interesting video why never to talk to police

[herose]

http://www.washingtonceasefire.net/content/view/109/45/

This may belong in Gen. Non GLocking but I posted here because someone who carries may find themselves talking to police following a shooting.

Long video but interesting thoughts from a law professor and a rebuttal by a police officer.

[Sam Spade]

http://www.washingtonceasefire.net/content/view/109/45/

This may belong in Gen. Non GLocking but I posted here because someone who carries may find themselves talking to police following a shooting.

Long video but interesting thoughts from a law professor and a rebuttal by a police officer.

About 10 pages on it done in GNG.

[herose]

Well shoot...always the bridesmaid never the bride. :embarassed:

[RussP]

Well, considering the recent topics here in CI, it might be good to have it here, too.

:cool:

[blownhemi]

good video and good advice

[johnydoe]

There was a video about how to handle traffic stop situation so the police can't search your car without a cause. Does anyone have the link?

[DoubleDog]

Those were interesting videos....Thanks for posting them...

DD~

[finz50]

These are awesome videos......thanks

[FLRon777]

Another thank you for posting those informative videos. I have always heard that it is prudent to have a lawyer lined up to call should an unfortunate incident occur. This makes that advice seem like it is essential, even if you are completely innocent.

[PicklePilot]

Interesting Video.

Everyone should probably 'lawyer up' as a default measure, considering that he cops will lie, cheat, manipulate anything you say to get a case. Having a good attorney is key though, and many of them aren't.

Found it usefull to note that he lawyer stated that 'everyone is guilty of something' and that the cop stated that 'people are stupid'

Good info none the less.

[Davey`]

About 10 pages on it done in GNG.

link? i tried searching for the video url and it wouldnt work.

[shotgunred]

The local prosecuting once gave a talk in a criminal law class i was taking. the one thing that i remember to this day (15 years latter) was he could care less if you are innocent or guilty. he just cares what he can prove. if he knew you were innocent and he could prove otherwise off to jail you go.

his theory was it cleared cases and made him look good. also he is certain you are guilty of something else anyway.

[broncobilly_69]

I made it about halfway through that the other day. As a reserve PO it sounds like a bunch of crap. I've never seen in any of the Officers in my department twist things around like that guy says. Talking to the police might actually help them catch the dirtbag that committed the crime. That helps you because if he's in jail that's one less dirtbag on the street that might assault someone you care about.
I don't think I want to live my life the way a defense attorney says I should.
having clients who take his advice may make his job easier, but it doesn't make the world a better place.

[mitchshrader]

cops do a nasty job for inadequate pay, most of the time.. at least on the street. garbage collection with armed garbage.

that doesn't mean they all earn their paychecks, or all of em are good guys.

the a-holes are still a-holes, badge or not, and the good people are still good people, if the job doesn't break them in pieces.

which it often does.

that is one huge sucking festering wound of a job most places, especially inner cities.

we get, generally, a little better cops than we have any right to expect. that don't make it smart to BOTHER any of em..

and as a lifelong countercultural libertarian iconoclast.. :) ......

i OUGHT to know that not bothering cops makes A Lot Of Sense..

it ain't a guess.

These 3 rules will keep your ass out of a jam:

Don't party so much you miss work or hurt people.

Don't ever drive impaired.

Pay your bills and keep your promises.

[AZ Honkey]

These 3 rules will keep your ass out of a jam:

Don't party so much you miss work or hurt people.

Don't ever drive impaired.

Pay your bills and keep your promises.

Let me add one more:

Don't be out after midnight - for any reason (other than work).

[Sam Spade]

link? i tried searching for the video url and it wouldnt work.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=866472

[PicklePilot]

The local prosecuting once gave a talk in a criminal law class i was taking. the one thing that i remember to this day (15 years latter) was he could care less if you are innocent or guilty. he just cares what he can prove. if he knew you were innocent and he could prove otherwise off to jail you go.

his theory was it cleared cases and made him look good. also he is certain you are guilty of something else anyway.

That prosecuter probably got his law degree from a crappy college..he's a scumbag...he forgot the golden rule of 'letting a thousand guilty men go free, so that one innocent man doesn't go to jail' as was once quoted by a famous supreme court judge.

Once people stop caring, are held less accountable, and start acting more like scumbags, especialy in positions of power and authority, the system loses it's respect, they lose thier compass, and people stop taking it seriously. It's a slippery slope...if people are being thrown in a jail unjustifiably, then the gloves will come off and the system has to change...

[brandonb123]

Let me add one more:

Don't be out after midnight - for any reason (other than work).


As someone who enjoys the nightlife (in 24 and single) I think your taking the rules to live by one rule too far. Many a night i will go to the local drinking establishment unarmed as i cannot carry while impaired and engage in good clean fun until the wee hours and catch a taxi home. Trying to be home before midnight or any pre determined hour is to live in fear, i am no more guilty of a crime i did not commit at 2 in the afternoon than i am at 2 in the morning. So i refute your fourth rule in exchange for my fourth rule that is always be a good person 24 hours of the day ( and never talk to the police) lolz.

-Peace

[Dean]

Midnight?
Either I'm working or I'm in by ten o'clock every night.
Out late at night is a whole different thing from the daytime.
Usually I'm in by seven at night. That helps greatly to avoid trouble.
I'm not kidding. These are bloody dangerous times.

[cowboywannabe]

so if i made a video of Officer Freindly vs. the Lieing Layer who thinks the Taliban is kind to women will i have the same blind following?

[johnydoe]

There was a video about how to handle traffic stop situation so the police don't search your car without a cause. Does anyone have the link?

[Sam Spade]

There was a video about how to handle traffic stop situation so the police don't search your car without a cause. Does anyone have the link?

Cliff's Notes: "Sir, I will not resist, but I do not consent to any search." Repeat as required.


It's not rocket surgery, don't make too much of it.

[1canvas]

outstanding video. i would not have seen it if it wasn't here, i mostly visit gen. glocking and carry. thanks

[series1811]

The local prosecuting once gave a talk in a criminal law class i was taking. the one thing that i remember to this day (15 years latter) was he could care less if you are innocent or guilty. he just cares what he can prove. if he knew you were innocent and he could prove otherwise off to jail you go.

his theory was it cleared cases and made him look good. also he is certain you are guilty of something else anyway.


It's sad to think how many people are reading this and going, "Yeah, yeah, that's right.".

I'll bet you had a criminal defense attorney giving that speech and weren't sharp enough to know the difference.

[Renny]

Bumped so I can self-search for this topic later. Very important. I want to share it.

R

[Glockinhand]

Cliff's Notes: "Sir, I will not resist, but I do not consent to any search." Repeat as required.


It's not rocket surgery, don't make too much of it.

I had a question about saying this. If you are standing outside your car and give the "I do not consent" line, and then the cop says "give me your keys" because he needs to get in your car to move it out of the road or something, is the search still legal?

[Dragoon44]

What I find more than a little amusing is how the same people that say the cops are liars hold the words of the EX cop on the video as being the gospel truth.

The Ex cop going to be a defense liar...uh...lawyer, is now absolutely trustworthy.


:rofl::rofl:

[J.P.]

FWIW, I think this video is a bit over the top.
I'm not sure that completely clamming up is the best policy in every situation.
Like with so many things, it's largely dependent on the particular situation...

What I find more than a little amusing is how the same people that say the cops are liars hold the words of the EX cop on the video as being the gospel truth.

The Ex cop going to be a defense liar...uh...lawyer, is now absolutely trustworthy.


:rofl::rofl:
+1

Interesting Video.

Everyone should probably 'lawyer up' as a default measure, considering that he cops will lie, cheat, manipulate anything you say to get a case. Having a good attorney is key though, and many of them aren't.

Found it usefull to note that he lawyer stated that 'everyone is guilty of something' and that the cop stated that 'people are stupid'

Good info none the less.

Wow!
I'm not convinced that we should give much, if any, creedence to the opinion of someone who makes such an incredible and sweeping statement about any particular profession.