frontier brass (manufactured by starline) is now hornady...:embarassed:

this could be true...
i went to Twin Pines this afternoon trying to return the ammos because of having thought i bought locally (fake) hornady. good thing the manager was there and explain to me that, it was indeed a hornady heads in a once fired shell, and according to her it's imported and manufactured/made in the US. the box has a printed name 3D, Hornady. told them this must be true because i don't want to rely my life on an unknown ammos, and she insisted it's really original hornady. my reply was, "ok then, it just have to go with prayers".

deadday
06-21-2008, 10:58
I respect your position on this matter.


Then why did you bring it up a second time and try to goad me into explaining futher after I had already made my thoughts on the subject clear?








drew

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 12:27
Then why did you bring it up a second time and try to goad me into explaining futher after I had already made my thoughts on the subject clear?

drew

There are a lot of posers on the internet, and posers come in various shades. Some would blatantly claim to be somebody that he or she is not, like being a Navy Seal, or Blackwater or what have you. Some would claim to be a relative or close friend of somebody in the know. The sneakiest ones of course are the ones that would not claim to be, but simply drop hints that they are. I can take on signature lines from the special forces, not really claiming to be a member of but just hint that I am. I can also hint that I was involved in some ghastly shooting, therefore I know and you don't. These are things that a poser would do.

Now, I have no idea who you are and whether you are a poser or not. The only way I can discern whether you are what you hint you are is by taking note of you are saying and comparing it to what is known to be true.

It is possible that you were involved in some incident, and yes, statements made in open forums can be traced and used against you. Or you can be just a twelve year old poser and have no clue of what to say next.

I was hoping to end that thread in a respectful note but since you asked....

isuzu
06-21-2008, 15:25
this could be true...
i went to Twin Pines this afternoon trying to return the ammos because of having thought i bought locally (fake) hornady. good thing the manager was there and explain to me that, it was indeed a hornady heads in a once fired shell, and according to her it's imported and manufactured/made in the US. the box has a printed name 3D, Hornady. told them this must be true because i don't want to rely my life on an unknown ammos, and she insisted it's really original hornady. my reply was, "ok then, it just have to go with prayers".

If I may add, Twin Pines makes their own ammo using Hornady heads.

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 15:42
At the risk of being a master of the obvious, the bullet is just a small part of the ammo. The primer has to ignite when struck, the powder got the be of the right type, quality and amount, the bullet has to be properly seated in the shell, and the shell has to stay in one piece while being pressurized by the burning powder. A whole bunch of things that can go wrong, not a good bet when your life depends on it. I believe it is not right for dealers to pass off ammo as a "Hornady" when in reality on the bullet is, and the shell, primer, powder and quality of assembly is not. Who knows who reloaded that ammo. Do yourself a favor, at the very least test the ammo with your pistol (preferably while there is not a bad guy at your door trying to rob your house). Let's hope that none of them got over or under-charged, which will be disastrous for you and your weapon.

deadday
06-21-2008, 16:41
There are a lot of posers on the internet, and posers come in various shades. Some would blatantly claim to be somebody that he or she is not, like being a Navy Seal, or Blackwater or what have you. Some would claim to be a relative or close friend of somebody in the know. The sneakiest ones of course are the ones that would not claim to be, but simply drop hints that they are. I can take on signature lines from the special forces, not really claiming to be a member of but just hint that I am. I can also hint that I was involved in some ghastly shooting, therefore I know and you don't. These are things that a poser would do.

Now, I have no idea who you are and whether you are a poser or not. The only way I can discern whether you are what you hint you are is by taking note of you are saying and comparing it to what is known to be true.

It is possible that you were involved in some incident, and yes, statements made in open forums can be traced and used against you. Or you can be just a twelve year old poser and have no clue of what to say next.

I was hoping to end that thread in a respectful note but since you asked....


Damn, you pegged me! I am the worlds youngest most highly trained super-ninja-SEAL-Delta-Ranger-Airborne-Special Forces assassain. An I have had more training than every SEAL in the world combined, I've killed more people than Typhoid, I own every gun that has ever been made, I have a PhD in Physics, Psychology, Political Science. I also have an MBA in AssKicking from the school of hard knocks. I have been trained as a trauma surgeon, brain surgeon, and dentist, and I'm also a certified Glock/Colt/HK/FN/Beretta armorer. A photo of me in action can be seen below:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/kphares/dont_worry_sir_Im_from_the_internet.jpg

Oh, and I am also Chuck Norris' stunt double...Steven Segals too...Taught those two posers everything they know.


Look, you don't believe what I type, then don't that's your decision and don't really give a flying **** one way or the other. There are a handful of guys on this board that know me personally, and know who I am. I have not ever claimed to be involved with any type of SOCOM unit, nor BW (there isn't enonugh money in the US Treasurery to get me to work for BW), I have made no claims on this thread to be anything that I am not, nor will I ever (intentionally) mislead someone about my background. I know who I am, what I am, and what I have done. I am proud of my past, proud of what I've done for my country and my community, and have no reason to add any bull**** to it. That being said, who I am, what I've done is of no concern to you. For the purpose of GlockTalk, I am deadday from Texas, that is all.



drew

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 17:19
Damn, you pegged me! I am the worlds youngest most highly trained super-ninja-SEAL-Delta-Ranger-Airborne-Special Forces assassain. An I have had more training than every SEAL in the world combined, I've killed more people than Typhoid, I own every gun that has ever been made, I have a PhD in Physics, Psychology, Political Science. I also have an MBA in AssKicking from the school of hard knocks. I have been trained as a trauma surgeon, brain surgeon, and dentist, and I'm also a certified Glock/Colt/HK/FN/Beretta armorer. A photo of me in action can be seen below:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/kphares/dont_worry_sir_Im_from_the_internet.jpg

Oh, and I am also Chuck Norris' stunt double...Steven Segals too...Taught those two posers everything they know.


Look, you don't believe what I type, then don't that's your decision and don't really give a flying **** one way or the other. There are a handful of guys on this board that know me personally, and know who I am. I have not ever claimed to be involved with any type of SOCOM unit, nor BW (there isn't enonugh money in the US Treasurery to get me to work for BW), I have made no claims on this thread to be anything that I am not, nor will I ever (intentionally) mislead someone about my background. I know who I am, what I am, and what I have done. I am proud of my past, proud of what I've done for my country and my community, and have no reason to add any bull**** to it. That being said, who I am, what I've done is of no concern to you. For the purpose of GlockTalk, I am deadday from Texas, that is all.



drew

I was hoping to end that thread in a respectful note but since you asked....

ki4dmh
06-21-2008, 17:20
Damn, you pegged me! I am the worlds youngest most highly trained super-ninja-SEAL-Delta-Ranger-Airborne-Special Forces assassain. An I have had more training than every SEAL in the world combined, I've killed more people than Typhoid, I own every gun that has ever been made, I have a PhD in Physics, Psychology, Political Science. I also have an MBA in AssKicking from the school of hard knocks. I have been trained as a trauma surgeon, brain surgeon, and dentist, and I'm also a certified Glock/Colt/HK/FN/Beretta armorer. A photo of me in action can be seen below:

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/kphares/dont_worry_sir_Im_from_the_internet.jpg

Oh, and I am also Chuck Norris' stunt double...Steven Segals too...Taught those two posers everything they know.




drew
:rofl::rofl:

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 17:35
...For the purpose of GlockTalk, I am deadday from Texas, that is all.



drew

And BTW, do you still carry two 1911's just in case one breaks its firing pin and luckily you have the other one to save your life?



http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884426
To quote:

"I almost always carry 2 guns, though they are never the same guns. Sometimes I will carry 2 1911s, so I can interchange mags (1 fullsize, 1 compact)....My life was saved at one point by a 2nd firearm. The firing pin on my primary broke, so out comes the backup weapon..."







drew

deadday
06-21-2008, 18:16
And BTW, do you still carry two 1911's just in case one breaks its firing pin and luckily you have the other one to save your life?



http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=884426
To quote:

"I almost always carry 2 guns, though they are never the same guns. Sometimes I will carry 2 1911s, so I can interchange mags (1 fullsize, 1 compact)....My life was saved at one point by a 2nd firearm. The firing pin on my primary broke, so out comes the backup weapon..."







drew



I always carry 2 guns, though not always 2 1911s now, as I've picked up a 442 and a PF9 so I can cut weight and be more comfortable, etc. And the pin did not break on my 1911, it broke on an SAXD sub-compact, I bought one when SA first released them Stateside...Any more old posts you would like to bring up? Not really sure how the above post pertains to this one but, *shrugs* Anything else I can clear up for you? Do I know you? Did I piss you off somewhere, somehow? Or are you just out to pick an e-fight tonight? A favorite picture of mine that pops up on lots of web-forums in situations just like this one..

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/deadday/argue.jpg




drew

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 19:05
Nope, no need to go on. :wavey:

New_comer
06-21-2008, 19:32
Mine's loaded with Fiocchi 147 gr JHP's. 2nd mag with 115gr version

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 19:40
Mine's loaded with Fiocchi 147 gr JHP's. 2nd mag with 115gr version

Just curious, why two weights of bullets?

Ashton
06-21-2008, 19:49
All my 9mms have Renmington 115g JHP R9MM1 - basic stuff but I shoot it a lot and BELIEVE that I can put it where I need it when required. BTW - I am NOT from the interweb!!!

deadday
06-21-2008, 20:10
Just curious, why two weights of bullets?

Also wondering...Do you share the mags between 2 pistols? I ask because I do that with my 1911s, I have the 8rnd mags for my fullsized loaded with 230gr HydraShoks, and the 7rnd mags for my compact loaded with 185gr CorBons so sometimes I may have a mag from each...




drew

wtf jack
06-21-2008, 20:18
Also wondering...Do you share the mags between 2 pistols? I ask because I do that with my 1911s, I have the 8rnd mags for my fullsized loaded with 230gr HydraShoks, and the 7rnd mags for my compact loaded with 185gr CorBons so sometimes I may have a mag from each...




drew

The only pistols I have that can share magazines are the Glocks. I've been carrying the Glock 26 lately, 10 round magazine with a Pearce XL installed to bring the total up to 13 rounds. I also carry a Glock 17 with a plus 2 extension magazine as a spare.

atmarcella
06-22-2008, 03:14
Then why did you bring it up a second time and try to goad me into explaining futher after I had already made my thoughts on the subject clear?


duh. he just asked you once. anyway why are you so pissed off? we are all here to learn. he was just asking you what kind of ammo you used in your "real world experience". maybe we can also learn from your "real world experience"

horge
06-22-2008, 04:13
**moderator hat on**

Let's move on, yes?
I believe there was an invitation to share one's 9mm ammo preference.
If someone is willing to share their preference, then respect their
willingness to share, otherwise the signal-to-noise ratio on this
thread will end its usefulness.

Thanks,
horge

saki1611
06-22-2008, 05:34
If I may add, Twin Pines makes their own ammo using Hornady heads.

yes they do, but told me if it's locally manufactured it's under their own brand name "tactical something", forgot the exact words. i checked on the net, about 3D ammos, it's a US based company, it seems that they stop manufacturing already and i cant find the reason why. they sell cheaper ammos because of using different brand (probably the once fired) of shells and heads, of course the head is not once fired you.:supergrin:

horge
06-22-2008, 06:35
That'd be their "Tactical Edge" line of ammo saki :)

Haven't tried any of it yet, but have shot some of
their gimmicky 9mm "Silver Bullets" JHP.

Now those are loaded very warm, which is nice....
Unfortunately the bullet's jacket really does contain silver,
which is sheer murder on both the feed ramp and the barrel.

h.

edtf
06-22-2008, 06:37
That'd be their "Tactical Edge" line of ammo saki :)

Haven't tried any of it yet, but have shot some of
their gimmicky 9mm "Silver Bullets" JHP.

Now those are loaded very warm, which is nice....
Unfortunately the bullet's jacket really does contain silver,
which is sheer murder on both the feed ramp and the barrel.

h.

But that is best for vampires and werewolves :supergrin:

horge
06-22-2008, 06:52
...and orcs... don't forget orcs. :tongueout:

9MX
06-22-2008, 07:12
Now those are loaded very warm, which is nice....
Unfortunately the bullet's jacket really does contain silver,
which is sheer murder on both the feed ramp and the barrel.

h.


care to elaborate why its sheer murder? i can probably google it but its always a pleasure reading your well written replies, specifically on technical subjects like this.

a word of caution though..i'm fan of the lone ranger and his silver bullets. so go easy:supergrin:

and angel locsin is watching,LOL

wtf jack
06-22-2008, 07:47
and angel locsin is watching,LOL

Here's Angel Locsin holding my hot dog:wow:








http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j72/torrescg/angel-locsin_1.jpg

isuzu
06-22-2008, 10:09
yes they do, but told me if it's locally manufactured it's under their own brand name "tactical something", forgot the exact words. i checked on the net, about 3D ammos, it's a US based company, it seems that they stop manufacturing already and i cant find the reason why. they sell cheaper ammos because of using different brand (probably the once fired) of shells and heads, of course the head is not once fired you.:supergrin:

Yup. 3D ammo is remanufactured ammo. And if I recall, the box has "for training purposes only" or something to that effect printed on it.

http://www.gzanders.com/manu/3d.html

saki1611
06-22-2008, 10:18
Yup. 3D ammo is remanufactured ammo.

any feedback on this ammo bro?

bulm540
06-22-2008, 11:20
I've seen the 3 d ammos in gunshows years ago. Didn't know they are still around. They look OK. Don't have any direct experience 3D however.

deadday
06-22-2008, 12:23
duh. he just asked you once. anyway why are you so pissed off? we are all here to learn. he was just asking you what kind of ammo you used in your "real world experience". maybe we can also learn from your "real world experience"

I've aleaady posted what ammo I use...back on page 1 I think it is, and in the same area, said that I preferred to not discuss the events...Then again on page 5 he brings it up again...If any of you truly want to learn from my experience, then come on down to San Antone, we'll drink a beer or 3 and I'll tell you about it...



drew


eta- but to keep with the thread, I'll repeat..I carry Federal Hydra Shoks...

deadday
06-22-2008, 12:26
**moderator hat on**

Let's move on, yes?
I believe there was an invitation to share one's 9mm ammo preference.
If someone is willing to share their preference, then respect their
willingness to share, otherwise the signal-to-noise ratio on this
thread will end its usefulness.

Thanks,
horge


Moderator Hat?!?! I didn't know Eric issued those! I bet it's a pretty damned cool looking hat!:tongueout:




drew

horge
06-22-2008, 16:48
care to elaborate why its sheer murder? i can probably google it but its always a pleasure reading your well written replies, specifically on technical subjects like this.
a word of caution though..i'm fan of the lone ranger and his silver bullets. so go easy:supergrin:

and angel locsin is watching,LOL

Hi, Boss 'nix
Angel's VERY easy on the eyes, but I find my wife much, much prettier :)

Pure silver is soft, but whether it's heavily alloyed with copper or not,
(and it is, with these jackets), it can become rather hard when
cold-worked (which is how the "hollow" in most hollow points are
postformed), especially if it is not annealed afterwards.

That may mean faster wear on the barrel interior, over time, although
work-hardening is most pronounced where the lip of the "hollow" is found,
where the silver alloy was most severely deformed to create the "hollow".
That's also precisely the part of the jacket that rams/digs into the ramp.

The bullet profile on these "TP Silver Bullets" also features a very sharp edge
around the "hollow", and I found that the feedramp can thus get dinged
fairly quickly, after just a magful of cartridges, if the pistol frame is of
aluminium alloy rather than steel.

The Lone Ranger rocks.
:)


Moderator Hat?!?! I didn't know Eric issued those! I bet it's a pretty damned cool looking hat!:tongueout:
drew
Actually, I was issued a new one just last week, to better match my avatar:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2yzin1f.jpg

Dat how we rollllllll, boyzzzzz..... woop woop....

bulm540
06-22-2008, 17:07
I've aleaady posted what ammo I use...back on page 1 I think it is, and in the same area, said that I preferred to not discuss the events...Then again on page 5 he brings it up again...If any of you truly want to learn from my experience, then come on down to San Antone, we'll drink a beer or 3 and I'll tell you about it...



drew


eta- but to keep with the thread, I'll repeat..I carry Federal Hydra Shoks...

I thought you were going ot invite him to an IPSC match.

isuzu
06-22-2008, 20:33
any feedback on this ammo bro?

I've seen some at Twin Pines. They looked decent, but I would not use it for personal defense. If circumstances would force me to carry remanufactured ammo, I would rather carry ammo that was carefully reloaded by a friend. Which reminds me-two mags on my 1911 were reloads during the early 90's. 200 gr Hensley and Gibbs #68 paired with WW 231 copied from the book of Bill Wilson '80's circa.

deadday
06-22-2008, 20:55
I thought you were going ot invite him to an IPSC match.

Huh?:dunno:






drew

darwin25
06-22-2008, 21:01
this could be true...
i went to Twin Pines this afternoon trying to return the ammos because of having thought i bought locally (fake) hornady. good thing the manager was there and explain to me that, it was indeed a hornady heads in a once fired shell, and according to her it's imported and manufactured/made in the US. the box has a printed name 3D, Hornady. told them this must be true because i don't want to rely my life on an unknown ammos, and she insisted it's really original hornady. my reply was, "ok then, it just have to go with prayers".

premium ammo loaded on a once fired shell? That doesn't sound right.

atmarcella
06-22-2008, 22:26
premium ammo loaded on a once fired shell? That doesn't sound right.


ditto.

I've aleaady posted what ammo I use...back on page 1 I think it is, and in the same area, said that I preferred to not discuss the events...Then again on page 5 he brings it up again...If any of you truly want to learn from my experience, then come on down to San Antone, we'll drink a beer or 3 and I'll tell you about it...


my bad. i forgot about the first page.

mariner19
06-23-2008, 10:48
The box print says "Winchester 147 gr SXT". Each time we expend our duty ammo, the rangemaster issues a fresh box of this. I never paid attention to the other prints. The tips are like the old "Black Talon" but in silver or chrome.

here are a couple of pics of the box of my winchester sxt's. are these genuine? bought them at stronghand a year ago.

deadday
06-23-2008, 10:58
The box looks good...
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j3/deadday/29135_ts.jpg






drew

bulm540
06-23-2008, 17:16
Huh?:dunno:






drew

You don't shoot IPSC or USPSA? try it, you'll like it.

93GT
06-23-2008, 17:42
127 gr +P+ Winchester Ranger. I might be ordering some HST in the near future though.