Glock 17 with NY1

[Sproggy]

This is kind of 3 pronged question so excuse the length. Im currently attending a Police academy in the tidewater area of Virginia and was recently issued my duty weapon. Its a brand new Glock 17 with the NY1 trigger spring. After a few days at the range and alot of dry fire practice Ive concluded that the trigger sucks! There are other departments in my area that literally get half the firearms training we do, yet still have no problem issueing stock Glocks. Im dumbfounded that a department who prides themselves on their firearms training would issue a gun with a trigger thats less than ideal(that of course is just my opinion).

Im not new to Glocks. Ive got a fantastic(but modified) G19 that I carry concealed daily with a stock(but polished) trigger that i shoot very well. My goal was to graduate with the Master pistol certification, a goal that was easily within reach with a stock trigger. Unfortunately my duty weapon is not what i hoped it would be. I do realize though that I have to get used to it for the time being....so here goes the questions.

1. First and foremost, what is everyones opinion on this trigger? Its a stock 5.5 with the NY1 spring and it comes in at at least 8 pounds. Thats more than 3 times the weight of the gun by the way.

2. Ive found that I have to use more finger on the trigger in order to get a good, smooth press and a subsequently accurate shot. Has anyone else found this to be true?

3. And finally, does anyone have any tips they could possibly pass along to me regarding how to deal with this ridiculous weight?

If I sound like im whining then I apologize, but i am very dissapointed. Scoring a 100% on firearms was a goal that im very serious about and one I thought I could accomplish. Now ive had the proverbial wrench thrown into my plans. I very much appreciate everyones opinions and assistance!

[igor]

i have a ny 1 in all my glocks and carry it that way all the time. i have no problem qualifying 96 percent to 100% . now i am 61 years old and qual with my 26 and my 19 several time each year. i have other friends who like the regular spring 5 lbs i think and they do fine with it also. i am surprised you are having problems woith it. i qual as a active deputy and a retired police sgt each year and carry my 26 as a backup gun on duty

[ab4ka]

My 2nd gen G19 came to me with a NY1 spring and a 3.5 connector. The weight wasn't bad, it just felt mushy...not the standard, crisp Glock trigger that I'm used to. If you can't change it, all I can suggest is lots of practice.

[LSP552]

Sproggy,

I feel for you. I HATE the NY trigger. Some agencies use it to reduce the likelihood of negligent discharges, failing to realize this is a training issue. Glad we don’t. Having said that, you can learn to shot them, it just takes more concentration.

Be careful with putting too much finger on the trigger, this can prevent a straight press to the rear. Squeezing with the entire hand is another common problem when first exposed to the NY trigger. Focus on the fundaments of sight alignment and trigger control and you will do fine. When shooting this setup, I found I could maintain accuracy by slowing down and concentrating on breaking the shot. The biggest handicap is learning to shoot one well at speed………. Glad I never had to learn.

Good luck, PM me if I can be of any help.

Ken

[NY Glock]

I have the NY 1 trigger on my G27. I think the NY trigger pulls smoother, but it's much different then the stock Glock trigger.

[Ranger357]

Meh, sounds like your just psyching yourself out.

The NY trigger gives a crisper reset, the design is much sturdier than the "stock" spring (some shooters even take the metal spring totally out of the "NY Spring" and use it like that with no problems). I know Mas Ayoob has won competions using the NY sprung Glocks that must be much tougher than your qualification.

I would not sweat the transition that much either. It might have been nice tio get the same trigger you have always shot, but in the grand scheme it's not a big switch. In fact Jerry Miculek worlds greatest revolver shooter once said before a major event he would often change something a bit, add a little paint to the sights or something, just because the change made him focus better.

My Advice dry fire, dry fire, dry fire... , and don't convince yourself that 2 pounds weight (if that) is going to make or break you.

Good luck!



PS: Might want to read this article:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_50/ai_n6209982

[Butch]

I too, am not a fan of the NY trigger spring, I don't mind an 8 lb trigger pull, but MUCH prefer to use the 8 lb connector with a coil spring.

However, being that it's an issue weapon, I would expect that altering it at all might be grounds for dismissal for a rookie/probationer/cadet or whatever your newby status is.

I do have some suggestions for you though.....

Like others have said, dry fire....get used to that trigger....learn to use it.

Use the gun with the NY spring exclusively....put the rest of them away until you master the duty gun and accomplish your goal. Afterwards you might should even consider putting a NY spring in your G19 under the 'train with what you carry, and carry what you train with' rule.

Push up's and pull up's......strengthen your hand and arm muscles.

Be sure to keep the connector/trigger bar interface lubricated! It's important without the NY spring, and more important with the NY spring! I'd even use a little gun grease on it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/MOSTIMPORTANTDROP-.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Glock%20pics/DSC07117.jpg

Good luck!



:patriot:

[pistoleer]

I have a NY1 and 5lb connector in my g17 and g23 and actually like that set up. Snappier reset crisp pull and only a few pounds heavier then stock! Keep playing with it and you'll get used to it trust me.

[JasonC8301]

Dry fire and fire it A LOT.

I have learned to love my 5# connector and NY2 spring to an approx trigger pull of ~12.5 pounds.

Thanks to Butch and a few other guys who solved my issue of wanting to put an 8 # connector with the NY2 spring with an answer of NO, lol. I'll probably get around to that on another Glock I'll add to my stable at a later time. It'll strictly be a range gun and not for duty due to possible light primer strikes.

Reason why I grown accustomed to heavier trigger weights? Stronger arms/fingers (yes, fingers, use left or right hand only during some exercises), and it keeps ammo cost down due to quicker fatigue (also makes me strive more for well aimed shots versus range rambo who dumps a mag and hits my target.)

[GMAN40]

Leave it stock.

[Sproggy]

Leave it stock.

You didnt read this post did you:upeyes:stock is not an option. If it were then I wouldnt be complaining. But thanks.......I guess.:dunno:

As for most everyone else, great advice and i appreciate your time. Of course you are all right. The change is not really a huge deal at all. I put some serious time into it last night and had my "light bulb" moment with this set up. Ive found my sweet spot for the trigger on my finger and Im good to go now.
Still, it bewilders me that they would issue this trigger to members of a department that often have to shoot to survive. Trigger discipline is a training issue, not a hardware issue. Thanks again guys.

[S. Kelly]

Lucky that you didn't have to qualify on the revolvers that were issued prior to the semi-auto revolution. 12+ Lbs trigger pull and only 6 rounds before reloading. I lucked out, we went to G19s in the academy (almost went to Ruger Speed Sixes but we paid Glock just in time-we owed them money!). we then went from the 5 Lb trigger to the 8 Lb connector to the NY2. I got very good with that G19.

[AgentM79]

+1 to keeping the trigger bar/connector junction lubricated - it makes a serious difference in the trigger pull. Also, rest assured that the trigger pull will improve with time (probably a thousand rounds or so), as the trigger bar and connector polish-up. With the NY-1, it is important to isolate the movement of your trigger finger to avoid "milking" the grip (always envision that "my trigger finger is all that is moving"). Also, learn to feel for the trigger reset and don't let it get ahead of you during distance firing. If you let the trigger return too-far forward, envision pressing it rearward to the point where it is about to fire, and then envision "pressing through" the remaining trigger pull (remembering to have only your trigger finger moving). I have been transitioning a 280 member agency to Glock 19's and 26's, and it works for us.

The NY-1 gives two advantages in return for the heavier trigger pull. 1) the trigger resets "harder" and "faster", and 2) the NY-1 spring has no "ends" to break from metal fatigue or corrosion (seen it a few times). Contrary to popular belief, the NY-1 (or NY-2, for that matter) will not do a damned thing to prevent Unintentional Discharges (I believe "accident" and "negligent" are for the brass to determine). A "startle" reflex (with "TF in TG") will easily pull through the NY 1/2 resistance, as will an "interlimb" response (right hand and left hand closing simultaneously, trigger finger pressing trigger in process).
The NY trigger springs were implemented for agencies that were transitioning from revolvers and wanted a more revolver-like trigger pull. No one will confuse the Glock safe-action with a good "DA" revolver (S&W, Ruger), but it is close enough.

[passive101]

I have a NY1 and a stock connector on my glock 26. I have grown to love this combination. I purchased it and it came like this. I wanted to switch it and have decided that benefits of it outweigh the negatives. If I got another glock, I'd probably switch it to a NY1 as well now.

[operator81]

Well from reading your posts you have several options.
(1) Whine and complain that the people who are paying you have added a little more weight to your trigger pull, post said whining on the Internet so other people can also feel sorry for the sad state you are in. :crying:

(2) Quit, afterall, there are employers everywhere excited to hire and invest in someone who quit over something as trivial as trigger pull.

(3) Be a man, practice and practice some more so you can shoot the G17 accurately. LEO's shot DA revolvers for years and have had no trouble hitting their target, you and your NY-1 Glock can do the same if you take the energy spent in whining and put the same energy into practice. Many before you have done it, it ain't that hard. :wavey:

[Sproggy]

Well from reading your posts you have several options.
(1) Whine and complain that the people who are paying you have added a little more weight to your trigger pull, post said whining on the Internet so other people can also feel sorry for the sad state you are in. :crying:

(2) Quit, afterall, there are employers everywhere excited to hire and invest in someone who quit over something as trivial as trigger pull.

(3) Be a man, practice and practice some more so you can shoot the G17 accurately. LEO's shot DA revolvers for years and have had no trouble hitting their target, you and your NY-1 Glock can do the same if you take the energy spent in whining and put the same energy into practice. Many before you have done it, it ain't that hard. :wavey:


Im gonna be honest, im not really sure how to take your post. I think the intent of my original post is pretty clear. Im looking for suggestions on how to deal with the trigger and for opinions from others who have used it. I also said in a subsequent post that through dry practice ive pretty well mastered the weight of the new trigger. Clearly.....Ive gone ahead and solved my own problem much as you suggested in number 3 of your post.

Now lets get one thing straight, im not whining. If anything im being proactive and using my available resources to solve a problem. Oddly enough, that is an attribute often exhibited by an astute police officer. Not once did i ever mention quiting, nor did I entertain the idea of trying to take the easy way out by altering the trigger. I asked for suggestions and gave my opinion. Last time i checked, thats what this forum is all about.

I think your post and your "suggestions" were for the most part pretty worthless. If you take offense to that then Im sorry, but i call it like i see it. Perhaps in the future you should read the topic a couple of times before you respond. That way your answer doesnt come across as rude and misplaced. Its posts like yours that give what i believe to be a solid discussion board the unsavory reputation it has elsewhere on the web. Thanks for the reply.....

[passive101]

Butch I have a NY1 trigger and it looks like your picture. I tried to pull that little tab up for the trigger thing but it doesn't move. however the big metal cross shaped plate moves when I pull the trigger. What am I doing wrong?

[Habu]

OP, the NY1 trigger spring w/stock connector is no big deal. I've got them in all my Glocks, I, like some of the other posters above, like them better that way.

Yes, it is different. I say it's no big deal, because lots of trigger time is the key. Lots of dry firing, lots of time at the range. Trust me, if you dedicate, 800 rnds from now you will hardly notice the difference, except that your reset will be crisper and more well-defined, allowing great control in rapid fire.

As others have said, for extreme accuracy, take up the "slack", confirm sight alignment, and PRESS STRAIGHT BACK through the break.

You will get the hang of it. This is a case of you needing to MASTER your given equipment--let that be your attitude and goal.

Civilians have the "luxury" of being able to customize to their hearts content in the area of weapons. The world of people in uniform is just the opposite.

[chesterdawg]

I've just read a couple books by Ayoob and he states that the NY trigger is the first thing you should do to any Glock...for safety I guess. My finger only goes into the trigger guard when I'm ready to fire so I'll stick with my stock Glocks.

Steve

[Habu]

I've just read a couple books by Ayoob and he states that the NY trigger is the first thing you should do to any Glock...for safety I guess. My finger only goes into the trigger guard when I'm ready to fire so I'll stick with my stock Glocks.

Steve


Right.....but......the OP doesn't have that choice.

[Sniff]

All our work G17s have NY1 triggers fitted. It just takes a little bit of getting used to.

My own G17 has the standard 5.5 (about 6 in mine) bits for IPSC production class.

I don't really notice the difference any more and am happy to use the NY1.

Just practice as often as you can. Live and dry fire.

Sniff