CCW on a military installation?

[Surt]

Let me just start with saying that I am sick and tired of clearing my CCW every morning for PT and re-loading it every evening on my way back back home. That **** gets old! So my question is this: Does anybody know WHERE I can find the regulations prohibiting carry on base? I've torn the internet APART trying to find info like a memorandum or an AR, or what have you. Just like I verify all CCW laws at a .gov site, I want to see this prohibition for myself!

[Sapperstang]

Took me two minutes to find this: http://www.bragg.army.mil/ProvostMarshal/ProvostMarshalDocs/FB%20Reg%20190-12.pdf

That is for Fort Bragg but I bet yours is similiar. Go to the post website and then look for the provest marshals link. I hope you're not carrying a concealed handgun onto a military installation. Here is the provost marshals number at Ft Stewart which is where i think you may be: (912) 767-1721, or the Military Police Desk 24 hours daily at (912) 767- 4895.

Again, this is for Fort Bragg but here is a small piece from the above link:

1-5. Concealed handgun permits. North Carolina law that authorizes licensed individuals to
carry concealed handguns, does not apply on the Fort Bragg reservation; thus, state-issued
concealed handgun permits are not recognized or valid on Fort Bragg. Under no circumstances
will the transportation of loaded or concealed handguns, shotguns, or rifles be permitted on Fort
Bragg except by duly authorized law enforcement personnel or by military personnel in the
performance of their official duties

[LoadToadBoss]

Let me just start with saying that I am sick and tired of clearing my CCW every morning for PT and re-loading it every evening on my way back back home. That **** gets old! So my question is this: Does anybody know WHERE I can find the regulations prohibiting carry on base? I've torn the internet APART trying to find info like a memorandum or an AR, or what have you. Just like I verify all CCW laws at a .gov site, I want to see this prohibition for myself!
You won't find anything by search the Internet. Each base is governed by the laws of the base approved by the commander. Every base commander forbids the private carrying of firearms on the installation except as provided under local base governing directives. You will need to contact the installation's commander of security forces/military police for that base's governing regulations. Also, there are usually signs posted warning that all vehicles and persons are subject to search. No reasonable articulable probable cause needs to be given. When on a military installation, you are in another world. Use of deadly force is automatically authorized. You piss around with a SF/MP and you will eat concrete and stand before a federal magistrate. When I was in and worked around nuclear weapons, we used to say that there was nothing more scary than a 19 year-old with an M-16.

[boyscout399]

Isn't a base a federal facility?

USC Title 18 Chapter 44 Subsection 930

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000930----000-.html

You could argue that part d3 (the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. ) would apply to a CCW license holder, but it hasn't been tested in court as far as I know and you would have to be the test case for it cause they WOULD arrest you if they found you out... (not worth the hassle and or jail time IMO)

[Saltcreek]

A military base is Federal property and your State law does not apply. It is up to the Base Commander who may have to follow guidence of a higher chain in each service. I spent 8 years with the USMC on 8 different bases and never saw it allowed. Some bases actually require personal guns to be in the armory and NEVER in Barrracks.

[rvrctyrngr]

Been too long, so I don't remember the reg. Read the sign at the main gate. It should list the applicable USC or base commander policy. Never seen a base that allowed personal weapons in 14 years.

All the bases at which I served allowed you to check personal weapons at the security office. Couldn't carry on base, but at least I wasn't unarmed to and from.

[Bren]

Let me just start with saying that I am sick and tired of clearing my CCW every morning for PT and re-loading it every evening on my way back back home. That **** gets old! So my question is this: Does anybody know WHERE I can find the regulations prohibiting carry on base? I've torn the internet APART trying to find info like a memorandum or an AR, or what have you. Just like I verify all CCW laws at a .gov site, I want to see this prohibition for myself!

Well, for Ft. Knox I just go to the web site and look up the post regulations. There are probably bigger ones in the CFR or even the US Code, but post regs and policies are plenty. You could also just ask the guys at the gate or the MP's.

[Javelin]

The answer for CCW on military bases;


No. :)

[Gunnut 45/454]

No No and NO!!! Federal law! If you want to sit in the Brigg go ahead load up!! If found and convicted you'll get to see Levenwurth KS!! :( I know its a pain to load, unload but that's the game you have to play! I did it for my last four years in!! :)

[357glocker]

Check with the Provost Marshall for your base.

[Powermwt]

Do you gentlemen that are saying no have any personal experience on this issue?

I have called the Provost Marshal on Army; Air Force and Marine Corps bases here in CA and have received permission to carry on base while visiting. Some have been day trips; one was for staying 4 days at the on base RV camping area.

I was told what to say and do at the gate and then went on my way.

So, my advice is to call the base Provost Marshal at the location you are visiting and get the facts on concealed carry from them.

I have also been to bases that do not allow firearms for CCW holders.

[LoadToadBoss]

Do you gentlemen that are saying no have any personal experience on this issue?

I have called the Provost Marshal on Army; Air Force and Marine Corps bases here in CA and have received permission to carry on base while visiting. Some have been day trips; one was for staying 4 days at the on base RV camping area.

I was told what to say and do at the gate and then went on my way.

So, my advice is to call the base Provost Marshal at the location you are visiting and get the facts on concealed carry from them.

I have also been to bases that do not allow firearms for CCW holders.

Yes, I do have personal experience on the issue. The OP asked about general CCW on a military installation. As I mentioned in my earlier post, general carrying of personal firearms is prohibited except as provided in that installation's regulations. Some bases with large wooded area allow hunting and some have Rod & Gun clubs. Installation regulations provide for carry a firearm to and from those area; ususally the most direct route must be taken with no stops in between. At every USAF installation I've been to, you could not even have a personal firearm secured in a locked container in your vehice. If you did have a firearm, you had to declare it at the gate and secure the weapon in the armory. Violations by civilians will result in an appearance before a federal magistrate. Violations by a military member will result in an Article 15 at least and a Court Martial at the most.

[Fire1]

You won't find anything by search the Internet. Each base is governed by the laws of the base approved by the commander. Every base commander forbids the private carrying of firearms on the installation except as provided under local base governing directives. You will need to contact the installation's commander of security forces/military police for that base's governing regulations. Also, there are usually signs posted warning that all vehicles and persons are subject to search. No reasonable articulable probable cause needs to be given. When on a military installation, you are in another world. Use of deadly force is automatically authorized. You piss around with a SF/MP and you will eat concrete and stand before a federal magistrate. When I was in and worked around nuclear weapons, we used to say that there was nothing more scary than a 19 year-old with an M-16.

+1
It is a local instruction on my base that specifies that no personally owned firearms will be allowed on base with the exception of personnel checking their firearm into the armory for long term storage. We allow people to keep their firearms in off base military housing but they are supposed to still fill out paperwork. People living in civilian areas don't need to fill out anything.

Bottom line if you want to read the instruction applicable to your base just stop by the base security office and ask to see it. Some one will surely help you out. Don't take an officers word for it because a lot of the ones I work with will give people different answers on the same subject. Best to read it for yourself.

[Surt]

Thank you for some of your guy's advice. I swear only about 20% of the people on this **** forum actually READ what other people post! F.Y.I. I have talked to the MP and Provost Marshall desk here at Ft. Stewart, and all I've gotten so far is what half of you guys are telling me here, "No." I then kindly ask them AGAIN not for a "Yes" or "No" but WHERE does it say NO. The NO has been universal, the alledged sources have been different based on who I was asking. I'm getting sick and tired of following a policy that I've never seen.

For anyone else that wants to tell me that I can't carry on-base, I ALREADY KNOW THAT! I just want to see this crap for myself! Superstang, that link was very helpful, but I can't find a Provost Marshal link at stewart.army.mil, I'm on staff duty right now, on my 23rd hour, so I can barely think straight, much less look through the pile of dis-organized hooey, so I'll try again later today after some sleep.

[WIG19]

Thank you for some of your guy's advice. I swear only about 20% of the people on this **** forum actually READ what other people post! F.Y.I. I have talked to the MP and Provost Marshall desk here at Ft. Stewart, and all I've gotten so far is what half of you guys are telling me here, "No." I then kindly ask them AGAIN not for a "Yes" or "No" but WHERE does it say NO. The NO has been universal, the alledged sources have been different based on who I was asking. I'm getting sick and tired of following a policy that I've never seen.If you've already asked specifically at Stewart and already have the verbal no, but still want to make them show you, then contact their Directorate of Emergency Services, contact info here. (http://www.stewart.army.mil/IMA/sites/directorates/DPS/default.asp) That took me about 2 minutes; military bases' public-facing websites are 'on' the internet. Army bases are usually found thusly:
www dot bragg/stewart/sill/whatever dot army dot mil

(Most Army bases no longer use the term "Provost Marshal"; it's usually embedded in the Operations directorate under Security or under "Protective" or "Emergency Services.")

Most Army base regulations on weapons and/or vehicle registration are going to have a number that looks like 190-2, e.g., Ft Stewart Reg 190-2. This typically covers vehicle & weapons registration. The important thing to note is that regs regarding weapons registration usually only pertain to people over whom the base has control - Soldiers, whether they live on-post or in official base housing. Seldom do they even apply directly to civilian employees on the base. Your basic traveller or visitor is governed by some piece of Title 18 somewhere that is basically the same law that keeps you from carrying firearms on a VA facility, or into most Federal facilities. By all means get the reg & read it for yourself, but it's not likely to answer your question as specifically as you like. Remember that a reserve or active military base (excepting a state's National Guard property) is not state property.

MOST bases take no special pains to address transport of weapons by the citizen who's traversing the property on a public highway and has it unloaded, cased, out of sight in their vehicle IAW baseline Fed critieria. Vehicle searches are not routine, but know that by entering a military base you give implied consent to be searched at any time and under the current threat environment I repeat - you could be searched at any time, based on criteria you'll know nothing about at the particular base you're visiting.

Each base commander gets to play his own game based on the importance of his base, the mission, and the threat to it. Regardless of what their Community Affairs folks might say, their primary immediate concern is not the enabling of your civil liberties. It's a Force Protection issue, not a democracy. I'm sure you know this but others seeing this thread may not appreciate it.

If you get a "No, not here", secure the weapon appropriately and go on about your business. Keep pushing and you'll find the local MP's/DoD officers will know you well because there will already be a blotter entry based on your persistence to not accept their standard and correct answer. Just like the bar owner who reserves the right to refuse service to anyone, they don't need to tell you why you aren't allowed on base anymore. (although they might)
Happy trails!

:patriot:

[Saltcreek]

Do you gentlemen that are saying no have any personal experience on this issue?

I have called the Provost Marshal on Army; Air Force and Marine Corps bases here in CA and have received permission to carry on base while visiting. Some have been day trips; one was for staying 4 days at the on base RV camping area.
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I would love to know what Marine Base in California allows CCW. None of the ones I was ever stationed at did. Yes some have hunting during season, but the question was about CCW and that is a different animal.

And when the Provost Marshal says NO, that is all I need if I'm in the military. He is usually an Officer while I'm a Staff Sgt. That's called orders aand I am not in the habit of telling officers that I have to see it in writing first. It may be Kalifornia but it's also a MILITARY base and "rights" are limited.

[jmsfmtex]

The Air Force Police at Randolph AFB San Antonio, TX told me it was the Commanders discretion as to whether or not you could bring a firearm on base. Each base could be a little different depending upon hunting or target ranges for civilian usage. She also said "Why would anyone want to carry a gun". I let that one go.

[kensteele]

haha to think some believe all military soldiers should be automatically issued a nationwide ccw but their own military won't even let them have a firearm on post in their own home.

[Powermwt]

I would love to know what Marine Base in California allows CCW. None of the ones I was ever stationed at did. Yes some have hunting during season, but the question was about CCW and that is a different animal.

And when the Provost Marshal says NO, that is all I need if I'm in the military. He is usually an Officer while I'm a Staff Sgt. That's called orders aand I am not in the habit of telling officers that I have to see it in writing first. It may be Kalifornia but it's also a MILITARY base and "rights" are limited.

The largest Marine Corps Base in USA. I was down visiting my son before deployment and have a CA CCW. All I'm saying is only what some here have said already, each base is different and the call is at the Base Commanders discretion. You don't know the answer until you ask the question.

[Jim]

How much hassle is it to check a gun when you come on the base? I know this will vary somewhat from one base to another, but a general idea would be helpful.

[rvrctyrngr]

How much hassle is it to check a gun when you come on the base? I know this will vary somewhat from one base to another, but a general idea would be helpful.

I can only speak from my own experience at the numerous Navy bases I traveled to or at which I was stationed. The basic procedure was this:

1. In the car at the security office (prior to crossing through The Gate), unload, lock slide back, place into pistol rug. If you handed them a weapon that was not open, they'd have to take it somewhre to 'clear' it before checking in (takes time).

2. Enter Security office and ask to check a personal weapon.
3. Fill out whatever form was required (basic weapon/where are you going info).
4. Hand weapon/ammo to the nice MA.
5. Take your copy of the form and leave.

At the end of the day, perform in reverse.

I realize that not all military installations have the facilities to accommodate you as listed above. Call the base you plan on visiting and find out what they will/will not do (Provost Marshal, Base Security, etc...).

[93GT]

I kept personal weapons in base housing on NSB Bangor, which is a stategic weapons facility. We just had to register them with base security and not have them loaded when on base or entering the gate. It wasn't a big deal, I had 5 or 6 guns and ammunition in my POV or in the house at any given time.

[AdminJarhead]

Well, for Ft. Knox I just go to the web site and look up the post regulations. There are probably bigger ones in the CFR or even the US Code, but post regs and policies are plenty. You could also just ask the guys at the gate or the MP's.

You're on Knox? Me too, sucks doesn't it?

[MSPG23]

I crossed the same road as the OP I workout in the gym on base with a friend that is a gov. employee I asked security at the gate and the man told me if its concealed how will anyone ever know he said its not against the rules there just not preferred

[Skintop911]

Thank you for some of your guy's advice. I swear only about 20% of the people on this **** forum actually READ what other people post! F.Y.I. I have talked to the MP and Provost Marshall desk here at Ft. Stewart, and all I've gotten so far is what half of you guys are telling me here, "No." I then kindly ask them AGAIN not for a "Yes" or "No" but WHERE does it say NO. The NO has been universal, the alledged sources have been different based on who I was asking. I'm getting sick and tired of following a policy that I've never seen.

For anyone else that wants to tell me that I can't carry on-base, I ALREADY KNOW THAT! I just want to see this crap for myself! Superstang, that link was very helpful, but I can't find a Provost Marshal link at stewart.army.mil, I'm on staff duty right now, on my 23rd hour, so I can barely think straight, much less look through the pile of dis-organized hooey, so I'll try again later today after some sleep.

Asking questions like "from where is the authority to ............. derived" can produce useful information, ulcers, or hours of amusement. Bring popcorn.

For further amusement in your thread, differentiate secured and unsecured lands and properties, issues of exclusive, proprietary, and concurrent jurisdictions, and further rules and regs promulgated at the local level.

[Bren]

You're on Knox? Me too, sucks doesn't it?

I'm USAR, so I only come there about once a month and I just finished spending a couple of months there.

I always skip the problems by leaving my guns at home, but it's kind of nice to be on one of the few posts in the U.S. military that sells guns in the PX.

[Gunnut 45/454]

Powermwt
Yes I have personal experience! I was stopped for random vehicle inspection. Asked to open all compartments (Wifes car). Before I did I informed the Guard that I had a weapon in the front console-unloaded and action open! Eye's got wide then, he was on the radio to dispatch. I informed him that I had CCW and that the weapon was stored IAW with the Law! Had to wait until the LT showed up he checked my CCW and then told me to put the weapon in the trunk! I wasn't go to be a dick about so I did! The Lt. had to call Command before I was allowed on base and they confirmed it's was legal!

[dhoomonyou]

Does this apply to Kennedy Space center also?

[Gunnut 45/454]

dhoomonyou
Apllies to any Federal Property!

[dhoomonyou]

dhoomonyou
Apllies to any Federal Property!

thanks, i thought so.

So, if i go as a tourist i should lock it in pieces in the trunk?

think that would be ok?

[Javelin]

Thank you for some of your guy's advice. I swear only about 20% of the people on this **** forum actually READ what other people post! F.Y.I. I have talked to the MP and Provost Marshall desk here at Ft. Stewart, and all I've gotten so far is what half of you guys are telling me here, "No." I then kindly ask them AGAIN not for a "Yes" or "No" but WHERE does it say NO. The NO has been universal, the alledged sources have been different based on who I was asking. I'm getting sick and tired of following a policy that I've never seen.

For anyone else that wants to tell me that I can't carry on-base, I ALREADY KNOW THAT! I just want to see this crap for myself! Superstang, that link was very helpful, but I can't find a Provost Marshal link at stewart.army.mil, I'm on staff duty right now, on my 23rd hour, so I can barely think straight, much less look through the pile of dis-organized hooey, so I'll try again later today after some sleep.


Don't believe all what you read on the internet my friend. A military post is very much Federal property and a civilian issued CCW means nothing except another state issued photo ID. :dunno:

Ask your 1SG about it. I am sure he will pull up some post reg. Though when you were issued your CCW from Georgia I am sure they went over with you about carrying in a Federal Building or Federal property. Same rules apply my friend. Sorry.

[Skintop911]

"Federal property" is a rather nebulous term. Terminology matters here. Military installations manifest their own legal peculiarities, apart from more conventional concepts of "federal property", and inclusion in same muddys water.

Identifying the pertinent federal law(s) pertaining to the matter, including definition(s), and the weapons prohibitions thereon, help with clarity. Distinguishing law from policy helps, too.

(There are several classes of "federal property" which have no such weapons prohibitions.)

[XPLSV]

Checking one of the local bases, I was surprised to find a line in the Peterson AFB Info for Newcomers that stated civilian CCW permits are not authorized without the expressed written permission of the 21st Space Wing Commander. The surprising part being that a caveat exists up front to allow approval for CCW on the base. Now, I don't know how many approvals are actually granted each year...but it is interesting to me that there is a possibility to properly carry on the base...

[psychophipps]

Checking one of the local bases, I was surprised to find a line in the Peterson AFB Info for Newcomers that stated civilian CCW permits are not authorized without the expressed written permission of the 21st Space Wing Commander. The surprising part being that a caveat exists up front to allow approval for CCW on the base. Now, I don't know how many approvals are actually granted each year...but it is interesting to me that there is a possibility to properly carry on the base...

Well, there are quite a few retired military who CCW so it's not quite as "out there" as you might think. Of course, I seriously doubt that they give all that many "go ahead" answers judging by how many military personnel act in abject horror at the thought of a civilian having the gun without "proper training".

[Dave Morris]

The specific authority prohibiting firearms (with exceptions) for Ft. Stewart/Hunter Army Airfield is located at Title 32, Code of Federal Regulations, section 552.101(a)(5).

State concealed carry permits by themselves mean nothing on federal property, including military installations.

Hope this helps.

[VanguardMP]

All,

WEG19 basically hit the nail on the head as well as a few others. It is the installation commander's discretion for CCW on any installation. AR 190-11 covers most firearms related issues, but the installation commander is the one who dictates. I know this because I have worked in the Provost Marshal's office/DES. As a matter of fact my old boss, who currently works in a DES, was working to get permission for certain civilian employees to be allowed to CCW do to their jobs. The installation commander was the approval authority for this.

VMP

[digitspaw]

(There are several classes of "federal property" which have no such weapons prohibitions.)


Don't a lot of people shoot on BLM property? :headscratch:

[FL2NV]

Does anyone find it sad that some of the most gun trained people in our country are not allowed to carry in their own home (if they live there)? And also that these same men and women who die for our rights are denied them? I would say the same thing about drinking, but that is not in the constitution.

[VanguardMP]

Yep, it's kind of ironic that the ones practicing the profession of arms isn't allowed to CCW on a military installation. A lot of it pertains to senior commanders and officials not having confidence in their folks responsibility to carry. Some commandes are gun folks and some aren't which is the normal problem. They think safety is limiting those who carry when crime can be just as bad on the installation as off.

VMP

[stanggt9050]

I served 24 years in the Navy and EVERY base I was stationed at or did a port visit to had a sign at the entry gates that read no firearms permitted. I might also add that these bases were homeports to Nuclear Submarines and possibly Nuclear weapons:whistling:

Now I am retired and the Navy airbase and surface ship base by me also have these signs posted.

It is ironic to me too that the very people entrusted to defend this great counrty can not CCW on their own bases...but it is the law/rules and I will obey them no matter how much of a PITA it might be.

[Surt]

I did inquire at provost marshal about 3 weeks ago about getting my GA CCW permit to apply onbase, and the lady right away gave me directions to a building on base to do the paperwork. Needless to say I dropped what I was doing, handed staff duty over to the runner, and sped off to said building. IT WAS MWR PASS & PERMIT! The rent-a-cop at the Provost Marshal desk must have had no idea that the Concealed Carry Permit is something entirely different from a fishing permit. And the hunt goes on...

[stolivar]

Call the number listed below and they will give you the info you need. all weapons have to be registered. If you are in the barracks and under E5 you will have to stow your weapons in the armory.

YOU CAN NOT CARRY CCW ON POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fort Stewart Vehicle and Weapon Registration
Soldiers' Service Center, Bldg 253, upstairs in room 2064A
Hours: Monday through Friday
7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Phone: (912) 767-5195 or 767-8484 (DSN 870)

You must present the following items to register your vehicle:
- Certificate of registration
- Valid driver’s license
- Military ID card/civilian ID card or statement of employment from contractor
- Proof of insurance, MDDC or MSF card for motorcycles
- Valid safety inspection (if required by licensing state)

Printable Vehicle Registration Form Open the form in the Adobe reader, fill it out, print it out and then bring it to Bldg 253 at Fort Stewart or Bldg 1240 at Hunter. (The registration form is in .pdf format and requires the use of proprietary software which can obtained from this web site:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html).

Weapon Registration
If you own a weapon you must register in accordance with Fort Stewart Regulation 190-2. Weapon registration is required just like vehicle registration on Fort Stewart and is recorded in the same COPS database. The owner of a weapon must submit a completed and signed AFZP Form 2027 at Building 419 at the same counter during the same hours as a vehicle registrant. PLEASE DO NOT BRING THE WEAPON into the registration office. A blank AFZP Form 2027 may be obtained at the registration office beginning 1 Mar 2006.


steve

[deadday]

Here, I'll make it easy for you...Go to the Post Commander's office. Talk to his/her aide. Either request a meeting with (I'm sure he/she has an open door policy, use it) him/her, or fill out the contact form, and ask the question. It's that simple. The order for you not to carry on post came from him/her, and they will tell you where it is written down, and will probably even give you a copy of it. Quit dicken around posting, asking people who don't know or care, ask the man/woman that wrote the damned order. I've got a copy of the order written by MG Czrew here at Ft Sam/BAMC.




drew

[wrenrj1]

I'm retired ARNG, and always was aware to not have a firearm on an active duty post just to be safe. IMHO I think it's obvious that you would not want to have soldiers in uniform carrying concealed weapons on military posts UNLESS it's part of their job duties in law enforcement.

I would hazard a guess that you will not find a post or a post commander that will accept a state CCW permit holder to carry on post on or off duty. Just my .02

[stolivar]

http://www.stewart.army.mil/dpw/wildlife/default.htm


steve

[wrenrj1]

Additionally, if you cannot find the info. on this information, submit this question to your chain of command.

[usncorpsman]

I'm a Navy Chief stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Cherry Point, NC. No CCW is permitted period. Firearms are allowed but must be registered at the pass and ID center. Staff NCO's (E-6) and above can even keep them in their rooms. Why even risk it. I was stationed at the nuke sub base in Kings Bay GA. and remember a civilian working for MWR who had a cartridge in his delivery vehicle. He was searched while trying to get into the limited area to fill up the gedunk machines. Lets just say he had a very bad day with the young Marines guarding the nukes and he did not even have a weapon to fire his cartridge.:supergrin:

[stolivar]

He asked his 1st Sgt. He said no CCW period. You can hunt and fish on the post but must have the pass as indicated in my previous post. You can shoot at the Range also.

All the information you need is on the previous messages posted by me above this one. Call that number and they can give you the info you need.

As I said you can not have them in your barracks if you are enlisted period. Only in the armory, and then your commander has to give you permission to get them out.

Basically this is no differant then when I was in the Army. I kept my weapons off post.


steve

[USAF3E]

Don't a lot of people shoot on BLM property? :headscratch:

USC18 actually refers to a federal facility and it also defines a "federal facility" as a 'building where federal employees are present to perform their official duties.' Absent of another specific CFR or USC, property, such as USFS land or BLM land, is fine.

18USC930 Link (http://law.justia.com/us/codes/title18/18usc930.html)