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hehe ... hello
ASSUMING that i am not limp wristing... would anyone know why my completely bone stock G17 would project spend shells at my face?
It was supposed to be my home defense / carry ... but i dont feel safe with it.
as i fire sequentially at moderate speed every third or fourth round will come flying towards my face...
its quite aggravating. :steamed:
I have been told that since its new i still need to break it in... so i put a couple thousand rounds through it... but the problem still persists.
i actually took a friend shooting with it and a few shells went down her shirt... lol :rofl:
any help/advice would be appreciated
I can't say as I've had that problem with any of my Glocks. Now I have a Walther P38 that consistently throws brass straight back at me. I always wear a hat, whether I'm shooting inside or out to try to avoid brass coming down on me.
I used to have a prob with an EAA Witness I had awhile back when I fired aluminum cases but I traded it and never resolved it.
Worst case scenario trade it off.:supergrin:
JamesAZ83
08-22-2008, 23:38
My 1st gen does the same thing every few rounds. I'v enever had one cut or cause an harm though. I'd advise that you man up and let the skin toughen up j/k.
But seriously, there's no reason I wouldn't trust it. I assume mine had seen more than a ouple thousand rounds prior to my purchasing, and it's seen around 1200 since I've owned it, and the only one problem I ever had was due to a magazine spring which has since been rectified. Never a hiccup since. I wouldn't worry too much about it.
My G19 2nd gen did the same exact thing before I traded it off.
My 3rd gen 17, ejected straight up. When things got hot on the range, it was like a brass geiser. Ya know, like "old faithful"
Was the gun new or used when you bought it?
If it was used, I would replace the recoil spring.
Was the gun new or used when you bought it?
If it was used, I would replace the recoil spring.
i got it brand new from mr glockenheimerweinerschnitzel himself
... but seriously ... i wouldnt be able to tweak or replace the extractor maybe? :dunno:
My 1st gen does the same thing every few rounds. I'v enever had one cut or cause an harm though. I'd advise that you man up and let the skin toughen up j/k.
LOL i should rub sand paper on my forehead or something
i got it brand new from mr glockenheimerweinerschnitzel himself
... but seriously ... i wouldnt be able to tweak or replace the extractor maybe? :dunno:
You could inspect the extracter. I think the problem is with the ejector though.
You can certainly stone the ejector or just buy a new one. They are not very expensive. I would inspect the ejector. If you find a burr, you can stone it. You may want to just replace the part. http://glockparts.com/store/item/ghbh/Trigger_Mechanism_Housings/Trigger_Mechanism_Housing_w_Ejector_9mm_380.html
I have done lots of business with these people. They will treat you right.
Your problem is usually a sign of poor grip and stance. Work with an experienced shooter.
Your problem is usually a sign of poor grip and stance. Work with an experienced shooter.
being a noob i figured that is a great possibility...
so i gave it to a few other ppl to shoot... they were able to duplicate the same problem..
i dont know if i can say they are pros... but they are well seasoned in the shooting of hand guns and such
also i shot my buddy's 19 and never did a shell from his gun fly straight back at me like my 17 does.
anyways... i am feeling safe in saying that it is the gun not the shooter.
You could inspect the extracter. I think the problem is with the ejector though.
You can certainly stone the ejector or just buy a new one. They are not very expensive. I would inspect the ejector. If you find a burr, you can stone it. You may want to just replace the part. http://glockparts.com/store/item/ghbh/Trigger_Mechanism_Housings/Trigger_Mechanism_Housing_w_Ejector_9mm_380.html
I have done lots of business with these people. They will treat you right.
thanks! i will give that a try and let yall know how it goes =]
omega48038
08-23-2008, 02:25
I can't say as I've had that problem with any of my Glocks. Now I have a Walther P38 that consistently throws brass straight back at me. I always wear a hat, whether I'm shooting inside or out to try to avoid brass coming down on me.
I have a P38 that shoots them out at 90 degrees and flings them about 30 feet.
My G17 and Styer both spit them all over the place, no real pattern.
Most of my other guns eject up and right, give or take.
I have a P7 that neatly piles the brass in a twelve inch circle six feet behind my right shoulder.
carbofan21
08-23-2008, 03:15
you're not firing gangsta style are you?
bw-glock
08-23-2008, 03:21
you're not firing gangsta style are you?:rofl:
Try a two handed grip, both arms outstretched, slight bend in the knees, slight bend forward from the waist, chin down, CHIN DOWN, CHIN DOWN!. And wear a baseball cap.
hehe ... hello
ASSUMING that i am not limp wristing... would anyone know why my completely bone stock G17 would project spend shells at my face?
It was supposed to be my home defense / carry ... but i dont feel safe with it.
as i fire sequentially at moderate speed every third or fourth round will come flying towards my face...
its quite aggravating. :steamed:
I have been told that since its new i still need to break it in... so i put a couple thousand rounds through it... but the problem still persists.
i actually took a friend shooting with it and a few shells went down her shirt... lol :rofl:
any help/advice would be appreciated
WOW did you recover the spent casings from her shirt?:whistling:
I had the same problem with a new G17 I bought. Change the LCI extractor to a Non LCI extractor. Pops
If you change the extractor you should also change the spring loaded bearing.:whistling:
nastydru
08-23-2008, 07:28
I just bought a brand new G19 and it does this also, I just figured it was me. It probably does it once or twice every mag. I have about 600-700 rounds thru it......
being a noob i figured that is a great possibility...
so i gave it to a few other ppl to shoot... they were able to duplicate the same problem..
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Not a sign that the problem has been determined. Have you had training from an experienced trainer?
I had an early 17, both 2nd gen 19s do this when I bought them new. Not every shot, but pretty much at least 1-2 rounds per mag would hit me in the forehead. A buddy of mine had the same problem. My wife also had the same problem. I totally fixed mine years ago by taking and tweaking my EJECTOR to where it hits the spent case at around 8 oclock on the rim. It was hitting at 6-6:30 on the rim and I believe that is what is causing your problem. My adjustment may not be what others recommend, but I can't argue with success and it has worked for me for the last 15 years or so. My .45s do not have that problem.
Just so you are sure about where the ejector is, it is the small little bar attached to the frame near the breach face when the slide is locked to the rear.
13bullets
08-23-2008, 09:33
hehe ... hello
i actually took a friend shooting with it and a few shells went down her shirt... lol :rofl:
:needspics:
The system of extraction is reasonably simple, the claw of the extractor fits in to the rim of the cartridge, you want this to be a tight fit, so right off the bat, change the extractor, the plunger spring, and ask glock for the thicker spring loaded bearing, puts more pressure on the claw of the the extractor.
Glock will not sell parts to you, so get an armorer to do this. Have them change the ejector as well, very rarely any problems with the ejector, but why not swap all the bits.
I shoot a kind of weaver, so my right arm is as straight as an arrow, that's worth 3 or 4 inches to the ejected pattern to the right.
Try a bulls eye stance one handed, 45 degree turn to the left. See what happens then.
But changing the parts can't hurt.
Good luck.
Not a sign that the problem has been determined. Have you had training from an experienced trainer?
noo i have not had formal training... i would like to..
but like i mentioned, i've shot a couple of other glocks and this was never a problem with them...
maybe i should have said "ASSUMING its the gun's fault not mine" in the beginning instead... lol =P
who knows maybe everyone else that has tried my gun and duplicated the problem but did not duplicated it with their own glocks/other guns are all shooting incorrectly with just my 17... thats always a possibility.
It could als be the stiff, new recoil spring that needs a little break-in.:upeyes:
Try some Blazer 124-gr FMJ ammo. It's pretty hot stuff and should eject about 15 feet to the right.
It could als be the stiff, new recoil spring that needs a little break-in.:upeyes:
Try some Blazer 124-gr FMJ ammo. It's pretty hot stuff and should eject about 15 feet to the right.
dude if it was just a stiff spring, that would make me a very happy camper... haha thanks i will try out the ammo as well..
also just random tangent.
Thus far i have been a casual recreational shooter and i never plan on carrying or using a pistol for home defense until I take proper courses / training...
i appreciate all of the experienced ppl here and i appreciate all of your input / opinions.
new_master
08-23-2008, 11:54
I had the same exact thing happen to me with a G17 3rd gen out of the box. Every round. After about one mag, I got one hot peice of brass lodged inbetween the corner of my glasses and my eye. Left a nice scar for a few weeks.
Needless to say, extractor went bye bye and so did the G17 after I fixed it. Of course, its brother came home soon after with no issues at all
GroundedCLK
08-23-2008, 11:58
Everyone here is probably right about it being the extractor. I would try putting another spring in first, my friend bought a new G19 that was having the same problem. He changed the spring and the problem went away.
Glockadoodledoo
08-23-2008, 12:08
One of the greatest advantages to owning a GLOCK is that the parts are so damn inexpensive. Try a new extractor or guide rod/recoil spring should fix your problem. If it doesn't well at least you got some more spare parts :cool:
Think about what governs the distance and trajectory of an ejected casing. It's not the extractor. The faster the slide comes back, the farther the casing will be tossed after being bumped by the ejector. The ejector influences the angle. External influences are grip and stance.
Speed of the slide is governed by ammo power, spring strength, operator thumbs riding the slide, and grip/stance. A Weaver Stance is more likely to bounce brass off one's head because the pistol is closer to the head.
Boris Bush
08-23-2008, 12:35
Think about what governs the distance and trajectory of an ejected casing. It's not the extractor. The faster the slide comes back, the farther the casing will be tossed after being bumped by the ejector. The ejector influences the angle. External influences are grip and stance.
Speed of the slide is governed by ammo power, spring strength, operator thumbs riding the slide, and grip/stance. A Weaver Stance is more likely to bounce brass off one's head because the pistol is closer to the head.
That last sentence is spot on! My wife shoots that triangle stance and she is nowhere near as strong as I am and the cases eject to the right, never get close to her head. Then one day she tried shooting Weaver like I do and she went back to her stance after 3 cases hit her ontop of her head.
I don't think changing the EXTRACTOR on a new Glock is going to change anything. All this does is pull the casing back until it hits the EJECTOR. I agree with DannyR. Stance and slide velocity, and ejector angle is what matters.
sigcalcatrant
08-23-2008, 14:05
Try an ejector from a G23.
Captains1911
08-23-2008, 14:22
You siad this is a new gun, correct? If so, I would call Glock, they are very helpful and will take care of you. Screw trying to fix it on your own.
The new G17 that I had that was throwing brass to the forehead was sent to Glock for repair, they replaced the LCI extractor with a non LCI extractor and the gun was fine. I don't make this stuff up. Pops
Cowering in fear of spent shells is no way to fire a Glock.
http://www.whippedcardgame.com/images/youre_not_trying.jpg
The new G17 that I had that was throwing brass to the forehead was sent to Glock for repair, they replaced the LCI extractor with a non LCI extractor and the gun was fine. I don't make this stuff up. Pops
Just swapping the extracor could have worked as well.
passive101
08-23-2008, 14:54
I have a question for the OP.
Did you ever load the gun by putting a round directly into the chamber and then closing the slide over it?
Glocks are only designed to be feed by the magazine and doing it the other way can possibly chip or crack an extractor.
I have a question for the OP.
Did you ever load the gun by putting a round directly into the chamber and then closing the slide over it?
Glocks are only designed to be feed by the magazine and doing it the other way can possibly chip or crack an extractor.
never did that noo sir.
you're not firing gangsta style are you?
LOL ... soo all i gotta do is shoot the gun straightwise and then the shells will go out to the side?
NATE42ND
08-24-2008, 10:29
I had the same exact thing happen to me with a G17 3rd gen out of the box. Every round. After about one mag, I got one hot peice of brass lodged inbetween the corner of my glasses and my eye. Left a nice scar for a few weeks.
Needless to say, extractor went bye bye and so did the G17 after I fixed it. Of course, its brother came home soon after with no issues at all
This is strange, I just went out and shot my new 17. I noticed a couple of cases landed on my arm and 1 hit me in the face. I'm not too worried but It would be nice for them to eject 20 feet to the right like my 35.
13bullets
08-24-2008, 10:49
I had that happen to me ONCE. I was using FIOCCHI (spl?) ammo and that batch apparently had soft primers in them. My striker was penatrating the primer causing the brass to be hung on it. When it hit the ejector it projected the casing out towards me. May not be your problem, but I've never had it happen again.
sidewinder6
08-24-2008, 10:52
Get a hat with a visor. This will save you from even worse having a hot casing wedge between your glasses and your face.
Get a hat with a visor. This will save you from even worse having a hot casing wedge between your glasses and your face.
Good advice, never shoot without a ball cap, wrap around safety glasses, and ear protection.
A little clarification on the two handed hold that will cause less hits of face.
If you use a straight arm weaver, or as they say, a modified weaver, a 20 degree ejection pattern will move the ejected case well pass your face on the right.
Take the triangle grip as one poster called it, really an Isosceles, which puts your shoulders and chest, square on to the target, and the pistol basically 4" more over to the left.
Any deviation of the cases, much more chance of hitting you.
Draw it, a vee pointing away, but the open end being you, the point of the V aiming at the target, now draw a line forward, but starting at the right side of the open, V here > IV see? the point of the V is the gun, and the capital I is the arm. But upside down.
My Saiga .223 rifle spits fired cases forward and to the right (about 20 yards). Talk about positive ejection! I figure it is just the Russian way of adding insult to injury (first we shoot them, then we dump fired cases on them).
My G19 ejects mostly to the right (how I hold it changes the ejection pattern). I once had a case bounce off the lane divider and get trapped between my eyeglasses and my face. Now that really made an impression (as in scar) on me. I wear a hat while shooting to shield me from cases coming straight down now.
- Edit -
I hadn't read as far as the posts above mine. I guess I'm not the only one to get a hot case under the glasses. That really is not fun.
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