+p+ not for g19 ?!

[geofri]

is this true?
I read in an online document that while +p cycled fine,
+p+ was over the top, and malfunctioned several times in the g19, but worked fine in the g17.

I cant find the document, but ill post is as soon as i do.


Andy

[Glockdude1]

Glocks can eat any ammo you care to feed it, no problem.

:cool:

[Fiery Red XIII]

Some G19's are picky. I've had 0 problems w/any ammo except Federal HST's (do a search for that mess). I've shot lots of regular and +p loads, but haven't shot any +p+

Red

[Boris Bush]

Dont tell my G19 that, it loves 124 +P+ hydrashoks......

:dunno:

[kirgi08]

Glocks can eat any ammo you care to feed it, no problem.

:cool:

AMEN!!!!!! I've run Cor-bon +p+ in my G19.They were 115grn.I had good results no malfs/FTF-FTEs at all.I've run them thru my BHP/Same result.

I now run 147grn SXTs in all my 9mm/period.'08.

[legion3]

I have 4 Glock 19's (3 2nd gens and 1 3rd gen) All eat Win 127 +P+ with no problems and no phase 3 malfunctions...

Guess mine didn't get the memo...

[smoke]

I've shot FED 124gr+P+ HS, WIN 127gr+P+ RT, and FED 115gr+P+JHP (9BPLE) in my G19's without any issues.

[Rugby]

I'll go out on a limb and say that I have fired more +P+ ammo through my G19 (and other models of 9mm) than any other GT member. There is/has been no visible wear and no malfunction that was not shooter induced.

[FatBoy]

My 19 loves Fed 9BPLE 115+P+

FB

[legion3]

This is the article in question;

http://www.glockworld.com/articles/9mmhistory.htm


and the specific section;

Glock is even more positive and states that its guns are designed for continuous use with NATO ammunition and, therefore, may be used with +P+ because, "This type of ammunition does not exceed maximum NATO specification pressure levels and is totally compatible to be used in Glock pistols."

In an effort to evaluate the differences between standard and +P+ loads, samples of each were fired in Glock 17 and 19 pistols. As expected the slightly shorter barrel of the Glock 19 produced somewhat lower velocities, but the gun, which had previously been 100% reliable with a wide variety of ammunition, began to experience some malfunctions when shooting any of the +P+ loads. Sometimes the slide failed to go completely into battery, and it was felt that the slide rebounded out of battery in a whiplash response to the higher recoil. Thorough cleaning and lubrication did not relieve the problem. But when shooting standard ammunition, the pistol resumed its previous faultless level of reliability. No malfunctions occurred with the Glock 17, regardless of ammunition. M882 ball ammunition was fired in both guns without malfunctions. The results of the shooting tests are shown in Table 2 {at the end of this document).

Try to avoid whiplash...that's good advice on so many levels.
And a thorough cleaning and lubrication usually relieves my problems...

[93GT]

They work fine in my old 19 and my new 26

[geofri]

Whew! *exhales*

thanks guys! how silly of me!

good tracking work legion3, that was indeed the article.

but whiplash? is that another term for limpwristing?

[Merkavaboy]

This is the article in question;

http://www.glockworld.com/articles/9mmhistory.htm


and the specific section;

Glock is even more positive and states that its guns are designed for continuous use with NATO ammunition and, therefore, may be used with +P+ because, "This type of ammunition does not exceed maximum NATO specification pressure levels and is totally compatible to be used in Glock pistols."

In an effort to evaluate the differences between standard and +P+ loads, samples of each were fired in Glock 17 and 19 pistols. As expected the slightly shorter barrel of the Glock 19 produced somewhat lower velocities, but the gun, which had previously been 100% reliable with a wide variety of ammunition, began to experience some malfunctions when shooting any of the +P+ loads. Sometimes the slide failed to go completely into battery, and it was felt that the slide rebounded out of battery in a whiplash response to the higher recoil. Thorough cleaning and lubrication did not relieve the problem. But when shooting standard ammunition, the pistol resumed its previous faultless level of reliability. No malfunctions occurred with the Glock 17, regardless of ammunition. M882 ball ammunition was fired in both guns without malfunctions. The results of the shooting tests are shown in Table 2 {at the end of this document).

Try to avoid whiplash...that's good advice on so many levels.
And a thorough cleaning and lubrication usually relieves my problems...

Problem with this article are numerous.

Was the G19 they used new right out of the box?

If not, how many rounds had been put through said pistol without ever having the recoil spring replaced? 25K? 30K? 50K?

If the pistol is having slide "rebound" problems, did the author(s) of the article replace the recoil spring with a new one or one with a heavier # weight and then resume their testing?

Were they shooting the pistols in a strong isosceles stance with a good crush grip on the pistol or were they "babying" the pistols with a modified or radical Chapman stance? Either one could make a difference in how the pistols function.

And what's the biggie about M882 ball? Not exactly a smokin' hot round (be it Winchester or Federal made). Some of the standard ball ammo from foreign manufacturers are hotter than U.S. M882 ball.

As an added note, GLOCK 9mm's are rated for ANY factory loaded ammo from ANY country that is currently making 9mm ammo. The G17 and G19 are NATO STANAG rated and are capable of shooting what ever ammo foreign purchasers use, whether indigenously produced or purchased from another country.

[legion3]

the view that +P+ is no good in the G19 has been ...

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x49/roman3/Military/ouch.jpg

[FatBoy]

Well, I'll add that my 19 developed issues w/ 124+p GDs, was fine w/ standard 115 FMJs. Traced issue to an old mag spring in a 1st gen mag. Replaced w/ wolff +10%(could have been +5%) and the gun was back to 100%.

FB

[WIG19]

...and it was felt that the slide rebounded out of battery in a whiplash response to the higher recoil.Horsehockey!Try to avoid whiplash...that's good advice on so many levels.Securing the human solidly to the gun is quite often a cure for whiplash, aka limpwristing.
:upeyes:

(Yes, my G19 eats everything from Blazer to 9BPLE, no issues, just like my 26 and 17.)

:patriot:

[legion3]

Well, I'll add that my 19 developed issues w/ 124+p GDs, was fine w/ standard 115 FMJs. Traced issue to an old mag spring in a 1st gen mag. Replaced w/ wolff +10%(could have been +5%) and the gun was back to 100%.

FB

Well then your G19 didn't develop any issues you mag did :whistling:

And we are talking about +P+ nor some weak watered down +P, get with the program :supergrin:

[bac1023]

is this true?
I read in an online document that while +p cycled fine,
+p+ was over the top, and malfunctioned several times in the g19, but worked fine in the g17.

I cant find the document, but ill post is as soon as i do.


Andy

Should be no problem.

[smoke]

This is the article in question;

http://www.glockworld.com/articles/9mmhistory.htm


and the specific section;

Glock is even more positive and states that its guns are designed for continuous use with NATO ammunition and, therefore, may be used with +P+ because, "This type of ammunition does not exceed maximum NATO specification pressure levels and is totally compatible to be used in Glock pistols."

In an effort to evaluate the differences between standard and +P+ loads, samples of each were fired in Glock 17 and 19 pistols. As expected the slightly shorter barrel of the Glock 19 produced somewhat lower velocities, but the gun, which had previously been 100% reliable with a wide variety of ammunition, began to experience some malfunctions when shooting any of the +P+ loads. Sometimes the slide failed to go completely into battery, and it was felt that the slide rebounded out of battery in a whiplash response to the higher recoil. Thorough cleaning and lubrication did not relieve the problem. But when shooting standard ammunition, the pistol resumed its previous faultless level of reliability. No malfunctions occurred with the Glock 17, regardless of ammunition. M882 ball ammunition was fired in both guns without malfunctions. The results of the shooting tests are shown in Table 2 {at the end of this document).

Try to avoid whiplash...that's good advice on so many levels.
And a thorough cleaning and lubrication usually relieves my problems...

I'd say there was something else that actually caused the problem and not the ammo. Weak recoil spring or weak mag spring are most likely.

I don't run stock recoil rod/spring assys in any of my G's and bump up the spring rate according to the ammo that I carry.