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atmarcella
06-27-2008, 02:41
from anonymous.


EXPERIENTIAL BITTERNESS UNDER THE IMPERIAL MANILA

I. INTRODUCTION
While writing this piece there was the initial temptation to make this scholarly with
graphs, legalese and historical tidbits. But that was deliberately resisted because
Federalism is already appealing to the Mindanao intellectuals. We need not sound like
some pundits to campaign for Federalism because the idea is plainly advantageous to
provincial interest. What Federalism requires is mass appeal. It needs something to
arouse the interests of many who find intellectualis m as a boring profundity, cold
circuitry or a dose of dialectics, aside from being plain “hard work”.
Profundity and hard work are alienating the masses from the Federalism cause.
Federalism is not really that hard and difficult. The simple reason why we make
Federalism our proposition is simply the bad experience we have under the present
system of government.
The mathematics of Federalism is simply this: Plus for the provinces is minus for the
Manila government. What we get for the states we take is from Central Manila. In the
long run this deduction and addition will add up and multiply greatly for the benefit of
the whole country. But first we need to state what our people feel under the present
system. Samplings of pluses and minuses are what are written in this piece. Oversimplicati on
and aggravation is intended to make this mass appealing, if not incendiary.
II. The Brief Bitter-Sweet Story
Growth and development of the provinces in the Philippines depends on the style and
character of the Manila leadership. The style and character affects directly the provinces
because the present political structure and systems allow it to be so. There is no barrier
or cushion for the smile or frown of a Manilan in making others parts of the country sad
or happy. So far the experience has always been sweet for Manila but bitter for the
provinces. Really good for Manila but not so good for Luzon provinces, bad for Visayas
and worse for Mindanao.
The Marcosian Rule was so far the scariest and ugliest experience. It was a deterioration
of the Philippine democracy at its worst: Centralization in dictatorial form! The locus of
growth depends on the interest of the Marcoses. Ilocandia and Leyte became starts in the
growth race. The rest of the country barely survived in the oppression.
The Cory government was yellow. It raised bright expectations but plead with
frustrations. Power and interest used to be centralized around Marcos, were shifted back
to the elite around Cory. For Marcos Mindanao was the fertile ground for springing up
martial law. For Cory it was a blackhole to stuck profits for Manila based businesses.
Ramos leveled the playing field. The un-equal fight under the same rule. The poverty and
labor of the Third World versus the power and technology of the tandem EU and USA
are equal in a globalizing economy. Tyson versus Pacquiao in a boxing mis- match of the
century. Mindanao is an equal partner in a system favoring Manila.
The ERAPan period was comic. The form was unchanged but the character did. It was
funny that the systems could be played and scored around POGI (person opinion and
gambling interests) points. Manila or Mindanao is not the real concern. It was the pogi
Erap that matters. It was like having a child for a king and the Cabinet focused on
pleasing the child-king with lollipops. The lollipops were bought out of provincial
jueteng and masiao hawl.
Government is sweet when it serves best. Our present system is sweet only for Manilans
but bitter for Mindanaoans. Probably, for us here in the south nothing has really changed
in relation to central Manila government. A twisted kind of “bottom- up and trickledown”
is the practice. This means that resources from Mindanao go up but the attention
of Manila leadership merely trickles down. They get our resources but trickled us with
promises. Among the practices which drained Mindanao or place the provinces at
disadvantage are:
1) Money for Manila; 2)The Torture in Having to Please Manilans; 3) Unnecessary
and Damaging Delay; 4) Remote-transparency and Front-
Accountability; 5) Detached-Involvement; 6) Centralized Authority, Not
People Empowerment; 7) Consequent Dependency Than Depended On.
1. THE MANILA –BOUND MONEY
We know that governments, business and churches are Manila-based. A portion of any
amount we pay to buy for any item goes to Manila. A deposit in the bank goes to the
bank owner in Manila. An offering in the church goes to the church leaders in Manila.
Everything goes to Manila.
Because our money is in Manila, our beautiful women go to Manila, our brilliant men go
to Manila, and our best products go to Manila. We are left with less money, the less
beautiful, and the less brilliant and have factory defects or rejects for our consumption.
One glaring example of this one-way traffic flow of money to Manila is the travel cost of
our local leaders in business and government.
a. The Cost of Local Executives’ Travel
Let me start with a conservative but experientially valid assumption: 50 of the 78
provincial governors, 50 of the 80 city mayors and 100 of the 1500 municipal
mayors travel to Metro-Manila at lest ones a month. Their business may range
from the personal to the official which in reality and practice are naturally and
inextricably mixed.
For every travel a governor and a city mayor will spend an average of not less
than 25T a month or for 100 governors and city mayors a total of at least P2.5M a
month or P30M a year. A municipal mayor will spend not less than P15T a
month per travel or P15M a month for 1000 mayors or P180M a year. In other
words, at the most conservative estimate these local executives will incur a total
of P210M for official business in Central Manila.
b. The Cost of Line Agencies’ Travel
There are 12 government agencies with provincial offices or their equivalent.
Each of the provincial offices has probably more than 2 officers who travel ones a
month to Manila. For a conservative assumption the travel costs of 2 officers for
12 agencies in 75 provinces will be about P216M for one year. For regional
offices the travel costs will be about P90M for a minimum of 5 officers who
travel monthly for each region. Or a total of about P300M annually for both
provincial and regional offices.
c. The Costs of Personal Travel for Businessmen
Again at a very conservative estimate we will place at 100 business people having
official business in the central government offices of Manila for every province.
These 100 businessmen travel to Manila at lest ones a month. At an average
travel expense of P20T per businessman the total costs will be about P2B.
d. Implications
The total cost of travel for the government and business executives will be about
P2.5B a year. Equated with the cost of road construction at P1M per kilometer
the amount could mean 2,500 km of new roads annually or at P20T per hectare it
could mean 125,000 hectares of reforested land or 250,000 hectares of riceland at
P10T per hectare.
Annually our local leaders will take P2.5 billion to Metro-Manila for travelling
costs alone. This means that they drain each of the 78 provinces with development
funds worth more than P30M yearly. The IRA share given under the present
Local government Code is almost meaningless when compared with this forced
bleeding of local resources.
2. THE TORTURE OF PLEASING MANILANS
Mindanaoans suffer a roller-coaster of emotions in an efforts to access funds, get
attention or promotions from Manila leaders.
One very sad story was that of a young beautiful wife who went to Manila to follow up at
PAG-IBIG the benefits of her dead husband. She stayed with a friend to follow up the
endless requirements. The costs of her follow up exceeded what she finally got. She was
even impregnated by a married man who helped her in her efforts. She came home totally
without money but with a fatherless baby. Credit it to her stupidity or the helplessness in
being a stranger in a strange concrete jungle.
When a Manilan comes to the province he or she is treated as a prince or princess. If he
is a dissatisfied with the attention given, woe to the provinciano or provinciana who will
someday inescapably visit Manila for official business.
Manilans go to the provinces with orders, memos or forms for more work. Provincianos
will come to Manila with gifts and greetings. Otherwise he or she will come home empty.
News from Manila on the updates of some requests could end the provincianos high or
reeling in tidal of emotions. In a moment bursting in white-like bubbles of excitement
then seconds later crushed with a ton- load of bad news. Often the waiting is unnecessary
and damaging.
3. UN-NECESSARY AND DAMAGING DELAY
The provinces are made to plan and set targets. We are made to commit to the people for
some projects. But Manilans approve or disapprove our plans, targets and commitments.
The damage is not only on our honor; the damage is most often real, quantifiable and
tangible. Season for planting are not met, specifications and budget fall short, frustrations
transformed into insurgency or rebellion.
Most often the reason for delay is the failure to meet the SOP. The disapproval based on
belonging to the wrong party. Or misplaced or lost of document which could not be found
in the long trail from the province to Manila.
Centralization pile up documents on documents. The voluminous load is often made the
excuse for the delay. And always only the rule of “kuot” or “oil” can work through the
loads of work. But why do they refuse to unclog by decentralizing, by federalism?
Because it would mean that opportunity for juicy transactions will be reduced or
decentralized.
For Manilans the delay is bearable with the opportunity. For Mindanaoans the delay is
both un-bearable and lost of opportunity. Consequently we have intoxicating urbanization
and massive rural poverty.
4. REMOTE-TRANSPARENCY AND FRONT-ACCOUNTABILITY
Having a federal system will have real transparency. The approving authority will be
within the range of vision of the people. Under the present system Manila is clouded by
remoteness. Accountability is reposed in the provincial leaders who will have to suffer
and lie to protect the image of Manila leaders. The provinces are the front in the
bureaucratic lie emanating from Manila. Maybe, Manila or the provinces are liars all and
small or big they are still. But why not break lies with state separation, check the lies
with federalism?
5. DETACHED INVOLVEMENT
One very sad experience of the people from the island provinces was the deprivation of
the opportunity to become a hero. The making of People Power 1 and 2 was not the
monopoly of Manilans. But our archipelagic republic make it seem a heroism of
Manilans because our people’s involvement cannot be made direct by the separation of
the islands. Leaders of Manila have easier task of making a name compared to the leaders
of the provinces who will have to depend on the appointing authority of Manila leaders.
Consultation has limitations. One foreign funded project conducted a nation-wide
consultations to be able to package poverty needs and make it attractive for the donors or
lenders of development funds. But after they get the money most of the projects approved
and funded are those in the Luzon provinces because the consultants and officers of the
Project are relatives or have connections with people of Luzon and Manila. The poorer
areas of southern Philippines are used to attract investors but the investments are
delivered to the northern parts because of connections. Mindanaoans are involved in the
consultations but are detached in the implementation . Conscious efforts to correct this
leaning cannot prevail against the un-conscious and natural tendency to favor places of
birth or origin.
6. CENTRALIZED AUTHORITY, NOT PEOPLE EMPOWERMENT
Realization of people empowerment goals is restrained by the present centralized system.
The local government code was one step towards people empowerment. The next step
should be federalism. Certainly no one in his right mind will think federalism as a barrier
to people empowerment. But this correct view is often clouded by cupidity of the Manila
leaders who do not want to delegate authority and share opportunities with state leaders.
7. CONSEQUENT DEPENDENCY THAN DEPENDED-ON
The obvious and logical consequence of centralization is dependency. Rather than
depended on with a sense of ones own direction and vision, the planning is directed, the
goals become predetermined and often they served the interests of the North than its own.
We become producers of what they want than what we want, we become their workers
than our workers. In politics we are simply voters, not leaders.
The irony of this dependency id that Mindanao has the resources to be independent. Only
the sense that fragmentation into smaller countries is a backward move makes
independence and separation undesirable. The normal way is for countries to expand not
contract. But if we are to preserve our integrity as a nation we must preserve it with
dependable and federated states.
II. CONCLUSION
To physically reverse the flow from the North to the South is almost impossible and unrealistic.
If it is attainable, it will not be correcting the situation but committing the same
mistake in a reverse fashion. The South will then be guilty of what the North is
committing. Besides we will need the power, the population size, the quality, the beauty,
the brilliance and the resources of New York or any bigger city than Metro-Manila to
reverse the situation, reversed the flow of money from Manila to Mindanao.
But the present drain of resources, capital and talents from Mindanao to Manila or from
the Philippines abroad can be minimized or managed. Knowing what to do is easy but
Federalism is against the immediate political and economic interest of Manila leaders
except Manilans who have greater and long term interest for the Philippines.

maskytrading
06-27-2008, 05:15
from anonymous.
The Marcosian Rule was so far the scariest and ugliest experience. It was a deteriorationof the Philippine democracy at its worst: Centralization in dictatorial form! The locus ofgrowth depends on the interest of the Marcoses. Ilocandia and Leyte became starts in thegrowth race. The rest of the country barely survived in the oppression.The Cory government was yellow. It raised bright expectations but plead with frustrations. Power and interest used to be centralized around Marcos, were shifted backto the elite around Cory. For Marcos Mindanao was the fertile ground for springing upmartial law. For Cory it was a blackhole to stuck profits for Manila based businesses.Ramos leveled the playing field. The un-equal fight under the same rule. The poverty andlabor of the Third World versus the power and technology of the tandem EU and USAare equal in a globalizing economy. Tyson versus Pacquiao in a boxing mis- match of thecentury. Mindanao is an equal partner in a system favoring Manila.The ERAPan period was comic. The form was unchanged but the character did. It wasfunny that the systems could be played and scored around POGI (person opinion andgambling interests) points. Manila or Mindanao is not the real concern. It was the pogiErap that matters. It was like having a child for a king and the Cabinet focused onpleasing the child-king with lollipops. The lollipops were bought out of provincialjueteng and masiao hawl.Government is sweet when it serves best. Our present system is sweet only for Manilans [Quote}


The author forgot to say something about the present government...which I think is a very good reason for us to adopt federalism like the US.A:whistling:

isuzu
06-29-2008, 13:13
There are those who say that one of the reasons why GMA would like to change the constitution (and possibly extend her term) is to lay the groundwork for a federal government. But there are a lot of politicians who oppose it. A federal government would leave them powerless and much less money, of course.

Clusterbomb
06-30-2008, 20:09
I suspect that this drive for federalism is just a selfish excuse for our politicians to be king of their little kingdoms because they know they will never be President. After all, what could possibly be the next best thing?

Federalism will work only if we can be Filipinos FIRST and Ilocanos, Cebuanos, Tagalogs, etc SECOND.

What's that Latin motto in the US Dollar bill? "E PLURIBUS UNUM" (Out of many, one.) In our case, it will be "Out of one, many".

Before you know it, each so called "state" will have its own flag, currency, government and army and will be clamoring for international recognition. The Philippines as we knew it will cease to exist.

napinap
06-30-2008, 20:47
Originally Posted by Clusterbomb
Before you know it, each so called "state" will have its own flag, currency, government and army and will be clamoring for international recognition. The Philippines as we knew it will cease to exist.


...and their own own secessionist movement too

atmarcella
07-01-2008, 01:09
Before you know it, each so called "state" will have its own flag, currency, government and army and will be clamoring for international recognition. The Philippines as we knew it will cease to exist.

each state in the US has his own flag but they're still united under one flag. if they can do it why cant we?

or are they just better than us?

horge
07-01-2008, 03:28
are they just better than us?

Yes, they are better than us in the one respect that is relevant to this topic.
They have a tradition of considering themselves Americans first.

Quite a few of those pushing for Federalism here are the same ones making
the most noise about how their individual provinces could go it alone.

Thus, some are Cebuanos first, Bisaya second, and that's it.
That's about the extent of their patriotism, until convenience, open challenge
or need moves them to proclaim a more conservative adherence to being Filipino.

There are also those who are Manileños first, Tagalog second, and can only
afford to proclaim themselves as "Filipino" because they know no difference
between being Tagalog and being Filipino. They hold no concern for how
much their non-Tagalog compatriots have to adjust to, to aquire the superficial
"appearance" that passes for being "Filipino".

Neither sort have the depth or desire to grasp what it means to be Filipino,
They have grievance, indifference and/or a lust for power moving them.

It doesn't matter whether we go Federal or not.
For so long as those in power have no patriotism, and those angling
for change are merely angling for power, or someone to blame, then we diminish.
These are my thoughts on the matter. Others will have others.

h.

Clusterbomb
07-01-2008, 19:28
Ever saw the true-to-life TV movie "Skokie"?

Skokie is a village of Cook County Illinois with a large Jewish population whose elderlies were survivors of the Holocaust. In 1978, the local National Socialist Party of America applied for a permit to march thru the streets in full Nazi regalia.

Of course the Jewish sector opposed the idea and what followed was a series of court cases that went up to the Illinois Supreme Court. The "Nazis" insisted that the march is a form of free expression and is therefore protected by the Constitution.

The American Civil Liberties Union sent a lawyer to defend the NSPA. The local Jewish leaders were outraged to discover that the lawyer was a JEW.

"HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THESE PEOPLE?! YOU ARE A JEW!" they said to the lawyer.

The lawyer acknowledged that he was indeed a Jew and added that his grandparents even died in Birkenau.

But he said, "YES, I AM A JEW. BUT I'M AN AMERICAN FIRST." Then he went on to say that since they have chosen to make America their new homeland, they had to follow its laws and defend its ideals.

Eh tayo? When can we see beyond our regional or religious biases and think of ourselves as Filipinos first?

isuzu
07-01-2008, 19:56
Before you know it, each so called "state" will have its own flag, currency, government and army and will be clamoring for international recognition. The Philippines as we knew it will cease to exist.

The armed forces as well as the currency will still be centralized. One of the aims of a federal government is to make each state or province independent - to a certain extent where it could function much more effectively.

akula
07-01-2008, 20:18
Eh tayo? When can we see beyond our regional or religious biases and think of ourselves as Filipinos first?
...only when we start respecting and considering each other's rights and equal application justice. A sort of moral revolution.

Not a bigotry but when a Christian commits a minor infraction towards a Muslim, in most cases the clan would all be looking for that particular guy... but in cases where a Christian (example a small-time trader) gets kidnap or killed in a muslim area, the perpetrator is usually hidden by their relatives.

Clusterbomb
07-01-2008, 20:41
The armed forces as well as the currency will still be centralized. One of the aims of a federal government is to make each state or province independent - to a certain extent where it could function much more effectively.

Yan ang ideal setup. But not necessarily what some trapo, pro-federalism politicians really have in mind. Recent history shows that some people will not stop at that.

At the onset of the MNLF rebellion in the 70s, Nur's idea of a Muslim homeland was already one with its own flag, currency, army, etc.

To which then Defense Secretary Enrile's hardline rely was, "What they are asking for is so steep that no self-respecting nation will grant it. Let blood flow if it must!" (Read: Manigas kayo!)

Also, in the 80s I remember seeing a specimen of the so-called Mindanao Dollar being circulated by Canoy's (forgot his first name) supporters. Even if it was just a specimen or prototype, you can see the extent of their ideas for Mindanao.

atmarcella
07-02-2008, 00:09
But he said, "YES, I AM A JEW. BUT I'M AN AMERICAN FIRST." Then he went on to say that since they have chosen to make America their new homeland, they had to follow its laws and defend its ideals.

also reminds me of the movie "the good sheperd" starring matt damon. kausap nya ang italian-american na mobster asking for help in invading cuba. sabi nya sa mobster "i have this country, the rest of you are just visitors!".

When can we see beyond our regional or religious biases and think of ourselves as Filipinos first?

i consider myself a filipino bcos i live in the philippines. the question is "can it come first to me considering myself as an ilonggo bcos i was born and raised and educated in iloilo and hiligaynon is my first language?" the answer is YES. IF! i lived in a philippines which is more equal. fair i think is the word. that means no favoritism. all our dialects would be considered equal. representation would be equal. that means the senate would be composed of representatives of all regions. those 2 things would be a start. i have to eat lunch. galit na si mrs. hehe.

horge
07-02-2008, 01:57
But Andrew,
The Lower House , as it is, already provides geogaphically and demographically
fair representation in the legislature, by design.

The Senate is supposed to be above that, and indeed,
Senators are supposed to be Filipinos only, leaving their regional, provincial,
and/or sectoral allegiances at the Senate door. It is there to protect the
interest of the WHOLE Philippines, which is not always the result of compromises
to cater to individual provincial desires. If we inject regionalistic discrimination into
Senatorial election, then it might as well be folded into a unicameral legislature.

The same distinction of non-regionalism applies to the Presidency.
Whoever becomes President is supposed to be Filipino ONLY, without special allegiance
to his/her family, to province or region of origin, or to native dialect (and yes, Tagalog
is a dialect). Do we wish the Presidency to be an office rotated between provinces?
Putting a premium on regionalism, rather than on a national vote for a national office?

No question, Philippine government is a dark comedy at best. However...
If we keep electing lower primates to office, then we should blame ourselves,
and not a system of government which seems to have presented little
impediment to other countries that have secured wealth and comfort for their citizens.
Bad voters simply make for bad government (garbage in, garbage out).

Hindi naman talaga maipagmamalaki ang higit na karamihan ng mga botanteng "Pilipino".
Buta ug bungol; bulag at bingi; blind and deaf to ALL except their own immediate needs,
grievances and lusts.

I tell you... look at all the countries who have done far better than we have, and you will find
all forms of government, be it pure democracy, representative democracy, constitutional monarchy,
absolute monarchy, dictatorship, communist rule, etc... It ain't the pana, it's the indian.


JMO
h.

antediluvianist
07-02-2008, 02:11
I am a citizen of Greenbelt first, and everything else second.

E PLURIBUS ANUS

Out of so many, one *******

horge
07-02-2008, 02:26
ante...

http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/banbutton.gif

:tongueout: :tongueout: :tongueout:

atmarcella
07-02-2008, 02:29
The Senate is supposed to be above that, and indeed,
Senators are supposed to be Filipinos only, leaving their regional, provincial,
and/or sectoral allegiances at the Senate door. It is there to protect the
interest of the WHOLE Philippines, which is not always the result of compromises
to cater to individual provincial desires. If we inject regionalistic discrimination into
Senatorial election, then it might as well be folded into a unicameral legislature.


H,

hindi mo maalis sa pinoy yan eh just like cguro hindi mo maalis sa isang amerikano na texan sya or new yorker sya. but look yung senate nila has equal representation, 2 for each state, why cant we have 2 for each region. kahit ngayon na ang senate natin wlang "regionalistic flavor" so to speak ang nangyayari meron pa din. drilon will focus help on his region, enrile will do the same. its the same banana. ang kawawa ang walang representation. how many senators are from mindanao, afaik isa lang, si pimintel, but look at how big mindanao is. now how many senators are from NCR/luzon? the bone of contention is the pork barrel/help that the areas where these senators come from and maybe even the laws (do they make any?) that they make.

jmo,
atm.

horge
07-02-2008, 03:05
H,

hindi mo maalis sa pinoy yan eh just like cguro hindi mo maalis sa isang amerikano na texan sya or new yorker sya. but look yung senate nila has equal representation, 2 for each state, why cant we have 2 for each region. kahit ngayon na ang senate natin wlang "regionalistic flavor" so to speak ang nangyayari meron pa din. drilon will focus help on his region, enrile will do the same. its the same banana. ang kawawa ang walang representation. how many senators are from mindanao, afaik isa lang, si pimintel, but look at how big mindanao is. now how many senators are from NCR/luzon? the bone of contention is the pork barrel/help that the areas where these senators come from and maybe even the laws (do they make any?) that they make.

jmo,
atm.


Not arguing with your assessment of what is (and it IS a pathetic mess).

I'm just presenting that if Senate seats are to be regionally allocated,
then it might as well be folded with the Lower House into a single legislative body;
...and, if we are to embrace the unwanted regionalism that corrupts the Senate,
why not apply the same principle to the Presidency?

Rotate the Presidency among regions na rin, hahah...
Or, dahil karamihan ng mga naging Pangulo have been (say) Tagalog,
gawin na lang nating puro Tagalog ang mga magiging Pangulo?
Ngiiii... di ba, bad 'yon? :wow: :supergrin:

Senators and the President are supposed to look out for the whole nation,
thus they are nationally-elected. Congresscreatures and LGU officials
have a more localized scope of responsibility, and thus they are locally-elected.

The system, as presently designed, can work. Heck....
almost any system (within reason) can work, if the people themselves work.
Cases in point: the sheer variety of government systems used in building and
running "successful" nations. Few systems can work as designed, however,
if the citizenry are so stupid/selfish as to subvert its intentions.
Even a system tweaked to make Senate seats regionally allocated will fail,
and if so, what was the point?


If we Filipinos have the strength to overthrow tyrants,
then we have the muscle to reclaim and redem this cesspool of a government.

Tearing stuff down requires only strength.
However, building stuff up requires more. It demands intelligence, perseverance, and love.
Kaso nga, sobrang daming bobo, walang tiyaga, at walang pagmamahal sa bayan.
I'd give up on the whole, sorry, whining lot of them, except they're my countrymen.
Call it corny or unbelievable, but I would die for them.

h.

atmarcella
07-02-2008, 08:16
ako im not for federalism para umasenso ang pilipinas. look at mexico federal govt. din sila, pero mahirap pa din sila. ang asenso nangagaling sa "self-control" first and foremost with the current trend in our population i dont think asenso will come to this country in a 100years (do you guys know there are only 21m people in australia!) or even 200. asenso is just so hard for the phils. maybe bcos of luck. luck bcos it so happens that we are a predominantly catholic country tapos tropical pa! im sure you guys know what i mean. seriously, when you live in a cold country like canada for example you'd think twice first before getting out of your clothes.

im in favor of a unicameral body. i think it will speed things up but its impossible to attain. impossible bcos i think the 24 sitting there right now will never give up their jobs. its too rewarding!

a rotating president? nah bad idea, i still think he should be elected nationally. but the senators could be elected regionally.

you see you can never take away from a person his roots. how can we say that he should be filipino first his roots second when his roots came first in his life?

but it does not mean that an ilocano saying that he is proud to be one does not mean that he is not proud to be a filipino. same goes for the ilonggo and everyone else!

atmarcella
07-02-2008, 08:21
I am a citizen of Greenbelt first, and everything else second.

E PLURIBUS ANUS

Out of so many, one *******


i am sorry if you think of me this way. ill just return the thought.

Lady Glock
07-02-2008, 08:37
Lots of excellent information!

atmarcella
07-02-2008, 08:41
Senators and the President are supposed to look out for the whole nation,


whatever you do the senators will still be regionalistic in their way of helping or allocation of pork barrel. so why not just have them elected regionally?

Allegra
07-02-2008, 09:28
Di kaya ang regionalistic lang naman ay mga non-tagalogs?

If we insult each region ,parang mga tagalog lang yata hindi mag rereact hehe

horge
07-02-2008, 15:41
Di kaya ang regionalistic lang naman ay mga non-tagalogs?

If we insult each region, parang mga tagalog lang yata hindi mag rereact hehe

My own experience agrees with that.
Then again, it's easier to laugh off mere insult,
than insult added to injury (real or imagined).

:)

horge
07-02-2008, 16:30
whatever you do the senators will still be regionalistic in their way of helping or allocation of pork barrel. so why not just have them elected regionally?


You're viewing the Senate as a source of funding, which isn't its main mission.
Its primary and critical purpose is to temper regionally-minded legislation
with a concern for the national interest.

You want to "improve" the Senate?
Among the worst mistakes we can make is to cater to its flaws, relative to
how it was designed/intended to function:
Senators often act regionalistically, so we might as well regionalize the Senate?
Senators are often corrupt and stupid. Do we formalize that as well?

Legislatively, there is a division onto local officials and national officials.and
I'll explain why, and since you've shown concern over fund allocation/disbursement,
lets forget the Houses of Congress and go straight to where funds really get doled out:

Administratively, we have local officials, and national officials.
For so long as there are common/shared concerns between all provinces,
there will be national agencies (armed forces, etc.) and those will mean
national officials. Otherwise, why do we even bother with having a President?

Why not just have the Governors vote on every single national issue?
Maybe because it is inefficient at best and paralyzing at worst.
Maybe because, Governors can't function as regional adminisrators,
if they have to convene 24/7 for constantly emerging national issues,
Maybe because, left to themselves, regional officials will devolve into
political horsetrading with inividual regional profit as sole object, and
shared national concerns go by the wayside.

I can't make it any plainer than to say that national interests and local interests
do not always agree on the shortest route to a common destination, and in
the open debate to decide a common route, advocates for both sides are necessary.

That is, of course, if we care about where we're headed, medium to longterm,
and not merely about the pork regularly handed out along the trip,
We all do. We all should.

h.

antediluvianist
07-02-2008, 17:38
"I am a citizen of Greenbelt first, and everything else second.

E PLURIBUS ANUS

Out of so many, one *******

i am sorry if you think of me this way. ill just return the thought."

No, atmarcella , I was not referring to you. What made you think so?

Allegra
07-02-2008, 20:21
My own experience agrees with that.
Then again, it's easier to laugh off mere insult,
than insult added to injury (real or imagined).

:)


Profound! :)
You tagalogs kasi napaka imperialistic tsk tsk

atmarcella
07-02-2008, 22:58
No, atmarcella , I was not referring to you. What made you think so?


oh im sorry sir. my bad! ill take it back. maybe bcos i have a dissenting view from the majority. sorry again.

atmarcella
07-02-2008, 23:06
Its primary and critical purpose is to temper regionally-minded legislation
with a concern for the national interest.


in an ideal world yes this will happen. this is its purpose. in an ideal world. but we live in the REAL world. so why not take it for what it is and adjust accordingly.

communism is the perfect solution. in an ideal world. but who has achieved it? thats bcos we all live in a REAL world.