Transitioning to the 10mm

[Sandlapper77]

How much difference is there between the recoil of the 10mm vs. other handgun cartridges? Is it really the bear that some people make it out to be?

[Brass Nazi]

10mm auto recoil is not harsh at all. If you can shoot a .45ACP well you can shoot a 10mm well.

[Preußen]

9mm felt recoil= wimpy


.40 S&W recoil= you know you're shooting it



.45 ACP recoil= brisk




10mm recoil= http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4287/nukegifzz5.gif

[MOHAA Player]

How much difference is there between the recoil of the 10mm vs. other handgun cartridges? Is it really the bear that some people make it out to be?

Depends on the loads you select to shoot.You can shot 10mm factory stuff that's downloaded to 40cal power and carry the hot stuff for self defense or go even hotter for a woods/trail defense weapon against 4 legged BG's.If your in a gunfight which would be 7ft to 15ft max I doubt you'll notice the recoil difference from a 9mm 124gr +p load to a 10mm 180gr DT load.I was going to trade my G20 but couldn't do it,it's not my carry gun but if I want I can use it for everything from range shooting up to woods self defense.9mm +p+ rounds have more recoil then factory downloaded 10mm rounds.
MOHAA

[glock20c10mm]

I'm with what's been posted thus far, except for PreuBen's post, where the animation is the result of someone being shot by a 10mm round, not recoil.

[fredj338]

Depends on the platform, but in the 1911, I rate the full power 10mm (175grWWSTHP, Dt, etc.) about like 45acp+p loads. Managable w/ practice. In the heavy 1006, pretty close to std. 45acp in a 1911.

[Sandlapper77]

Thanks for the replies. I guess I'll go with the G20 after all. :cool:

[TripleDigitRide]

Very good choice. The 10mm isn't for everyone, but it's not that bad. I don't have a G20, but I'm able to handle my Colt DE just fine. If you can afford to shoot it, I'm sure you'll love it.

[Glolt20-91]

I practice with carry loads in my G20/6", 180gr Golden Sabers - 1380fps chrono. Top to bottom, G20/KKM 6", Colt .38Super, Springer GI .45auto;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/Barriertesting10mm38super45acp038.jpg

Unsupported chambers can cause some nasty problems, this once fired casing could not be re-sized because of its very large bulge;

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/10mmbulgedcase004.jpg

I had high hopes for the 10mm, but after several thousand rounds of testing various calibers in all sorts of media/barriers; I didn't come to the conclusion that the 10mm would be more effective than the 1911s in either .38Super/.45auto.

The chrono difference between the 6" barrel and the 4.6" barrel is about 100fps+ chrono. Bring the same 180gr GS (as an example) down to 1275fps chrono and its performance is like .40S&W. As another example, I've handloaded 165gr Gold Dots fired from a Beretta 96 (3N38 w/no pressure signs) that nearly match advertised DT MV from a G29. Those who have chronoed the DT ammo generally state the advertised MV is a little on the generous side.

For me the bottom line is a bullet that hits hard, penetrates, expands reliably w/o deflection from a platform that gives excellent accuracy and split times. After about 1500 rounds through the G20, I simply can't match the split times or accuracy of other platforms/calibers. When I can manipulate powders for a M29 Mountain/300gr Sierra JSP (1100fps chrono) that matches G20 split times, why carry the 10mm?
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/44magcinderblocksend.jpg

Bob

[Keoking]

I have a G30 45aco and G29 10mm. I've shot a variety of target and self defense loads through the G30, including Doubletap's variety pack and my handloads (medium to low hot). I've shot some wimpy Georgia Arms, Doubletap, and my nuclear handloads throug the G29.

Medium loads are medium loads in both. Very controllable and pleasant to shoot. Very hot loads in the G29 have a lot more recoil than the G30, for both my own and Doubletap. I would be comfortable taking just about any 45acp load into a fight with a G30. The G29 is another story. My nuclear loads are accurate, so long as I have a solid 2 handed grip and stance. If I tried to shoot off hand or on the run, I would have a nice imprint of the rear sight in the middle of my forehead.

[jbremount]

How much difference is there between the recoil of the 10mm vs. other handgun cartridges? Is it really the bear that some people make it out to be?




From my experiences, if you compare similar guns like the G30 and G29, the glock 29(10mm) recoils much more than the glock 30(45acp). The Glock 30 is a very soft shooter and easier to shoot accurately. If the 10mm is downloaded, then you may as well get a 40 caliber pistol. I would rent/borrow ,whatever, a 10mm and see for yourself if you like shooting full power 10mm loads. I would also consider ammo cost.

[MSgt Dotson]

The 10mm is a great dual purpose round for both hunting and possible defensive use, but, (just my opinion) , in it's full power loadings (180 gr @1200+ fps), is really 'too much of a good thing' compared to the .45 ACP.

The .40 S&W, with loadings of 180 gr @970 fps is better suited for defensive use against 2 leggers....; 250 fps more velocity only generates more recoil than needed.

[SDGlock23]

The 10mm is a good cartridge, even if it is expensive and doesn't come in nearly as many varieties as other much more well known SD cartridges. Even in full power, recoil isn't bad at all. Anyone who would end up with a mark on their forehead due to full-power 10mm recoil must be either phenomenally limp wristed and/or limp elbowed. That or they hold the gun up next to their forehead beforehand. I can honestly say that I've shot .40's that recoil more.

[intheburbs]

The G20 shoots almost as softly as the G21.

The only exception would be if you're shooting hot loads like DT. My favorite is the DT 135-grain Nosler. With these loads, my G20 is more of a handful, but it's a lot more fun, too. Accuracy is quite good.

Plus, it's amusing that every time I've fired this thing at the range, at least one person comes up to me asking "What the heck caliber are you shooting?"

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s146/variseal/DSC00455.jpg

[SAWMAN]

There is only 3 people in the world that can shoot a 10mm well. Me, Da "Nuge", and The Gunny. The rest of the world cannot handle the raw power produced by this loading. This is what the 9mm weapons were developed for. For the "other" people.

Well......maybe not.

As stated above,I feel that anyone that can shoot(well) a .45ACP can easily handle a 10mm,full power.

I own a G20 and several 1911's. To me, the G20 with Double Tap ammo is easier on the hand/wrist/arm,than the 1911's with the +P stuff.

Several things to consider. There is more blast with the 10mm. Sound(db level) and over pressure. This makes any weapon feel like it has more recoil. The recoil of my G20 is(to me)snappier than a .45ACP. But NOT greater.

Remember also that the polymer frame(and other parts) of the G20 will flex to a certin degree. This distributes the shock over a longer period of time. Also the G20's grip is larger than the typical 1911. This also distributes the shock over more surface of your hand,thus reducing the felt recoil.

Before switching to the 10mm,consider also the cost of ammo. How much will you shoot and/or practice. To me the(any) 10mm is not a plinker. It's for serious stuff only. If your gonna do alot of paper punching or shooting plastic bottles at the range,a .45ACP would be better suited. Basically,a .45ACP will save you lots of money,especially with the military ball type of stuff,bought in bulk.

I love my 10mm("Kermit The Hunter"). I slip in the 6" OEM bbl and I can kill anything that I want to kill.

Another thought would be a Glock 21 along with .45 Super ammo. Then you could go back to ACP whenever you wanted too.

I have seen lots of people that contemplate getting a 10mm but end up buying something else. They always seem to regret it.

Think long and hard about your choices. Tell us what you decide. Good luck.

[Glolt20-91]

Sawman, interesting you should bring up the decible issue. About a year ago there were several posts about noise levels shooting inside homes and permanent hearing loss. Being a rather curious kinda guy and working w/i tight safety margins; I tested a full load 10mm/175gr Silvertip/1400fps/10.1grs 800X w/o hearing protection in a bedroom. Furniture and beds break up sound waves, no ringing ears and in a few minutes ears were back to 100%. (I've been in enough automatic weapons live fire situations that one round wasn't going to affect my hearing; however, others should be prudent and use hearing protection).

Here's a pic of the same load, night time signature is very subdued from the shooter's position;
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o144/aztrekker/At%20the%20range/10mm175grSilvertip10gr800X6.jpg

Nice response SAWMAN :thumbsup:

Bob :cowboy:

[Sandlapper77]

Thanks for all the replies. I think that I can use my 19 and 30 for low(er) cost practice, plinking, etc. and shoot the 20 just enough to keep familiar with the extra recoil. That's the plan anyhow. This might be the excuse I need to get into reloading. :whistling:

The reason I've been considering getting a 10mm (aside from just wanting to get one) is that I spend a good bit of time outdoors in a fairly rural area and want something that is powerful and flat-shooting. I know it's highly unlikely to have to shoot out to distance but it would be comforting to know that you can.

[glockman23]

The .45 ACP is more a "push" recoil. 10mm I've heard is a "wrist snap" (upward) recoil like the .40 but more severe. I'm personally more accurate w/ .40 over 9mm. I'm sure I'd be more accurate with 10mm over .45.

[J.P.]

The G20 shoots almost as softly as the G21.

The only exception would be if you're shooting hot loads like DT.
I agree 100% with those points.

[J.P.]

I'm personally more accurate w/ .40 over 9mm.
Dude, that's like impossible!
(haven't you heard?) :supergrin:

Interstingly, I've scored consistantly higher with .40 in IDPA than with 9mm in alike platforms.....can't really explain why, but some would have you believe it isn't true at all.
To them I say: :upeyes:

[vetteman]

10mm double tap loads up to 200 grain really aren't that difficult to handle with the G20. I found the recoil and noise level about similar to what I get firing 240 grain in my much heavier 44 magnum revolver. Cost of ammo is the only real limitation with 10mm. So I do not use my G20 for plinking practice but I certainly would if I could. :supergrin:

[vetteman]

The .45 ACP is more a "push" recoil. 10mm I've heard is a "wrist snap" (upward) recoil like the .40 but more severe. I'm personally more accurate w/ .40 over 9mm. I'm sure I'd be more accurate with 10mm over .45.

I wouldn't say wrist snap on the G20, the recoil is felt more straight back as the slide moves back then the barrel rises in the final part of the felt recoil in a controlled manner not a snap. The heavy slide moving back on the G20 really dampens the recoil. At least this has been my experience.

[Big Dale]

I have been enjoyng my Glock 20 for about a decade and a half now. I find the recoil feels much less than with my Blackhawk in 41 mag. Both are a bunch of fun to shoot. I reload more for the 41 mag than the Glock 20. Both can be kind of loud, but then that is the way you get after shooting Magnum handguns for several decades.

Big Dale

[shark_za]

An alloy 38 with 158gr +P kicks a LOT more than my G20 with 175gr Silvertips.

[degoodman]

Thanks for all the replies. I think that I can use my 19 and 30 for low(er) cost practice, plinking, etc. and shoot the 20 just enough to keep familiar with the extra recoil. That's the plan anyhow. This might be the excuse I need to get into reloading. :whistling:

The reason I've been considering getting a 10mm (aside from just wanting to get one) is that I spend a good bit of time outdoors in a fairly rural area and want something that is powerful and flat-shooting. I know it's highly unlikely to have to shoot out to distance but it would be comforting to know that you can.


This is kinda exactly what you don't want to do.

if you're planning on shooting and carrying full power loads, you're going to have to spend some time shooting them, at least until you get over the hump in terms of proficiency. And to do it right, you're talking a couple thousand rounds. Your 19 and 30, while they're Glocks, are not the same size frames, nor do they shoot with the recoil of a 20. trigger time is trigger time and all, but you'll need more time with the hitters than I think you're planning on.

Second, like most people, you're estimates of what constitutes "powerful" and "flat shooting" are pretty well off. Looking at the extremes in terms of drop, .45 ACP and 10mm, with a 25 yard zero, a .45 is a foot low at almost exactly 100 yards. The "flat shooting 10mm"....wait for it...115 yards. Most people have trouble extimating range +/- 10 yards by 100 without good references, so they're effectively the same "out there".

And for power, full tilt boogie 10mm loads are doing about 800 FPE at the muzzle. By 100 yards, that's down to about 450. Some of the hotter .357 magnum loads can start at 700+ when loaded for the right handguns with 170 or 180 grain bullets, and at 100 yards they're still carrying 525 because of the higher ballistic coefficients.

I'm not saying that the 10mm sucks or anything, but lets not make it out to be something that it isn't. It's a stout "service class" cartridge, or a light hunter. With the right bullets and hunting capable handguns, the 10mm just barely outpaces the .357 magnum, and in some guns like 12" T/C's or something like that even that isn't true, and with the heaviest loads you can stuff into it, and those are ALL handloads or very expensive custom loads, it just barely gets you to middle of the road loads in .41 magnum. and at 100 yards the accuracy of a Glock is going to be nowhere near what a decent revolver in a hunting caliber can bring to the table.

If you want a 10mm, buy a 10mm. But don't try and justify it to yourself with the common internet tripe, because at the end of the day most of the claims don't hold water.

[glock2740]

A G20 just has a way of kicking back into you're arm. Not really raising the muzzle. It's hard to explain, but shooting fullhouse DT ammo out of my G20 doesn't bother me in the least. Some people just make a big deal out of recoil. Like the people I have heard say that a 44 magnum almost flew out there hands or hit them in the head. They need not shoot a 460S&W if a 44 freaks 'em out.:freak:

[vetteman]

This is kinda exactly what you don't want to do.

if you're planning on shooting and carrying full power loads, you're going to have to spend some time shooting them, at least until you get over the hump in terms of proficiency. And to do it right, you're talking a couple thousand rounds. Your 19 and 30, while they're Glocks, are not the same size frames, nor do they shoot with the recoil of a 20. trigger time is trigger time and all, but you'll need more time with the hitters than I think you're planning on.

Second, like most people, you're estimates of what constitutes "powerful" and "flat shooting" are pretty well off. Looking at the extremes in terms of drop, .45 ACP and 10mm, with a 25 yard zero, a .45 is a foot low at almost exactly 100 yards. The "flat shooting 10mm"....wait for it...115 yards. Most people have trouble extimating range +/- 10 yards by 100 without good references, so they're effectively the same "out there".

And for power, full tilt boogie 10mm loads are doing about 800 FPE at the muzzle. By 100 yards, that's down to about 450. Some of the hotter .357 magnum loads can start at 700+ when loaded for the right handguns with 170 or 180 grain bullets, and at 100 yards they're still carrying 525 because of the higher ballistic coefficients.

I'm not saying that the 10mm sucks or anything, but lets not make it out to be something that it isn't. It's a stout "service class" cartridge, or a light hunter. With the right bullets and hunting capable handguns, the 10mm just barely outpaces the .357 magnum, and in some guns like 12" T/C's or something like that even that isn't true, and with the heaviest loads you can stuff into it, and those are ALL handloads or very expensive custom loads, it just barely gets you to middle of the road loads in .41 magnum. and at 100 yards the accuracy of a Glock is going to be nowhere near what a decent revolver in a hunting caliber can bring to the table.

If you want a 10mm, buy a 10mm. But don't try and justify it to yourself with the common internet tripe, because at the end of the day most of the claims don't hold water.

The 10mm drops less than 2" at 100 yards, that's pretty darn flat for a semi auto. How can it drop another 10" in just 15 more yards?

http://www.glockfaq.com/cartridge.htm

I also disagree with the energy loss at 100 yards, it is a lot less than what he states. Only the worst least powerful downgraded 10mm ammo would perform as he states.

[degoodman]

The 10mm drops less than 2" at 100 yards, that's pretty darn flat for a semi auto. How can it drop another 10" in just 15 more yards?

http://www.glockfaq.com/cartridge.htm

I also disagree with the energy loss at 100 yards, it is a lot less than what he states. Only the worst least powerful downgraded 10mm ammo would perform as he states.

And what evidence do they provide to back up this 2" drop claim?

Lets look at how the calculated ballistics tables shake out for an example of the listed loads.

Consider a 175 Grain hollow point at 1290 FPS, with a ballistic coefficient of approximately .14 (generalized HP, but it's in the right neighborhood...)

Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 1290 -0.5 0 0 647 0
10 1251 -0.14 0.16 0.03 608 0.49
20 1219 0.02 0.53 0.05 577 0.67
30 1188 -0.07 1.14 0.08 548 0.96
40 1159 -0.41 2 0.1 522 1.35
50 1133 -1 3.12 0.13 499 1.85
60 1109 -1.87 4.51 0.15 478 2.44
70 1087 -3.02 6.18 0.18 459 3.13
80 1067 -4.46 8.14 0.21 442 3.91
90 1048 -6.21 10.42 0.24 427 4.78
100 1030 -8.28 13.01 0.27 412 5.74
110 1014 -10.68 15.93 0.3 400 6.78
120 999 -13.4 19.18 0.33 388 7.89
130 984 -16.49 22.79 0.36 376 9.08
140 971 -19.93 26.75 0.39 366 10.35
150 958 -23.74 31.09 0.42 357 11.68

I know that formats horribly on screen, but if you read it carefully, you'll notice that with a 25 yard zero, which is what most service handguns are regulated to, you're 8" low at 100 yards, and you cross 12" low between 110 and 115 yards.

Lets take this the other direction. the velocity to maintain a 2" drop with a corresponding rise above muzzle of no more than 2" too, because who cares if it's only 2 inches down it it had to fly 8" high to get there...

Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 1900 -0.5 0 0 1403 0
10 1838 -0.06 0.08 0.02 1313 0.48
20 1785 0.28 0.27 0.04 1238 0.61
30 1733 0.51 0.56 0.05 1167 0.83
40 1683 0.62 0.97 0.07 1101 1.13
50 1634 0.61 1.5 0.09 1038 1.52
60 1586 0.48 2.16 0.11 977 2
70 1539 0.2 2.96 0.13 920 2.58
80 1494 -0.23 3.91 0.15 867 3.26
90 1450 -0.82 5.02 0.17 817 4.05
100 1408 -1.56 6.29 0.19 770 4.93
110 1367 -2.48 7.73 0.21 726 5.93
120 1328 -3.6 9.37 0.23 685 7.03
130 1291 -4.91 11.2 0.25 648 8.24
140 1257 -6.41 13.23 0.28 614 9.56
150 1223 -8.15 15.49 0.3 581 10.99

There, you can just do it with a 75 yard zero, and a 1900 FPS muzzle velocity. Know any production 10mm's that are up to that?

Oh, and there are energies in those calculations too. at 100 yards, no matter what your muzzle velocity, with most handgun bullets you're going to have lost between 1/3 and 1/2 of your initial energy.

If you can point to any set of published or calculated balistics that have an attainable muzzle velocity as their basis, I'll eat a healthy dose of crow. But if you're using any service type semi auto, with safely loaded ammunition (hodgdon for example does not publish any loads that reach the claimed velocities from that table on the glockfaq) and a normal sight configuration, what I'm telling you is the flat truth.

[vetteman]

Everything I've read says 10mm is still above 500 FPE at 100 yards, more than 45 ACP at the muzzle. I've seen the ~ 2" reference in other places also but I am not sure where it originated. There is a 135 grain round by double tap that has a claimed muzzle velocity of 1600 fps. That's pushing the territory of 1900 fps. If you run the math on that what would be the approximate result at 100 yards? Anyone have a machine rest to hold a G20 and a laser sight calibrated to 100 yards? :supergrin:

I'm just curious, what is the source of your numbers?

[degoodman]

Everything I've read says 10mm is still above 500 FPE at 100 yards, more than 45 ACP at the muzzle. I've seen the ~ 2" reference in other places also but I am not sure where it originated. There is a 135 grain round by double tap that has a claimed muzzle velocity of 1600 fps. That's pushing the territory of 1900 fps. If you run the math on that what would be the approximate result at 100 yards? Anyone have a machine rest to hold a G20 and a laser sight calibrated to 100 yards? :supergrin:

I'm just curious, what is the source of your numbers?

Choose any ballistics calculator from anywhere. I use handloads.com's one.

Once you have the muzzle velocity, the dimensions of the bullet and its ballistic coefficient the rest of the trajectory and energy retention profile can be calculated with relatively high precision, definitely within 5%.

here's the table for a 135 at 1600 FPS (ballistic coefficient is about .11)

Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 1600 -0.5 0 0 767 0
10 1531 -0.19 0.11 0.02 703 0.51
20 1472 -0.03 0.37 0.04 650 0.72
30 1416 -0.01 0.78 0.06 601 1.06
40 1363 -0.18 1.37 0.08 557 1.55
50 1313 -0.54 2.15 0.11 517 2.17
60 1266 -1.1 3.13 0.13 480 2.94
70 1222 -1.88 4.33 0.15 448 3.86
80 1182 -2.89 5.76 0.18 419 4.92
90 1146 -4.14 7.44 0.2 394 6.11
100 1113 -5.67 9.39 0.23 371 7.44
110 1084 -7.48 11.62 0.26 352 8.9
120 1058 -9.58 14.14 0.29 336 10.47
130 1034 -11.99 16.97 0.32 321 12.16
140 1013 -14.74 20.14 0.34 308 13.96
150 993 -17.81 23.64 0.37 296 15.86

You're a foot low at 130, which is 15 yards farther out, yahoo, but you still have lost 1/2 of your energy by 100. (48% loss, if you're being nit-picky)

Lets go the other way. You can launch 200's with 10mm too. Lets go with Double tap's claimed velocities. 200 grains at 1275 FPS with a BC of about .16

Range Velocity Impact Drop ToF Energy Drift
0 1275 -0.5 0 0 722 0
10 1242 -0.13 0.16 0.03 685 0.48
20 1214 0.02 0.54 0.05 655 0.64
30 1187 -0.08 1.16 0.08 626 0.89
40 1162 -0.42 2.03 0.1 600 1.23
50 1139 -1.01 3.15 0.13 576 1.67
60 1117 -1.87 4.54 0.15 554 2.19
70 1097 -3.02 6.22 0.18 534 2.8
80 1079 -4.45 8.18 0.21 517 3.48
90 1061 -6.19 10.44 0.24 500 4.25
100 1045 -8.23 13.01 0.27 485 5.09
110 1030 -10.6 15.91 0.29 471 6.01
120 1015 -13.28 19.12 0.32 458 7
130 1002 -16.31 22.68 0.35 446 8.06
140 989 -19.68 26.58 0.38 434 9.18
150 977 -23.42 30.84 0.41 424 10.37


It almost makes it...still holding 485 FPE at 100 yards. But if you take note that's still a 33% drop in energy from initial. And lookey there, from a 25 yard zero, it drops a foot by between 110 and 120 yards.

And these are admittedly extremes. The 135 grain bullet, while available, is not a common selection for 10mm / .40. The "normal" lightest bullets you see from most manufacturers is 155. 200's are similarly rare, because most sources don't believe they can be safely loaded in .40, which is the FAR more popular caliber for 10mm / .400" bullets.

I'm really not trying to knock the 10mm. I'm just saying that you need to make your evaluations based on fair and unbiased numbers. And the realistic numbers with service handguns, which typically have non-adjustable sights calibrated for a 25 yard zero, say you're going to top out at somewhere in the neighborhood of 750 - 800 FPE, regardless of bullet, and you're looking at drops of over a foot somewhere between 100 and 130 yards, depending on your load. There are not any commonly available hunting type handguns I'm aware of in 10mm, but those numbers are attainable with a .357 magnum and a 12" T/C or 10" freedom arms for example, and are easily bested by middle of the road loads in .41 mag with common handgun without that particularly long barrel.

[vetteman]

I've enjoyed reading your posts on 10mm. Thanks for extrapolating the data to the 135 grain 1600 FPS round. :cool:

[glock20c10mm]

And these are admittedly extremes.
Even the "extremes" have there place. You wouldn't consider them useless, would you? If more people looked past all the "hype" from what agency or department carries this or that, or what any gun rag claims, many would see that the "extremes" could be probably considered much more popular than they currently are.

And actually, looking at the 135gr/200gr 10mm loads, they're actually quite popular by the standards of many 10mm enthusiasts here on GT. If anything is "extreme" in the context of how many use anyone thing compared to another, you may as well make a blanket statement that the 10mm itself is "extreme".

Not ranting, just saying.:supergrin:

[Los Suenos]

Here's ballistics for 10mm of different weights out to 500 yards.

http://www.10mmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=43

[Sandlapper77]

So I took the plunge and I picked up my new G20 yesterday. It seems to be a great fit for my hand and points very naturally. I can't wait to shoot it this weekend. In a way it's like I picked up two guns at once because now my 30 feels like a 26! :supergrin:

Does anyone have any experience with the Georgia Arms 10mm ammo, especially the 155 Gold Dot load that they sell? I will definitely try out the Double Tap as well.

[glock20c10mm]

So I took the plunge and I picked up my new G20 yesterday. It seems to be a great fit for my hand and points very naturally. I can't wait to shoot it this weekend. In a way it's like I picked up two guns at once because now my 30 feels like a 26! :supergrin:

Does anyone have any experience with the Georgia Arms 10mm ammo, especially the 155 Gold Dot load that they sell? I will definitely try out the Double Tap as well.
Congradulations! Doing a little dabbling over on the dark side, eh? You'll have to let those not in-the-know your opinion of the recoil with full-power loads. It seems it's never as bad as it's so commonly made out to be, and IMO, the recoil of the 10mm is blown waaaaay out of proportion!

As far as Georgia Arms ammo, many have posted in the past that it's great in general. Can't recall anything negative being posted about there ammo. So far I've stuck to Double Tap, so you'll have to try it and see what you think. Shouldn't be a single hickup from everthing I've heard though.

Good Shooting,
Craig:thumbsup:

[vetteman]

Georgia Arms is good stuff. I've heard the speed is very close to what they advertise. You can't go wrong with Georgia Arms or Double Tap. You are going to love shooting your G20. :cool:

[mercury0_0]

Here's a couple of vids of me shooting the G20C. Very little muzzle fiip. Managed to get a bit if fire from the ports in the second vid.:flamingdrpep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xDzWicdM_4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkMnoWJwxWE

[jbremount]

Here's a couple of vids of me shooting the G20C. Very little muzzle fiip. Managed to get a bit if fire from the ports in the second vid.:flamingdrpep:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xDzWicdM_4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkMnoWJwxWE



ARE you shooting .40S&W/ target loaded ammo or Double tap type loads?

[mercury0_0]

I was using 6.0 grains of Universal Clays with a 180grain tmj bullet. So not at the very top of the power chart but pretty close. From what I've been able to find out, the powder charge goes from 5.4gr to 6.4gr of Universal. I'm interested to see how much power I can get from the 10mm. So I'm going to work up some really hot loads and chronograph them and see what kind of muzzle flip I get.