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10aces
08-22-2008, 18:53
08-22-2008 12:41 PM
By RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press Writer

CRAWFORD, Texas (Associated Press) -- President Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki spoke Friday by secure video as work on a plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq by 2011 continued.

"There are still discussions ongoing," said White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe. "It's not done until it's done. And the discussions are really ongoing. And ongoing and ongoing. But hopefully drawing to a conclusion."

Bush is vacationing at his ranch in Texas.

The deal being discussed by U.S. and Iraqi negotiators sets a course for American combat troops to pull out of major Iraqi cities by next June, with a broader exit two years later from the long and costly war that began in March 2003.

The dates could be adjusted if security and political progress in Iraq deteriorate.

There are about 140,000 U.S. forces in Iraq, according to United States Central Command, and more than 4,100 American troops have been killed there.

Johndroe would not discuss specifics of the plan being negotiated, including the dates when U.S. troops might begin to leave. The president has previously resisted a timetable for the departure of U.S. troops.

"There are a lot of details that have to be worked out," Johndroe said.

Increased security in Iraq, which the Bush administration said is due to the so-called surge of U.S. forces more than a year ago, created the conditions for the troop withdrawal negotiations to take place, Johndroe said.

The talks take place as Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama regularly trade shots over progress in Iraq and argue over who is better suited to be commander in chief when Bush leaves office in January.

Obama, the Democratic nominee in waiting, wants all U.S. forces out of Iraq within 16 months of his taking office, saying they are needed in Afghanistan. Violence in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan has increased due to a resurgent Taliban and political instability in Pakistan.

"I am glad that the administration has finally shifted to accepting a timetable for the removal of our combat troops from Iraq," Obama said in a statement released Friday.

"Senator McCain has stubbornly focused on maintaining an indefinite U.S presence in Iraq, but events have made his bluster and record increasingly out of touch with reality," Obama said.

Obama opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq. And he's said the surge of troops has not led to the political reconciliation needed to ensure the country will remain secure once all U.S. troops are gone.

McCain, the Republican candidate, supported the president's January 2007 decision to add 30,000 U.S. troops in Iraq. Those additional troops have returned home.

McCain has also said the security situation in Iraq should dictate any pullout schedule. And he's criticized Obama for not only opposing the troop surge but trying to block the funding that would have allowed the increase.
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As soon as this agreement is made and a time table is established, the Iraqis are going give BIG OIL some contracts. But probably NOT the coveted PSAs they were salivating over.

cphilip
08-22-2008, 18:59
Despite a ton of round about abstract non connected sentences in that post... NONE of them support your title in any way shape nor form...

What was the point of this post?

Ragnar
08-22-2008, 19:07
As soon as this agreement is made and a time table is established, the Iraqis are going give BIG OIL some contracts. But probably NOT the coveted PSAs they were salivating over.


And do you have a non tinfoil hat source for this? :upeyes:

WDavis
08-22-2008, 19:15
all I hear is people whining about how much money we spent winning this war. Its hard to believe they are going to whine if we get some back.

jame
08-22-2008, 19:17
I think it's a GREAT idea!

We show them how to drill efficiently and they sell it to us.

They get fabulously rich, we get oil. Since they'll be rich, they rebuild thieir own country. My gas price goes down, economies are restored. We stop killing them, and they stop killing us.

And if they get lippy again, we mop the desert with 'em.

Simple!

10aces
08-22-2008, 19:31
And do you have a non tinfoil hat source for this? :upeyes:


Just pretend I am that idiot on the radio stating it.

10aces
08-22-2008, 19:32
Despite a ton of round about abstract non connected sentences in that post... NONE of them support your title in any way shape nor form...

What was the point of this post?
Iraq sells oil to Chicoms

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Iraq Poised to Revive Oil Contract With China


By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON
Published: August 19, 2008

BAGHDAD — Iraq is on the verge of reviving an 11-year-old contract with China worth $1.2 billion, its largest oil deal since the invasion in 2003, an Oil Ministry official said Tuesday.

The deal sets new terms for an agreement reached between China and Iraq under Saddam Hussein in 1997. Unlike that agreement, which included production-sharing rights, the new one is a service contract, under which China would be paid for its work at the Ahdab oil field southeast of Baghdad but would not be a partner in the profits.

Hussein al-Shahristani, Iraq’s oil minister, is expected to complete the negotiations when he is in China late this week or early next week, said a ministry official who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the news media. Mr. Shahristani was in Poland with other ministry officials to study its oil industry, the official said.

In an interview that appeared Tuesday on al-Noor, an Iraqi news Web site, Mr. Shahristani said Iraq had decided that the original contract, with the China National Petroleum Corporation, was valid but open to negotiation.

“The Chinese contract was signed with the former regime,” he said. “It’s valid. It was unfair because it was a production-sharing contract. We have negotiated with them for a year. It was turned from a sharing contract into a service contract.”

Despite United Nations-imposed economic sanctions, Iraq had contracts with five foreign oil companies — from China, Russia, Indonesia, India and Vietnam — before the American-led invasion in 2003. Since then, Iraqi officials have been considering how those contracts should be honored.

“After long debate, we decided that those oil contracts should be reconsidered, not to be accepted just like that, because things have changed, the price of oil has changed, the regime is new,” said Thamir al-Ghadban, a former oil minister who advises Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

“We arrived at this consensus, that those oil contracts should be reviewed,” he said.

Three companies had production-sharing contracts for oil fields in Iraq, though the Iraqi government maintains that Saddam Hussein had revoked a contract with the Russian oil giant Lukoil for one of the largest fields.

“Concerning the Russian contract, the former regime had signed it for political reasons and canceled it for political reasons, too,” Mr. Shahristani said in the interview on al-Noor. “This oil field will be put up for transparent public competition.”

The other contracts are being discussed, Mr. Ghadban said, but the agreement with China was the most pressing. Iraq wants the oil from the Ahdab field — expected to produce around 90,000 barrels a day — to supply a planned power station in the province that is expected to be one of the largest in Iraq.

Under service contracts, companies provide technical support and consulting on how to raise oil production. Six other service contracts — with ExxonMobil, Shell, Total, BP, Chevron and some smaller oil companies — were scheduled to be announced by the end of June, but have been stalled in negotiations. The duration of those contracts, which drew international criticism for being awarded without competitive bidding, has been shortened to one year from two, causing some of the interested companies to reconsider.

The contracts were not especially lucrative, but were looked upon as a way to open a relationship with one of the world’s largest oil-producing countries.

“Some of the companies have said one year is hardly worth the investment,” Charles Ries, the chief economic official in the American Embassy in Baghdad, told reporters on Sunday, citing a decision by the Anadarko Petroleum Corporation to abandon plans for a service contract.

“It appears that in present form, they probably won’t proceed on most of these or all,” Mr. Ries said of the Iraqi government, though he added, “Some of the companies are hoping to continue discussions.”

Suadad al-Salhy and Riyadh Mohammed contributed





Coincidence?

fabricator
08-22-2008, 19:48
Typica of the decidier, blows a nut everytime somebody mentions a time table, then the moron sets a timetable, the idiot has spent his whole administration stepping on his wee wee.

Randolph da man
08-22-2008, 20:06
Iraq sells oil to Chicoms

not very bright, are you ?

The deal sets new terms for an agreement reached between China and Iraq under Saddam Hussein in 1997. Unlike that agreement, which included production-sharing rights, the new one is a service contract, under which China would be paid for its work at the Ahdab oil field southeast of Baghdad but would not be a partner in the profits.

10aces
08-25-2008, 00:24
not very bright, are you ?

And you think the Chicoms are in it for the service contract?

You should do a little reading

The Pontificator
08-25-2008, 00:51
Just pretend I am that idiot on the radio stating it.
Art Bell?

:rofl:

10aces
08-25-2008, 00:52
Art Bell?

:rofl:

The other idiot

The Pontificator
08-25-2008, 00:54
The other idiot
Al Franken?

NIB
08-25-2008, 02:27
Troop withdrawl tied to OIL contracts

Iraq sells oil to Chicoms

War for oil, NO?

What are you complaining about then.

Toyman
08-25-2008, 04:26
You idiots were yelling this five years ago - "No war for cheap oil" - that really didn't pan out did it? We aren't really interested in hearing the same bunk again.

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