VA - SC Reciprocity - Almost Real

[RussP]

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From: Philip Van Cleave [mailto:philip@virginiasystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:26 PM
To: RussP
Subject: VA-ALERT: Wah-hoo! SC changes reciprocity laws!!!
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The Governor of South Carolina has just signed a bill that will open <o:p></o:p>
up reciprocity to any state that honors South Carolina!<o:p></o:p>
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The law becomes effective IMMEDIATELY and is now in force.<o:p></o:p>
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Virginia ALREADY honors South Carolina, so formal reciprocity should <o:p></o:p>
be a slam-dunk!!!<o:p></o:p>
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HOWEVER, it is not in affect yet. So **DO NOT carry concealed** in <o:p></o:p>
South Carolina until I put the word out (Virginia and South Carolina <o:p></o:p>
have to sign a reciprocity agreement first).<o:p></o:p>
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I have left a voice message with Tom Lambert who does reciprocity work <o:p></o:p>
for the Virginia State Police. Hopefully the State Police will jump <o:p></o:p>
on this quickly.<o:p></o:p>
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As soon as we can begin carrying, there will be an alert going out to <o:p></o:p>
let you know.<o:p></o:p>
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Many thanks to Jim Mullins, my counterpart in the West Virginia <o:p></o:p>
Citizens Defense League (wvcdl.org), for staying on top of this and <o:p></o:p>
letting me know the new law was coming.<o:p></o:p>
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And of course, a big thanks to the gun organizations in South Carolina <o:p></o:p>
for continuing to fight for this law tirelessly over the years!<o:p></o:p>

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[RussP]

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave [mailto:philip@virginiasystems.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 4:20 PM
To: RussP
Subject: VA-ALERT: List of reciprocal states 6/17/08
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I have been overwhelmed with emails requesting to know the states that <o:p></o:p>
currently honor Virginia Concealed Handgun permits.<o:p></o:p>
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Here is the list of states that honor our permits (but not necessarily <o:p></o:p>
the other way around):<o:p></o:p>
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Alaska<o:p></o:p>
Arizona<o:p></o:p>
Arkansas<o:p></o:p>
Florida<o:p></o:p>
Kentucky<o:p></o:p>
Louisiana<o:p></o:p>
Michigan<o:p></o:p>
Missouri<o:p></o:p>
Montana<o:p></o:p>
New Mexico<o:p></o:p>
North Carolina<o:p></o:p>
Ohio<o:p></o:p>
Oklahoma<o:p></o:p>
Pennsylvania<o:p></o:p>
Tennessee<o:p></o:p>
Texas<o:p></o:p>
Utah<o:p></o:p>
Vermont (no permit required)<o:p></o:p>
West Virginia<o:p></o:p>
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IMPORTANT NOTES ON THE NEW SOUTH CAROLINA RECIPROCITY LAW<o:p></o:p>
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The South Carolina law requires training to be mandatory for the <o:p></o:p>
reciprocal state (which it is in Virginia, but will cut out a lot of <o:p></o:p>
other states that don't require training).<o:p></o:p>
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However, it is not clear about the type, or the amount, of training <o:p></o:p>
required and Tom Glaab tells me that GrassRoots South Carolina has <o:p></o:p>
some issues with the final law as passed because of that.<o:p></o:p>
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Tom fears that SLED (which is the government agency that does <o:p></o:p>
reciprocity for South Carolina) might interpret the law so narrowly as <o:p></o:p>
to exclude most states, perhaps including Virginia. SLED has been a <o:p></o:p>
roadblock in states getting reciprocity with South Carolina for <o:p></o:p>
years. :-(<o:p></o:p>
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We will just have to watch and see what happens over the next few weeks.<o:p></o:p>
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Here is a link to the bill and its status:<o:p></o:p>
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http://tinyurl.com/5vf8gy<o:p></o:p>

[harlenm]

What about Flordia-South Carolina. That's more important as SC is the only state in the south that doesn't accept a FL permit.

[Yellowfin]

Goody! I have my PA permit so all is well. :)

[AB1136]

What about Flordia-South Carolina. That's more important as SC is the only state in the south that doesn't accept a FL permit.

Florida does not require a class in firearms safety, so don't count on any type of agreement. I expect this bill to do little for South Carolina reciprocity because SLED still has the "say" in determining who meets the new, vague reciprocity laws. Even if the new law does add some reciprocity, I would expect it to take months-to-years for SC and other states to talk things through and sort out reciprocity.

[NateIU10]

Good to hear for you guys, but it wouldn't accept ours :crying:

Also, weird to see the list the man sent about who honors VA didn't list IN, since we honor any state. :wavey:

[harlenm]

Florida does not require a class in firearms safety, so don't count on any type of agreement. I expect this bill to do little for South Carolina reciprocity because SLED still has the "say" in determining who meets the new, vague reciprocity laws. Even if the new law does add some reciprocity, I would expect it to take months-to-years for SC and other states to talk things through and sort out reciprocity.

Well, atleast I can bring one with me and keep it in my glovebox. Better than nothing, I guess.

[rvrctyrngr]

Florida does not require a class in firearms safety, so don't count on any type of agreement.

Ummmm....Florida absolutely requires training. Granted, the requirements are pretty light (all things being relative), but we do require training.

SC reciprocity would be nice, but I've gotten pretty used to just zorching through the state without stopping. I'll spend my $$ in GA and NC.

[RussP]

Good to hear for you guys, but it wouldn't accept ours :crying:

Also, weird to see the list the man sent about who honors VA didn't list IN, since we honor any state. :wavey:
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave [mailto:philip@virginiasystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:12 AM
To: RussP
Subject: VA-ALERT: Updated reciprocity list
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The list of reciprocal states put out in the last alert was culled off <o:p></o:p>
the Virginia State Police web site. However, it turns out that their <o:p></o:p>
list is incomplete. It does not show South Dakota, Idaho, or Indiana!<o:p></o:p>
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Here is the corrected list of states that honor Virginia CHPs:<o:p></o:p>
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Alaska<o:p></o:p>
Arizona<o:p></o:p>
Arkansas<o:p></o:p>
Florida<o:p></o:p>
Idaho<o:p></o:p>
Indiana<o:p></o:p>
Kentucky<o:p></o:p>
Louisiana<o:p></o:p>
Michigan<o:p></o:p>
Missouri<o:p></o:p>
Montana<o:p></o:p>
New Mexico<o:p></o:p>
North Carolina<o:p></o:p>
Ohio<o:p></o:p>
Oklahoma<o:p></o:p>
Pennsylvania<o:p></o:p>
South Dakota<o:p></o:p>
Tennessee<o:p></o:p>
Texas<o:p></o:p>
Utah<o:p></o:p>
Vermont (no permit required)<o:p></o:p>
West Virginia<o:p></o:p>
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Also Rich Cao wanted me to mention that a non-resident New Hampshire <o:p></o:p>
CHP is cheap and easy to get if you have a Virginia CHP and covers <o:p></o:p>
states in the South that are not covered by your Virginia CHP <o:p></o:p>
(Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi).<o:p></o:p>
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Here is a link to get a NH CHP application:<o:p></o:p>
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http://tinyurl.com/32htna<o:p></o:p>

[C4talyst]

So the law is effective immediately but not in effect yet...confusing. Either way, this is great news, I travel to Charleston a lot and have always wanted to see VA-SC reciprocity. Woo hoo!