Can you help me find the vid of B.G. with 2x.40 in his chest?

[BigFameOne]

I know I saw it on here but am having issues finding it. Your help is appreciated.

[crankbait11]

http://crimefilenews.blogspot.com/20...t-on-tape.html

I'm not sure if the link works,(blocked at work), but I posted it long ago and found it in my history. I'm actually not even sure if this is the right link, but if I recall correctly, it was a man shot twice in chest with 40 cal by police, and then was escorted by police to a ambulance.

[Joeywhat]

http://www.crimefilenews.com/2006/03/40-caliber-nightmare-is-caught-on-tape.html
Video at bottom...I won't say anything about the author of the article...

[Big Time]

:popcorn:

[zeke013]

Wow. Probably not many handgun rounds would have put him down.

[BigFameOne]

First of all thanks, secondly I wasn't after a caliber debate. I was on a different board sort of trying to explain the overall inefficiency of handgun rounds, debunking the one shot kill a bad guy dead at a block away every time myth. Thought this would help make my point. Appreciated.

[HiredGun77]

A young punk a bit thinner than this one was shot point blank with a 45 in our county. One shot to the center of the chest had him squalling but he was up and around while he waited 45 minutes for the ambulance to take him 45 minutes back to town. This is why I load my own. Most store bought self defense ammo gives about the same lame performance. You have seen the stupid chart where they all go just over 12". I say load the heaviest XTP's you can get to at least 1250+fps and you won't have as many bad guys telling lies about you in court. I want my stuff to make the nastiest hole all the way through and then some. If you don't load I suggest DoubleTap.

I would be curious to know what load was used.

[Retseh]

So why did they shoot him in the first place?

[Dukeboy01]

Oh, good grief. It's from 1994, for crying out loud. Bullet technology has moved on in the last 14 years.

Sweating things like this is only useful if you believe in fairytales like the Easter bunny, fiscally responsible Democrats, and one- shot stopping power in ANY handgun round.

The perp looks like Dog the Bounty Hunter if he was 150 lbs lighter and tweaked out on meth.

[BigFameOne]

A young punk a bit thinner than this one was shot point blank with a 45 in our county. One shot to the center of the chest had him squalling but he was up and around while he waited 45 minutes for the ambulance to take him 45 minutes back to town. This is why I load my own. Most store bought self defense ammo gives about the same lame performance. You have seen the stupid chart where they all go just over 12". I say load the heaviest XTP's you can get to at least 1250+fps and you won't have as many bad guys telling lies about you in court. I want my stuff to make the nastiest hole all the way through and then some. If you don't load I suggest DoubleTap.

I would be curious to know what load was used.

You in Clackamus county? I was asked by the friendly officers there to leave and not return and after learning about the ammo some of you carry I am glad I complied.

[freakshow10mm]

That's why we train for the Mozambique.

[BigFameOne]

Oh, good grief. It's from 1994, for crying out loud. Bullet technology has moved on in the last 14 years.

Sweating things like this is only useful if you believe in fairytales like the Easter bunny, fiscally responsible Democrats, and one- shot stopping power in ANY handgun round.

The perp looks like Dog the Bounty Hunter if he was 150 lbs lighter and tweaked out on meth.


Wow kind of excited aren't we? I mean who was it that was sweating it? Your point about the ineffectiveness of ANY pistol round was in fact he exact point I was making, and why I asked for this link.

The comment about Dog the Bounty Hunter is spot on by the way.

[G26man]

Wow. Probably not many handgun rounds would have put him down.
Has very little to do with whether the round was 9mm, .40, or .45. Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. There is a large random component to shot placement. You can hit a man COM multiple times and still not hit anything vital or structural. That's why I'll shoot continuously until he goes down. Seeing this makes me lean more toward low recoil high capacity rounds like 9mm, IMHO.

[HiredGun77]

Shot placement all you want but if your ammo is incapable of ripping up a bunch of flesh it won't do you any good. Remember when the 9mm was first being adopted for law enforcement. Bad guys on PCP were soaking up 15 rounds iincluding heads shots and were still marching on. When we were young my best friend shot his uncle in the sack with a 22lr. The bullet pierced a nut and lodged in his tailbone. He dropped like a rock and didn't wake up until the next day. The pastor of my church took a 45ACP 230 ball to the sack at 5-10 feet and it merely joined the twins with no harm done. Same shot placement and the 22lr is the more effective stopper. Pastor took a knee for a few seconds then got right up and had to hike several hours to help. Two other friends both shot by 44 magnums with 240 grain HP's and one lost his leg above the knee. Almost completly severed it by the shot. The other blew his calf muscle completely off his leg. Both would have died shortly if their hadn't been trained medics or nurses with them. Lesser ammo would have had much weaker results and these two would probably have completely recovered.

I say shoot the heaviest bullets you can as fast as you can. 750 to 1100 fps just doesn't cut it. The damage level goes up dramatically when the bullet can remain supersonic (1200 or better) for the first few inches within a piece of flesh. I will never buy into velocity makes no difference. I would bet money had the guy in the video been hit the same placement 20 years ago when some cops were carrying 125 grain 357 Magnum ammo this guy would have been out and expired in short order.

Believe what you want but this is what I believe. Good hot ammo never hurts when you are needing every shot to count.

[J.P.]

:popcorn:

[DRT]

Looks like two unexpanded Gold Dots....go figure. :deadhorse:

[BigFameOne]

Shot placement all you want but if your ammo is incapable of ripping up a bunch of flesh it won't do you any good. Remember when the 9mm was first being adopted for law enforcement. Bad guys on PCP were soaking up 15 rounds iincluding heads shots and were still marching on. When we were young my best friend shot his uncle in the sack with a 22lr. The bullet pierced a nut and lodged in his tailbone. He dropped like a rock and didn't wake up until the next day. The pastor of my church took a 45ACP 230 ball to the sack at 5-10 feet and it merely joined the twins with no harm done. Same shot placement and the 22lr is the more effective stopper. Pastor took a knee for a few seconds then got right up and had to hike several hours to help. Two other friends both shot by 44 magnums with 240 grain HP's and one lost his leg above the knee. Almost completly severed it by the shot. The other blew his calf muscle completely off his leg. Both would have died shortly if their hadn't been trained medics or nurses with them. Lesser ammo would have had much weaker results and these two would probably have completely recovered.

I say shoot the heaviest bullets you can as fast as you can. 750 to 1100 fps just doesn't cut it. The damage level goes up dramatically when the bullet can remain supersonic (1200 or better) for the first few inches within a piece of flesh. I will never buy into velocity makes no difference. I would bet money had the guy in the video been hit the same placement 20 years ago when some cops were carrying 125 grain 357 Magnum ammo this guy would have been out and expired in short order.

Believe what you want but this is what I believe. Good hot ammo never hurts when you are needing every shot to count.




It worries me a bit how many folks you know who have been shot in their balls.

[James Markov]

It worries me a bit how many folks you know who have been shot in their balls.

No kidding...:whistling:

[thegriz18]

So, HiredGun77, would you volunteer to take a COM shot from a .22lr at 7 yards? How about the wimpy 9mm? I didn't think so. It seems to me that all of the claims you have made kinda lean toward the conclusion that HANDGUNS SUCK, BRING A RIFLE. I am just going to guess that carrying a .44 Mag is a bit difficult and irresponsible. You talk about having rounds that go all the way through. What about people beyond the target? Ricochets? I am just raising questions.

[HiredGun77]

Only two shot in the sack. Uncle One Nut and our now retired pastor. Wierder yet is how many people I know who have shot people or been shot. I'll pass on getting shot by anything. Thank you for asking.

[Butch]

Wierder yet is how many people I know who have shot people or been shot.
Yup......and I think our friendship should remain as is......long distance via computer! :supergrin:

The video shows nothing about shot placement. The wounds could easily be very superficial in nature, and that theory is well supported by the fact that the cops made the clown walk to the ambulance. If he had serious torso wounds, he'd have been put on a stretcher just like anyone else. No way I'm picking up a man with a sucking chest wound and make him walk to an ambulance, and damn sure not knowingly on video.



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[Rugby]

Yup......and I think our friendship should remain as is......long distance via computer! :supergrin:

The video shows nothing about shot placement. The wounds could easily be very superficial in nature, and that theory is well supported by the fact that the cops made the clown walk to the ambulance. If he had serious torso wounds, he'd have been put on a stretcher just like anyone else. No way I'm picking up a man with a sucking chest wound and make him walk to an ambulance, and damn sure not knowingly on video.



:patriot:

The video shows nothing about shot placement.

I guess you're watching a different video. At multiple times, two entrance wounds are clearly visible. Two leaking holes, looking much like a double-tap, just below the shoulder on the inside of the BG's right nipple. Another two or three inches to the center would have made it a perfect "thoracic triangle" shot. I don't know how the shooter(s) could have did much better.

Oh, but the video is 14 years old. .40 ammo sucked back then.:upeyes:

If he had serious torso wounds, he'd have been put on a stretcher just like anyone else.

You (and the cops at the time) have no idea the seriousness of the wounds. The guy could have died for all we know.

[Butch]

I guess you're watching a different video. At multiple times, two entrance wounds are clearly visible. Two leaking holes, looking much like a double-tap, just below the shoulder on the inside of the BG's right nipple. Another two or three inches to the center would have made it a perfect "thoracic triangle" shot. I don't know how the shooter(s) could have did much better.

Oh, but the video is 14 years old. .40 ammo sucked back then.:upeyes:



You (and the cops at the time) have no idea the seriousness of the wounds. The guy could have died for all we know.
I saw the video for which the link is posted in post #3...is there another?

Even if you're right, what's to say that the shots were not at an angle that produced only a non-debilitating 'flesh wound'? Like the bullets may never have even entered the chest cavity.....

A comment below the video states that the guy was released from the hospital four days later. Another agreed with me on the idea of walking the guy to the ambulance, if he had collapsed and died while walking to it, his greving family would no doubt collect plenty in a wrongful death suit for failing to give aid in a timely manor.....the paramedics were right there.



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