Your not robbing this Bank

[hotvet67]

Michigan ccw permit holder stops bank robber , must be ok now to carry in the bank , thought it was a no no safe zone not sure ?

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080616/METRO01/806160441/1361

[brahmabull8413]

Banks aren't on the list of pistol free zone's.

[GLOCK_27]

good thing that guy didnt really have a bomb. And banks are not goverment buildings, so unless posted, i think its cool, but you should check your local laws.

[Big Al 24]

That guy's got big brass ones.

[EdMan63]

Wow, that's not far from me. I'm sure that robber is thinking "Damn, wrong bank this time".

[kensteele]

wow, good for him. doesn't say if the gun owner is ccw or not.

when everything turns out good, the guy could be a hero.

if the bomb blows and you have 1 dead bomber, 1 dead customer, and 1 dead teller, looks a bit different.

again, i'm glad it turned out ok (maybe there's more to the story) but it appears to me the long-time customer was playing leo (as in i'm the bank's security). i'm surprised he didn't say "you're not robbing MY bank...." :)

[kensteele]

....I'm sure that robber is thinking "Damn, wrong bank this time".

also supports the assertion that the fact that an armed civilian might have a concealed weapon doesn't change some criminal's mind. honestly i don't believe ccw is a deterrent to most criminals (this time he figured his "fake" bomb was bigger than anyone's gun).

[Unt]

Too bad he didn't pull the trigger. If someone told you that he had a bomb, would you try to subdue him or eliminate the threat?

[Gunnut 45/454]

kensteele
No think about it he wants money not to die! So the chances of him blowing himself up just about zero! Now if it was one of our resident Muslims that would have changed to 100 % chance he really has a bomb and would use it! Then of course it would have turn to an instant shoot him situation! :)

[RussP]

http://images.clickability.com/partners/162731/mainLogo.gif (http://www.detnews.com/)
Monday, June 16, 2008
Canton bank customer stops suspected would-be robber, holds him until police arrive

Oralandar Brand-Williams and Mark Hicks / The Detroit News

CANTON TOWNSHIP -- A longtime customer brazenly stood up to a suspected would-be bank robber at a Comerica bank on Monday and detained the man until police showed up.

At about 9 a.m., police said a 54-year-old Washtenaw County man walked into a Comerica branch in the 45400 block of Michigan Avenue and handed the teller a handwritten note demanding money.

It also indicated he was strapped with a bomb, police said in a release.

When the suspect demanded "bands of 50s and 100s," police said, the clerk hit the bank's silent alarm and began placing money in a bag.

A teller at an adjacent counter noticed the incident and alerted the longtime customer.

Police said the customer then pulled out a gun, pointed it at the suspect and told him, "You are not robbing this bank."

"But I have a bomb," the suspect said, according to police.

The customer replied: "I don't care. You are not robbing this bank!"

The customer, who has not been named, then led the suspect to a chair, sat him down and held him at gunpoint until police came.

"A good Samaritan saw what was happening," said Sandra Berchtold, a media coordinator for the FBI Detroit division, which assisted Monday. "Through his assistance, (the suspect) was detained."

For security reasons, Comerica officials could not release information on the incident, spokeswoman Sara Snyder said.

The suspect, who has not yet been identified, is expected to be arraigned Tuesday.

Find this article at:
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080616/METRO01/806160441

[PAGunner]

wow, good for him. doesn't say if the gun owner is ccw or not.

when everything turns out good, the guy could be a hero.

if the bomb blows and you have 1 dead bomber, 1 dead customer, and 1 dead teller, looks a bit different.

again, i'm glad it turned out ok (maybe there's more to the story) but it appears to me the long-time customer was playing leo (as in i'm the bank's security). i'm surprised he didn't say "you're not robbing MY bank...." :)

Come one Ken, just because some tool says he has a bomb, doesn't mean he had one. I would have done the same thing, I'm just playing the odds, there has to be at least a 95% chance the person is full of crap stating they have a bomb and even if they did have a bomb, make that 95% chance he isn't gonna use it, I think you have a better chance getting hit by a car than having this moron actually blow up a bomb.

[PAGunner]

Too bad he didn't pull the trigger. If someone told you that he had a bomb, would you try to subdue him or eliminate the threat?

I'd say you are well within your legal right just about anywhere, pretty easy to justify an iminent threat, regardless of what you believe in your head.

[GLOCK_27]

Come one Ken, just because some tool says he has a bomb, doesn't mean he had one. I would have done the same thing, I'm just playing the odds, there has to be at least a 95% chance the person is full of crap stating they have a bomb and even if they did have a bomb, make that 95% chance he isn't gonna use it, I think you have a better chance getting hit by a car than having this moron actually blow up a bomb.

i remember a while back someone guy robbed a bank and said he had a bomb. the cops didn't believe him, and he blew up in the middle of the parking lot.

[Berto]

i remember a while back someone guy robbed a bank and said he had a bomb. the cops didn't believe him, and he blew up in the middle of the parking lot.

How sad. :)

[steveksux]

Michigan ccw permit holder stops bank robber , must be ok now to carry in the bank , thought it was a no no safe zone not sure ?

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080616/METRO01/806160441/1361
I think banks might have been on the original no pistol zones when CCW first became shall issue, and was removed when the law was revised later.

Randy

[Nessy]

I don't see why the customer didn't shoot the perpetrator. The guy claimed he has a bomb, so that's imminent danger right there, and if it's a pushbutton ...

Of course, if it turns out the perp is a naughty birthdaygram, a shoot might have rather dire consequences ...

[GLOCK_27]

How sad. :)

yup. he said he was being forced, but turns out he was in on it. I think it would have been a tad bit better to make that guy wait in the vault and shut it rather than sit in a chair near me

[Berto]

Yeah, that was the neck bomb guy.:crying:

[huntpro13]

I dunno guys. The bank's insured. We've had like 6 or seven bank robberies in the last year in Maine, and every time, the cops get the idiots. That may be a reflection of our population's average IQ, or not. (Please hold the hick jokes).

I think the likelihood of a bomb was remote, and it's not like he was waiving a gun around. Let him take the money and his chances. If they don't catch him, the 2-3k he gets will only buoy his bravado and either he has a few and spills the beans at the local watering hole or tries it 10 miles away the next day, gets caught... I like my bank, and the people that work there, but if he gets what he wants, money, presumably he walks. Certainly one would prepare mentally to act, quick assessment, etc., but unless he does more than pass a note... what's that I keep hearing here? "Be a good witness".

I dunno, I'm certainly no authority on threat assessment. But, as was alluded to, I'm not cop either.

My 2¢

[Norman]

I can never get comfortable with the "be a good witness" line.

My mother worked at a bank when armed men came in and took everyone hostage. You don't understand the tremendous trauma she dealt with of not being able to sleep for weeks after having a gun on the back of her head, as she's forced to face a wall, during an armed bank robbery. She thought her life would end at any split second. She was sure she'd be killed and she says the faces of her children flashed before her eyes. She thought of me during those seconds that seemed like hours.

My own mother. This close to being killed by thug bank robbers. I can't imagine what that would have done to me. I know what it did to me emotionally even though she wasn't physically hurt. And I know what it did to her for a long time.

Now ask me again what I'd do if I'm armed and someone thinks they're going to threaten people's lives, people's well being, the glue of a family - in a bank or wherever. With all due respect - F that. I'm all in.

[d3athp3nguin]

Hindsight is 20/20, but to me it makes perfect sense that the man called the robber's bluff in this case. That said, I don't know if it would take more cojones to hold the guy at gunpoint for that long under the assumption he could self-detonate any time, or to just shoot him outright.

Most criminals that demand money are doing it out of self-interest. Blowing yourself up to further a cause or get your family money makes some sense if you're raised to be a martyr, but how do you rationalize "gimme the cash or I'll blow myself up?"

[G30MI]

Michigan ccw permit holder stops bank robber
Where did the article say he had a CPL?

[Turbodreams]

I laughed at the "But I have a bomb" line

I can never get comfortable with the "be a good witness" line.

My mother worked at a bank when armed men came in and took everyone hostage. You don't understand the tremendous trauma she dealt with of not being able to sleep for weeks after having a gun on the back of her head, as she's forced to face a wall, during an armed bank robbery. She thought her life would end at any split second. She was sure she'd be killed and she says the faces of her children flashed before her eyes. She thought of me during those seconds that seemed like hours.

My own mother. This close to being killed by thug bank robbers. I can't imagine what that would have done to me. I know what it did to me emotionally even though she wasn't physically hurt. And I know what it did to her for a long time.

Now ask me again what I'd do if I'm armed and someone thinks they're going to threaten people's lives, people's well being, the glue of a family - in a bank or wherever. With all due respect - F that. I'm all in.Its on cuz? :supergrin:

[PAGunner]

i remember a while back someone guy robbed a bank and said he had a bomb. the cops didn't believe him, and he blew up in the middle of the parking lot.

Your talking about the pizza bomber in Erie, PA correct? I know all about that situation, it is the exception rather than the rule. I didn't say it couldn't happen, rather, much more often than not a moron will claim to have a bomb and not have one and if they do have a bomb, more than likely they willl not have the courage to blow it up.

Pizza bomber guy, was kidnapped at gunpoint delivering pizza and a bomb was placed around his neck, he was then forced to rob a bank, because he was caught, he was blown up, no witnesses.

[Norman]

Its on cuz? :supergrin:

Yea. Pretty much. :supergrin:

[Bren]

also supports the assertion that the fact that an armed civilian might have a concealed weapon doesn't change some criminal's mind.
Actually, I'm not sure who's making that assertion, but I seem to recall that the research done with prisoners says that it does make a difference to them. your claim that this "supports the assertion..." would only make sense if we assumed that concealed carry would instantly stop all crime. This guy was robbing a bank, where they typically give money without resistance.

[Bren]

wow, good for him. doesn't say if the gun owner is ccw or not.

when everything turns out good, the guy could be a hero.

if the bomb blows and you have 1 dead bomber, 1 dead customer, and 1 dead teller, looks a bit different.


I agree - shooting him in the head is really the only right answer if he might have a bomb. The guy lucked out, but then again, had we been there, it might have been pretty easy to tell the guy didn't have a bomb - robbing banks is generally so easy they don't make a big effort.

[longgonedays]

I totally foiled a robber in a bank once too. He had a gun and I had a bomb strapped to me though.

[mnglocker]

Here's the VIDEO on the story: http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=deb8d417-008a-4e73-8386-1237c14d1376

[lance22]

The dude is a hero and sure doesn't need to be dissed by the one community which above all should understand and support him.

The person at the situation has to read the face and body language and his gut feel to figure out how to play it. Obviously, the permit holder's call was right on the money. And, I believe the permit holder was smart enough that if the perp had that crazy, suicidal 'man on a mission' look he would have played it quite differently.

+1 to the permit holder

[marley]

I just saw this guy on fox news.. sounds good to me... good story..

[Gunnut 45/454]

huntpro13
Or if they are armed with guns and then they start taking wallets maybe your wife/gf for a ride to get to know her better! Yea it's fine just let them get away with it no problem!! You need to grow a pair pal!!:steamed:

[kensteele]

Hindsight is 20/20, but to me it makes perfect sense that the man called the robber's bluff in this case. That said, I don't know if it would take more cojones to hold the guy at gunpoint for that long under the assumption he could self-detonate any time, or to just shoot him outright.

Most criminals that demand money are doing it out of self-interest. Blowing yourself up to further a cause or get your family money makes some sense if you're raised to be a martyr, but how do you rationalize "gimme the cash or I'll blow myself up?"

so i guess we as ccw know this but the bank doesn't know this. maybe the bank should rewrite their procedures to say if a man comes in with a bomb, he ain't gonna blow the place up....don't give him the money.

[kensteele]

The dude is a hero and sure doesn't need to be dissed by the one community which above all should understand and support him.

The person at the situation has to read the face and body language and his gut feel to figure out how to play it. Obviously, the permit holder's call was right on the money. And, I believe the permit holder was smart enough that if the perp had that crazy, suicidal 'man on a mission' look he would have played it quite differently.

+1 to the permit holder

wow, you're talking about this guy as if he were leo or a security guard. but i guess ccw has extraordinary powers.

[Riz58]

Two points re shoot/no shoot:

The BG said he had a bomb stapped to his body. The GG had full visual, and said he also "searched" the guy.

The GG was in the Lebanese Army for 6 years, he may have had training on recognizing and dealing with suicide bombers.

The guy was there, had eyes on, assessed his opponent quickly, and made the right decision. Give the guy his due. May we all have his courage.

[kensteele]

Come one Ken, just because some tool says he has a bomb, doesn't mean he had one. I would have done the same thing, I'm just playing the odds, there has to be at least a 95% chance the person is full of crap stating they have a bomb and even if they did have a bomb, make that 95% chance he isn't gonna use it, I think you have a better chance getting hit by a car than having this moron actually blow up a bomb.

[pre-video comments] ;)

again like i said, it took a lot of guts and the gun owner came out ok on this one.

if you don't think he will blow up the place, why not ignore him and just call the police? i gotta believe there's an element of leo going on here hence the apprehension.

good thing no one was hurt. if someone comes in and says they have a bomb and you know they won't hurt anyone, i think you increase the chances of someone getting hurt by pulling a gun.

i've already said, my gun does not come out unless i am absolutely positive someone is about to die immediately or grave bodily harm is imminent and drawing my gun is the only way to possibly prevent it. i don't draw my weapon to stop people from taking money, i don't draw my weapon to detain felons. leo does that.

[kensteele]

Two points re shoot/no shoot:

The BG said he had a bomb stapped to his body. The GG had full visual, and said he also "searched" the guy.

The GG was in the Lebanese Army for 6 years, he may have had training on recognizing and dealing with suicide bombers.

The guy was there, had eyes on, assessed his opponet quickly, and made the right decision. Give the guy his due. May we all have his courage.

haha, yeah i just watched the video a second ago. nice, not bad lol. ok, well don't try this at home. :)

[C4talyst]

Note that the CCW holder also falsely identified himself as a police officer for fear the suspect would not heed his commands:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/index.html

(listed under Top Video on right of page)

[PhoneCop]

i've already said, my gun does not come out unless i am absolutely positive someone is about to die immediately or grave bodily harm is imminent and drawing my gun is the only way to possibly prevent it. i don't draw my weapon to stop people from taking money, i don't draw my weapon to detain felons. leo does that.

How long does it take to detonate a bomb? Pretty immediately...
How much risk are you in standing next to the guy who says he has a bomb and is threating to use it? Grave bodily harm or death...

Seems to me ya'd be justified in pulling your gat and smokin' the guy through his madula oblongata...

[kensteele]

How long does it take to detonate a bomb? Pretty immediately...
How much risk are you in standing next to the guy who says he has a bomb and is threating to use it? Grave bodily harm or death...

Seems to me ya'd be justified in pulling your gat and smokin' the guy through his madula oblongata...

i just watched the video so i understand it better. but yes, that is what i was thinking. if he really had a bomb and you said "you're not robbing this ba....BOOOOOM!" who's at fault (besides the criminal)?

so shoot immediately or keep it holstered. but it's all good, seeing and hearing the actors make the story what it is and makes sense. :)

[C4talyst]

[pre-video comments] ;)
i've already said, my gun does not come out unless i am absolutely positive someone is about to die immediately or grave bodily harm is imminent and drawing my gun is the only way to possibly prevent it. i don't draw my weapon to stop people from taking money, i don't draw my weapon to detain felons. leo does that.

If the guy standing next to me at the bank is robbing it...I'm in reasonable fear for my life, it's coming out (situation allowing).

[huntpro13]

huntpro13
Or if they are armed with guns and then they start taking wallets maybe your wife/gf for a ride to get to know her better! Yea it's fine just let them get away with it no problem!! You need to grow a pair pal!!:steamed:

Got a nice set right here. Tempered by the big melon atop my shoulders. I was stating an opinion. That's all.

[PhoneCop]

i just watched the video so i understand it better. but yes, that is what i was thinking. if he really had a bomb and you said "you're not robbing this ba....BOOOOOM!" who's at fault (besides the criminal)?

If ya did and he did, then it's only his fault.

[rvrctyrngr]

If ya did and he did, then it's only his fault.

Sometimes, I don't know why you bother, brother. I used to have your patience.

[PAGunner]

If ya did and he did, then it's only his fault.

Amen, I've never believed in appeasing criminals and terrorists.

[Tailhunter]

"Sometimes you have to do what you have to do and that's all" ..... works for me!

[hotvet67]

The guys a American hero , his words - sometimes you do what you have to do.

Did you look at the sllly white guy perp sex offender , he called his bluff.

He works or owns the Sunoco gas station that cashes checks , might be why he carries a gun.

He's having free hot dogs and 2.99 gas this weekend , all the girls at the bank think he is the man . Thats much better than shooting the Moran .

[emtp2rn]

Where did the article say he had a CPL?

http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2008/06/customer_foils_bank_robbery_at.html

Customer foils bank robbery attempt in Canton Township with his own handgun
Posted by Amalie Nash and Art Aisner | The Ann Arbor News June 18, 2008 11:02AM
Categories: Crime
It took a day of congratulatory calls from friends, customers and complete strangers before Nabil Fawzi realized the risk he took by pulling a gun on the would-be bank robber standing just feet away, claiming to have a bomb.

But the Ypsilanti Township gas station owner and father of three said he wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

"In my situation, I felt like I could do it, and I just did it because it felt like it was the right thing to do," said Fawzi, 39.


Joseph WebsterFawzi was the first customer at the Comerica Bank branch on Michigan Avenue in Canton Township at 9 a.m. Monday when police say would-be bank robber Joseph Webster, 53, of Ypsilanti walked in.
Webster allegedly handed a teller a note demanding money and claiming to have bomb strapped to his chest.

Fawzi, who frequently visits the branch on his daily commute from his home in Dearborn to his Sunoco station on Ecorse Road, noticed his own teller was acting strangely. When he asked what was wrong and she indicated a robbery was under way, Fawzi took action.

He said the robber at the adjacent teller station kept one hand behind his back at all times until the teller began doling out dollar bills. The robber demanded a stack of larger bills instead and moved both hands to the window to collect the cash.

Within seconds, Fawzi drew his handgun, racked a round in the chamber and told the man that he wasn't robbing the bank.
"But I have a bomb," the robber told Fawzi.

Contact reporter Art Aisner at aaisner@annarbornews.com
or 734-994-6823.

"I don't care," Fawzi replied. "You are not robbing this bank today." Fawzi said he searched Webster and found no bomb or any other weapons. Webster sat in a chair at gunpoint until police arrived.
Webster, 53, was arraigned on single counts of bank robbery, armed robbery and third offense habitual offender due to prior convictions for a sex offense and robbery. He was jailed on $100,000 bond, and a preliminary hearing is scheduled for June 27.

After the incident, Fawzi showed police his concealed weapons permit and was released.

Canton Police Detective Sgt. Rick Pomorski credited the customer for his quick actions - but noted that police prefer citizens to serve as witnesses instead of taking matters into their own hands in dangerous situations.

"We never condone that civilians take action when there's a propensity for violence and what could happen," Pomorski said. "We prefer they maintain their distance. That said, we're thankful for the way it turned out. He did a wonderful job securing the scene until we got there."

Fawzi, who is expecting his fourth child this fall, said he would probably would have acted differently if Webster had a gun, but he just did not believe the bomb threat. The Lebanese native said he was reacting on instincts he learned during five years of service in that country's army.

"When I saw his hands were empty I thought this was the right time to act, that if I could stop him, I would stop him."

If convicted, Webster faces up to 25 years in prison.

Fawzi said he and his business partner will celebrate by discounting gas by 5 cents and giving away hot dogs at the station located at 1024 Ecorse Road from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. Friday.

[emtp2rn]

Something my LEO buddies stress is ALWAYS WATCH THE HANDS. The hands can tell a lot about the guys intentions.

If the bg's hands go near the body it is go time.

i just watched the video so i understand it better. but yes, that is what i was thinking. if he really had a bomb and you said "you're not robbing this ba....BOOOOOM!" who's at fault (besides the criminal)?

so shoot immediately or keep it holstered. but it's all good, seeing and hearing the actors make the story what it is and makes sense. :)

[steveksux]

Who says newspapers are anti-ccw?

http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/NEWS02/806180420/1004/NEWS02A 53-year-old Washtenaw County man who handed a Comerica Bank branch teller a handwritten note saying he had a bomb strapped to his body as he demanded money was arraigned in circuit court on robbery charges Tuesday.


Joseph Webster was charged with one count of bank robbery, one count of armed robbery and a habitual third offense.

Webster was being held on a $100,000 bond. If convicted, Webster faces 25 years to life in prison.



Oh, wait, where's the mention of the guy with CCW stopping the robbery???

I wish I had saved it, at lunch today I saw an article (either from Chicago or Ann Arbor paper) that had a priceless line in it. Something to the effect that the "Police said the gun toting customer was not likely to face charges in the incident"....

Randy

[10 Ring Tao]

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/10RingTao/random/bombnotimpressive.jpg

[Gunnut 45/454]

huntpro13
Well if your such a "I want to be a victim" kind of guy- why do you own firearms? Doesn't that go against your way of thinking? I just can't understand folks that would willingly give into a criminal yet they want to carry a weapon? Isn't that like being a skydiver that jumps without a parachute!

[Renny]

wow, you're talking about this guy as if he were leo or a security guard. but i guess ccw has extraordinary powers.


No more than LEO or Security Guard.

No matter who you are, carrying a gun gives you no more "powers". Only more responsibilities.

I'll talk about this guy the way I see him: A Card Carrying "Good Guy" who KNEW the right thing to do, and then DID it.

I won't MMQB him.

Something I learned a long time ago when I moved to FL is that I may be a bit uncomfortable with some of the folks I know have CCW's, but there are probably a lot of folks who are uncomfortable with ME having one. So, the two options are Both or Neither.

And I came to the conclusion all by my lonesome (and by voting with my feet - remaining here) that I prefer the Both option to the Neither option.

Because I've NEVER been attacked or threatened by a CCW holder. I HAVE been attacked and threatened by criminals.

But back to the topic at hand: The CCW holder said "I saw his hands."

"They KILL YOU with their HANDS!" -- Drilled into every LEO rookie whose teachers are worth their salt.

This guy was right on, knew what to look for, and made the right decision.

Makes no nevermind whether he was a LEO, Security Guard, or just John Q. Public.

And that's my point. You don't have to be in an "official capacity" to do the right thing. You just have to do it right.

Period.

R

[PhoneCop]

No more than LEO or Security Guard.

No matter who you are, carrying a gun gives you no more "powers". Only more responsibilities.

I'll talk about this guy the way I see him: A Card Carrying "Good Guy" who KNEW the right thing to do, and then DID it.

I won't MMQB him.

Something I learned a long time ago when I moved to FL is that I may be a bit uncomfortable with some of the folks I know have CCW's, but there are probably a lot of folks who are uncomfortable with ME having one. So, the two options are Both or Neither.

And I came to the conclusion all by my lonesome (and by voting with my feet - remaining here) that I prefer the Both option to the Neither option.

Because I've NEVER been attacked or threatened by a CCW holder. I HAVE been attacked and threatened by criminals.

But back to the topic at hand: The CCW holder said "I saw his hands."

"They KILL YOU with their HANDS!" -- Drilled into every LEO rookie whose teachers are worth their salt.

This guy was right on, knew what to look for, and made the right decision.

Makes no nevermind whether he was a LEO, Security Guard, or just John Q. Public.

And that's my point. You don't have to be in an "official capacity" to do the right thing. You just have to do it right.

Period.

R

Good post Renny.

except carrying a gun does actually confer powers not present when not carrying a gun; I can inflict DF from 10 yards away where I can't when I am not carrying a gun. As posted, a lot of responsibility accompanies this power.

[PhoneCop]

Sometimes, I don't know why you bother, brother. I used to have your patience.

May God forbid I ever give up the good fight. :thumbsup:

[pjw315]

Michigan ccw permit holder stops bank robber , must be ok now to carry in the bank , thought it was a no no safe zone not sure ?

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080616/METRO01/806160441/1361

hotvet67,

Since you have a CCW yourself I would suggest that you familiarize yourself were you can and can’t carry in Michigan. A bank has not been off limits to CCW in Michigan for a while.

[rvrctyrngr]

May God forbid I ever give up the good fight. :thumbsup:

Keep up the good fight. :patriot:

[mark72005]

I applaud this guy for his courage. I think we all would have drawn, but if he looked at me and said "I have a bomb" in any convincing way - reading that article, I immediately thought 'fire'. Body language tells you something, what he looked like (how likely was it), and where his hands are tell you something else. If he was at all credible I probably would have fired.

I am not most impressed by the self defense incidents where someone fires. I'm most impressed by the ones where they need to draw but don't fire. THOSE are the ones that help our cause.

[mark72005]

I'll talk about this guy the way I see him: A Card Carrying "Good Guy" who KNEW the right thing to do, and then DID it.

I won't MMQB him.

a judge famously said once, you can't expect calm contemplation under an uplifted knife.

[magiaaron]

Now ask me again what I'd do if I'm armed and someone thinks they're going to threaten people's lives, people's well being, the glue of a family - in a bank or wherever. With all due respect - F that. I'm all in.

+1
Honestly, in the situation you described where multiple robbers are ordering people to the ground and to turn away, I'd rather die my way than theirs. In case you're wondering, that means that I'll gladly take one or two with me.

-magiaaron

[10 Ring Tao]

http://www.wxyz.com/content/news/seenon7priority/story.aspx?content_id=0ed3aeb8-c8a6-4e68-a4a9-0076ec92303d

The guy at the end of the second video seems to have the right idea.

When the first video finishes, the second starts automatically.

[Citroen]

You don't have to be a police officer or "security officer" to stop a felony in progress - all you have to do is have courage and ability. It appears to me that this man has both.

Others may make their own judgments of this, but I am rather tired of those who say, "my gun is for my protection and not anyone else's".

There is a word for that but I will refrain from using it in this forum. PM me if you want to hear it.

John
Charlotte, NC

[kensteele]

Others may make their own judgments of this, but I am rather tired of those who say, "my gun is for my protection and not anyone else's".



well, my statement is a bit shorter than yours. it simply says "i carry a concealed weapon for my protection." so anyway, do you carry your gun to protect yourself AND all the people around you (basically the public)?

[rvrctyrngr]

well, my statement is a bit shorter than yours. it simply says "i carry a concealed weapon for my protection." so anyway, do you carry your gun to protect yourself AND all the people around you (basically the public)?

If the situation presents itself, and I have the means to make a difference and prevent something bad (or worse) from happening, yes. As someone else in this thread stated...'I'm all in'.

Citroen, I'm pretty sure I know what word you want to use. :cool:

[Resqu2]

Pizza bomber guy, was kidnapped at gunpoint delivering pizza and a bomb was placed around his neck, he was then forced to rob a bank, because he was caught, he was blown up, no witnesses.

Hey PAGunner,
Was it later determined that the blown up guy was involved from the begining or am I thinking about another case??