.45 or 10mm

[arrow17]

I kinda asked this same question but in a very complicated way and didnt get many responses. So I have a target gun already g23 with lonewolf 9mm barrel. Then I have a g30 for self defense and hunting. I was thinking about trading the .45 for a 10mm. Is this a smart move? ammo price is no prablem because I reload. Will I be missing anything by getting rid of the .45?

[Glock-7]

Hoo boy.

This one could get ugly. :)

[intheburbs]

A G30 for hunting? What, squirrels and chipmunks? Up close?

I have both a G20C and a G21. Let's just say ever since I got the 20C, the 21 has been gathering a lot of dust.....10mm's a hoot to shoot.

[gary newport]

The G30 is an excellent choice for self-defense. For hunting, I'd recommend a rifle or at least a revolver in .44 Magnum or larger.

[gary newport]

Hoo boy.

This one could get ugly. :)

You got that right! :cool:

[arrow17]

I am mostly a bowhunter who hunts with a longbow. So my max range with a longbow is about 25 yards. With this g30 I can keep bullets on a pie plate out to about this far. So I figured this would be alright with for deer and pig hunting. Also when I am bow hunting hogs it would be backup if something goes wrong. Is the .45 acp not good enough for deer/hogs? I just cant see my 230 grain golddots not dropping deer and pigs. And is the 30/29 not good for this either? should it by the 21/20? thanks

[gary newport]

I am mostly a bowhunter who hunts with a longbow. So my max range with a longbow is about 25 yards. With this g30 I can keep bullets on a pie plate out to about this far. So I figured this would be alright with for deer and pig hunting. Also when I am bow hunting hogs it would be backup if something goes wrong. Is the .45 acp not good enough for deer/hogs? I just cant see my 230 grain golddots not dropping deer and pigs. And is the 30/29 not good for this either? should it by the 21/20? thanks

Bill Wilson shoots Arkansas hogs with a .45. I would suggest the G21 for this application.

[oldguy68]

10mm, if it's good enough for Ted Nugent...:supergrin:

[rifleshooter474]

I think if you do some looking into just what type of Ammo. you can find for a 10mm and then look at what you can buy for a .45acp. Thats all one really needs to do to find the correct answer to your question.:cool:

[ljnowell]

I think that would sum it up. BTW get the .45. Even if you reload you may be somewhere, someday, when you need off the shelf ammo and it may not be readily available.

[arrow17]

I am considering keeping the g30 and just getting a 10mm later because I know I am going to regret getting rid of it. Will I be missing anything by getting rid of the .45 and getting the 10mm?

[Glock-n-Talk]

Every one that hunts should carry a handgun into the woods with them. even if you are Bowhunting...Here where I live if you have a CC permit then you can carry even when bowhunting. Did you know more people over the last 100 years have been killed by Deer, than Bear's and Mountain Lions. If you were attacked up close by a animal, I would rather have a Handgun than a Bow or Bolt action Rifle, If its going to be up close.

Hunting deer with a Handgun is alot of fun! Its really no different in alot of ways than Bow Hunting, range you have for a kill shot is about the same. Its harder than hunting with a Rifle, the deer have a much better chance. Ethical shot does come into play, I have let deer pass that were more than 25 Yrds away. I was using a M&P .45 with no scope. I know there are better Cal ammo to use with less drop, but thats what makes it fun to me. In my state you have to get a special handgun hunting license, The Barrel has to be only 4 inch's to Deer Hunt. Be sure to chk you Local gun laws if you should ever want to try it.

[SDGlock23]

You've got a Glock 23 and a Glock 30. I dare say that you don't need another Glock, but look into a good SA or DA revolver in a respectable caliber to hunt with, such as a .44 Mag or better yet, a .45 Colt.

[LOCHFAL]

I bought a 10mm barrel to fit my G30 several months ago and love it. I'm not planning to actually hunt with it but I'd use it to attempt to stop a black bear or a mountain lion while on my mountain property any day of the week.

I'm also about to finalize a deal for a G21 and will be getting a 6" conversion barrel for that one. That I might try hunting with a little bit.

[Preußen]

10mm loaded with double tap ammo:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1637/10mmnuke1dd5.jpg

:rofl:

[DanK]

I consider the .45 to be super smooth. I love it!

However, I have the G20C and do not regret it one bit. I think your fingers might hit the mag lips a bit more, so after a long day at the range, you could have slightly sore thumbs. The round might be a tad more snappy out of a non-compensated barrel than a .45. But you get a lot of benefits!!!

Way more power. Greater ammo capacity. The capability to upgrade to a 9X25 Dillon cartridge. The .45 should have the volume for a 9X25 conversion, but I don't think there are any readily available and I wouldn't use that configuration. The round is too powerful for the thinner slide of the .45; you might experience premature wear/cracking.

So yes: the 10MM is a good move. And yes: you might have a bit of a longing for the carefree, super smooth handling of the .45.

[Preußen]

10mm= :yawn:



.45 Super= :rock:

[novaDAK]

10mm= :yawn:



.45 Super= :rock:

Matches 10mm performance while having the advantage of a larger starting diameter :supergrin:

Only downside is reduced capacity, but life is full of tradeoffs. Advange is, you can do it with most .45ACP pistols with nothing more than some spring changes :)

[Rich77]

Matches 10mm performance while having the advantage of a larger starting diameter :supergrin:

Only downside is reduced capacity, but life is full of tradeoffs. Advange is, you can do it with most .45ACP pistols with nothing more than some spring changes :)

What is the recommended modification to a stock G30 to make it shoot .45 super without any problems? Who sells .45 super?

[dougader]

Read here about 45 Super:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197490

[dougader]

Let me just say, too, that if you are planning to hunt hogs with a 45 then dump the hollow points. Get a good hardcast or fmjfp that will penetrate in to do some damage.

I would think a 45 Super with a 265 grain Beartooth hardcast would do well from a 5 - 6" barrel. But for game that can run you down and tear you up, I'd really prefer a nice 44 maggie or a heavy loaded 45 Colt revolver.

[CanyonMan]

I kinda asked this same question but in a very complicated way and didnt get many responses. So I have a target gun already g23 with lonewolf 9mm barrel. Then I have a g30 for self defense and hunting. I was thinking about trading the .45 for a 10mm. Is this a smart move? ammo price is no prablem because I reload. Will I be missing anything by getting rid of the .45?



To answer the last question, Yes ! A bigger hole.

As for the "hunting" senerio. You would be better served (for deer), to use the 10mm minimum choice, and a good 44mag/45LC would be better....

But, to answer a question, if the 45acp is "enough for close range deer." Yes it is. You say you reload. Here is a recipie for you, from a very good friend of mine who owns and makes Beartooth cast bullets. Marshall Stanton.



Cartridge: 45 ACP
Bullet Weight: 225 grains
Date: 2001-03-08
Username: Halfstock
Bullet Type: Cast
Bullet Manufacturer: Beartooth
Nose Profile: FNB
Base: BB
Bullet Dia. .452 grains
BHN: 21
Powder: AA #5
Charge Weight: 8.9 grains
Primer: WLPP
Brass: IMI
Trim Length: 1.150"
C.O.L.: 1.240"
Velocity: 989 fps
Extreme Spread: 6 fps
Accuracy: .76/25 yds
Temperature: 59 degrees F
Pressure: Normal
Comments:
Great load in 1911's with standard recoil spring, very consistent load


Here is a link to the Bullet to use: http://www.beartoothbullets.com/bulletselect/index.htm
Click on 45 auto caliber. The above is the rescipie for this 21BHN bullet.

Marshall dedigned this specifically for the 45acp, (mostly in 1911), and will with good shot placement of course, it will pass through a lung shot buck at 50yds.... Fact.

Although Marshall Knows this as well, I am sure he too would agree, that there are better caliber choices for deer size game. I am simply sharing with you what you can do with the G30, and this particular bullet/load, and I would also recomend trying to stay under 50 yds, and closer to 25/35yds.

I too, hunt with traditional bow as well, and have shot many a deer and other large to small game at 25 yds. and much less. So, if you "must" use your 45acp for a deer, get close, and give this formula a try, and see if your gun likes it first, and how accuarate it is for you. If all is well there. Yes it will work, but again, remember, it is not the best choice.

HTH's


CanyonMan

[PAGunner]

10mm loaded with double tap ammo:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/1637/10mmnuke1dd5.jpg

:rofl:

Is that the ballistics of the uranium or plutonium Double Tap HP? :rofl:

[vetteman]

You almost had me convinced until I saw the sideways mushroom cloud. :rofl:

[MOHAA Player]

I kinda asked this same question but in a very complicated way and didnt get many responses. So I have a target gun already g23 with lonewolf 9mm barrel. Then I have a g30 for self defense and hunting. I was thinking about trading the .45 for a 10mm. Is this a smart move? ammo price is no prablem because I reload. Will I be missing anything by getting rid of the .45?

Easy answer 45 super:wavey:

[glock20c10mm]

Matches 10mm performance while having the advantage of a larger starting diameter :supergrin:

Only downside is reduced capacity, but life is full of tradeoffs. Advange is, you can do it with most .45ACP pistols with nothing more than some spring changes :)
What numbers are you looking at to suggest any truth to that at all? The 45Super gives you nothing more than 40S&W equivalent velocities. The 460Rowland is a much better comparison to the 10mm auto, in terms of comparing a 45cal cartridge to a 40cal cartridge. The 45Super only looks good when comparing it to the ultra anemic 45auto. You are comparing bullets of similar sectional density, aren't you? Must not be.

[glock20c10mm]

I kinda asked this same question but in a very complicated way and didnt get many responses. So I have a target gun already g23 with lonewolf 9mm barrel. Then I have a g30 for self defense and hunting. I was thinking about trading the .45 for a 10mm. Is this a smart move? ammo price is no prablem because I reload. Will I be missing anything by getting rid of the .45?
Since you're going to be rolling your own, definately the 10mm! 200gr XTPs in the "10" will outpenetrate any JHP bullet in 45auto or 45Super, and with much greater aplomb! Need I say more? Plus, with a G20/G20C/G29, with nothing more than an aftermarket barrel swap, you can also have fun shooting: 357SIG, 40S&W, and 9X25Dillon. Ok, I said more. Want more yet?

[M. Hall]

10mm is enough for most things with the right load....except brown and polar bears.

[dougader]

What numbers are you looking at to suggest any truth to that at all? The 45Super gives you nothing more than 40S&W equivalent velocities. The 460Rowland is a much better comparison to the 10mm auto, in terms of comparing a 45cal cartridge to a 40cal cartridge. The 45Super only looks good when comparing it to the ultra anemic 45auto. You are comparing bullets of similar sectional density, aren't you? Must not be.

Well, most of my stuff is already in 45... 45 auto, 45 Colt. And the poster already has a G30 so all he needs to do is get a 22-24# recoil spring and 45 Super brass to load up. A 5" barrel for the g30 from lwd would be good too.

You really are understating the power of 45 Super.


In basic 45 Super data you can google

http://www.realguns.com/loads/45Super.htm

You see 185 gr slugs at 1400 fps, 200 @ ~1300 fps and 260's@ 1,000 fps.

John Linebaugh talks about hunting with a 45 Colt loaded with a 260 grain hardcast @ 900 fps and taking mule deer and antelope at 90-100+ yards and having end-to-end lengthwise penetration. We can argue about caliber and sectional density all day but we both know either 10mm or 45 Super will hunt.

For me, 45 Super makes more sense... and it does it with about 10,000 psi less pressure and muzzle blast.

Now, I've talked to guys who push the 45 Super more than I do. I imagine they are pushing into 460 Rowland/10mm pressure levels and I am not quite that brave. But... a 265 grain Beartooth hardcast slug at 1200 fps sounds awful nice... :whistling:

[uz2bUSMC]

.45-08

[glock20c10mm]

Well, most of my stuff is already in 45... 45 auto, 45 Colt. And the poster already has a G30 so all he needs to do is get a 22-24# recoil spring and 45 Super brass to load up. A 5" barrel for the g30 from lwd would be good too.

You really are understating the power of 45 Super.


In basic 45 Super data you can google

http://www.realguns.com/loads/45Super.htm

You see 185 gr slugs at 1400 fps, 200 @ ~1300 fps and 260's@ 1,000 fps.

John Linebaugh talks about hunting with a 45 Colt loaded with a 260 grain hardcast @ 900 fps and taking mule deer and antelope at 90-100+ yards and having end-to-end lengthwise penetration. We can argue about caliber and sectional density all day but we both know either 10mm or 45 Super will hunt.

For me, 45 Super makes more sense... and it does it with about 10,000 psi less pressure and muzzle blast.

Now, I've talked to guys who push the 45 Super more than I do. I imagine they are pushing into 460 Rowland/10mm pressure levels and I am not quite that brave. But... a 265 grain Beartooth hardcast slug at 1200 fps sounds awful nice... :whistling:
I can understand why you like the round, especially since you already have an interest in the 45auto, which I don't. That said, the 10mm, when comparing bullets of similar sectional density(ie - 200gr 40cal/260gr 45cal) does average about 150fps better than the 45Super. But, like you said, it takes more pressure to make that happen.

In the link you gave, I'ld be VERY curious to know what pressure in psi those loads were generating. On top of that, what is considered max psi for the 45Super? I don't think there's a rating for it, is there? But, like I said, in the link you posted, I'ld be very curious to know how they figured they were at a "max" load or not. Also note, those 45Super velocities were based on a 5" barrel.

In the end, I'm not saying the 45Super is not a desireable round, as I do see good reason it would be to many shooters out there. What I am saying is; The 45Super does not match 10mm Auto performance, that's all.

[dougader]

I can understand why you like the round, especially since you already have an interest in the 45auto, which I don't. That said, the 10mm, when comparing bullets of similar sectional density(ie - 200gr 40cal/260gr 45cal) does average about 150fps better than the 45Super. But, like you said, it takes more pressure to make that happen.

In the link you gave, I'ld be VERY curious to know what pressure in psi those loads were generating. On top of that, what is considered max psi for the 45Super? I don't think there's a rating for it, is there? But, like I said, in the link you posted, I'ld be very curious to know how they figured they were at a "max" load or not. Also note, those 45Super velocities were based on a 5" barrel.

In the end, I'm not saying the 45Super is not a desireable round, as I do see good reason it would be to many shooters out there. What I am saying is; The 45Super does not match 10mm Auto performance, that's all.

Without double-checking myself, I believe most loading data for 45 Super is limited to 28,000 psi and 460 Rowland is around 36,000 psi. But I believe you are right that SAAMI has never set a pressure limit for 45 Super.

I used to have a real nice G20, but sold it when I needed some cash during a time of unemployment. I never like to sell guns and this was no exception. In fact, I kept 2 boxes of Mike's DT 200 grain Beartooth load because back then it was a limited release. I always expected to get beck into 10mm but just haven't done it. I still may, but I just like the old 45 too much, lol.

[glock20c10mm]

Without double-check myselfing, I believe most loading data for 45 Super is limited to 28,000 psi and 460 Rowland is around 36,000 psi. But I believe you are right that SAAMI has never set a pressure limit for 45 Super.

I used to have a real nice G20, but sold it when I needed some cash during a time of unemployment. I never like to sell guns and this was no exception. In fact, I kept 2 boxes of Mike's DT 200 grain Beartooth load because back then it was a limited release. I always expected to get beck into 10mm but just haven't done it. I still may, but I just like the old 45 too much, lol.
Thanks for the info. As far as liking the old 45 too much, nothing wrong with that!

Good Shooting,
Craig:thumbsup:

[michael t]

Is that the ballistics of the uranium or plutonium Double Tap HP? :rofl:

WHAT IS WITH THIS DOCTORED PICTURE Can't the 10 stand on its own Needs some photo shop help and a silly statement underneath:whistling:

[Glolt20-91]

1911 and 460 Rowland, with barrel comp, recoil is less than .45auto and fpe is in factory .44mag levels.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_143_23/ai_56221635

Bob :cowboy: