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Rocknropes
07-03-2008, 23:04
*I'VE BEEN SELECTED!!!
*I'VE BEEN SELECTED!!!



Ok, I'm graduating this summer with a BS in electrical engineering and I have my heart set on becoming a commissioned officer in the USAF. I've heard that OTS is very competitive and although Im very nervous/scared about it Im going to apply anyway. As as backup I want to go back to school for either my masters or a 2nd bachelor's and do AFROTC just in case I don't get into OTS. I can't put off signing up for ROTC because I can only start it in the fall semester. If I end up getting accepted into OTS I won't go until after the semester is over anyway, so worse comes to worst I'll have done a semester in AFROTC and taken a few classes before I get sent to Alabama. Do you guys have any tips or advice based on what I've just said? or just general USAF or officer tips/advice? Thanks in advance.

*I'VE BEEN SELECTED!!!

JimBianchi
07-03-2008, 23:49
Sounds like a very good plan.

Have you talked to a recuiter about this?

Might be helpful.

Rocknropes
07-03-2008, 23:52
I've mentioned it to the AFROTC recruiter and they said it sounds like a decent plan, I emailed her again to schedule a time to sit down and talk about it in depth. My OTS recruiter is out of town at the academy right now So I can't talk to him until next week. I figure the only thing i've got to lose is one semester's worth of tuition, but I Figure i can use that towards a masters later anyways after the GI bill.

MrMurphy
07-04-2008, 01:49
1. BS level is high. I went through Army ROTC and I'm USAF enlisted. Any officer training course has a LOT of BS.

2. Time management and temper management. Learn both or die. My LT is prior enlisted and went ROTC. His new protege is a new 2LT and graduated from the Citadel. Being that I went halfway through what they went all the way through we swapped some stories yesterday at a unit function and much is still the same as when I was doing it for the Army.

3. Use the damn phone and talk to the recruiter. He HAS to have a cell and this is not something you do blind.

4. If you know any AF officers (active or fairly recently retired) now would be the time to talk to them.

b52ace
07-04-2008, 15:42
It's been a few years since I went through ROTC, but you used to have to sign a contract for the last 2 years of ROTC. Is that not the case now? If so, and you enter ROTC for 2 yrs while you get your Masters, you would already be under contract with the AF and couldn't go to OTS. I may be confused about the current rules, but I would be very sure what your obligations will be before signing up for ROTC. You might want to talk w/ the ROTC commander or commandant of cadets at the university you plan on attending. They can give you the straight skinny.

I spent 28 years as an officer, rated and non-rated, and retired Sep '04. It is a flyer's AF. You can do lots of good things and get promoted to the highest ranks, but realize who the AF is designed for. That said, you'll be given responsibilities as a young officer your classmates will never see in the civilian world. And remember this one thing... the enlisted force will save your butt or they will bury it! Your senior NCOs have the experience to run the organization. Use them and learn from them.

Good luck in your quest. And thanks for looking to serve. :patriot:

CPT_CRUNCH
07-28-2008, 11:14
OTS is extremely competitive. afrotc is a good back up plan. dont know how it is now but back in my day they had a 1 year program, they called it the "star" program (this was back in 98-99). but afrotc was recruiting like crazy back then. not sure what it is like now.
also, ots is probably better for you cause you've already got a degree and afotc is a lot of bull******. its cool when you're like 18 or 19 but the older you get the more stupid afrotc is. d and c gets really old after a while and none of that cadet wing stuff is really THAT important.
and just in cast you're wondering yes i am in the army, yes i did commission thru afrotc. i did blue to green 2 years ago. loving the army way better!!!

CPT_CRUNCH
07-28-2008, 11:27
one more thing: dont be nervous. be exited, HOOAH!

Rocknropes
07-28-2008, 22:33
I may have caused some confusion with some of my statments. Im going into AFROTC this fall and applying to OTS in Sept. If I hear back from OTS that Im accepted then I'm going to quit AFROTC in the spring. I wouldn't have to sign the obligation until the beginning of summer 2009. So i have up til then to back out. but by then I'll have already heard back from OTS ( hopefully). But Yes, Im very excited! I got fitted for my cadet uniforms last week and it felt awesome! I've been working on my PT for the past 3 months but Im still shy on the 1.5 mile run. everything else is good for top scores though. It's very exciting!

MrMurphy
07-29-2008, 08:53
Do some cardio on the machines. DO NOT destroy your knees before you even get in (I have knee problems now).

Rocknropes
07-29-2008, 19:20
I was working out on the elliptical for that reason, but then I moved on to treadmills to better simulate having to run. Starting this fall I'll be required to do PT twice a week and every other friday for AFROTC. I want to be as ready as possible.

CPT_CRUNCH
07-30-2008, 15:36
training for the pft is a good idea, but you want to run more than 1.5 miles. if you stick with afrotc you be running a lot more than 1.5 miles when you get to field training. you should be able to run at least 3 miles no problem. also running on treadmills or eliptical is great for training. but you'll probably wanna do some roadwork outside too. especially if you get ots, maxwell has a lot of hills you'll be running.

also afrotc and ots use d&c a lot. i suggest you join your det's drill team if they have one. you'll learn, might have some fun, and more importantly you wont feel behind the power curve.

may the force be w/ you:rofl:

MDLibertarian
08-05-2008, 20:00
Considering your major the USAF would stupid NOT to get you in any way they can as EEs are in great demand. The second to last supervisor I had while I was still in was an EE who was a Major (now a Lt Col working at NAIC at Wright-Patterson AFB) whose hubby was also an EE who was prior-Navy enlisted. She said that the promotion potential wasn't the best as an Acquisition Officer (what most engineers become), but that you'll get whatever training your lil' heart desires plus the TS/SCI clearance to boot. She said she could potentially get her chickens (full colonel), but that would mean she would have to take a command slot which she really didn't want. She did say that engineers are highly in demand and that if you really want to right-your-own-ticket as an EE, then you should get some experience in the analog world along with the digital systems, the latter of which EE programs seem to focus on. Analog is still very prevalent in developing countries where we target their SIGINT assets and not enough engineers have experience with the older technology. If you want to pursue a Masters, wait until you get commissioned and apply to the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT) at Wright-Patterson as the AF will pay for the entire program.

CPT_CRUNCH
09-02-2008, 14:52
dont be too surprised... the AF does a lot of stupid things. look at the situation you guys are in now after FORCE SHAPING (that was smart good job Mosely and Wynn!!!).

Rocknropes
09-22-2008, 14:23
well, after waiting for some paperwork and rescheduling, Im going to take my AFOQT in Oct. has anyone taken it before? if so do you have any tips? I hear it's basically the SAT's on steroids and I've bought several study guides. I obviously want to do really well so any help is appreciated.

b52ace
09-22-2008, 14:46
Been about 38 years since I took it. :embarassed: But tests being tests, I'm sure they haven't changed significantly. They were very much like SATs, but had sections testing your ability to visualize (spacial orientation, etc). They ones I recall specifically were the cogs that were interconnected and they would ask "if this cog 1 turns clockwise what direction will cog 5 turn?", "looking at this depiction, is the plane going away from you or towards you?", things like that. There were many of these to evaluate and you had to manage your time to get through them all. (The fact I can recall those sections after all these years gives you some idea how special they were :rofl: )

Your study guides will cover the areas well, I'm sure. Good luck with the test.

Rocknropes
10-16-2008, 12:48
well, Im taking my AFOQT tomorrow at 08:30 . wish me luck!

CPT_CRUNCH
10-20-2008, 15:04
it IS an SAT on steroids. biggest thing is to be familiar w/ the type of questions they ask. especially the types B52ACE mentioned. also the electronic maze will take you for a loop especially if you havent practiced prior to showing up. also watch your time!!!

also you CAN take the test again. people do it all the time. especially for the pilot wanna-bees. if you dont like your results then fight to take it again. some det commanders / or officer recruiters wont let you know of this policy.

Rocknropes
10-21-2008, 00:14
it IS an SAT on steroids. biggest thing is to be familiar w/ the type of questions they ask. especially the types B52ACE mentioned. also the electronic maze will take you for a loop especially if you havent practiced prior to showing up. also watch your time!!!

also you CAN take the test again. people do it all the time. especially for the pilot wanna-bees. if you dont like your results then fight to take it again. some det commanders / or officer recruiters wont let you know of this policy.

well, I took it last wednesday. Now I just have to sit back and wait for the results. It took 4 hours but at least I finished every section and answered every question. man, it was long! There was No electronic maze portion. from my memory there was analogies, arithmetic, problem solving, block counting, chart reading, geometric shapes, and word knowledge. I may have forgotten a section but those were the main ones. I know you can take it twice before you need a waiver but they only count the latest so if you do better the first time, it doesn't matter they only take the most recent. well, now the next step is to get setup for the physical at MEPS then interview. Im excited but nervous also.

Glock13
10-23-2008, 22:35
well, I took it last wednesday. Now I just have to sit back and wait for the results. It took 4 hours but at least I finished every section and answered every question. man, it was long! There was No electronic maze portion. from my memory there was analogies, arithmetic, problem solving, block counting, chart reading, geometric shapes, and word knowledge. I may have forgotten a section but those were the main ones. I know you can take it twice before you need a waiver but they only count the latest so if you do better the first time, it doesn't matter they only take the most recent. well, now the next step is to get setup for the physical at MEPS then interview. Im excited but nervous also.

I went through OTS in '06. Currently a 1Lt. Let me know if you have any questions.

Rocknropes
10-24-2008, 00:57
I went through OTS in '06. Currently a 1Lt. Let me know if you have any questions.

actually, could you tell me what a typical day in your life is like? I've spoken to a lot of enlisted guys, but not so many officers. Going in with an engineering degree, I'd like to do something related to engineering but I know they'll put you where they need you. also, how long did you have to wait after the board met to hear if you got accepted? and after you got that news, how long before you were sent out to OTS? how do you like your job? what would you say you like most and what would you say you hate the most? thanks for your help.

EH3
11-05-2008, 08:52
I was working out on the elliptical for that reason, but then I moved on to treadmills to better simulate having to run. Starting this fall I'll be required to do PT twice a week and every other friday for AFROTC. I want to be as ready as possible.

Two PT sessions is what's required, but not enough. Just get into the routine of PT'ing 4-5 times a week. I just graduated from school and finished 4 years of AFROTC. If you're an engineer and that's all you want to be, you shouldn't have a problem getting that career field. All my friends in AFROTC that were engineers all got engineering (research/acquisitions) jobs. What's more competitive (obviously) is the rated career fields (pilot, cso/nav, abm). Like b52ace said it's a flyer's air force.

Also, like CPT_CRUNCH said start running more than 1.5m because at Field Training or OTS you'll be running a heck of a lot more. When I went through Field Training (2006) we'd regularly do 5-6M warrior runs, but from what I've heard from the more recent trainees there is a lot less emphasis on drill and ceremonies now, and more emphasis on the whole "warrior" concept. Oh, and if you go to Maxwell in the summer, learn to embrace the suck and get ready for lots of hot humid Alabama sunshine :supergrin:

Dean
11-05-2008, 09:15
What's wrong with you, Boy? Why do you seem so nervous?
Are you afraid to join the military? Don't you want to lead men, and fly one of Uncle Sam's jets? Then GO DO IT! You're doing just FINE, Son!
You've got a good solid engineering degree, and you're in the process of applying to be an Air Force Officer. That's fine.
Apply to OTS, and go into the Air Force.
Why all the back up planning before anyone has told you "No."?
Go on in there and go to flight school and check out in the F22 and head on overseas with your squadron, Son. You're good to go!

MrMurphy
11-05-2008, 12:45
If the gym near you has an Arc trainer, try running on that. It's the closest simulation of running minus the knee-destroying pounding I've found other than running in a pool.

It will whup your butt very quickly, though I can now get about 20 min straight in at a good pace.

Get used to 14 hour days, and at least 1 hour of ACTUAL PT a day (not counting getting dressed, shower, etc). Might wanna invest in a PDA or at least a small notepad.

Glock13
11-11-2008, 21:57
actually, could you tell me what a typical day in your life is like? I've spoken to a lot of enlisted guys, but not so many officers. Going in with an engineering degree, I'd like to do something related to engineering but I know they'll put you where they need you. also, how long did you have to wait after the board met to hear if you got accepted? and after you got that news, how long before you were sent out to OTS? how do you like your job? what would you say you like most and what would you say you hate the most? thanks for your help.

I currently do Acquisitions. My job is a combination of acquisitions (acquiring new systems) and engineering/systems engineering. If you go in as an engineer, you will most likely be doing something at least remotely related to engineering. You may not get to do a lot of hands-on engineering...i.e. you won't be solving circuit diagrams. You most likely will act in a supervisory role, overseeing contractors. You will still do engineering, but it is a combination of supervising, program management and engineering. It will most likely be very much like a civilian job in many aspects.

I think I waited about 3-4 months after the board to find out if I was in. After I found out I was in, it was about another 3-4 months until I went to OTS. That time varies widely though. I've known some who waited for over a year.

I really like my job. You get to see a lot of cool stuff and many times you will be in a position to learn/take part in as much as you would like to. You will probably work with a lot of civilians, some who have been doing their job for 20-40 years. That is the hard part...getting them to trust you and get involved. They know you will only be around for 1-2 years, so be proactive and jump in as early as you can.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

Rocknropes
11-11-2008, 22:41
I currently do Acquisitions. My job is a combination of acquisitions (acquiring new systems) and engineering/systems engineering. If you go in as an engineer, you will most likely be doing something at least remotely related to engineering. You may not get to do a lot of hands-on engineering...i.e. you won't be solving circuit diagrams. You most likely will act in a supervisory role, overseeing contractors. You will still do engineering, but it is a combination of supervising, program management and engineering. It will most likely be very much like a civilian job in many aspects.

I think I waited about 3-4 months after the board to find out if I was in. After I found out I was in, it was about another 3-4 months until I went to OTS. That time varies widely though. I've known some who waited for over a year.

I really like my job. You get to see a lot of cool stuff and many times you will be in a position to learn/take part in as much as you would like to. You will probably work with a lot of civilians, some who have been doing their job for 20-40 years. That is the hard part...getting them to trust you and get involved. They know you will only be around for 1-2 years, so be proactive and jump in as early as you can.

Let me know if you have any more questions.

I was researching some AFSC's and I came across one that I liked and hoped to get into: 62E1E basically entry electronics/electrical engineer. how long are you stationed somewhere before having to move? my recruiter tells me that the next board meets in Feb, and I should know no later than March 30th. so far things are looking good, he tells me that with my AFOQT scores and my electrical engineering degree, I should be pretty competitive. I hate waiting, but if/when I get accepted, it'll be worth it. I like what you said about working along side civilian engineers and seeing how it's done in the civie world. here's another question: the men that you are supervising, are they enlisted guys doing the hands on work? or are they other lower ranking engineering officers? if you're basically doing the supervising and acquisitions, who are the men below you? i assume enlisted men/women, but are they qualified engineers too or just trained in the field and you tell them what to do? Im very excited and really hope I get in. thanks for your advice so far.

Glock13
11-16-2008, 10:54
I was researching some AFSC's and I came across one that I liked and hoped to get into: 62E1E basically entry electronics/electrical engineer. how long are you stationed somewhere before having to move? my recruiter tells me that the next board meets in Feb, and I should know no later than March 30th. so far things are looking good, he tells me that with my AFOQT scores and my electrical engineering degree, I should be pretty competitive. I hate waiting, but if/when I get accepted, it'll be worth it. I like what you said about working along side civilian engineers and seeing how it's done in the civie world. here's another question: the men that you are supervising, are they enlisted guys doing the hands on work? or are they other lower ranking engineering officers? if you're basically doing the supervising and acquisitions, who are the men below you? i assume enlisted men/women, but are they qualified engineers too or just trained in the field and you tell them what to do? Im very excited and really hope I get in. thanks for your advice so far.

That is what I am...a 62E. When I say supervising, it's more oversight. You function basically as the government oversight of the contractors. For instance, say you are working on a project and Lockheed Martin is the main contractor performing the work (building the system). You basically approve their designs, make sure they folllow all military regulations, etc. You probably won't be over any enlisted people, at least in your first couple years. You will get to meet a lot of very intelligent people who have tons of experience...you may be overseeing the designs from people who have been in the business for decades. It can be a little intimidating, but just make sure you have an open mind and ask tons of questions and you will be fine.

First Sgt
11-18-2008, 12:16
And remember this one thing... the enlisted force will save your butt or they will bury it! Your senior NCOs have the experience to run the organization. Use them and learn from them.

Good luck in your quest. And thanks for looking to serve. :patriot:

I'll second ALL of the above!

Rocknropes
02-17-2009, 12:58
I've...
been...
Selected!!!


...

I'm GOING TO OTS!!!

Norman
02-17-2009, 13:25
Congrats man! You're in! What a feeling that must be. Now knock em out and be the best. Just put your head down and plow through it.

Good job! Serve for those of us who can no longer serve. Thank you!



P.S. - Keep your nose spotlessly clean from now til then. Don't do absolutely anything stupid. Stay away from alcohol, even.