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HerrGlock
06-16-2008, 03:08
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/06/16/open_carry_guns_at_our_childrens_risk/
'Open carry' guns at our children's risk
By James Carroll
June 16, 2008

IMAGINE A child barely tall enough to reach the top drawer of the bedroom dresser. Imagine the child on tip-toes opening the drawer because the forbidden object is hidden there. The naughty thrill of reaching under the socks, the shock of actually touching the thing, finding it cold, as if on ice. Such is my memory of furtive encounters with my father's handgun. At the time, Dad was an FBI agent. Where he stowed his weapon when off-duty was absolutely out-of-bounds, which defined its appeal. Invading that drawer is my first remembered act of disobedience.

Even at age 4, I was hypnotized by a gun. The gun was a mystical object, with significance that far transcended any imagined use. Fear, but also consolation. Awe. Trembling. That the gun was my father's was a first clue to potency. Hidden away, yet the gun sent a pulse through the whole apartment, a psychological electromagnet around which my awareness swirled. Long before I tasted the temptations of sex, I yielded to an irresistible prurience by opening that drawer. Initiation into obscenity. Because primal disobedience is so defining, I found a sense of independent selfhood in relationship to a gun. Only later would I realize how very American that makes me.

What is it with Americans and guns? "The right to bear arms" is the constitutional dynamo sparking an electromagnetic pulse through every corner of politics. Meanwhile, in the nation's cities, a slow-motion massacre unfolds, with gunshots mercilessly cutting down a legion of the young. Yet in legislatures, bills designed to reduce gun violence are routinely killed by the all-powerful lobbying of the National Rifle Association. Presidential candidates are universally required to worship at the altar of the Second Amendment.

Now an "open carry" movement encourages gun owners to wear their weapons ostentatiously on their belts, "to make a firearm," in the words of a Los Angeles Times story last week, "as common an accessory as an iPod." Or, as one open carrier said, "Hey, we're normal people who carry guns."

Get used to it. In most states, there is no law against license-holders cradling a rifle on the street, or holstering a firearm on a hip, like Wyatt Earp. But since the close of the last frontier, gun display, except in movies, has been culturally taboo. The power of that prohibition is what stirred me at my father's dresser. "Open carry" aims to remove such visceral negativity, though the taboo amounts, in fact, to last ditch gun control. The "normalizing" of guns will inevitably normalize their use. From movies to legislation to political rhetoric - and now to "accessory" fashion: guns galore. And who, pray tell, will bear, not the arms, but the consequences?

In despair over unchecked gun-carnage in Chicago schools, Mayor Richard Daley asked, "Why is America turning its back on its children when it comes to gun violence?" The answer is buried deep in the national psyche, and I am a case in point. The gun is a totemic object, with meanings that drill far below surface arguments about self-defense, the sport of hunting, standing militias, or the intent of the Framers. Children die because these deeper meanings of the gun go unreckoned with.

Anthropologists suggest that the evolutionary mutation separating primates from humans was the invention of the weapon. Instead of merely gathering food, our forebears began to hunt for it, and "culture" followed. The hunt organized around a weapon, whether a wedge-shaped stone or a sharpened stick, led to cooperation, planning, sharing, communication, and even upright posture. But the use of weapons against fellow animals seems also to have imbued humans with a sense of shame, which spawned post-hunt rituals of sacrificial atonement, the genesis of religion. Only the weapon made it possible for humans to better beasts, but only shame enabled humans to moderate the weapon's use. Otherwise, the human species would have plunged quickly into self-eliminating extinction.

In the great American gun debate, some would forgo the primordial shame the weapon still generates. Hence the "open carry" movement. But given the gun-deaths of children, and the sponsoring gun-paralysis of politics, Americans should have more shame, not less. A gun is no iPod. Shame is the children's last protection.

James Carroll's column appears regularly in the Globe

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Aran
06-16-2008, 03:17
Primordial shame.

Bahahahahahahahahaha

kahrcarrier
06-16-2008, 04:29
Glad to learn my gun is a "totemic object."


Apparently, this guy writes using a style meant to show us "commoners" how intelligent and clever he is................

GMB
06-16-2008, 06:43
Because clearly, one man's childhood fears and uncertainties are meant to be projected on all of society, and thereby inform its policies. :upeyes:

This is the logic of the anti: If I harbor a baseless, irrational fear of something I haven't bothered to fully understand, surely no one else will mind if I seek to ban its procurement and possession entirely.

:upeyes:

Adalan
06-16-2008, 14:25
Seeing as this was written in MA, what are the policies on open carry in MA?

TylerDurden
06-16-2008, 14:58
That was the most dramatic, psychobabble filled, firearms related article I have ever read.

WIG19
06-16-2008, 15:02
Send author through this. (http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/) I'm sure my grand-daughters would be happy to help him if he's learning challenged. They have their own crayons & know how to share and everything.

:patriot:

McLovin
06-16-2008, 17:55
Send author through this. (http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/) I'm sure my grand-daughters would be happy to help him if he's learning challenged. They have their own crayons & know how to share and everything.

:patriot:

That's about as effective as the "just say no" approach to early sex and drugs.

Kids are attracted to the forbidden and always will be. Sorry if that amounts to psychobable but it's plain simple truth.

DaverZ
06-16-2008, 18:52
Sounds like to me he was saying all gun owners are irresponsible boobs that leaves their guns laying around so that any child can pick it up and play with it,total crap.Most of us are law biding people who strive to keep our firearms out out of the hands of those who should not be handleing them,example,children.Any person that does leave it where it can be accessed is a complete boob imho and does NOT deserve to handle or even own a gun.Too many people are either afraid of guns or don't understand them and are therefor brainwashed by the anti gun crowd.(sigh) end of rant

sf3pox1
06-16-2008, 20:25
Seeing as this was written in MA, what are the policies on open carry in MA?

Open carry is legal in this state... HOWEVER, there have been cases where people that have open carried have gotten their LTC's taken away by the chief of police in their towns becuase when you open carry you are "disturbing the peace."

bennwj
06-16-2008, 21:14
Obviously the writer was a liberal idiot.

Having said that I am not a big fan of open carry. I don't think it should be illegal, but it is not for me. As a matter of fact if you want to strap on a pair of Arnold Swwartzenegger commemorative Desert Eagles in shoulder holsters to go to Wal-Mart you should be able to.

Unfortunately, many non-gun people would be a bit nervous and who needs all that attention anyway?

In my mind carrying openly COULD make you a bigger target for the scumbag. I don't have any references for that, but for me I think I'll keep mine concealed.

PawDog
06-16-2008, 21:24
But, but, ...it's for the children!!! Forget that the "children" dying of gun violence are 98% gang members, (14 - 20 year olds) toting handguns they've stolen, or purchased on the market that were stolen by others......:upeyes:

Turtle13
06-16-2008, 21:49
Imagine the child on tip-toes opening the drawer because the forbidden object is hidden there.

My guns are locked up safely, whether thats a trigger lock or other disabling device. I don't "hide" them and they are certainly not forbidden to my kids. If they wanna see it, I get it out. If they want to shoot it we get some ammo and go. My kids (including my 3 yr old) have never touched any guns when they weren't supposed to. Feed the curiosity with knowledge instead of burying it with idiocy.

Gunnut 45/454
06-17-2008, 01:41
Turtle13
I'll take it one step further -teach them as soon as they ask questions and keep teaching them about firearms until it become a part of them and then it will never be a problem! My daughter was tought from the age of 5 yrs old all about firearms and I never had to lock them up! Once she was old enough to shoot she was taught how to shoot and then was shown what a gun could do -as far a damage to water jugs- watermelons. Then it was explained this is what you could do to herself or others if she misused a firearm. Then again she would go hunting with me a see first hand what a fiream can do!
I grew up in a house where guns were around all the time-never locked up- and I knew from and early age not to touch and was taught how to shoot as well. What it comes down to is if you the parent don't teach them then you get what get!

Turtle13
06-17-2008, 03:43
Turtle13
I'll take it one step further -teach them as soon as they ask questions and keep teaching them about firearms until it become a part of them and then it will never be a problem! My daughter was tought from the age of 5 yrs old all about firearms and I never had to lock them up! Once she was old enough to shoot she was taught how to shoot and then was shown what a gun could do -as far a damage to water jugs- watermelons. Then it was explained this is what you could do to herself or others if she misused a firearm. Then again she would go hunting with me a see first hand what a fiream can do!
I grew up in a house where guns were around all the time-never locked up- and I knew from and early age not to touch and was taught how to shoot as well. What it comes down to is if you the parent don't teach them then you get what get!

:cheers:
I do all that, save for the locking up the guns. I trust my kids 99%, I don't want to get bitten by that 1%. What I'm more concerned with about is other kids that are at our house alot...nephews, nieces, cousins. I'd rather keep them safely locked to avoid issues.

Just today my 3 yr old was interested in my 23. I was unloading it and he got curious, so I let him handle it. He'll be the first one to grab a toy gun and start playing, but he sees the G23 every day and usually won't even bat an eye at it. I feed his little minds curiosity whenever he needs it.

Jettubby
06-17-2008, 09:40
I'm so tired of these 'think they're more enlightened' that everyone else noobs. The safest place for a gun in the house with children is on my hip. They're not going to get at it there. :supergrin:

smoke
06-17-2008, 10:22
This dude must have taken vocabulary lessons from Howard Cosell. That's the most meaningless bunch of crap that I've ever read.

d3athp3nguin
06-17-2008, 11:10
These anti-gun columnists need to stop polluting the environment with their own insecurities.

TylerDurden
06-17-2008, 12:32
That's about as effective as the "just say no" approach to early sex and drugs.

Kids are attracted to the forbidden and always will be. Sorry if that amounts to psychobable but it's plain simple truth.

True, that's why I got my nephew into shooting early. Gun handling, safety and shooting with BB guns for a couple years. When he had muzzle and trigger discipline and the rules of safety down we moved up... he's eight now:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/stalingradseven/0570989-R3-041-19.jpg

2crow
06-17-2008, 12:50
True, that's why I got my nephew into shooting early. Gun handling, safety and shooting with BB guns for a couple years. When he had muzzle and trigger discipline and the rules of safety down we moved up... he's eight now:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/stalingradseven/0570989-R3-041-19.jpg


Cool pic Tyler! Way to get that nephew out there and de-mistify that gun.

Good for you and him both!

TylerDurden
06-17-2008, 13:04
Cool pic Tyler! Way to get that nephew out there and de-mistify that gun.

Good for you and him both!

I also gave him the cold hard truth about what a firearm does to a living creature as well, he knows how to respect them and what they can do in the right/wrong hands.

I've got to mention his kneeling stance... kid's a pro. Pretty good with a pistol too:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/stalingradseven/0570989-R3-047-22.jpg

Gunnut 45/454
06-17-2008, 15:48
TylerDurden
Looks like you got another boy getting ready to be a man!! :) God knows we need more like him!!

beefums
06-17-2008, 16:24
After reading that article I want to open carry. Seriously. I want it to be as common as an ipod or cell phone.

TylerDurden
06-17-2008, 16:27
TylerDurden
Looks like you got another boy getting ready to be a man!! :) God knows we need more like him!!

Doing my best, his dad's a deadbeat so I try. He's a good kid, he'll be a good man.

Thanks.

RussP
06-17-2008, 17:47
TylerDurden
Looks like you got another boy getting ready to be a man!! :) God knows we need more like him!!Amen...

tjbert47
06-17-2008, 18:08
That was the most dramatic, psychobabble filled, firearms related article I have ever read.



DING DING DING
We have a winner! You sir hit the nail on the head.

Big Al 24
06-17-2008, 19:48
But, but, ...it's for the children!!! Forget that the "children" dying of gun violence are 98% gang members, (14 - 20 year olds) toting handguns they've stolen, or purchased on the market that were stolen by others......:upeyes:


All removal of freedoms is usually preceded by weeping for the children. It goes along with the "Soccer Mommying" of America. I think it's why people are getting stupider- trophy's for the losing team and so forth- You don't learn the value of anything unless you take time to learn and occasionally fail.

marcoh
06-18-2008, 00:05
"Totemic object"? Wow! And all this time I thought my guns were just phallic symbols.

TylerDurden
06-18-2008, 01:22
"Totemic object"? Wow! And all this time I thought my guns were just phallic symbols.

Just wanted to say that I LOVE "Forbidden Planet" - cool avatar!

PhoneCop
06-18-2008, 08:36
That's about as effective as the "just say no" approach to early sex and drugs.

Kids are attracted to the forbidden and always will be. Sorry if that amounts to psychobable but it's plain simple truth.

You have some research which shows it didn't work or that putting condoms on bananas works better... doubt it.

Kids are curious, educate and the curiosity goes away.

marcoh
06-18-2008, 09:57
Just wanted to say that I LOVE "Forbidden Planet" - cool avatar!

Right back at you. I've lost count of how many times I've seen "Fight Club". :thumbsup:

lance22
06-18-2008, 14:42
Yeah, we've all heard that rap a million times and frankly that bit is pretty worn out. The gun is the modern man's equivalent of the cave-man's spear - his talisman to ward off his fear of the unknown, low brow troglodytes clinging in fear to superstitions and primordial urges, rather than pressing forward as modern, progressive thinkers. The pseudo-intellectual vernacular does little to hide the idiocy of the suggestion.

I would only point out that almost every modern genocide has been carried out by a ruler who believed in modern, progressive ideas. Stalin, Hitler, PolPot and others wanted to move society forward to the next level. Sometimes, progressive thinking has oxymoronic results.

I'll keep my Totemic objects not because they hold a mystical sway over the demons of my id, but rather because it's proven time and time again that those without guns invariably must be rescued by those who have them. And, no advance in society has or ever will change that.

TheHighwayman
06-18-2008, 23:42
Open carry is legal in this state... HOWEVER, there have been cases where people that have open carried have gotten their LTC's taken away by the chief of police in their towns becuase when you open carry you are "disturbing the peace."

I have heard of a guy who lost his LTC for "brandishing a firearm" becuase he was concealed under an unbutton blazer that blew open while he was carrying pizzas to his car. :-/

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