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bac1023
06-19-2008, 20:40
Hey guys, I took my new Valor along with a bunch of 1911s to the range today. I haven't shot in a while. I was comparing the Valor directly to the Springfield TRP, which is about the same price ($1300 or so). I have always felt the TRP was the best 1911 in that price range, or below $1500, for that matter.

Anyway I had a great time and was very impressed with the Valor's performance.

I'll rate them in a few different catagories, some may overlap somewhat. Obviously, this is only one man's opinion.

Finish: I have to give the edge to the TRP. I think its one of the best quality production 1911s you can buy, with a flawless stainless finish. The Valor is also stainless, with a nice matte black coating. Its very nice, but the slight edge goes to Springfield.

Looks: Definately the Valor. I think its one of the best looking 1911s available today at any price. I happen to like a clean looking 1911 without front serrations and "billboard" marking on the slides. I also think the solid trigger looks great. While the TRP is nice looking, its just too busy for me. It could due without that "Tactical" stamp on the frame.

Reliablility: Tie. Niether have had any problems. I thought the Valor might, as my DW CBOB needed some break in, but this fired two hundred rounds with no problems whatsoever. The Springfield is rock solid.

Features: The edge goes to the TRP. Some may not like all the features it has, but it comes standard with a magwell, two piece guide rod, which I love, and an ambi safety. The Valor has the single sided safety, no magwell, and a barrel bushing.

Trigger: The Valor has the best trigger of any 1911 I own under $2K. Its amazing. Very crisp and light, with a great feel. The TRP's trigger has a more solid feel, but not quite as nice as the Dan Wesson's.

Accuracy: I give the edge to the Valor, but its a slight edge. I was shooting 25 yards on a makeshift rest and was able to rip the inner circle out of the target with both easily. I had a couple outside with the Springfield, but that may have been my fault.

Build quality: This is a tough call. The Valor feels more like a semi custom gun with its trigger and smoother slide. However, the TRP is just rock solid and feels like you could hammer nails with it. I can't give the edge to either, but they are much different and its hard to describe any better then I did. They have to be handled back to back to fully understand.

Exclusivity: If this matters to anyone, the Valor wins in a landslide. They just came out. Plus, I hear they will be built sparingly and not in the numbers the Pointman and CBOB are. Likewise they are very hard to find. TRPs are everywhere.

Miscellaneous: There are a couple things to point out about each. The TRP has deep 20lpi checkering on the front strap. This does not bother me, but many feels its too rough. The Valor has my favorite, which is 25lpi (30lpi feels too smooth to me). One thing odd about the Valor is the grips. they are the woven micarta "blond desert" VZ grips. While I love the way that look, the get dirty and turn black while shooting or if they come into contact with gun oil. I had to remove and clean them with a toothbrush and soap. I'm not going to replace them, because I think they really compliment the Valor's good looks.


In conclusion, they are much different 1911s. I can't say I think the Valor is quite as good as the TRP from an overall standpoint, due to the TRP's features and solid build quality for the money. However, I prefer the Valor over the TRP for its looks and feel. Sorry I can't pick a winner, but I just wanted to give a rundown for those interested in a 1911 in this price range.

I will wish everyone who wants a Valor good luck in finding one.

Here are some pics of each and a few of them together. They are much different and that can be seen in the pics alone.

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bac1023
06-19-2008, 20:41
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bac1023
06-19-2008, 20:42
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skud_dusty
06-19-2008, 22:54
I'm with you, the tactical stamp is just...tacky.

:puking:

nick__45
06-19-2008, 23:09
nice guns bro.

Cobra64
06-19-2008, 23:28
Thanks Bac. Excellent and fair assessment. Objective factors such as accuracy, tolerances and so forth can be measured; most interesting however in your report was an as unbiased as possible, the aspects that presentation and ergonomics are individual personal preference interpretations.

Cheers,

Cobra

JKG
06-19-2008, 23:38
Very nice bac, thanks for taking the time to create this post. The TRP seems like a nice pistol, but the Valor would be my choice based solely on appearance.

ECVMatt
06-19-2008, 23:39
Great review...

I have a TRP and love it. I really like the simple look of the Valor though..

Enjoy those guns!

Matt

Forgoten214
06-20-2008, 02:17
Very nice as well. I was waiting to hear about the Valor. Did the TRP require a break in as well? The TRP finish, is that finish Durable? That Black with the Valor is very pretty too. I always liked those G10 composite grips that come with the TRP as well, they always seemed very durable and provided a nice grip. What grip i want to try out is Wilson's Starburst G10 grips. Now those look bad ass!

Great review BTW

alwayshear
06-20-2008, 02:26
Nice report, thanks for posting!

GlockBill
06-20-2008, 06:50
Very nice pistols. I've been itching for a new DW 1911 for a while, now I want one even more.

grecco
06-20-2008, 06:52
Thanks for sharing!
Beatiful pistols.

Cruiser702
06-20-2008, 11:08
Sure is a beauty! Enjoy! :)

Glock_XXI
06-20-2008, 12:50
bac, nice work as always. I always enjoy your comments on 1911's. I can't wait until I can get a TRP.

DonD
06-20-2008, 14:12
Sounds like an objective review. Excellent photography. Don

Zombie Steve
06-20-2008, 14:17
Thanks again for sharing, and for the drool on my keyboard.

:thumbsup:

Thorazine
06-20-2008, 14:36
What kind of ammunition did you shoot?

Slow fire?
Rapid fire?

Results of either or both?

MacG22
06-20-2008, 15:45
Thanks, Bac. Immensely helpful as always. And I like the green carpeting much better.

Mr. S
06-20-2008, 16:35
Nice review.
That Valor is a real looker.

Did I mention that I hate you :)

Berto
06-20-2008, 17:57
Great report.

I like the appearence of the Valor, no billboard or silly front slide serrations, solid trigger...very business like.

Cast frame?

bac1023
06-20-2008, 18:13
Great report.

I like the appearence of the Valor, no billboard or silly front slide serrations, solid trigger...very business like.

Cast frame?

Thanks Berto.

The Valor has a forged frame, which is one reason its more expensive than the CBOB or Pointman. They use cast frames.

The Valor is DW's version of their top of the line "custom" 1911.

bac1023
06-20-2008, 20:36
Very nice as well. I was waiting to hear about the Valor. Did the TRP require a break in as well? The TRP finish, is that finish Durable? That Black with the Valor is very pretty too. I always liked those G10 composite grips that come with the TRP as well, they always seemed very durable and provided a nice grip. What grip i want to try out is Wilson's Starburst G10 grips. Now those look bad ass!

Great review BTW

The TRP's finish is durable and very well done.

The TRP shoots right out of the box. Its pretty much automatic. The TRP's grips are also VZ, as are the Wilson's Starburst.

gjk5
06-20-2008, 21:24
You mean you actually SHOOT those unreliable overpriced 1911's of yours? I thought they were just jewelry for your gun safe. I bet it makes you feel awfully superior to all those poor plastic guys you freakin' elitist.








:supergrin:


In all seriousness: beautiful DW (the TRP is nice but very common, the Valor has some uniqueness to it), and great write up. I know you catch a lot of crap but I'm not alone in appreciating your knowledge and opinions on 1911's not to mention the great pics you've posted.

bac1023
06-21-2008, 04:40
In all seriousness: beautiful DW (the TRP is nice but very common, the Valor has some uniqueness to it), and great write up. I know you catch a lot of crap but I'm not alone in appreciating your knowledge and opinions on 1911's not to mention the great pics you've posted.

Thanks.

I love the unique stuff, which is one of the reasons I like the Valor.

Rinspeed
06-21-2008, 06:22
Very nice review bac, both are sharp pistols. I can't remember if those grips on the Valor are the ones that came on it or not. I like them a lot. I know the TRP has some MIM parts in it how about the Valor. Any malfunctions at all from the TRP when it was new. Nice carpet by the way. :supergrin:

liliysdad
06-21-2008, 09:29
Nice review, BAC. I haven't played with a Valor yet, but I think the TRP is the very best production 1911 available. The only things I dont like about the TRP is the FLGR and the Ambi safety, both of which are easily changed.

Forgoten214
06-21-2008, 13:25
The TRP's finish is durable and very well done.

The TRP shoots right out of the box. Its pretty much automatic. The TRP's grips are also VZ, as are the Wilson's Starburst.

Nice i feel those grips are the best in the business. Highly durable.

UniversalBrow06
06-21-2008, 13:49
I really do want both of those pistols. I've always coveted a TRP. The Valor is quite a handsome piece.

log_lew
09-25-2008, 01:09
The TRP's finish is durable and very well done.

The TRP shoots right out of the box. Its pretty much automatic. The TRP's grips are also VZ, as are the Wilson's Starburst.


Both of the g-10's are actually made by Larry Davidson. I was in his shop when he was cranking out a batch for the springfield emp.

log_lew
09-25-2008, 01:12
Thanks Berto.

The Valor has a forged frame, which is one reason its more expensive than the CBOB or Pointman. They use cast frames.

The Valor is DW's version of their top of the line "custom" 1911.

I did get my hands on a Valor....you know it really looks like a Thunder Ranch as far as features and no frills...solid trigger, single side safety...etc.

Southpaw69
09-25-2008, 01:19
I love the clean look of the Valor, very nice. If i ever decide to pay the money for one of these more expensive 1911s, i want no front serrations.

glockgt
09-25-2008, 02:00
thanks for sharing bac, and sweeeeettt guns

Glocktalkfan
09-25-2008, 02:50
I like the the TRP better than the Valor by looking at it.Why does the Valor haven't a southpaw safety lever?

bac1023
09-25-2008, 04:06
Wow!

Who dug up this old thread? :dunno:

bac1023
09-25-2008, 04:26
I like the the TRP better than the Valor by looking at it.Why does the Valor haven't a southpaw safety lever?

Many 1911s only come with a single safety, actually.

Some prefer that for the traditional look.

Glocktalkfan
09-25-2008, 04:59
Many 1911s only come with a single safety, actually.

Some prefer that for the traditional look.

Yes,my Browning Hi Power as well.Had to learn a draw style which includes cooking while drawing to carry the gun chambered.

Forgoten214
09-25-2008, 06:14
Many 1911s only come with a single safety, actually.

Some prefer that for the traditional look.

I am Left Handed. I like the look of the single sided 1911 but Ambi is sort of a necessity for anything other than a range toy. :cool:

Zombie Steve
09-25-2008, 07:20
Bac,
After re-reading this report, I'm curious why you like the guide rod the TRP has. This is one thing I'm considering changing out to a GI style. It just seems unnecessary and makes it a pain in the butt to disassemble. I know they were all the rage in years past, but you're seeing many semi-custom builders getting rid of the guide rod (Wilson comes immediately to mind). Do they really make a difference in accuracy at all?

liliysdad
09-25-2008, 07:39
I have shot the TRP, and fondled the Valor. Until DW sees fit to offer the Valor with a light rail, its a non starter for me. Unfortunately, I really like the Valor.

I prefer a GI Guide Rod in ANY 1911.

bac1023
09-25-2008, 07:41
Bac,
After re-reading this report, I'm curious why you like the guide rod the TRP has. This is one thing I'm considering changing out to a GI style. It just seems unnecessary and makes it a pain in the butt to disassemble. I know they were all the rage in years past, but you're seeing many semi-custom builders getting rid of the guide rod (Wilson comes immediately to mind). Do they really make a difference in accuracy at all?

They don't really make much difference in accuracy. I just like the way they fit. It can be cumbersome to fieldstrip them compared to the original Browning design though.

I like bull barrels as well. They do make a difference in accuracy.

bac1023
09-25-2008, 07:43
I have shot the TRP, and fondled the Valor. Until DW sees fit to offer the Valor with a light rail, its a non starter for me. Unfortunately, I really like the Valor.

I prefer a GI Guide Rod in ANY 1911.

I always respect your opinion, as you know.

However, wouldn't a rail ruin the Valor's classy looks?

I'm not a rail guy, especially on a 1911, but it wouldn't bother me nearly as much on the TRP, as its not a real clean looking 1911 to begin with.

liliysdad
09-25-2008, 07:59
I dunno, the looks of the rail dont bother me at all, and actually like the looks to an extent. Regardless, I use my guns, and I have come to rely on a weapon mounted light to an extreme. Aesthetics come a very distant second to usefulness.

I really like the build quality of the Valor, and have always liked Dan Wesson's offerings. I have considered a Valor, and having a Dawson rail installed.

bac1023
09-25-2008, 08:01
I dunno, the looks of the rail dont bother me at all, and actually like the looks to an extent. Regardless, I use my guns, and I have come to rely on a weapon mounted light to an extreme. Aesthetics come a very distant second to usefulness.

I really like the build quality of the Valor, and have always liked Dan Wesson's offerings. I have considered a Valor, and having a Dawson rail installed.

I understand. In that case, it sounds like a nice deal with the Dawson rail. The Valor is a great 1911.

Gary1911A1
09-25-2008, 10:01
I am Left Handed. I like the look of the single sided 1911 but Ambi is sort of a necessity for anything other than a range toy. :cool:

I have Email Keith at Dan Wesson. If you want you can order the Valor with some changes and I'm sure an Ambi-Safety is one. I'm considering a Valor with Heinie Sights myself if I can just swing the money.

WellArmedSheep
09-25-2008, 10:55
Them's some fine lookin' 1911's!

bac1023
09-25-2008, 11:01
Them's some fine lookin' 1911's!

Thanks!

obxemt
12-25-2008, 16:20
Wow!

Who dug up this old thread? :dunno:

I think it needs to be resurrected AGAIN. Gotta love the search feature. :supergrin:

bac1023
12-25-2008, 20:12
I think it needs to be resurrected AGAIN. Gotta love the search feature. :supergrin:

Well its here if anyone needs it.

The comparison of these two 1911s does come up often, actually. They are in identical price ranges.

Whiskey Six
12-25-2008, 22:30
Hey Bac? I am just about ready to buy a Valor. I have found 4 in stock. But the Pointman 7 is really nice also. What, if anything sets the Valor apart from the PM7?

Thanks for your knowledge.

obxemt
12-25-2008, 22:41
The beautiful finish!!! :supergrin:

glock2740
12-25-2008, 23:31
While I do like the Valor's clean, plain look, I just love the TRP though. Now, I have never shot the Valor, so, I can't give a true comparison vote of the two. I have shot the TRP though. Going on looks alone, I'm a big fan of the plain jane looking 1911.

bac1023
12-26-2008, 07:15
Hey Bac? I am just about ready to buy a Valor. I have found 4 in stock. But the Pointman 7 is really nice also. What, if anything sets the Valor apart from the PM7?

Thanks for your knowledge.

The Valor has a ceramic finish over the stainless and a forged frame. The PM7's is cast.

remat
12-26-2008, 21:09
Nice review and great pics!! Should I come into a chunk of change it would be the Valor. Recently played with one at my local shop -- the pics do not do it justice!

bac1023
12-26-2008, 21:24
Nice review and great pics!! Should I come into a chunk of change it would be the Valor. Recently played with one at my local shop -- the pics do not do it justice!

Yeah, its a looker. :)

Cobra64
12-27-2008, 04:02
Yeah, its a looker. :)I think it will be an even better looking looker in a week or two. :supergrin:

bac1023
12-27-2008, 05:55
I think it will be an even better looking looker in a week or two. :supergrin:

Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing that one. :wow:

GroovedG19
01-09-2009, 03:07
Two stunning pistols.Thanks for sharing.

bac1023
01-09-2009, 03:46
Two stunning pistols.

Thanks G19.

1999Cobra
05-05-2009, 05:23
The Dan Wesson has more CLASS - The TRP was the 1911 that everyone had to have, and now they are OVER DONE and everywhere. -

It's obvious by DW's manufacturing scheme that they care more about QUALITY vs. QUANTITY and make sure their firearms are 100% before shipping CS is top shelf at DW -

Rinspeed
05-05-2009, 05:46
The TRP was the 1911 that everyone had to have, and now they are OVER DONE and everywhere. -



As long as they work who cares. :dunno: I was never one to fret about what others have. You can have whatever you want as long as you want it bad enough.

1999Cobra
05-05-2009, 05:59
My point is:

I don't believe you get the hands on builder specific attention DW gives it's pistols (with the Valor) with Springfield, simply because of the size difference in the companies.:cool:

(I could be wrong and stand to be corrected by someone who really knows, not the usual blowhard's and self proclaimed experts that usually troll this web site, who have only handled a Taurus PT1911 and think their the best 1911 out there:rofl: )

My understanding is - the Valor is built from start to finish by one builder (right here in NY) - does not travel the length of an assembly table, slapped together by mindless Monkey's making $3.00 and hour in Brazil, who yesterday were working the Ganja fields picking green leafy material for export to the USA through Miami ...:rofl:

BTW - as you can see in my Sig line I own two (2) Springers and love them both

jazzman
05-05-2009, 09:23
I guess I am the only one who can't get comfortable with the 20 lpi on the trp. I love the gun though.

Jazzman

Joenpb
05-05-2009, 11:12
An excellent write up & photos Bac, and I do agree with those who prefer the Valor's simplistic looks.

I have a TRP and after shooting @ 500 rds the extractor popped loose, unfortunately it isn't pinned. The weird thing was it happened right as I was finishing at the range, and as it was going to a cease fire so the rifle guys could change their targets. I quickly packed up my stuff and left. When I got home I noticed when moving the slide it had more resistance, and that one side of the ambidextrous safety had fallen off and was missing (not sure how that happened).

I brought the gun back to the dealer and he sent it back to Springfield who quickly fixed the extractor and replaced the lost side of the safety no questions asked. Springfield's customer service is top of the line in my book.

At this point I'll probably send the gun out for a "tune up", have the extractor pinned, and replace the ILS MS housing. I've already replaced the FLGR with a standard GI set up because the two pieced FLGR kept loosening up after 50 rds or so.

My TRP does have a sweet trigger and very good accuracy, although I don't doubt what Bac wrote about the Valor's trigger being better, which of course could lead it to being more accurate.

Rinspeed
05-05-2009, 11:51
I have a TRP and after shooting @ 500 rds the extractor popped loose, unfortunately it isn't pinned.




You must mean the ejector not the extractor.

Joenpb
05-05-2009, 11:58
You must mean the ejector not the extractor.


Thanks, you are correct. :supergrin:

J.Kill
05-05-2009, 13:53
Hellooooo old thread, how have you been?:supergrin::supergrin::wavey::supergrin::supergrin:

Rinspeed
05-06-2009, 10:25
My understanding is - the Valor is built from start to finish by one builder (right here in NY) - does not travel the length of an assembly table, slapped together by mindless Monkey's making $3.00 and hour in Brazil, who yesterday were working the Ganja fields picking green leafy material for export to the USA through Miami ...:rof




If the TRPs were actually made in Brazil your comment might even have some relevance to the comparison. :upeyes:

1999Cobra
05-06-2009, 11:00
"if the trp's were actually made in brazil, blah, blah, - :rofl:"

w h o - c a r e s ...!!!

eddief4
05-06-2009, 11:17
w h o - c a r e s ...!!!




relax on the springfield hate. they make a good gun so stop the bashing. it may not be as well made as the Dan Wesson.....but to quote you.....WHO CARES? if your wanting a Great Springfield, get the TRP. if you want a great Dan Wesson........get the Valor!

and what Rinspeed said, the TRP isn't made in Brazil! the frame is produced there, but guess what...it's not made like you described! so relax there sparky!

1999Cobra
05-06-2009, 11:22
relax on the springfield hate. They make a good gun so stop the bashing. It may not be as well made as the dan wesson.....but to quote you.....who cares? If your wanting a great springfield, get the trp. If you want a great dan wesson........get the valor!

And what rinspeed said, the trp isn't made in brazil! The frame is produced there, but guess what...it's not made like you described! So relax there sparky!

who - cares ...!!!

eddief4
05-06-2009, 12:47
who - cares ...!!!



:upeyes:

blackbirdzach
05-06-2009, 12:55
Nice thread bac. I've never heard of the Valor before, but I sure like that TRP!!!

1999Cobra
05-06-2009, 13:00
:upeyes:

Who - Cares ...!!!

Rinspeed
05-06-2009, 14:00
Who - Cares ...!!!



:upeyes: :upeyes:

1999Cobra
05-06-2009, 14:09
You guys are hilarious ...:rofl::rofl::rofl:

bac1023
05-06-2009, 18:00
My old thread won't die.

I think I posted it a year ago now. :supergrin:

This was the most popular of my reviews.

1999Cobra
05-07-2009, 17:23
My old thread won't die.

I think I posted it a year ago now. :supergrin:

This was the most popular of my reviews.

Yeah I liked your report so much I bought one VALOR yesterday -

Makomachine
05-07-2009, 17:25
Yeah I liked your report so much I bought one VALOR yesterday -


WHERE???? I've looked all over and found ZIPPO available!!!

bac1023
05-07-2009, 17:39
Yeah I liked your report so much I bought one VALOR yesterday -

:needspics:

Cobra64
05-07-2009, 17:41
WHERE???? I've looked all over and found ZIPPO available!!!


http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/stickyj_2053_23986177


Ya gotta be fast with the Cobra guys around. :supergrin:

Put your name on the waiting lists at Able Ammo, Bud's, and a few other places.

1999Cobra
05-07-2009, 18:02
Insider information has netted me one - as soon as I get it I will post pictures ...

Makomachine
05-07-2009, 18:35
http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/stickyj_2053_23986177


Ya gotta be fast with the Cobra guys around. :supergrin:

Put your name on the waiting lists at Able Ammo, Bud's, and a few other places.

:tongueout:

I hate you guys....no, really, I do...

templetonhal
05-07-2009, 19:32
Thanks for sharing BAC. Both are nice guns.

bac1023
05-07-2009, 20:00
Thanks for sharing BAC. Both are nice guns.

No problem.

Thanks.

M1A Shooter
12-01-2009, 23:01
revived again :tongueout:

i will be getting my TRP later this month. ive been seeing alot of the Valor lately and i really like it as well. i personally think the TRP will be a better gun for carry and such.
I also like Springfield quite a bit as i have a milspec 1911 and a M1A Scout from them.
the Valor is now on my wishlist though.

RetailNinjitsu
12-07-2009, 01:16
My old thread won't die.

I think I posted it a year ago now. :supergrin:

This was the most popular of my reviews.

We might as well keep this going...

I just can't stop readin Dan Wesson reviews. I bought and sold a ton of 1911s and never really loved any of them until I picked up the DW Heritage. Now I have a Valor on order and have a new found respect for the 1911.

I just picked up a Les Baer TRS from another GT member! I can't wait to get it so that I can compare it to the DW and do my own review...although they are not exactly at the same price point.

Keep this pics coming BAC!

Cobra64
12-07-2009, 01:41
We might as well keep this going...

I just can't stop readin Dan Wesson reviews. I bought and sold a ton of 1911s and never really loved any of them until I picked up the DW Heritage. Now I have a Valor on order and have a new found respect for the 1911.

I just picked up a Les Baer TRS from another GT member! I can't wait to get it so that I can compare it to the DW and do my own review...although they are not exactly at the same price point.

Keep this pics coming BAC!

Danny is going to be selling VBOBs in 2010. I think mine, custom ordered a year ago, ended up being their prototype. :supergrin:

GVFlyer
12-07-2009, 01:50
Bac, I've looked into the DW Valor since you recommended it to me and I like it, but my next 1911 is going to be an Ed Brown (probably this week).

I recently read a gun mag review of the Springfield TRP and the article stated that the TRP shared many of its internal components with its lessor brethren; what say you?

RetailNinjitsu
12-07-2009, 02:22
Danny is going to be selling VBOBs in 2010.

:brickwall:

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother keeping a bank account. I wonder if my FFL will accept my job's direct deposit...?

Cobra64
12-07-2009, 02:58
:brickwall:

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother keeping a bank account. I wonder if my FFL will accept my job's direct deposit...?

I wish I could relate to that... but I can't find clients with a budget to spend.

bac1023
12-07-2009, 05:25
I recently read a gun mag review of the Springfield TRP and the article stated that the TRP shared many of its internal components with its lessor brethren; what say you?

Yes, I believe so. However, that's not a bad thing.

Springfields you good quality forged parts, though soime are MIM.

You have to get a Springfield Custom 1911 to get rid of virtually all the MIM parts.

M1A Shooter
12-07-2009, 19:17
what MIM parts are in a TRP and how critical is it really to replace something MIM? i know the debate keeps going on and on, but...

engineer151515
12-07-2009, 19:23
My old thread won't die.

I think I posted it a year ago now. :supergrin:

This was the most popular of my reviews.


Really nice review, too.

Given the choice and the review - I'd have to pick that VALOR.

What a beauty.

tnhawk
12-07-2009, 19:40
Interesting report. I haven't yet seen a Valor, but really like my TRP.

bac1023
12-07-2009, 20:03
what MIM parts are in a TRP and how critical is it really to replace something MIM? i know the debate keeps going on and on, but...

I don't worry too much about MIM myself.

Once a gun costs over $2,000, MIM parts should not be there.

RMTactical
12-07-2009, 20:05
Thanks Bac!

dp509
01-23-2010, 04:44
Great Review :wavey:

up1911fan
01-23-2010, 04:49
It sure was, two years ago!

bac1023
01-23-2010, 05:20
Great Review :wavey:

It sure was, two years ago!

Thanks!

Its been a while. ;)

MacG22
01-23-2010, 06:24
Great read, Bac.

G33
01-23-2010, 06:50
:wavey::wavey:

Zombie thread.
Nice guns too.
:supergrin:

Rinspeed
01-23-2010, 07:28
:wavey::wavey:

Zombie thread.
Nice guns too.
:supergrin:



Morning G. :wavey:

Animalmother
01-23-2010, 12:32
The DW Valor is a very nice gun. If I were in the market for a 1911, it is what I would buy.

Patrick R
01-24-2010, 00:00
I just bought my TRP SS 2 weeks ago. Now has 150 rounds through it.

Looks nice, SS finished well, Shoots great. Nice light trigger.

The 2 piece recoil rod only takes a few seconds longer to remove. No biggy.

I like the ambi safty. I'm a lefty.

bac1023
01-24-2010, 07:47
Great read, Bac.

Thanks Mac. :)

Its an oldie. ;)

MacG22
01-24-2010, 11:36
Thanks Mac. :)

Its an oldie. ;)

Oh, I know. I just never read it before. At least, not that I remembered.

And zombie threads are a personal indulgence of mine.

bac1023
01-24-2010, 11:41
:wavey::wavey:

Zombie thread.
:supergrin:

Yes it is. :)

eddief4
01-24-2010, 16:56
i can haz Valor?:supergrin:

bac1023
01-24-2010, 17:12
And zombie threads are a personal indulgence of mine.


:animlol:

eXistenZ
02-01-2010, 02:13
This is my exact highly debated decision right now... TRP or Valor??? :faint:

Great read bac, thanks! I'm almost ready to flip a coin to decide. :dunno::dunno::dunno:

bac1023
02-01-2010, 05:38
Glad this old thread still helps peoploe. :)

Whiskey Six
02-01-2010, 11:32
This thread helped me!

Thanks Bac.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2825/img3788o.jpg

bac1023
02-01-2010, 21:48
That's a beautiful Valor, Whiskey. :thumbsup:

awpk03s
02-02-2010, 08:31
I'll play. I too pondered this question (TRP vs Valor) some months ago. Got directed to this review by BAC... and well the rest is history. My safe is now complete with a Dan Wesson CBOB, CCO, Valor.

Whiskey Six
02-02-2010, 11:58
That's a beautiful Valor, Whiskey. :thumbsup:

Thank you, Sir. I sure would like a CCO to go with it.:supergrin:

TrueGunNut
09-20-2010, 22:44
I remeber when this review first came out. I bought big_gun_man's Valor on here a while back. I love it. I am starting to get annoyed by these micarta grips dirtying up every time I hold the gun though. Makes my gun look dirty even after I clean it!!! >_<

Zombie Steve
09-20-2010, 23:14
Double Zombie Thread!!!!

bac1023
10-03-2010, 09:18
I remeber when this review first came out. I bought big_gun_man's Valor on here a while back. I love it. I am starting to get annoyed by these micarta grips dirtying up every time I hold the gun though. Makes my gun look dirty even after I clean it!!! >_<

Yeah, you have to take the grips off and clean them seperately, which is ridiculous.

Kingfish1
10-10-2010, 02:40
Thanks bac. Quack asked me to check out the DW Valor vs the TRP. This comparison is right on. The Valor is pretty but I'm still leaning toward the SS TRP for daily use.:thumbsup:

.45Super-Man
10-10-2010, 04:16
As usual, nice objective write up. After acquiring my first Dan Wesson recently(Pointman major)I've become a big fan! It's easily the most accurate 1911 I've ever fired.

jamaicanj
10-10-2010, 06:30
What a great writeup. Thanks Bac for sharing. I do not have a 1911 as yet and want to have a clear big picture before jumping out and buying one. I just finished reading your fantastic lengthy review that encompassed several 1911's from different price points and from that review the TRP grabbed my attention. This comparison review also is helpful in guiding me further...so thanks

All the best!

sbmohr75
01-20-2011, 20:34
My understanding is - the Valor is built from start to finish by one builder (right here in NY) - does not travel the length of an assembly table, slapped together by mindless Monkey's making $3.00 and hour in Brazil, who yesterday were working the Ganja fields picking green leafy material for export to the USA through Miami ...:rofl:

BTW - as you can see in my Sig line I own two (2) Springers and love them both

Stupid idiot.... Brazilian "monkey's" (sic) are just as skilled as American "monkeys", and many are even harder working without the sense of entitlement that a lot of fat, lazy American monkeys have. Plus, Brazil is not, nor has it ever been, a net exporter of ganja to the USA. Furthermore, former ganja field workers would not have the necessary skills or education to secure employment at Imbel. Get your facts straight before making ignorant, racist comments, jackass. Why is such blatantly racist nonsense even tolerated on this board?

bac1023
01-20-2011, 20:54
Stupid idiot.... Brazilian "monkey's" (sic) are just as skilled as American "monkeys", and many are even harder working without the sense of entitlement that a lot of fat, lazy American monkeys have. Plus, Brazil is not, nor has it ever been, a net exporter of ganja to the USA. Furthermore, former ganja field workers would not have the necessary skills or education to secure employment at Imbel. Get your facts straight before making ignorant, racist comments, jackass. Why is such blatantly racist nonsense even tolerated on this board?

Well dang, that's a hell of a way to wake my thread up from the dead.

I hope it doesn't get locked after nearly three years on the boards.

Palouse
01-21-2011, 12:39
I've been very pleased with my TRP, but the front strap is a bit rough, and I'm growing to hate the ambi safety. Thinking about putting a smaller safety lever on it. I'm used to racking the slide on Glocks and XDs that have nothing in the way, and I crack my fingers on the safety every time.

What I want to know is where that teal carpet came from. That had to have been what the tan carpet replaced, no?

Rinspeed
01-21-2011, 12:59
Stupid idiot.... Brazilian "monkey's" (sic) are just as skilled as American "monkeys", and many are even harder working without the sense of entitlement that a lot of fat, lazy American monkeys have. Plus, Brazil is not, nor has it ever been, a net exporter of ganja to the USA. Furthermore, former ganja field workers would not have the necessary skills or education to secure employment at Imbel. Get your facts straight before making ignorant, racist comments, jackass. Why is such blatantly racist nonsense even tolerated on this board?






http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Francis.jpg

38 Super Fan
01-21-2011, 17:35
I actually haven't seen this one Brian, glad it got resurrected, it's a good read. :cool:

Esox357
01-21-2011, 18:23
which one is more accurate for you?

Berto
01-21-2011, 18:52
Triple Zombied, right on.

bac1023
01-21-2011, 19:09
I actually haven't seen this one Brian, glad it got resurrected, it's a good read. :cool:

That's cool, Cody.

In that case, I'm glad you got to see it. :)

It somehow seems to pop up every few months or so. :dunno:

bac1023
01-21-2011, 19:10
Triple Zombied, right on.

:rofl:

Yeah, its been back around a few times, Berto. ;)

bac1023
01-21-2011, 19:11
What I want to know is where that teal carpet came from. That had to have been what the tan carpet replaced, no?

The teal was only in place for a few weeks or so.

It just so happened to be when this thread was written. ;)

Palouse
01-21-2011, 20:12
The teal was only in place for a few weeks or so.

It just so happened to be when this thread was written. ;)

Good, because if you look up your carpet color on Pantone's site, it's BAC1023. :supergrin:

bac1023
01-21-2011, 21:05
Good, because if you look up your carpet color on Pantone's site, it's BAC1023. :supergrin:

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Comedian
01-22-2011, 03:10
This thread helped me!

Thanks Bac.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2825/img3788o.jpg

WOW!! :wow:

bac1023
01-22-2011, 05:54
That is a nice looking Valor. :)

sbmohr75
02-18-2011, 19:09
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Francis.jpg

Well, sorry but I am originally from Brazil and I found the comment to be very rude, inaccurate, and ignorant. Brazil has many hard-working and highly educated, skilled workers. Brazil also manufactures and exports high technology such as airplanes, cars, you name it. The notion (one encountered all too often, I'm afraid) that Brazil is some backwards banana republic is just not true. Also, referring to people that most likely have some degree of African heritage as "monkeys", is highly offensive and has no place in a civilized society.

bac1023
02-18-2011, 20:41
which one is more accurate for you?

Probably the Valor, albeit very slight.

glockin-45
08-20-2011, 18:50
Yeah I liked your report so much I bought one VALOR yesterday -

Yeah-But who cares!:rofl:(you said it, not me.)

bac1023
08-20-2011, 19:01
The zombie thread is back. ;)

Tim151515
08-20-2011, 21:46
Wow. That "Valor" is sexy. I love how it doesnt have all the extra markings and stuff on the slide. It just looks very clean.

bac1023
08-20-2011, 21:57
Wow. That "Valor" is sexy. I love how it doesnt have all the extra markings and stuff on the slide. It just looks very clean.

Thanks.

I have since changed out the grips. :)


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0003_2-1.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0004_2-2.jpg

bac1023
08-20-2011, 22:03
Here are new pics of my trusty TRP...



http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/074.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/076.jpg




Although the comparison was done over three years ago, I remember it like it was yesterday.

It was a fine day of shooting with some great 1911s.



:wavey:






.

Tim151515
08-20-2011, 22:03
Thanks.

I have since changed out the grips. :)


http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0003_2-1.jpg

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr97/briancut1023/000_0004_2-2.jpg

:wow: that makes my glock 21 look so ugly its not even funny...

bac1023
08-20-2011, 22:05
:wow: that makes my glock 21 look so ugly its not even funny...

Its hard to compare the looks of a Glock and a 1911.

They're two totally different animals in every way.

Thanks for the compliments on my Valor though. :)

MadeInAmerica
03-01-2012, 20:17
I want a TRP real bad.

bac1023
03-01-2012, 20:22
I want a TRP real bad.
Its a great choice. :)

GunBugBit
06-09-2012, 17:16
I own both a TRP and a DW Valor. Both are terrific 1911s.

The TRP is the only pistol I have that has the distinction of never having any type of malfunction, regardless of which magazine or ammo I've used. The TRP's matte black Armory (Gun) Kote is great looking and very tough for finishes in that category.

The Valor has had only one malfunction, and that was during the first range session out of one of the new factory mags. Before I shot the gun, I wanted to field strip it, and found that I could not without giving it some oil first. Then it freed up and I was able to do the field strip, and I gave it some more oil. Since the one malfunction, the Valor too has been perfect with all mags and all ammo. Quite a tight gun. The Valor is slightly more accurate in my hands, and I appreciate that it has no MIM. The thick barrel bushing and heavy duty barrel link are great. The black finish (salt bath ferritic nitrocarburization, if I've got that right) is very tough. And the Heinie Straight Eight night sights are very much to my liking.

I give the edge to the Valor, but the TRP certainly does hold its own.

bac1023
06-09-2012, 19:39
I own both a TRP and a DW Valor. Both are terrific 1911s.

The TRP is the only pistol I have that has the distinction of never having any type of malfunction, regardless of which magazine or ammo I've used. The TRP's matte black Armory (Gun) Kote is great looking and very tough for finishes in that category.

The Valor has had only one malfunction, and that was during the first range session out of one of the new factory mags. Before I shot the gun, I wanted to field strip it, and found that I could not without giving it some oil first. Then it freed up and I was able to do the field strip, and I gave it some more oil. Since the one malfunction, the Valor too has been perfect with all mags and all ammo. Quite a tight gun. The Valor is slightly more accurate in my hands, and I appreciate that it has no MIM. The thick barrel bushing and heavy duty barrel link are great. The black finish (salt bath ferritic nitrocarburization, if I've got that right) is very tough. And the Heinie Straight Eight night sights are very much to my liking.

I give the edge to the Valor, but the TRP certainly does hold its own.

Cool. Thanks for your input. :cool:

deguelo
06-19-2012, 20:09
ladies and gents, we give you the only thread worthy of the title..........



QUADZOMBIE!!!!!!!



:tongueout:



regards-- deguelo

bac1023
06-19-2012, 20:57
ladies and gents, we give you the only thread worthy of the title..........



QUADZOMBIE!!!!!!!



:tongueout:



regards-- deguelo
:rofl::rofl:

I laugh every time this thread pops back to page one.

Hopefully, its helped people over the years.

Today is its 4 year anniversary. ;)