Pennsylvania

[Robalero]

Gettin ready and making final arrangements for my upcoming trip with the wife. Pennsylvania seems to be pretty gun friendly. Seems there are few places that are restricted, is there anything I should know. Will be spending time in Philadelphia for most of the duration, have already been warned to keep concealed there. The site I visited really does not restrict many places, courthouses and schools. What about public libraries. Like Philadelphia Public Library, or restaurants that serve alcohol.

Thanks for the info.

Rob

[Penguini66]

All you need to know is right here: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/7582-read-first-where-you-can-cannot-carry-weapons-state-pennsylvania.html

There's a good printable "flier" in this thread as well: http://www.pafoa.org/forum/concealed-open-carry-121/7481-your-pennsylvania-gun-rights-handy-flyer-carry-you.html
Have a nice visit in PA.

[LittleRedToyota]

public libraries and restaurants that serve alcohol (even bars that serve nothing but alcohol) are all good to go.

pretty much schools (sort of...there is a defense for carrying the gun for "lawful purposes", but you prolly don't want to test it...) and courthouses are all you have to worry about on a state level. of course, federal laws still apply.

and i think there are a couple places in philly that are considered "national parks"...like the place where the liberty bell is displayed, so those are off limits (though not for much longer woohoo).

state parks are also off limits (though not for much longer woohoo...carrying in a state park is currently a summary offense for breaking a DCNR regulation, but a bill that will change that has passed both the state house and senate and will soon be signed into law).

[Robalero]

Toyota,
Thanks for the info. I would have never thought of places like where the Liberty Bell to be a national park. Once again, thanks for the heads up.

Independence Hall is a national park as well, right?

Rob

[hkg3]

Toyota,

Independence Hall is a national park as well, right?

Rob

Yes it is. Best of luck and try to enjoy Philly.

[Big Sam]

Pa is generally a very good place to carry with few places you can't. When in the city of "brotherly love", watch your 6 and keep it concealed.

Hope you enjoy your visit.:wavey:

[Robalero]

thanks for all the heads up fellas, I can't wait to visit Pennsylvania. It also appears to be as gun-friendly, if not more, than Texas

Rob

[Philly K-9]

Enjoy your visit!!!! Just pay attention and try not to wander too far out of Center City. Not to many "friendly" places surrounding Center City so be careful.

Also, be careful if you have contact with any of my brothers in blue. Some don't really know as much as they should about out-of-state permits.

Philly is a wonderful place to visit. Go to the Zoo, the Constitution Center, the Liberty Bell, and do some shopping (just not at the Gallery). AS far as eating, this is an eating town and I'm an eating man, so....try a steak at Genos @ 11th and Passyunk (very, very pro cop!) and the Chart House is good too. Also, you must walk through the Redding Terminal Market. Just don't come hungry or you spend loads of money!!!! The food there is unreal. For breakfast I highly recommend the little Amish Diner inside of the Market. You sit at a crowded counter on a little stool BUT the blueberry pancakes are the size of an F150 steering wheel and are loaded with berries!!!! the homemade scrapple is awesome and they have the best chipped beef and home fries I have ever tasted!!!!!

If you have kids try to go to the "Please Touch Museum” located on 21st Street near the Ben Franklin Parkway. Your kids can run around and play with all of the stuff on display. My kids love it. Another great time is the “Franklin Institute” @ 21st and the Parkway, right near the “Please Touch”. “The Franklin” is a wonderful learning place for all ages. So too is the “Museum of Natural History”, also on the Parkway. And, our Art Museum is one of the best in the world!!!!

Good luck and enjoy tour visit.

John
:wavey:

[DocwithGlock]

Enjoy your visit!!!! Just pay attention and try not to wander too far out of Center City. Not to many "friendly" places surrounding Center City so be careful.

Also, be careful if you have contact with any of my brothers in blue. Some don't really know as much as they should about out-of-state permits.

Philly is a wonderful place to visit. Go to the Zoo, the Constitution Center, the Liberty Bell, and do some shopping (just not at the Gallery). AS far as eating, this is an eating town and I'm an eating man, so....try a steak at Genos @ 11th and Passyunk (very, very pro cop!) and the Chart House is good too. Also, you must walk through the Redding Terminal Market. Just don't come hungry or you spend loads of money!!!! The food there is unreal. For breakfast I highly recommend the little Amish Diner inside of the Market. You sit at a crowded counter on a little stool BUT the blueberry pancakes are the size of an F150 steering wheel and are loaded with berries!!!! the homemade scrapple is awesome and they have the best chipped beef and home fries I have ever tasted!!!!!

If you have kids try to go to the "Please Touch Museum” located on 21st Street near the Ben Franklin Parkway. Your kids can run around and play with all of the stuff on display. My kids love it. Another great time is the “Franklin Institute” @ 21st and the Parkway, right near the “Please Touch”. “The Franklin” is a wonderful learning place for all ages. So too is the “Museum of Natural History”, also on the Parkway. And, our Art Museum is one of the best in the world!!!!

Good luck and enjoy tour visit.

John
:wavey:

I agree with everything except the Geno's Steak. You should go across the street from "Geno's" and have a steak at "Pat's". Just be sure to order in English.

If you are up to it, you should get one of each and let us know which one you think is better!

The Amish Diner is awesome!

Don't forget the soft pretzels.

[Robalero]

Guys, really, thanks for all the info on Philadelphia. Can't wait and actually we will be there on the July Fourth and are looking forward to that as well. I be an eating man as well and will absolutely take your suggestions on all the eating places.

Rob

[LittleRedToyota]

yeah...philly's got some great cheesesteaks...

though, for some silly reason, the locals tend to ruin them by putting cheeze whiz on 'em...

must be the jersey influence.

:tongueout:

[JASV.17]

yeah...philly's got some great cheesesteaks...

though, for some silly reason, the locals tend to ruin them by putting cheeze whiz on 'em...

must be the jersey influence.

:tongueout:


Whiz is the way, man.

Geno's is place where you want to be sure to order in English. Just walk up to the window and say, "I'll have a whole, with".

With=whiz, peppers and onions.

[Robalero]

Are you guys serious. CHEESE WHIZ????

[grecco]

Hey,
I am from philly,
if you need any info on where to go and what to see,
feel free to contact me.
-G

[grecco]

Are you guys serious. CHEESE WHIZ????

Get the provalone....

[Robalero]

Grecco,
Am looking for an old style eighteenth century tavern, any there in Philadelphia?
Rob

[grecco]

Grecco,
Am looking for an old style eighteenth century tavern, any there in Philadelphia?
Rob

Mc Gillins Old Ale House
1310 Drury St
Philadelphia, PA 19107
215-735-5562
www.mcgillins.com
The oldest bar in Philadelphia is what they say about McGillin's and, given the musty charm of the place, they might be right. Tucked away in its dark wooded and stained glass, patrons here, it seems, should be drinking out of steins and gnawing on mutton. The place mostly draws medical students, Eddie Bauer-wearing twentysomethings, and white- collared folks who share pitchers and fries. There's cheap, well-rendered pub fare and appealing drafts to be found here. Wednesdays feature karaoke in the big downstairs bar. Clearly, intestinal fortitude wins over talent on this night.

[grecco]

Besides being Killadelphia we are blessed with some of the best places to eat.
Everything from italian,chinese,mexican,viet/asian to brasilian.

We also have some rally high end places like buddakah,saloon,ventri and lebec fin.
Besides a steak from Geno's , dont forget cannoli's from Termini Brothers.

but there are also places to avoid.
Dont forget to have your wife video you running up the art museums steps(aka Rocky Balboa)

[Hedo1]

Grecco,
Am looking for an old style eighteenth century tavern, any there in Philadelphia?
Rob

You could also try City Tavern down in Old City. The area known as Old City just oozes colonial history. The staff dress in period costumes. It's a lot of fun.

Philly K-9 gave you some good ideas. The Penns Landing area is great. You can visit the Battleship Olympia and also see and tour a WW2 sub. Look across the river ad you will see the Battleship NJ moored in NJ. Don't go to see it with your gun however, CCW is a big no no in the Peoples Republic of NJ.

The italian market is fun to see also and it's close by. Try Villa DeRoma for lunch.

Now for the best cheesesteak go over to Tony Luke's on Oregon ave...also try a roast pork sandwich! Philly guys are passionate about the cheesesteak so try them all.

Lastly the Phillies have a relatively new stadium and are a lot of fun to watch...at least this year. If they are in town you can hop a train to the stadium area to see them play.

[DocwithGlock]

Mc Gillins Old Ale House
1310 Drury St
Philadelphia, PA 19107
215-735-5562
www.mcgillins.com
The oldest bar in Philadelphia is what they say about McGillin's and, given the musty charm of the place, they might be right. Tucked away in its dark wooded and stained glass, patrons here, it seems, should be drinking out of steins and gnawing on mutton. The place mostly draws medical students, Eddie Bauer-wearing twentysomethings, and white- collared folks who share pitchers and fries. There's cheap, well-rendered pub fare and appealing drafts to be found here. Wednesdays feature karaoke in the big downstairs bar. Clearly, intestinal fortitude wins over talent on this night.

That was my old hangout in medical school. Drury street is easy to miss, it is practically an alley.

Cheese whiz is a cheesesteak must if you want to be really authentic Philly! Order it "with" to get whiz, and onions... it is correctly pronounced "wit".
Get provolone on your second steak if you don't like it.

Also, try Lorenzo's Pizza on South Street. Not much of a sitdown place, but it is good for takeout or to watch the freaks on South Street.

All this talk of Philly and I am getting a little homesick (I grew up and went to school there):crying:

[hkg3]

Another great place for beer and food is Monk's Cafe on 16 and Spruce St. They specialized in Belgian Beers and Belgian Dishes. They have at least eight mussle dishes all cooked in a sauce made from different beers. The also have dishes featuring Rabbit and Venizon, and their burgers are also very good. If you go, ask about the back bar where they have like 12 or more Belgian Ales on tap!

Have fun in Philly,

Mike

[Robalero]

Guys thanks for the heads up, I am really looking forward to spending five days there in Philadelphia. Will be driving and spending four days in Charleston, four days in Richmond, and five days in Philadelphia.

Once again, thanks for all the heads up.

Rob

[Robalero]

I've discussed this here before, but I'd like to get feedback from you fellas from Pennsylvania. I will be traveling through Maryland on my way to Philadelphia. Taking the tunnel under Chesapeake and going through Delaware, but I will still be crossing through Maryland. My Garmin Nuvi (these little GPS gadgets are truly awesome) will be programed so that I can in no way shape or form get even close to New Jersey, but Maryland concerns me. Any advice?

I've aleady purchased two lock boxes from COM and plan to lock my G26 in one and my magazines and ammo in the other.

[LittleRedToyota]

but Maryland concerns me. Any advice?

I've aleady purchased two lock boxes from COM and plan to lock my G26 in one and my magazines and ammo in the other.

just make sure you comply with the interstate transport clause in the federal firearm owners protection act (FOPA) and maryland has no choice but to allow you to travel through the state.

don't stop in MD...even for gas.

don't speed in MD...just to avoid even having to interact with an police officers there.

(i actually know a couple people who have been pulled over in MD while transporting a firearm in compliance with FOPA, though, and they had no issues at all, so don't sweat it. just make sure to comply with the law.)

[CWALT]

Hey!

A cheese steak "wit" is with onions! None of that pepper ****!

[DocwithGlock]

Hey!

A cheese steak "wit" is with onions! None of that pepper ****!

Yo, tanks a bunch. Yoo r absulootely rigght.

[rvrctyrngr]

Ya'll are making me hungry.

PhillyCheeseSteak!:eat:

[PAGunner]

I always thought people with licenses in other states that have reciprocitory agreements could carry anywhere in PA EXCEPT Philly? Am I wrong here? I thought an out of stater would need to get a PA out of state LTCF in order to carry in Philly?

[Hedo1]

I've discussed this here before, but I'd like to get feedback from you fellas from Pennsylvania. I will be traveling through Maryland on my way to Philadelphia. Taking the tunnel under Chesapeake and going through Delaware, but I will still be crossing through Maryland. My Garmin Nuvi (these little GPS gadgets are truly awesome) will be programed so that I can in no way shape or form get even close to New Jersey, but Maryland concerns me. Any advice?

I've aleady purchased two lock boxes from COM and plan to lock my G26 in one and my magazines and ammo in the other.


You should be fine with the advice that Red Toyota already gave you. Avoid DC also.

When you are coming north the moment of truth is at the very north of Delaware near Christiana I believe. You have the option of 95 North, 495 North and 295North via the Delaware Memorial Bridge and into NJ. Select 495 North if going to Philly. It's a bypass around Wilmington and puts you back on 95 a few miles ahead. The middle of your 3 choices I believe.

95 sends you thru Wilmington first and 295 deposits you onto the NJ turnpike.

Stop at the PA welcome center just over the state line and retrieve your weapon :supergrin:

[grecco]

http://www.genosteaks.com/

[LittleRedToyota]

I always thought people with licenses in other states that have reciprocitory agreements could carry anywhere in PA EXCEPT Philly? Am I wrong here? I thought an out of stater would need to get a PA out of state LTCF in order to carry in Philly?

i don't see how that would be the case. there is nothing in the UFA that would seem to indicate that.

the PA UFA states:

§ 6108. Carrying firearms on public streets or public property in Philadelphia.

No person shall carry a firearm, rifle or shotgun at any time upon the public streets or upon any public property in a city of the first class unless:

(1) such person is licensed to carry a firearm; or
(2) such person is exempt from licensing under section 6106(b) of this title (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license).


it doesn't make any special exception saying that the license must be a PA license. therefore, any license recognized by PA is good in philly just like the rest of the state.

[PAGunner]

i don't see how that would be the case. there is nothing in the UFA that would seem to indicate that.

the PA UFA states:



it doesn't make any special exception saying that the license must be a PA license. therefore, any license recognized by PA is good in philly just like the rest of the state.

It isn't an issue for me, so I don't keep track of the law on it, but I remember reading somewhere that a PA out of state LTCF is needed in Philly. I could very well be wrong, have been before, but this seems to be sticking in my mind.

I'd hate to see a fellow GTer get railroaded for something stupid because of dumb Philly rules.

[LittleRedToyota]

but I remember reading somewhere that a PA out of state LTCF is needed in Philly.

you may well have read it somewhere as there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding gun laws...especially in philly.

for some reason, a lot of people (including some philly LEOs) seem to think that philly has its own gun laws, but they don't...and are forbidden by the preemption clause in the PA UFA from making their own gun laws.

the only difference between philly and the rest of the state is the clause in the PA UFA i posted above. basically, you need a license to open carry in philly while you do not in the rest of the state. (ETA: and also that LTCFs are issued by the chief of police, rather than the sheriff in philly, but that isn't really relevant here...and it's still shall issue under the same rules, so it doesn't have much practical effect.)

[HandyMan Hugh]

The only difference in Philly is that you need a license to open carry.
In the rest of PA, you can open carry LEGALLY without an LTCF. People with recognized (Reciprocal) out of state licenses can CC in Philly. People with a CCW license from ANY state can keep a loaded handgun IN their car while travelling in PA. You must NOT conceal if you leave your vehicle.

OC is NEVER recommended in Philly, even with a PA LTCF. Guarantee you'll be talkin' to Officer Unfriendly!

You can carry in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

[PAGunner]

you may well have read it somewhere as there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding gun laws...especially in philly.

for some reason, a lot of people (including some philly LEOs) seem to think that philly has its own gun laws, but they don't...and are forbidden by the preemption clause in the PA UFA from making their own gun laws.

the only difference between philly and the rest of the state is the clause in the PA UFA i posted above. basically, you need a license to open carry in philly while you do not in the rest of the state. (ETA: and also that LTCFs are issued by the chief of police, rather than the sheriff in philly, but that isn't really relevant here...and it's still shall issue under the same rules, so it doesn't have much practical effect.)

Gotcha, I knew all the rest of the information, I know believe I confabulated a memory. I apoligize to the OP if I unnecessarily worried you, have fun on your trip!