Made in Doctors office!

[Lewsid 13]

I'm having Knee surgery tomorrow, so I was at the Doctors office today for a routine Pre-op physical

They were doing the usual "take a deep breath for me" and "turn your head and cough" routine when he asked me to lift my shirt so he could put the stethoscope to my back and listen to my breathing. Well, I had a little suprise for him when I lifted my shirt......a G27 worn IWB @ about 5:00.:alex:

He proceeded to listen to my breathing in a few different locations when he asked me to lay down. "can you lay down comfortably with that on". I said yes, and that is when he started asking me questions in reference to my firearm.

Doctor: Are you a cop?
Me: No, But I carry because I live in a bad neighborhood.
Doctor: Oh yea, where is that?
Me: N. Minneapolis.
Doctor: OH YEA, that is a rough area!
Doctor: What kind of gun is that?
Me: Glock.
Doctor: Is that a 14 shot?
Me: No, 10.
Me: Are you a.?.?.?.? Sportsmen?
Doctor: No, I just read a lot about that stuff.

And that was all that was said about it. I wanted to talk about it more with him. Does it make you feel uncomfortable to have patients that are armed ETC. ETC. but i just dropped it instead. He was very professional about it and seemed to be impartial to the fact that I was carrying a "Posessed" object destined for mayhem. :phew:

[Fire1]

Glad things turned out good for you. However I think that the odds are close to 100% for you being outted if you are going to a doctors appointment. If I carry to a doctors appointment I just use one of those day planner holsters.

[durangojim36]

I'm a family doc, and I have a number of LEO and non LEO patients that carry in my office. Never been an issue, especially since I carry in my office as well. Lab coats make great cover garments.

[guitarkid]

I'm sure the Doctor was being professional about the situation because:

1. He didn't want to lose his surgical fee from the knee surgery scheduled for the next day;:whistling: or
2. He didn't want to lose potential surgical fees from what he might be anticipating are future surgical fees since his patient is carrying a deadly weapon and might need surgical assistance down the road:cool:, or
3. He is a professional and the sight of a patient with a concealed weapon didn't surprise him or possibly many of his patients carry concealed:cool:; or
4. He didn't want to say anything to upset a patient carrying a deadly weapon!:wow:, or
5. He too was carrying a concealed weapon and basically was a comrade in arms!:cool:

[Yellowfin]

Dentists offices are interesting at times.

[TylerDurden]

That could have been easily avoided.

[EdMan63]

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[EdMan63]

That could have been easily avoided.

I guess that's my thought. Is it really surprising you got made? Nice that he was cool about it. But I guess given that you aren't LE, was it really necessary to wear it in the office? Just my .02

[Resqu2]

I guess that's my thought. Is it really surprising you got made? Nice that he was cool about it. But I guess given that you aren't LE, was it really necessary to wear it in the office? Just my .02

Don't take offense to this but is there no chance of something happening going to/from the office? Maybe he had other places to go and didn't want to risk locking it up in a vehicle, I don't like to leave mine in a vehicle either. That is just my .02 worth.

Always carry, where legal of course, never know when you will need it and always hope that you don't need it.

[RyanNREMTP]

Guess it's better than being Made in Taiwan.

One of the doctor's offices that I go to is posted no carry, the others are not. I don't have a problem with either case. Glad he was professional about it.

When working I kinda like finding out beforehand if a patient is carrying. Twice now I've found pistols with patients not fully alert that could have ended up badly.

[passive101]

You should have worn a smart carry! That wa he'd only out you if he was a pervert or had to look at your junk! :rofl:

[Lewsid 13]

You should have worn a smart carry! That wa he'd only out you if he was a pervert or had to look at your junk! :rofl: I DID have to do the whole "turn your head and cough" routine. I think that would have been real weird!! Why are you wearing a diaper with a gun attached? :tongueout:

[Lewsid 13]

That could have been easily avoided. Really??? Thanks for the advice!!

The issue here isn't whether it could have been avoided. I'm full aware that I could have chosen to (A) leave my gun at home. (B) leave my gun in the car. Or (C) carry my P3AT. But I carried my G27, and got made. It's not Illegal to carry into a Dr. office, I was just sharing the facts of MY visit. Cheers!

[Lewsid 13]

But I guess given that you aren't LE, was it really necessary to wear it in the office? Just my .02 Because an incident where one might need their gun for self defense could ONLY occur where you would expect it to right???

[Prometheus77]

I guess that's my thought. Is it really surprising you got made? Nice that he was cool about it. But I guess given that you aren't LE, was it really necessary to wear it in the office? Just my .02

I'm trying to figure out why a LEO would find it any more or less necessary. Going to an appointment they aren't going to be on duty...

As an aside I have several doctors who are friends and you'd be surprised the amount of times an irate patient confronts them.

Not to long ago one of my friends was doing rounds when a whacked out PT with a ruger p95 tried to kill a doctor for "purposefully infecting him during surgery". Luckily the guy had stolen the gun and didn't even realize it wasn't chamber and couldn't figure out how to do it before getting tackled by several male staff, doctors and bystanders.

You'll find 9 out of 10 doctors are republicans. Most of them are pro-gun, especially those not in pediatrics. However I do have a friend whose a pediatrician and he carries a little tomcat (bobcat? .32acp beretta don't recall the model for sure) with him 24/7 for just the reason I listed above.

So yes, it is necessary to carry a sidearm to a doctors appointment. I choose to bring in a BUG in my pants pocket so as not to 'surprise' my MD. I don't know any GP's in this area so I can't goto a friend unfortunately :(

[HandyMan Hugh]

I had a similar thing happen almost 30 years ago. I had to remove my shirt during an exam. So while the Doc was out of the room, I took my IWB clip holster out of my waistband and hid it and the sidearm under my shirt on the exam table. After listening to my heart, lungs, ETC the Doc asked me to lay back on the table. Being the nice guy that he was, the Doc went to move my shirt out of the way, and ended up with a double handful of holstered .357. It took a great deal of self control to NOT laugh at his response. He said(with his voice cracking like a teenager)"Oh, you're among friends here!" We discussed it, and he was very accepting of CCW. :supergrin:

[Denied]

Really??? Thanks for the advice!!

The issue here isn't whether it could have been avoided. I'm full aware that I could have chosen to (A) leave my gun at home. (B) leave my gun in the car. Or (C) carry my P3AT. But I carried my G27, and got made. It's not Illegal to carry into a Dr. office, I was just sharing the facts of MY visit. Cheers!

I visit a lot of doctors, dentists, etc. another alternative is the wilderness safe packer, I keep one in my truck and if I am going where I may have to drop my pants, I put my g26 in the safe packer. Never had anyone comment on it, just pile it up with my cloths. Also very good with shorts and tee shirt.

[acpd442]

[QUOTE=Resqu2;10699587]Don't take offense to this but is there no chance of something happening going to/from the office? Maybe he had other places to go and didn't want to risk locking it up in a vehicle, I don't like to leave mine in a vehicle either. That is just my .02 worth.

Tell that to the two officers who ran into the dentist's office during the Hollywood bank robbery and shootout. I'm sure they would disagree as well the the dentist.

[Cody Jarrett]

I don't think you have any worries about him screwing up your surgery. :shocked:

[glockobsession]

Doctors do seem to be very professional about the whole thing. I had to go in for an exam and was wearing my G22 OWB at the time. Nurse asked me to lift the shirt, I did, and nothing was said. Not even the obligatory "are you a cop?" was muttered. I was quite surprised, but then again it was literally on the worst block in the whole city.

[gary newport]

Dentists offices are interesting at times.

Mouth carry?

[TylerDurden]

Really??? Thanks for the advice!!

The issue here isn't whether it could have been avoided. I'm full aware that I could have chosen to (A) leave my gun at home. (B) leave my gun in the car. Or (C) carry my P3AT. But I carried my G27, and got made. It's not Illegal to carry into a Dr. office, I was just sharing the facts of MY visit. Cheers!


No need to get defensive, you said you got "made" which implies in CCW circles that someone unexpectedly discovered that you were armed.

You can expect to get "made" when you have a physical.

[certifiedfunds]

You'll find 9 out of 10 doctors are republicans. Most of them are pro-gun, especially those not in pediatrics. :(

As much as I'd like that statement to be true, I doubt very highly that its accurate. Its most likely location dependent....maybe true where you are and probably here too, but not so much on the left or right coasts and in major urban areas.

Docs are no different than anyone else and I'd expect you can find them split pretty much down the middle like the rest of the genpop.

[PAGunner]

You'll find 9 out of 10 doctors are republicans. Most of them are pro-gun, especially those not in pediatrics. However I do have a friend whose a pediatrician and he carries a little tomcat (bobcat? .32acp beretta don't recall the model for sure) with him 24/7 for just the reason I listed above.(

I am going to go ahead and disagree with the bolded statement that 9 out of 10 docs are republican. I saw a study a few years ago where it was like 2/3rds of docs are republicans (pretty high, I'll grant you that), the exact opposite of what you find among lawyers. However, I am currently a medical student and will tell you that many of my classmates are as liberal as you can get, typical Latte drinking Barack Obama supporters. Adcoms in most medical schools are left wing and they control who gets into medical school. Adcoms generally weed applicants out based largely on personal statements, looking for hints of political views in it, sad but true. Seems like these socialist/liberal adcom members are doing their part to help make it easier to implement socialized medicine.

I'd venture to say docs 20 years from now will likely be abut 2/3rds socialist/liberals. Kinda scary, but I'm doing my part to keep classmates enlightened, like taking them to a shooting range and giving them basic facts of life.

[TylerDurden]

The AMA is very anti-gun.

[PAGunner]

The AMA is very anti-gun.

AMA does not represent the majority of physicians in the USA, and even out of the docs that are members of the AMA, not all (probably most) do not support many of the positions the AMA lobbies for.

[Doc226]

I am a Gynecologist and carry my G30 everyday. Seeing a gun on a patient or significant other would not bother me a bit.

I work 2 days a week in a community health center and a couple of months ago I heard a patient yelling upstairs at one of the family Docs that he wanted to kill him. Lucky for everyone the family doc was not there that day and the police got there pretty quick. I un-tucked my shirt that day (usually carry IWB with shirt tucked) and waited.

[durangojim36]

I am a Gynecologist and carry my G30 everyday. Seeing a gun on a patient or significant other would not bother me a bit.

I work 2 days a week in a community health center and a couple of months ago I heard a patient yelling upstairs at one of the family Docs that he wanted to kill him. Lucky for everyone the family doc was not there that day and the police got there pretty quick. I un-tucked my shirt that day (usually carry IWB with shirt tucked) and waited.

Interesting story.

About four months ago a patient came to me for a Department of Transportation physical. I failed him becuase he had an eye condition and no depth perception. Later that afternoon he called our office, became extremely irate, swore at the staff an myself, and said f this, ect. Didn't think much about it until a couple months later when it was shown on tv that he had an altercation with two LEOs and shot both. He's in custody now, but I had just applied for my CPL the week before and now carry a S&W 642 everyday at work and a 30SF when I'm off work. All of the docs in my practice are conservatives, and two of us carry daily.

[M2 Carbine]

Some time back I visited the doctor just to renew my prescriptions. While there he decided to check further, so I had to undress.
I said I'll just lay this on the table, I don't want to drop it out of my pocket (Kel Tec P3AT).
No problem with my doctor though.
When I see him we talk about me for 5 minutes and about guns and shooting for 20 minutes.:)

I doubt he's wearing a gun but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't one in the office.

[Lewsid 13]

No need to get defensive, you said you got "made" which implies in CCW circles that someone unexpectedly discovered that you were armed.

You can expect to get "made" when you have a physical. In the past, I Have had the nurse come in, take my blood pressure, and then tell me to strip down to my briefs before the doctor comes in. I had planned to hide my gun amongst my clothes, but then the doctor just came in and started lifting clothing. It caught me a little off guard, but it's all good!

[Herb Twoleaf]

Dentists offices are interesting at times.

Mouth carry?



That whole waking up from anesthesia with your shirt buttoned wrong and belt unbuckled thing ?
:embarassed:

[NotAMonte86]

Everyone knows what happens at a doctor's office. I think it's better to plan accordingly and, if your state doesn't allow open carry, conceal using an alternate method. I prefer pocket carry, but other ideas have already been mentioned... day planner holster, Wilderness Safepacker.

You can't consider this being "made," since lifting your shirt at a dr.'s office has been a standard part of every office visit throughout time. This is similar to Paris Hilton doing nude gymnastics down Rodeo Dr., then blogging that the Paparazzi snapped a crotch shot.

[Doc226]

This is similar to Paris Hilton doing nude gymnastics down Rodeo Dr., then blogging that the Paparazzi snapped a crotch shot.

Again:rofl:

[matt86]

He proceeded to listen to my breathing in a few different locations when he asked me to lay down. "can you lay down comfortably with that on". I said yes, and that is when he started asking me questions in reference to my firearm.

I busted out laughing when I read this... that's a funny reaction to it.

[MacG22]

Oh. I thought you were telling us about how your local doctor was actually the Don who performed the ceremony removing your status as a "Wiseguy". In that case, as long as other made guys were around, you have nothing to worry about.

Because that would have been cool, too.

[happy seal]

I was at the doctors office about four months ago. Instead of carrying my G27 in my ankle holster into the office I left the holster on my ankle and put the firearm into my car safe.
He asked me to hop on the table and breathe, then check pulse at ankles says "What's that for"?
Ankle holster!
Holster for what?
Pistol, I'm permitted to carry in this state and several others.
"why, you live in a bad area"
Any area can become a bad area, ask the doctor from the chesire home invasion!
He said " your right, I knew him personally, very sad"
" How do you get a permit" ?
We talked for a while and all was fine!:dunno:

[FiremanMike]

When working I kinda like finding out beforehand if a patient is carrying. Twice now I've found pistols with patients not fully alert that could have ended up badly.

Funny you mention that.. when CCW first passed in Ohio a few years ago, I remember everyone freaking out at the firehouse "what are we going to do with all these guns?!?!"

I work in a pretty ****ty neighborhood, I've not found a single gun.

[Bacchus99]

I'm a family doc, and I have a number of LEO and non LEO patients that carry in my office. Never been an issue, especially since I carry in my office as well. Lab coats make great cover garments.

Good for you. We need more like you! I haven't carried at my doc's office yet. My guess is he'd be cool with it.

[Patronus]

I don't think you have any worries about him screwing up your surgery. :shocked:

Too right! :rofl:

[beefums]

I carried my G19 on my hip into a doctor's office. The office was in a hospital and I refuse to go into a hospital or out of a hospital unarmed. He was an orthopedist and looked at my back. Didn't mention the G19 and he treated it like a cellphone or pager.

I really don't care if my doctor knows if I carry. I mean hell, I figure if I can show someone my gun, I might as well be able to show them my weapon.

[Lewsid 13]

I mean hell, I figure if I can show someone my gun, I might as well be able to show them my weapon.
Funny!! Although I totally agree.

[Yellowfin]

Mouth carry?Nah, just sitting in chairs at odd angles can make your sidearm slide out of your holster if you don't have a thumb break. Mine didn't but I was real wary of it doing so last time I was there. Didn't have the occasion come up but I wonder what reaction I would have gotten being in south Philly. I should carry a stack of PA LTCF apps on me next time to get people to sign up.

[Thx-1138]

I carried my G19 on my hip into a doctor's office. The office was in a hospital and I refuse to go into a hospital or out of a hospital unarmed.

Most hospitals in NC are posted (which carry legal weight), and even if they're not, they probably fall under the "school campus" prohibition in the state. :crying:

[coloradokevin]

Glad things turned out good for you. However I think that the odds are close to 100% for you being outted if you are going to a doctors appointment.

I have to agree. There are few situations where I don't carry, but there are a few (doctor's office, swimming, etc).

[Lewsid 13]

I have to agree. There are few situations where I don't carry, but there are a few (doctor's office, swimming, etc).I see that you are new to GT, and probably just want to get into "the mix" One suggestion though....Read the entire thread before you make posts about subject matter that has already been explained.:wavey:

[hIGH_aND_mIGHTY]

[QUOTE=Resqu2;10699587]Don't take offense to this but is there no chance of something happening going to/from the office? Maybe he had other places to go and didn't want to risk locking it up in a vehicle, I don't like to leave mine in a vehicle either. That is just my .02 worth.

Tell that to the two officers who ran into the dentist's office during the Hollywood bank robbery and shootout. I'm sure they would disagree as well the the dentist.

I think you misread what he wrote. The first sentence is a question not a statement. I had to read it a couple times too.:wavey:

[novaDAK]

I wouldn't call it getting made when you were the one who lifted your shirt up knowing well that your gun would be 'exposed' :)
Getting made is more when someone discovers you're carrying when you did not intend for that to happen.

[B1rd]

I am currently a medical student and will tell you that many of my classmates are as liberal as you can get, typical Latte drinking Barack Obama supporters.

This may change when they get out and work on paying off their debts.

[Bill Lumberg]

Because they're an LEO. Not rocket science. :wavey:

I'm trying to figure out why a LEO would find it any more or less necessary. Going to an appointment they aren't going to be on duty...(

[cjlandry]

When I was having prostate trouble, and my doc told me to drop my pants, I said, "Just a second. I gotta take some hardware off of my belt." He turned the other way as I removed my pistol and placed it under my shirt on the table.

No big deal.

Of course, a 1911, a couple spare mags, leatherman, knife, and a revolver in my pocket did make the scale register a bit heavy when the nurse weighed me before seeing the doc.

[ArodJohns]

I'm a family doc, and I have a number of LEO and non LEO patients that carry in my office. Never been an issue, especially since I carry in my office as well. Lab coats make great cover garments.

Please tell me you're in NW Ohio.

[durangojim36]

Please tell me you're in NW Ohio.
Sorry, SE Michigan

[ArodJohns]

Sorry, SE Michigan

Damn:crying: