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HerrGlock
06-20-2008, 08:01
http://www.gazette.com/opinion/drunks_37497___article.html/price_failure.html
UNARMED ADULTS COULDN'T HELP

It's a shame a cop shot and killed a 27-year-old man who was busy stomping and punching a toddler to death June 15 in Stanislaus County, Calif. It's tragic because someone else should have stopped the killer before police arrived on the scene. The police were too late, and the baby died.

That's not to criticize the cops. Most would move mountains to get to a child in peril. Few would wince at shooting a child killer. But they will almost always be too late to counter violent crime in progress.

Ordinary folks, however, stumble on violent crime more often. The child died because nobody on scene was able to do anything useful. At least three people stopped their cars and tried to intervene, but the baby killer was too strong, too hostile and too charged with adrenaline for the passersby to overpower him. None was equipped to do what the cop did.

Colorado has a shall-issue law that requires sheriffs to issue concealed carry permits to nearly anyone who applies. California does not, but it should.

In Stanislaus County the sheriff 's department issues permits only to special people who can show "good cause." To qualify, an applicant must prove that he or she "is in greater peril of criminal victimization than the average citizen and/or for whom professional law enforcement assistance is unreasonably diffcult to obtain given their particular circumstances." It probably doesn't hurt to be wealthy or well-conected, either. It's a law that reflects old-school thinking about law and order, ignoring the fact that more guns mean less crime.

The "good cause" policy is most unfortunate, and it probably reduced this baby's chances at life. A better reason to qualify a citizen for a permit is the mere possibility he or she may come upon some maniac beating a child along the road. Or, the possibility of the applicant happening upon a violent rape. Or the possibility of the applicant being raped.

It's not unusual for just plain ordinary folks, like those who wanted to stop the brutal murder of a child, to find themselves needing guns. That's why more states need shall-issue laws like Colorado's, freeing up citizens to carry weapons without having to prove special status. Law-abiding citizens shouldn't have to explain why they want or need to carry weapons in their cars, purses or hidden holsters.

Passersby almost always stumble on crime scenes before cops arrive. If just one is properly prepared and equipped, he or she might be able to save a life.


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Yellowfin
06-20-2008, 14:20
That needs to appear in a CA newspaper where it can be read by 20 million people.

Dean
06-20-2008, 14:34
A committed killer.
A please wait, somebody call the police disarmed society.
A child murdered in front of a group of people.
These killers are committed and they'll prevail if they're not stopped.
What's the answer? You make the call.
I stay out of California. Too many fruits and nuts, and they won't let me carry my gun.

literaltrance
06-20-2008, 14:39
This is sickening. I know what I'm about to say doesn't necessarily relate to carry issues, but if I saw this, I'm certain of two things:

-I could not live with the guilt of allowing this to happen
-witnesses would see a side of me that is NOT me

Carrying or not, I would make absolutely sure this monster would have to divert his attention from a defenseless child to me.

Patronus
06-20-2008, 23:00
That was a good read. Kudos to the author.

literaltrance -- AMEN.

svilla
06-20-2008, 23:40
Carrying or not, I would make absolutely sure this monster would have to divert his attention from a defenseless child to me.

+1,000,000

I was so mad when I read the original story. I was not prepaird for it, the title said "would you shoot". I was so pissed off at the original poster. I am a new father, and that story hits really close to home for me.

I can not fathom the fact that no one could stop this from happening, with or with out a gun. :steamed:

Bozz
06-21-2008, 00:04
This makes me ILL. I think I would have used anything/everything within my reach to stop this madman from killing a child. I have no idea what kind of fortitude he had, but I can assure you that he would not have been beating the child to death the whole time... he would of had to beat ME to death as well.

Where I live (FL), he would have been seeing if he liked the taste of 147gr. P+P rounds hitting his body/head if I were in range.

Bozz

magiaaron
06-21-2008, 01:43
Wow. That is truly something else. I can't imagine not being able to stop him in some way (even if unarmed). It's horrible to read such things.

-magiaaron

glaze22
06-21-2008, 09:55
I guess a big rock in the back of the head would not work, or a tire iron in the car, or even a pen? Now I was not there, but if I was and was not armed with a gun, I sure would have found something to take this guy out with!!

jhoagland
06-21-2008, 16:08
This is sickening. I know what I'm about to say doesn't necessarily relate to carry issues, but if I saw this, I'm certain of two things:

-I could not live with the guilt of allowing this to happen
-witnesses would see a side of me that is NOT me

Carrying or not, I would make absolutely sure this monster would have to divert his attention from a defenseless child to me.

F'n A! I wouldn't care if it was Frankenstien's monster I'd get his attention.

Iron Elvis
06-21-2008, 21:54
+1,000,000

I was so mad when I read the original story. I was not prepaird for it, the title said "would you shoot". I was so pissed off at the original poster. I am a new father, and that story hits really close to home for me.

I can not fathom the fact that no one could stop this from happening, with or with out a gun. :steamed:I'm with you brother..He'd have to kill me first,and If I were carrying(as usual)he'd be toting some 125grn Corbons in a heartbeat

Timberwulf
06-21-2008, 22:27
There's a reason I have a 4-D Cell MagLite under my carseat. There are times where you can't have your gun on you, but you might need to deal with something just like this.

odesskiy
06-22-2008, 01:20
You see, each and every one of us can agree that we would do anything within our power to try and stop the monster, no matter what the outcome would be. But you have to remember, we are the people that made a concisous decision to carry a gun in order to be able to defend ourselves, our loved once and in this case an innocent child. It's unfortunate and tragic that none of the sheepdogs happened to be passing by that day, only the sheep...

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