Michigan carry restrictions on nonresident

[Buki192327]

Will be traveling to Michigan in about a week. What kind of restrictions does Michigan have on carrying in ex: stores, restaurants, restaurants that serve alcohol, and rest areas on the highway? Thanks for you help!!

[passive101]

I'm curious about this as well. I didn't know MI had non resident permits. How do you get one?

The rules/laws should all be the same I would assume.

[emtp2rn]

Michigan Does Not have a NON-Resident permit.

We honor via reciprocity Non-Resident's of Michigan who have a CPL/CCW permit.

Check out www.mcrgo.org

From the Michigan State Police Website

Pistol Free Areas

Individuals licensed to carry a concealed pistol by Michigan or another state are prohibited from carrying a concealed pistol on the following premises:



Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian

Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.

Sports arena or stadium

A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises

Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official allows concealed weapons

An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more

A hospital

A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university

A Casino


"Premises" does not include the parking areas of the places listed above in 1 through 8.



A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CCW permit holder is carrying a pistol in a "pistol free" area. The following penalties may also be imposed:


First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CCW permit suspended 6 months
Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CCW permit revoked
Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CCW permit revoked

Furthermore, effective March 29, 2001, per Administrative Order 2001-1 of the Michigan Supreme Court:

"Weapons are not permitted in any courtroom, office, or other space used for official court business or by judicial employees unless the chief judge or other person designated by the chief judge has given prior approval consistent with the court's written policy."

[steveksux]

Only caveat is your current permit must be a RESIDENT permit to be recognized.

Probably doesn't apply to you, but just in case...

Randy

[Warp]

Only caveat is your current permit must be a RESIDENT permit to be recognized.

Probably doesn't apply to you, but just in case...

Randy

Yup.

Michigan doesn't trust anybody from WI or IL to have a gun.

[steveksux]

Yup.

Michigan doesn't trust anybody from WI or IL to have a gun.Hey, if WI or IL don't trust em, why should we? :supergrin:

Randy

[Warp]

Hey, if WI or IL don't trust em, why should we? :supergrin:

Randy

More specifically, Chicago and Madison don't trust them. ;)

[steveksux]

More specifically, Chicago and Madison don't trust them. ;)Yes, you are correct... Its a damn shame, I used to like Chicago before I carried. Thought, "if I had to leave Detroit, it'd be a nice place to live." Midwesterny, urban, more nightlife....

Now I know better. I'm better off in Detroit. And that's saying something... :rofl:

Randy

[Buki192327]

A big THANK YOU to emtp2rn, for the reply. I knew I was good with an Ohio CCP. Wasn't sure about restaurants that serve alcohol, and some of the other places, as each state is different. Sure didn't want to get in any trouble while I am up there. Thanks again.:yourock:

[passive101]

More specifically, Chicago and Madison don't trust them. ;)

You can't buy a handgun in Madison, but you can own them there correct?

[Warp]

You can't buy a handgun in Madison, but you can own them there correct?

I have no idea.

Although I'm pretty sure that technically/legally you can open carry there. Just don't try it. :upeyes:

I have family in WI and I have attended a sporting event in Madison, but it's been a short while and I don't recall the specifics of hte laws I looked up at the time.

[WIG19]

You can't buy a handgun in Madison, but you can own them there correct?Sure you can .Madison is not Chicago; it just wants to be. It is another of those liberal centers of academia from whom all (taxable) blessings flow.
:puking:

Warp's posts summed it up. States like MI et al who make no provision for those having non-resident permits from another state yet live in a state with no CC-process are on my s-list. I've hired a shaman to fashion a model of the state of Michigan from a Cheddar-Colby blend and will be placing black polymer stickpins in it. (The only thing in Chicago worthy of existence on the planet is at 1060 W. Addison on the northside.)

(The viability of open-carry varies by locale; perfectly legal and state-preemption law makes local law prohibiting it largely unenforceable - but there are places where you will become a test-case. Proactive dialogue with counties around the state is in progress and this may change in many locales... Madison might be the last, even Milwaukee has its test case right now.)

:patriot:

[rfb45colt]

You can't buy a handgun in Madison, but you can own them there correct?

Madison, at one time, did have a city ordinance prohibiting the retail sale of handguns... but passage of the state pre-emption law (about 12 years ago) negated it. That ordinance did not effect possession, nor private sales within Madison.

WI is actually pretty darn good regarding gun laws, and most of the state (other than Madistan and Milwaukee) are "gun friendly".

Examples:

- there are no firearm "registrations".

- no "safety inspections", like in MI.

- no "permits to purchase", like in MI & MN.

- no "FOID cards" (nor any other type of gun owner licensing), like in IL.


WI has no "bans" whatsoever on possession of any type of firearms, nor magazines, ammunition, etc. If federal law allows it, so does WI law (there are a few state laws that are "duplicate" to federal laws regarding NFA stuff). Curiously though, WI does outlaw non-firing firearm "replicas" of any firearm manufactured after 1898.

The only downsides for gun owners here, are:

- the obvious lack of CCW.

- a 48 hr "waiting period" on delivery of handguns purchased from a FFL. (No wait for long guns which are cash & carry after federal NICS check; no problems with FTF private sales neither).

When WI passes a CCW law (and we will eventually), and if it includes a "waiver" for permit holders on the 48 hr handgun wait (which it should, IMO), WI will move to near the top of the list of "gun friendly" states.

[rvrctyrngr]

Madison, at one time, did have a city ordinance prohibiting the retail sale of handguns... but passage of the state pre-emption law (about 12 years ago) negated it. That ordinance did not effect possession, nor private sales within Madison.

WI is actually pretty darn good regarding gun laws, and most of the state (other than Madistan and Milwaukee) are "gun friendly".

Examples:

- there are no firearm "registrations".

- no "safety inspections", like in MI.

- no "permits to purchase", like in MI & MN.

- no "FOID cards" (nor any other type of gun owner licensing), like in IL.


WI has no "bans" whatsoever on possession of any type of firearms, nor magazines, ammunition, etc. If federal law allows it, so does WI law (there are a few state laws that are "duplicate" to federal laws regarding NFA stuff). Curiously though, WI does outlaw non-firing firearm "replicas" of any firearm manufactured after 1898.

The only downsides for gun owners here, are:

- the obvious lack of CCW.

- a 48 hr "waiting period" on delivery of handguns purchased from a FFL. (No wait for long guns which are cash & carry after federal NICS check; no problems with FTF private sales neither).

When WI passes a CCW law (and we will eventually), and if it includes a "waiver" for permit holders on the 48 hr handgun wait (which it should, IMO), WI will move to near the top of the list of "gun friendly" states.

Depends on how many places they place on the 'no carry' list.

FL has a 3-day wait on handguns for non-cwfl, which, as a matter of practicality, is 5 days (the day you pay for it and the day you pick it up don't count).

[Saltcreek]

Yup.

Michigan doesn't trust anybody from WI or IL to have a gun.


Heck, Illinois does not trust it's OWN residents to carry a gun!

[WIG19]

Depends on how many places they place on the 'no carry' list.
Actually the last two versions of the PPA that got vetoed aren't too bad relative to some other states. And sadly it even had a reciprocity clause whose elegance in simplicity would be well emulated by other states, i.e., if you possess a current & legally-issued permit from another state, it will be honored the same as a resident permit.

:patriot:

[rvrctyrngr]

That's good to know, WIG. At least some folks in Madison are right-thinking.

Florida isn't too bad. Two things I'd like to see changed is carry on college campus (licensed), and OC option (either licensed or unlicensed).

If you recall, what were some of the prohibited places?

Doyle planning on dropping dead anytime soon? Does he need help?

[rfb45colt]

If you recall, what were some of the prohibited places?



Pretty much the "usual" places. Schools, government buildings, day-care centers, taverns (those that derived more than 50% of revenue from serving alcohol).

As for the schools/daycare centers, it did NOT apply to parking areas or the 1000' zone, IF you were dropping off or picking up your children - as long as you did not exit the vehicle with your firearm.

One prohibited place that might be differant from other states was any "organized" sporting event... be it high school, college, pro, or even things like youth soccer leagues or little league games. It started out as school sponsored or pro games only, but was amended to include the little league stuff. The Dems were afraid some irate parent might take out an umpire or referee. :upeyes:

Another "odd" place, was so many feet from a school bus (I think it was 100', but I don't recall the exact distance). This was known as the "Hubler Amendment". A Dem Assemblywoman, Mary Hubler, proposed this, and said if it was added to the bill, she'd vote for it... so it was adopted. Nobody had an inkling of how this could be practically enforced, but ONE more vote was desperately needed (at that time) to ensure a veto override (66 were needed... she was considered the deciding 66th vote, but as it turned out, two other Dems backstabbed us and flipped their votes, and we lost the override by two).

As WIG19 said, the reciprocity was almost total. Any permit issued by any other State, resident or non-resident permit didn't matter, would be honored. The lone exception to non-resident permits was WI residents needed a WI permit. There was no provision for issuing non-resident permits to non-WI residents... but with the total reciprocity, it was just another complication that wasn't needed.

[rvrctyrngr]

Thanks for the info. Doesn't sound too bad, at all. Pretty much the same as ours, with a couple of exceptions.

Hope ya'll can get something passed in the near future.

[Warp]

Thanks for the info. Doesn't sound too bad, at all. Pretty much the same as ours, with a couple of exceptions.

Hope ya'll can get something passed in the near future.


All in all you could do a LOT worse than MI or FL.

I'd probably take FL's due to a lack of handgun registration. But that wont' affect you if you don't live there, anyway.

[zbusdriver]

Warp's posts summed it up. States like MI et al who make no provision for those having non-resident permits from another state yet live in a state with no CC-process are on my s-list. I've hired a shaman to fashion a model of the state of Michigan from a Cheddar-Colby blend and will be placing black polymer stickpins in it. (The only thing in Chicago worthy of existence on the planet is at 1060 W. Addison on the northside.)let me see if i got this straight: you live in wisconsin and have no right to carry concealed. but, instead of focusing your energy on getting that corrected – you HATE Michigan because you cannot carry in Michigan with another state’s non-resident concealed permit because michigan only recognizes a permit carried by a person who holds a permit from a state in which they reside, correct? i have to say that your hatred of Michigan is misdirected and a waste of your time; however, i am amused buy it. i remember you stating this position in another thread, so this has been going on for a while now. you need to spend your energy on getting wisconsin’s law changed, and please find a good therapist to deal with your misdirected anger.

[rfb45colt]

let me see if i got this straight: you live in wisconsin and have no right to carry concealed. but, instead of focusing your energy on getting that corrected – you HATE Michigan because you cannot carry in Michigan with another state’s non-resident concealed permit because michigan only recognizes a permit carried by a person who holds a permit from a state in which they reside, correct? i have to say that your hatred of Michigan is misdirected and a waste of your time; however, i am amused buy it. i remember you stating this position in another thread, so this has been going on for a while now. you need to spend your energy on getting wisconsin’s law changed, and please find a good therapist to deal with your misdirected anger.

WIG19 has worked as hard as anybody to get a CCW law passed in WI. So have I (I could fill up a whole page detailing what we've done... to no avail, yet. But when a CCW law does come to WI, it'll be because of what we've been doing for years. We've been "focused" on it since the 90's). Whether we live in a state that issues permits or not does not explain the rationale behind the "resident permit only" status in MI (CO, KS, SC, WV as well). Just because our state govt denies us our rights doesn't mean MI has to do so also, based on where we live and not whether we're just as qualified as residents of shall issue states.


Here's a prime example of how absurd this policy can be. I live in WI, just a few miles from MI's upper peninsula. I have permits from MN & FL. I can carry legally in about 28 states with those "non-resident" permits.

My daughter, who grew up here in WI, now resides in MN (she stayed after graduating from the U. of MN, as she had a good paying job that she likes). She has a MN permit as well... and everything she knows about firearms and self defense she learned from me.

My sister and her husband now live in FL. My bro-in-law has a FL permit. He qualified for it by using the hunter safety class he took while living in IL. His instructor? Yours truly.

If the 3 of us drive a few miles north in the U.P., both of them can carry legally. Although I hold both of the permits they each respectively have, I can't. Neither of those permits distinguishes between "residents" and "non-residents". Our permits are identical. I taught them both... she lives 300 miles away... he lives almost 2,000 miles away ... I live two miles away. Does this make sense, simply because I'm stuck in a state with an anti-gun, veto-happy, Asshat for a governor?

As far as I'm concerned, states like MI are denying us our right to self defense - not based on whether or not we're qualified under the same standards as resident permit holders, but based upon geographical political bullcrap. This includes WIG19 and all other citizens in states where they cannot obtain a permit - not just WI & IL, but all those "may-issue" states where only "important" people can get a permit too.

FL & NH also honor "resident only" permits... but the differance is they have a provision for us "no-permit state" residents to comply. They'll issue us one of their permits, using the same standards they have for ALL U.S. citizens. When a state has a law that allows most citizens to comply, but excludes a small portion of people with absolutely no provision for them to comply based on arbritary reasons, there's only one word for it - discrimination.

[zbusdriver]

WIG19 has worked as hard as anybody to get a CCW law passed in WI. So have I (I could fill up a whole page detailing what we've done... to no avail, yet. But when a CCW law does come to WI, it'll be because of what we've been doing for years. We've been "focused" on it since the 90's). Whether we live in a state that issues permits or not does not explain the rationale behind the "resident permit only" status in MI (CO, KS, SC, WV as well). Just because our state govt denies us our rights doesn't mean MI has to do so also, based on where we live and not whether we're just as qualified as residents of shall issue states.


Here's a prime example of how absurd this policy can be. I live in WI, just a few miles from MI's upper peninsula. I have permits from MN & FL. I can carry legally in about 28 states with those "non-resident" permits.

My daughter, who grew up here in WI, now resides in MN (she stayed after graduating from the U. of MN, as she had a good paying job that she likes). She has a MN permit as well... and everything she knows about firearms and self defense she learned from me.

My sister and her husband now live in FL. My bro-in-law has a FL permit. He qualified for it by using the hunter safety class he took while living in IL. His instructor? Yours truly.

If the 3 of us drive a few miles north in the U.P., both of them can carry legally. Although I hold both of the permits they each respectively have, I can't. Neither of those permits distinguishes between "residents" and "non-residents". Our permits are identical. I taught them both... she lives 300 miles away... he lives almost 2,000 miles away ... I live two miles away. Does this make sense, simply because I'm stuck in a state with an anti-gun, veto-happy, Asshat for a governor?

As far as I'm concerned, states like MI are denying us our right to self defense - not based on whether or not we're qualified under the same standards as resident permit holders, but based upon geographical political bullcrap. This includes WIG19 and all other citizens in states where they cannot obtain a permit - not just WI & IL, but all those "may-issue" states where only "important" people can get a permit too.

FL & NH also honor "resident only" permits... but the differance is they have a provision for us "no-permit state" residents to comply. They'll issue us one of their permits, using the same standards they have for ALL U.S. citizens. When a state has a law that allows most citizens to comply, but excludes a small portion of people with absolutely no provision for them to comply based on arbritary reasons, there's only one word for it - discrimination.point taken. good post! and i feel your pain, but WIG19 said, “I've hired a shaman to fashion a model of the state of Michigan from a Cheddar-Colby blend and will be placing black polymer stickpins in it.” that sounds a bit more than nutty to me. he seems irrational and psychotic.

if you guys, do in fact, live a couple of miles form michigan, then maybe it’s time to move two miles away. oh, that’s right, you still will not be able to carry in wisconsin. maybe he needs to revaluate his position on michigan and hate wisconsin, instead. i live in michigan and i cannot carry in wisconsin, even though michigan recognizes all other states permits, and i don’t hate wisconsin. WIG19 wants to stick pins into a state of michigan effigy? he needs some professional help.

i applaud you for your hard work and effort in changing wisconsin’s laws. however, your friend needs to focus on cleaning up his own house and should stop blaming others for his woes. its not a healthly thought process.

go badgers! i’m pulling for you! and i like wisconsin, even though you guys won’t let me carry in your state.

[rfb45colt]

point taken. good post! and i feel your pain, but WIG19 said, “I've hired a shaman to fashion a model of the state of Michigan from a Cheddar-Colby blend and will be placing black polymer stickpins in it.” that sounds a bit more than nutty to me. he seems irrational and psychotic.

if you guys, do in fact, live a couple of miles form michigan, then maybe it’s time to move two miles away. oh, that’s right, you still will not be able to carry in wisconsin. maybe he needs to revaluate his position on michigan and hate wisconsin, instead. i live in michigan and i cannot carry in wisconsin, even though michigan recognizes all other states permits, and i don’t hate wisconsin. WIG19 wants to stick pins into a state of michigan effigy? he needs some professional help.

i applaud you for your hard work and effort in changing wisconsin’s laws. however, your friend needs to focus on cleaning up his own house and should stop blaming others for his woes. its not a healthly thought process.

go badgers! i’m pulling for you! and i like wisconsin, even though you guys won’t let me carry in your state.

First off... WIG19's tale of hiring a shaman is nothing more than a joke. Lighten up. :cool: He doesn't live up here near the U.P. ... but he's not far from MN, in the S.W. part of WI.

As for moving up the road to the U.P., if it weren't for the "gun registration" (AKA "safety inspection"), I'd consider it. Let's just say I have more than a dozen handguns, and what I own is nobody's business but mine.

I own a small business, and moving into the U.P. wouldn't affect that at all. In fact, I do a lot of work in the U.P. But, I'm 58 yrs old, and in 4 years I see retirement on the horizon. I've got a pension from previous employment waiting, and SS too. I'm currently raising my 11yr old granddaughter (my oldest daughter's). In 7 yrs, when she goes away to college (my wife is eligible to retire the same year), we'll probably move to MN, where my younger daughter and her family are living.

In the meantime, I'll keep on fighting for CCW here. Neither one of us "hates" MI, nor do we "hate" WI... just the liberal a-holes who make the laws (a better description would be the liberal a-holes in WI who have just enough power in Madistan to prevent a good CCW law from being passed).