Dont know if it matters to any of you

[MEM10G23]

Looks like DC may be lifting the ban on hand guns, Maybe California and Illinois will take notes

[vafish]

Link to your source?

[THE KING]

Looks like DC may be lifting the ban on hand guns, Maybe California and Illinois will take notes

OH YEAH, it does matter. Just hope they take it one step farther here in Illinois and go for CCW.

But as usual here is the problem, DALY, BLAGO AND OBAMA.

ALL FROM ILLINOIS !!!!!

[HerrGlock]

Link to your source?

At a guess, the OP's talking about Heller.

[speedlace]

Link to your source?
I think he's speculating.

:)

[MEM10G23]

This isnt where I heard it though, it was just something I caught on the news when I woke up.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2008/03/in-sight-2.html

[mustangdave]

---Justice Breyer urged the Court to look at the purpose of the DC law. In light of the 80,000 to 100,000 people killed every year by handguns, why can’t cities act to keep streets safer and ban them? “Does this case not hinge on whether it’s reasonable to ban handguns, while leaving you free to own other weapons?” he asked the lawyer opposing the ban.



That sure is alot of people. I'm sure he has that facts to back that up, right?


Edit: I read some of the comments there and it's sickening and insulting. :upeyes:

[HerrGlock]

This isnt where I heard it though, it was just something I caught on the news when I woke up.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2008/03/in-sight-2.html

Do a search on "heller" here on GT and see what you come up with :supergrin:

[Yellowfin]

Ideally Breyer and Ginsberg will be disbarred and removed. Any motion going on this?

[brboyer]

Ideally Breyer and Ginsberg will be disbarred and removed. Any motion going on this?

It's called impeachment: Not going happen just because you don't like the way they rule.

It requires a majority vote of the House to impeach, then a 2/3 majority vote of the Senate: Has never happened.

[MattG23Seattle]

Gun-related deaths in the USA


Statistics and causes
The definitive source for US injury death statistics is the Centers For Disease Control National Center (http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate.html)for Injury Prevention & Control website which provides statistics on all deaths by injury, not just gun deaths. To get the number of gun deaths for a year just set the Cause of Injury to Firearm. If you only want to know the number of child gun deaths per year then choose the custom age range and input 0 years ( <1 ) as the lowest age and 17 years as the top age. Be sure to select "No Age-Adjusting Requested" if you are only interested in a particular age group.

Note that the CDC child gun death figures are typically half of the figures that the gun control lobby publishes. The difference is in the definition of a child. The gun control lobby counts young adults that are 18 or 19 years old as children, but they do not count 20 year olds as children. You can choose from one of two possible reasons, depending on your level of cynicism: 1. The standard CDC age groups used to go from 0-19, 20-39, etc and the gun control lobby couldn't figure out how to select a custom age group. 2. Counting 18 and 19 year olds as children doubles the number of so-called child gun deaths, and more child gun deaths means more support for gun control.

In 1999 there were 1776 gun deaths in the 0 through 17 age group and 3385 gun deaths in the 0 through 19 age group. By subtraction we find that there were a whopping 1609 gun deaths in just the 18 through 19 age group. Historically the 18 through 24 age group is the highest crime-committing group. At age 18 part-time drug dealers leave school and become full-time drug dealers. Despite the propaganda from the gun control lobby, criminals in general and drug dealers in particular are the group of so-called children most likely to be shot by their fellow criminals. You can verify this by reading the local gun death news stories in any city newspaper. School shootings are so rare that every one gets national television coverage, but drug dealers are shot so often that they are barely mentioned in their local newspaper.

Older people's gun deaths are most likely to be suicides. Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of Justice (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/)Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.

The best way to prevent gun deaths is to treat depression and other mental illness, teach children not to sell or use illegal drugs, treat drug addiction, and have police concentrate on enforcing drug laws. However, the gun control lobby says that we should spend billions of dollars on gun registration and gun licensing instead of using the money to treat depression and combat drugs.

The accidental gun death rate has been falling since 1930 and US accidental gun deaths per year were down to 824 by 1999 according to the CDC. Note that it is extremely easy to prevent accidental gun deaths by following Jeff Cooper's Four Rules Of Gun Safety.


And here is the CDC Data for 2000 to 2005

United States
Homicide Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
All Races, Both Sexes, All Ages
ICD-10 Codes: X93-X95, *U01.4

http://pws.cablespeed.com/~matthughes/stats.jpg

[blownhemi]

That sure is alot of people. I'm sure he has that facts to back that up, right?


Edit: I read some of the comments there and it's sickening and insulting. :upeyes:


As far as I know gun deaths in the US are around 40,000 per year and over half of those are due to suicide.

As for breaking it up into groups of HANDGUNS versus LONGARMS I don't know if there are any figures for that.

That Judge really needs to get their facts right before spouting out bull like that.

[MattG23Seattle]

As far as I know gun deaths in the US are around 40,000 per year

That Judge really needs to get their facts right before spouting out bull like that.


Amen.

[Patronus]

I dunno. The way the Court has ruled regarding Gitmo prisoners' rights, I think the worst outcome is entirely possible.

[HerrGlock]

I dunno. The way the Court has ruled regarding Gitmo prisoners' rights, I think the worst outcome is entirely possible.

Not really. The Constitution is a limitation and granting of Fed Gov powers. There is nothing in there about towards citizens or any other group of people, just a limitation and granting of powers and "the people"

Should be interesting to see what they have to say in any case.

[LittleRedToyota]

It's called impeachment: Not going happen just because you don't like the way they rule.

It requires a majority vote of the House to impeach, then a 2/3 majority vote of the Senate: Has never happened.

just for historical curiousity...

there has been one supreme court justice, samuel chase, who was impeached. however, the senate acquitted him, so he was not removed from office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Chase

("impeach" basically means to "charge" him. the house voted to "impeach" him...therefore he was "impeached". however, he was then essentially found "not guilty" by the senate. clinton was also impeached, but not ever actually removed from office.)

more on the process of impeachment...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment

[Hask12]

Pure speculation. The Supreme Court decision should be made sometime next week, hopefully as soon as Monday. Until then, don't put much value in what you may hear. Also don't be swayed by all the hype the press may say about the decision. Instead wait a few days after the ruling and all the hype has blown over and get yourself a reliable source who can efficiently interpret the entire ruling and not by just reading bits and pieces of it.
Remember any positive ruling will not necessarily change things in Illinois or Wisconsin, or any other State that may not be a shall issue State. What it might do is allow individuals or organizations to file legal actions against those States, forcing them to change their laws, based on the Supreme Court ruling.
Remember there are still State Rights.

[tshadow6]

I agree with Has12. I believe the SCOTUS will rule in faver of Heller. Remember, a FEDERAL Appelate court ruled in favor of Heller. It's the Antis who took it to the Supreme Court. I doubt if the Chief Justices will overule a Federal Appeal ruling. Now, I have no legal training, but I do believe the 2nd Ammendment is going to win on this one. Then we can start suing CA., IL., and every other state that denies us our right.

[Hef]

As far as I know gun deaths in the US are around 40,000 per year and over half of those are due to suicide.

As for breaking it up into groups of HANDGUNS versus LONGARMS I don't know if there are any figures for that.

That Judge really needs to get their facts right before spouting out bull like that.


More like 12,000.

[Gunnut 45/454]

I don't know but I'm thinking they might wait until the 4 July before they let it out! Just a feeling! :)

[Hask12]

My understanding Gunnut is that they are required to rule by next week. Traditionally, major decisions are made on Mondays, so get ready.

[deadday]

Ideally Breyer and Ginsberg will be disbarred and removed. Any motion going on this?

Motion is seconded...All in favor say 'Ai'








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[Cody Jarrett]

As far as I know gun deaths in the US are around 40,000 per year and over half of those are due to suicide.

As for breaking it up into groups of HANDGUNS versus LONGARMS I don't know if there are any figures for that.

That Judge really needs to get their facts right before spouting out bull like that.
The gun death numbers include suicide. Statistics from countries with gun bans show that suicide rates were no lower than countries where guns are legal.

[rvrctyrngr]

I don't know but I'm thinking they might wait until the 4 July before they let it out! Just a feeling! :)

Should be next week. They are scheduled to recess before the end of June.

[Caver 60]

The gun death numbers include suicide. Statistics from countries with gun bans show that suicide rates were no lower than countries where guns are legal.

Here's some support for Cody, and the home page of this site is an excellent source for pro gun facts:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvsuic.html

Furthermore homicide rates are actually higher in some countries with strict gun control laws, than they are here in the US.