View Full Version : Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
SDGlock23
10-04-2008, 09:05
Obama was never a Muslim. Get your facts straight.
Do you live under a rock? You do know he's already mentioned his muslim faith, right?
SDGlock, YOU get your facts straight... That has been typical nonsensical bull**** from your ilk and their likes to try to slander Obama because the Republicans dont like him. It isnt true and never has been but idiots like yourself and others will apparently take it to their graves because it makes it easier to hate him. Hate all you wont, doesnt change the facts, and that he IS GOING to be the next President and Leader of the United States in the world.
SDGlock, YOU get your facts straight... That has been typical nonsensical bull**** from your ilk and their likes to try to slander Obama because the Republicans dont like him. It isnt true and never has been but idiots like yourself and others will apparently take it to their graves because it makes it easier to hate him. Hate all you wont, doesnt change the facts, and that he IS GOING to be the next President and Leader of the United States in the world.
This may not make him a practicing muslim, but it does give him some attachment.
He claims to have no Muslim background, despite having a Muslim father, a Muslim middle name, and being able to recite the first prayer in the Koran from memory, in Arabic. From the NY Times: "Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.'" Obama also admitted to the Times that as a child in Jakarta he "studied the Koran".
Now if McCain's father was a member of the KKK, and McCain said he has no association with the KKK and is not a member, just like barry and his father, would you feel the same way about McCain's background as barry's. Would you and the left wing liberal media be treating McCain just like you and the media feel about barry and his muslim father. Would it be the same bull**** to slander McCain, or would it be smeared on every newspaper and talk show. Would you think McCain is associated with the KKK by the practice of his father.
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farnhamj
10-04-2008, 16:57
Obama isnt a muslim. That line is old. Typical right wing fear-mongering as a last-ditch effort to stop the inevitable; Obama being the next Leader and President of the US.
He admits to being a muslim and daily muslim prayers. I think that makes him a muslim. :dunno:
farnhamj
10-04-2008, 17:07
SDGlock, YOU get your facts straight... That has been typical nonsensical bull**** from your ilk and their likes to try to slander Obama because the Republicans dont like him. It isnt true and never has been but idiots like yourself and others will apparently take it to their graves because it makes it easier to hate him. Hate all you wont, doesnt change the facts, and that he IS GOING to be the next President and Leader of the United States in the world.
He has admitted in at least two interviews that he takes immense joy and fullfillment in his daily muslim prayers...then backsteps...then admits it again. If you have daily muslim prayers and daily muslim prayers arfe only done by muslims, then you are a muslim. If A=B and B=C then A=C. Simple really.
shadow_dog
10-04-2008, 17:47
Change is coming for those that don't believe, IMO, if he gets elected.
cookekdjr
10-04-2008, 21:34
One of my biggest joys this January will be watching all the bigotted losers gnashing their teeth at BHO's swearing in. Everybody who has forwarded an email that they either knew was a lie or didn't bother to fact check will be beside themselves. Everybody who posted some b.s. about BHO being a muslim will be just another loser like those guys who told us the world would end in on 1/1/2000. What a bunch of morons.
It's one thing if you don't like BHO's policies. Fine, it's America. Vote for the other guy. But when you continually post lies about a guy when in the days of the internet we can call you on your b.s. immediately, what are you? A pathetic lying loser.
Keep posting. I like knowing where the stupid people are. By the way, the NY times article about BHO's childhood days in Indonesia? I read it. Nice job of taking something out of context.
I still believe America could produce two better candidates but how can you blame anybody wanting to go through all the bs and living under a microscope for a job that pays so little.You have to have a big ego and want to be a part of history.We are lucky to have anybody who wants to run.Once they become President I don't care what party wins( yes I do ) President needs line item veto.President Regan asked for this and never got it even when republicans controlled both house and senate.
He reminds me of a used car salesman.A silver tongue devil ! In a word no!
SDGlock23
10-05-2008, 06:41
SDGlock, YOU get your facts straight... That has been typical nonsensical bull**** from your ilk and their likes to try to slander Obama because the Republicans dont like him. It isnt true and never has been...
Dude, it's on video.
Here is a list of barry's claims, I did not write this, if i did, I would be a racist according to liberals. This thread is about barry's qualities to be president, i'm just pointing out some of those qualities by way of the news.
Here's a thought, if 90% of black people vote for barry; is it racism that drives their vote.
TERRY ANDERSON, A BLACK LOS ANGELES TALK RADIO HOST, WENT DOWN A LIST OF THINGS SENATOR OBAMA HAS SAID THAT AREN'T EXACTLY CORRECT.
Obama's Not Exactlys
1.) Selma March Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965 (Google'Obama Selma ' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya . It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Oba ma, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.
Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya , his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in islam'' http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia , I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn except how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.
31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.
33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.
35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.
38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
39.) My uncle liberated Auschwitz concentration camp - NOT EXACTLY, your mother had no brothers and the Russ I an army did the liberating.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/09/13/black-talk-host-says-obama-not-truthful-reveals-facts/
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TangoFoxtrot
10-05-2008, 10:11
None of the above!:whistling:
Yes I do think so, because he is a savvy political animal and was able to climb to the top, first at Columbia and Harvard and then in the U.S. Senate. But a lot of men have done that. Another question is:
Will he do well as President? That's an entirely different question, the answer of which depends on so many variables that for me to offer an opinion would amount to little more than a prediction. :drillsgt:
RyanSBHF
10-05-2008, 20:10
He has admitted in at least two interviews that he takes immense joy and fullfillment in his daily muslim prayers...then backsteps...then admits it again. If you have daily muslim prayers and daily muslim prayers arfe only done by muslims, then you are a muslim. If A=B and B=C then A=C. Simple really.
Remember liberals "logic", 2 + 2 = 5.
Brian Lee
10-06-2008, 00:13
The most important "qualification" we need in a president right now, is honest intentions about really wanting the middle class to become better off than we now are. Can't say if Obama has that in him or not. I can only say that I think we have already seen proof that we have not had honest intentions in a president or a congressman in a very long time. I'm still a republican, but George Bush is an unpatriotic criminal in disguise trying to distract us while we all take it up the butt.
THose of you of hear some outlandish lie from Palin or the McCain campaign or other right wing websites that have ZERO credentials who continually post the stuff make you as dumb as the people you SAY are voting for Obama.
Lets see.. Hear something, too lazy to get off your ass and RESEARCH the FACTS so you just copy and paste the bull**** :) Thats easier right?
However, the problem for you guys is 2 fold...
1. it makes you look like a total fool and lazy ass.
2. it totally undermines your claim that people who vote for Obama are ignorant because YOU are being used by campaigners to spread their nonsensical lies.
Its a good thing that the Republican party can count on ignorant people to spread their lies about their opponent. However, the bad news for you guys and the good news for intelligent people who seek out the truth, is that the VAST majority of people in this nation are going to ELECT OBAMA this November. I cannot wait. ***** and moan all you want.... Obama is the next LEADER of our nation. Cry and post those cries in vain online.... Its all you can do at this point. McCain is done. He and Palin never had anything for Obama/Biden anyways... The American people know it and have all along.
Lady Glock
10-06-2008, 10:58
THose of you of hear some outlandish lie from Palin or the McCain campaign or other right wing websites that have ZERO credentials who continually post the stuff make you as dumb as the people you SAY are voting for Obama.
Lets see.. Hear something, too lazy to get off your ass and RESEARCH the FACTS so you just copy and paste the bull**** :) Thats easier right?
However, the problem for you guys is 2 fold...
1. it makes you look like a total fool and lazy ass.
2. it totally undermines your claim that people who vote for Obama are ignorant because YOU are being used by campaigners to spread their nonsensical lies.
Its a good thing that the Republican party can count on ignorant people to spread their lies about their opponent. However, the bad news for you guys and the good news for intelligent people who seek out the truth, is that the VAST majority of people in this nation are going to ELECT OBAMA this November. I cannot wait. ***** and moan all you want.... Obama is the next LEADER of our nation. Cry and post those cries in vain online.... Its all you can do at this point. McCain is done. He and Palin never had anything for Obama/Biden anyways... The American people know it and have all along.I don't have a crystal ball to see what the results will be on election day. I just hope and pray you are forced to eat your words. You seem awefully certain and even result in attacks in your posts. I hope to be able to come back after the election and laugh at your insane posts.
The exhaustingly, sometimes infuriatingly long campaign of 2008 (and 2007) has had at least one virtue: it has demonstrated that Obama's intelligence and steady temperament are not just figments of the writer's craft. He has made mistakes, to be sure. (His failure to accept McCain's imaginative proposal for a series of unmediated joint appearances was among them.) But, on the whole, his campaign has been marked by patience, planning, discipline, organization, technological proficiency, and strategic astuteness. Obama has often looked two or three moves ahead, relatively impervious to the permanent hysteria of the hourly news cycle and the cable-news shouters. And when crisis has struck, as it did when the divisive antics of his ex-pastor threatened to bring down his campaign, he has proved equal to the moment, rescuing himself with a speech that not only drew the poison but also demonstrated a profound respect for the electorate. Although his opponents have tried to attack him as a man of "mere" words, Obama has returned eloquence to its essential place in American politics. The choice between experience and eloquence is a false one––something that Lincoln, out of office after a single term in Congress, proved in his own campaign of political and national renewal. Obama's "mere" speeches on everything from the economy and foreign affairs to race have been at the center of his campaign and its success; if he wins, his eloquence will be central to his ability to govern.
We cannot expect one man to heal every wound, to solve every major crisis of policy. So much of the Presidency, as they say, is a matter of waking up in the morning and trying to drink from a fire hydrant. In the quiet of the Oval Office, the noise of immediate demands can be deafening. And yet Obama has precisely the temperament to shut out the noise when necessary and concentrate on the essential. The election of Obama—a man of mixed ethnicity, at once comfortable in the world and utterly representative of twenty-first-century America—would, at a stroke, reverse our country's image abroad and refresh its spirit at home. His ascendance to the Presidency would be a symbolic culmination of the civil- and voting-rights acts of the nineteen-sixties and the century-long struggles for equality that preceded them. It could not help but say something encouraging, even exhilarating, about the country, about its dedication to tolerance and inclusiveness, about its fidelity, after all, to the values it proclaims in its textbooks. At a moment of economic calamity, international perplexity, political failure, and battered morale, America needs both uplift and realism, both change and steadiness. It needs a leader temperamentally, intellectually, and emotionally attuned to the complexities of our troubled globe.
While I did not write it and do not pass it off as my own, I thought this was interesting.
I will not subscribe to this thread as I have no interest in getting in a fight about this issue, but I hope this provokes some thought in people, rather than simple non-thinking angry reactions.
flynjump
10-06-2008, 11:43
My only comment for Meshmdz is, what is he going to do when Obama comes and confiscates all his firearms. I just can't believe anyone who is on this site can actually support that terrorist loving socialist and his America hating wife.
Sorry, but just my humble opinion.
My only comment for Meshmdz is, what is he going to do when Obama comes and confiscates all his firearms. I just can't believe anyone who is on this site can actually support that terrorist loving socialist and his America hating wife.
Sorry, but just my humble opinion.
HAHA. Too bad Obama and the military as some have advocated on this thread, will NOT be coming to take my Glocks or my rifles. I love the fear-mongering rhetoric though.
Once again, MOST Americans vote for the person they think that can do the best for this nation and not based on ONE solitary issue, like many of you on here. Not only are you voting on ONE issue, you are resorting to copy and pasting lies to make yourself feel better about it. Its ok though. Just wait. Look at the polls. The same polls that predicted Bush would beat Kerry in 2004 by 3 million votes are saying Obama is going to win all Kerry won and Colorado, New Mexico, PA, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina. Whoa how it must suck to be knowing your candidate (McCain) is going to lose. :tongueout:
Lady Glock
10-06-2008, 12:31
HAHA. Too bad Obama and the military as some have advocated on this thread, will NOT be coming to take my Glocks or my rifles. I love the fear-mongering rhetoric though.
Once again, MOST Americans vote for the person they think that can do the best for this nation and not based on ONE solitary issue, like many of you on here. Not only are you voting on ONE issue, you are resorting to copy and pasting lies to make yourself feel better about it. Its ok though. Just wait. Look at the polls. The same polls that predicted Bush would beat Kerry in 2004 by 3 million votes are saying Obama is going to win all Kerry won and Colorado, New Mexico, PA, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina. Whoa how it must suck to be knowing your candidate (McCain) is going to lose. :tongueout:The media were saying that Mondale would win against Reagan too. They said it was too close to call in several battleground states and they said several times that they were calling it for mondale. Funny thing is...it went all for Reagan with the exception of Minnesota, which just happened to be Mondale's home state. :rofl:
farnhamj
10-06-2008, 14:07
THose of you of hear some outlandish lie from Palin or the McCain campaign or other right wing websites that have ZERO credentials who continually post the stuff make you as dumb as the people you SAY are voting for Obama.
Lets see.. Hear something, too lazy to get off your ass and RESEARCH the FACTS so you just copy and paste the bull**** :) Thats easier right?
However, the problem for you guys is 2 fold...
1. it makes you look like a total fool and lazy ass.
2. it totally undermines your claim that people who vote for Obama are ignorant because YOU are being used by campaigners to spread their nonsensical lies.
Its a good thing that the Republican party can count on ignorant people to spread their lies about their opponent. However, the bad news for you guys and the good news for intelligent people who seek out the truth, is that the VAST majority of people in this nation are going to ELECT OBAMA this November. I cannot wait. ***** and moan all you want.... Obama is the next LEADER of our nation. Cry and post those cries in vain online.... Its all you can do at this point. McCain is done. He and Palin never had anything for Obama/Biden anyways... The American people know it and have all along.
You need to stop talking. You claim these lies are spread without any research. Check out the tapes of LIVE interviews. They aren't doctored. They are BO's exact words that are being repeated. The long list of "not exactlys" are taking his EXACT words and RESEARCHING to find the correct answers. It is so sad that you are so brainwashed.
farnhamj
10-06-2008, 14:16
HAHA. Too bad Obama and the military as some have advocated on this thread, will NOT be coming to take my Glocks or my rifles. I love the fear-mongering rhetoric though.
Once again, MOST Americans vote for the person they think that can do the best for this nation and not based on ONE solitary issue, like many of you on here. Not only are you voting on ONE issue, you are resorting to copy and pasting lies to make yourself feel better about it. Its ok though. Just wait. Look at the polls. The same polls that predicted Bush would beat Kerry in 2004 by 3 million votes are saying Obama is going to win all Kerry won and Colorado, New Mexico, PA, Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina. Whoa how it must suck to be knowing your candidate (McCain) is going to lose. :tongueout:
It may not be a one-issue decision but it is a large issue. Not that it will happen but it may, when guns are gonna be tried to be taken from us it will be a sad day. For one, can you possibly imagine if a governement(lets say under Obama)can take away your guns, what else can they take away. I am on really not in the mood to become a socialist state(with a socialist leader). Second, I don't see how a country can effectively rout out terrorists from the Arab world(which we are fighting in now) with an Arab/muslim/whatever the hell you want to call him POTUS. With a future in the military, you might want to thing about that.
farnhamj
10-06-2008, 14:23
The media were saying that Mondale would win against Reagan too. They said it was too close to call in several battleground states and they said several times that they were calling it for mondale. Funny thing is...it went all for Reagan with the exception of Minnesota, which just happened to be Mondale's home state. :rofl:
Look at who is doing the polls. CNN says that Obama is leading. Fox says Mccain is leading...etc etc. everyone is going to be biased to their cause, and the do their polls where they know that they are going to get the answers they want for the viewers that are watching them. Just vote the better of the two, (or the lesser of two evil, however you see it) and then we will see in a month who will be in charge. Either way, half of the nation is going to say it is the saddest day of their lives and the economy will still function, and wars will still be fought and everyone who voted for the losing candidate will complain that we would be better off if the "other guy" won and the world will still spin.
Just before you vote, think about the real issues at hand and who you would rather be dealing with them for the next 4 years. It seems too many people think about whether Biden or Palin would make the better POTUS. News flash, they aren't running for that POTUS. Some people need to think it over a little harder.
PAGunner
10-06-2008, 16:42
SDGlock, YOU get your facts straight... That has been typical nonsensical bull**** from your ilk and their likes to try to slander Obama because the Republicans dont like him. It isnt true and never has been but idiots like yourself and others will apparently take it to their graves because it makes it easier to hate him. Hate all you wont, doesnt change the facts, and that he IS GOING to be the next President and Leader of the United States in the world.
He might be the next president of the United States, but I can assure you that he will be the leader that takes the US from the status of superpower to a country with a 3rd rate economy and 3rd rate military, along with plenty of restrictions on freedom to go around. Your right, he is not a muslim, but he has definitely bought into a religion and ideology of hate.
If you still want to vote for Obama after reading the information I present to you below, then I don't know what to say, I'm flat out speechless.
Since you wish to make your career in the military, here is what your peers already know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0du8wMLzEY
Here is a video that connects the dots for slow learners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a46g9cWQ5E
(I listed part 2 of 2 first because it is the meat and potatos of all you need to know about this radical)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olJLKAQMDRM&feature=related
We all know about the William Aires connection, so I'm sure I don't have to spell that one out for you, but here is another connection to a radical (seems to have "red" good ole Saul's book):
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4784
Saul Alinsky’s son: “Obama learned his lesson well”
By Judi McLeod Tuesday, September 2, 2008
In Artful Dodger style, Barack Obama, plays down his mentorship with Communist author Saul Alinsky. But Alinsky’s son, L. David Alinsky, credits Obama for “learning his lesson well” from the Communist guru.
Indeed, Alinsky Jr. who credits his late father for the success of last week’s Democratic National Convention, may have done something that Obama’s detractors couldn’t: blown the cover on the presidential hopeful’s communist leanings.
No one can blame Alinsky for the pretentiousness of the Ancient Greek Temple from which Obama addressed plebes, or for the tacky neon colours on display at the Pepsi Centre, but it was Alinsky who wrote Rules for Radicals, the bible of the far left.
Says Alinsky’s son L. David Alinsky of his father’s influence at the Dem Convention: “ALL the elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situation and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.”
“The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style, the Communist guru’s son wrote in a letter published yesterday in the Boston Globe.
The Artful Dodger may be less than pleased that he has been pegged as a Saul Alinsky Poster Boy by the guru’s own son.
“Barack Obama’s training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness,” Alinsky Jr. wrote to the Globe. “It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.
“I am proud to see that my father’s model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday.”
Alinsky should be reminded that the West has stared down communism everywhere it has raised its hideous head.
influencing a Democratic convention from the grave pales in comparison to the results that followed President Ronald Reagan’s famous words, “Mr. Gorbachev, take down this wall.”
The commonsense and freedom-loving Gipper would have chuckled at the audacity of Obama’s Ancient Greek Temple stage setting and would have told Obama what he told the world: “All great change in America begins at the dinner table.”
Reagan also said: “I have seen the rise and fall of Nazi tyranny, the subsequent cold war and the nuclear nightmare that for 50 years haunted the dreams of children everywhere. During that time my generation defeated totalitarianism. As a result, your world is poised for better tomorrows. What will you do on your journey?”
“Alinsky considered himself a realist above all, the ultimate pragmatist.” (American Thinker, Aug. 30, 2008). “As a confirmed atheist, Alinsky believed that the here and now is all there is, and therefore had no qualms about assorted versions of morality in the pursuit of worldly power. He didn’t coddle his radical acolytes or encourage their bourgeois distinctions between good and evil when it came to transferring power from the Haves to the Have Nots. Alinsky saw the already formed church communities as being the perfect springboards for agitation and creating bonds for demanding goods and services.”
Obama followed the same path.
It is a fact that activist-cum senator Barack Hussein Obama started off his career as an activist with a position as a community organizer for the Developing Communities Project (DCP) of the Calumet Community Religious conference (CCRC) in Chicago. Both the CCRC and the DCP were built on the Alinsky model of community agitation, wherein paid organizers learned, in Alinsky’s own words, how to “rub raw the sores of discontent”.
Meanwhile L. David Alinsky, perhaps unwittingly put Obama into the proper perspective by stating without reservation: “Obama learned his lesson well.”
PAGunner
10-06-2008, 16:48
HAHA. Too bad Obama and the military as some have advocated on this thread, will NOT be coming to take my Glocks or my rifles. I love the fear-mongering rhetoric though.
:shocked:, sadly, you will be suprised when Obama passes every gun control legislation there is, short of an all out ban. The only way this won't happen is if the blue dog democrats actually show some back bone and don't vote with the loons running the asylum lock step, and I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
PAGunner
10-06-2008, 16:55
My only comment for Meshmdz is, what is he going to do when Obama comes and confiscates all his firearms. I just can't believe anyone who is on this site can actually support that terrorist loving socialist and his America hating wife.
:dunno:, just on this site? Hell, I can't imagine why anyone with an IQ over 90 and is not mentally insane would wanna vote for the guy, outside of all the socialist/communist/black liberation thelogy goons that is.
I believe BHO is more than qualified to be president of some distant European land which loves socialism and mediocrity.
Look at who is doing the polls. CNN says that Obama is leading. Fox says Mccain is leading...etc etc. everyone is going to be biased to their cause, and the do their polls where they know that they are going to get the answers they want for the viewers that are watching them. Just vote the better of the two, (or the lesser of two evil, however you see it) and then we will see in a month who will be in charge. Either way, half of the nation is going to say it is the saddest day of their lives and the economy will still function, and wars will still be fought and everyone who voted for the losing candidate will complain that we would be better off if the "other guy" won and the world will still spin.
Just before you vote, think about the real issues at hand and who you would rather be dealing with them for the next 4 years. It seems too many people think about whether Biden or Palin would make the better POTUS. News flash, they aren't running for that POTUS. Some people need to think it over a little harder.
Hmmmm , that is interesting coming from someone who says they bring the "facts" to the table... Sean Hannity and Dick Morris just said McCain is "way behind from where he was 10 days ago."
The fact is, Obama is leading marginally and is going to win. Its sad that people are more bent on bashing him and his ideas for this nation which are NOT bad. Building the middle class, taxing the rich, lowering gas prices, BUILDING the military (Army by 65,000, Marines by 27,000), making college more affordable for Americans, bringing healthcare to those who arent covered under private plans, and working on environmental incentives to make sure that the environment is taken care of, just to name a few...
But no, many of you want to bash him and call him un-American, a friend of terrorists, etc... Its ok, the American people arent buying your lies and saying he is going to gut or cut the military is bunk on all accounts. You have NO evidence of anything he has said regarding this false claim.
:shocked:, sadly, you will be suprised when Obama passes every gun control legislation there is, short of an all out ban. The only way this won't happen is if the blue dog democrats actually show some back bone and don't vote with the loons running the asylum lock step, and I haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
You think just because someone is a Democrat or votes Democrat that they are going to support the unlawful ban of firearms in the USA? If so, you and many like you are fools. I am a Southern Democrat and have some views that some Democrats share and some that they do not. For one, I dont agree whole-heartedly with Obama's gun control stance. I dont. However, I will not let that stop me from voting for him because McCain is nothing more than 4 more years of Bush and that is NOT what this nation needs. How foolish can you be to say, Im going to vote for someone that I dont think will enact certain gun control measures so I will have my guns... But the economy is going to be worse, the middle class is evaporating into this air, the rich are getting richer, gas prices will continue to soar, more Americans will lose their homes/healthcare/jobs, etc... But BY GOD, my AR-15 will be in my bedroom...:rofl: Get real.
farnhamj
10-06-2008, 20:07
The fact is, Obama is leading marginally and is going to win. Its sad that people are more bent on bashing him and his ideas for this nation which are NOT bad. Building the middle class, taxing the rich, lowering gas prices, BUILDING the military (Army by 65,000, Marines by 27,000), making college more affordable for Americans, bringing healthcare to those who arent covered under private plans, and working on environmental incentives to make sure that the environment is taken care of, just to name a few...
Every candidate makes these promises. I want to see a plan. What do you mean by build the middle class?. Taxing the rich is a joke. His plan is to increase tax for anyone who grosses over $250,000. That is more than half the small business owners, the "middle class." How is he going to build the military? Drafting again?
College is affordable for many people. You just have to face the facts that you take out college loans and pay them back when you have a job after graduation. Should we just GIVE money to them to pay for college or make them earn it and appreciate it more.
Healthcare is a joke here. The insurance companies run healthcare. We need more people off medicare/madicade and get real jobs and pay for healthcare themselves. Wanna fix healthcare, fix insurance companies...then again you can't when the lobbiests and politicians are in the ins co pockets. I really don't think that Obama can do that.
But no, many of you want to bash him and call him un-American, a friend of terrorists, etc...
BUT HE IS!!!! Why do you overlook that a person that wants to be pres of the USA has large ties to terrorists and whose wife is ANTI-USA. Friggin amazing.
PAGunner
10-06-2008, 21:43
You think just because someone is a Democrat or votes Democrat that they are going to support the unlawful ban of firearms in the USA? If so, you and many like you are fools. I am a Southern Democrat and have some views that some Democrats share and some that they do not. For one, I dont agree whole-heartedly with Obama's gun control stance. I dont. However, I will not let that stop me from voting for him because McCain is nothing more than 4 more years of Bush and that is NOT what this nation needs. How foolish can you be to say, Im going to vote for someone that I dont think will enact certain gun control measures so I will have my guns... But the economy is going to be worse, the middle class is evaporating into this air, the rich are getting richer, gas prices will continue to soar, more Americans will lose their homes/healthcare/jobs, etc... But BY GOD, my AR-15 will be in my bedroom...:rofl: Get real.
What is wrong with "the rich getting richer"? What about more people becoming "rich" (ie, millionaires)? Is that a bad thing? The Bush tax cuts allowed people to prosper.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/06/15/pf/millionaires/index.htm
Return of the millionaires
Report says number of new millionaires jumped 14% in 2003 as the U.S. emerged from recession.
June 15, 2004: 2:20 PM EDT
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - They're back!
The number of millionaires in the United States surged 14 percent in 2003, to 2.3 million, according to the World-Wide Wealth of High Net Worth Individuals survey released Tuesday by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini.
"High net worth individuals benefited from a strong stock market rally and solid, global economic growth," said James Gorman, president of Merrill Lynch's Global Private Client group. "They were able to capitalize on these trends despite a great deal of geopolitical uncertainty."
In 2002, when the S&P 500 stock index dropped 22 percent, the number of high net worth individuals (defined as those with $1 million or more in investment capital excluding home equity) fell 100,000. The S&P rallied 28.7 percent in 2003.
Worldwide, a half a million individuals joined the millionaire's club, which topped 7.7 million. Their overall wealth topped $28.8 trillion, a jump of 7.7 percent over the year before.
The United States produced the most new millionaires but Hong Kong, at 30 percent, and India, at 22 percent showed the largest percentage gains. China, with a 12 percent jump in millionaires, was right behind the United States.
Europe's elite grew more modestly; the number of new millionaires there climbed just 2.4 percent to a total of 2.6 million.
The report asserted that many of the wealthy returned to stocks last year after, to a large degree, sitting out the stock market decline of 2001. Rather than trying to create new wealth, they opted to preserve their assets during the down times by investing in fixed income vehicles, real estate, and keeping lots of cash.
Many U.S. millionaires benefited from tax law changes undertaken by the Bush administration, according to the report. The Tax Relief Act of 2001 meant a drop in the maximum tax bracket to 35 percent for 2003.
The trend to alternate investments such as hedge funds, which often offer higher returns continued in 2003, increasing to 13 percent of the total invested, up from 10 percent in 2002.
Robert Fairbairn, managing director of Merril Lynch Investment Managers, says "Investment in these has become mainstream in the last three to four years."
The report predicted that the wealth of millionaires would continue to grow at a high rate, 7 percent annually though 2008. North America's wealthy, with 10.7 percent growth, will lead the way.
I am done with this thread. The fact is, GW Bush hasnt done jack squat for the middle class and more people becoming millionaires is nice isnt it??? Too bad they only account for less than 2% of the population in the USA. I am done with this thread. You have your thoughts, you know who you are voting for and I know my thoughts and whom I am casting my vote for. Im just regretful that this thread has come to blows amongst Glockers when it has accomplished nothing.
PAGunner
10-07-2008, 07:25
I am done with this thread. The fact is, GW Bush hasnt done jack squat for the middle class and more people becoming millionaires is nice isnt it??? Too bad they only account for less than 2% of the population in the USA. I am done with this thread. You have your thoughts, you know who you are voting for and I know my thoughts and whom I am casting my vote for. Im just regretful that this thread has come to blows amongst Glockers when it has accomplished nothing.
Buddy, the only thing a president can do is make this country more attractive for industry to come here, creating more jobs and upward pressure of incomes in order to attract the best and brightest. The president doesn't make jobs or give pay increases, if you believe that is how it works, you don't understand the economy. What exactly do you think Obama is gonna do to make this country more competitive? Do you realize Russia's economy has been growing at an unreal rate? Why do you think that is, do you think it has something to do with the 13% FLAT TAX RATE? Why do you think companies are taking jobs overseas? Our taxes are too high, yet Obama is gonna attract jobs to this country by increasing taxes? I'm mystified as to why so many people who vote democrat actually believe that is gonna work. Do you remember the Carter years? If you ever decide to go to college or go back to college, I recommend taking up Accounting, Finance or Economics.
Regarding GWB, he was clearly a big government guy (code word for quasi socialist), but not as bad as president Obama is gonna be, I can garantee you that. GWB's problem is he wanted his cake and to eat it too. He wanted to cut taxes and spend more, but you can't do both. Obama just wants to flat out spend more (his eventual goal is to move us hard toward socialism), and you can't do that and have the country remain a superpower, and being a superpower is key to having a thriving middle class. I want you to tell me exactly what you believe Obama is gonna do for the middle class? Because I'm stumped on this one.
Btw, if you are a true "Southern Democrat", then you shouldn't even be a democrat anymore, as your party has left you and become the party of the socialist agenda. Blue dogs don't even fit in the democrat party, seriously.
PAGunner
10-07-2008, 07:38
I am done with this thread. The fact is, GW Bush hasnt done jack squat for the middle class and more people becoming millionaires is nice isnt it??? Too bad they only account for less than 2% of the population in the USA. I am done with this thread. You have your thoughts, you know who you are voting for and I know my thoughts and whom I am casting my vote for. Im just regretful that this thread has come to blows amongst Glockers when it has accomplished nothing.
Your dam right its nice! Do you mean to tell me, you meshmdz would not want to be a millionare? That less than 2% that are millionares? The vast majority of them got there through hard work, and you two could get there if you have the ambition, that is part of what is so great about capitalism. Low tax rates go hand in hand with prosperity (ie, more "rich people" and a growing middle class). Russia is even more capitalist than we are right now, if we continue to slide toward socialism, they will continue to grow and will trump us economically and militarily within 20 years, garantee it.
OneGlock19
10-08-2008, 10:46
Buddy, the only thing a president can do is make this country more attractive for industry to come here, creating more jobs and upward pressure of incomes in order to attract the best and brightest. The president doesn't make jobs or give pay increases, if you believe that is how it works, you don't understand the economy. What exactly do you think Obama is gonna do to make this country more competitive? Do you realize Russia's economy has been growing at an unreal rate? Why do you think that is, do you think it has something to do with the 13% FLAT TAX RATE? Why do you think companies are taking jobs overseas? Our taxes are too high, yet Obama is gonna attract jobs to this country by increasing taxes? I'm mystified as to why so many people who vote democrat actually believe that is gonna work. Do you remember the Carter years? If you ever decide to go to college or go back to college, I recommend taking up Accounting, Finance or Economics.
Regarding GWB, he was clearly a big government guy (code word for quasi socialist), but not as bad as president Obama is gonna be, I can garantee you that. GWB's problem is he wanted his cake and to eat it too. He wanted to cut taxes and spend more, but you can't do both. Obama just wants to flat out spend more (his eventual goal is to move us hard toward socialism), and you can't do that and have the country remain a superpower, and being a superpower is key to having a thriving middle class. I want you to tell me exactly what you believe Obama is gonna do for the middle class? Because I'm stumped on this one.
Btw, if you are a true "Southern Democrat", then you shouldn't even be a democrat anymore, as your party has left you and become the party of the socialist agenda. Blue dogs don't even fit in the democrat party, seriously.
Only have one question... why go back so far to Carter...? There was another democrat in the white house since him and he did 2 terms and he left the current dimwit with a surpluss... I would venture to say that, that was the last time the US was fiscally responsible and prosperous.. under a democrat...
PAGunner
10-08-2008, 12:05
Only have one question... why go back so far to Carter...? There was another democrat in the white house since him and he did 2 terms and he left the current dimwit with a surpluss... I would venture to say that, that was the last time the US was fiscally responsible and prosperous.. under a democrat...
Because Barack Hussein Obama is as liberal as Carter, to the point where I consider him a socialist. Bill Clinton, was what I would consider a moderate democrat, particularly after his first 2 years (he learned his lesson from the AWB). The republicans gave Bill Clinton the line item veto in 1996, and while it was later ruled unconstitutional, Clinton used it (to his credit, but more importantly to the republicans credit who granted it to him, specifically Bob Dole and John McCain, who sponsored the bill) to cut out lots of fat. That fat he cut, is where the projected surplusses came from. Hmmm, John McCain co-sponsored the line item veto act of 1996? The same act that led to projected surplusses? Dang, I wonder how many voters know that (I'd bet less than 0.5%).
Also, there are only so many things a president can do to effect a capitalist economy, two of them are to lower taxes AND cut spending (this is where Bush raped the US). Technology and innovation is what made the 90s prosperous. While I don't blame Clinton for it, you have to go back to April of the year 2000 to see what was the start of a recession that was passed down to Bush (and believe me, I'm not making excuses for Bush). Albeit, Clinton cut some spending areas I would have left alone and let others go through I would have cut, it demonstrated the line item veto worked. We now need a consitutional amendment that grants the line item veto, and I'd be all for it going through, its a good thing for the country.
Does that answer your question?
OneGlock19
10-08-2008, 13:02
Because Barack Hussein Obama is as liberal as Carter, to the point where I consider him a socialist. Bill Clinton, was what I would consider a moderate democrat, particularly after his first 2 years (he learned his lesson from the AWB). The republicans gave Bill Clinton the line item veto in 1996, and while it was later ruled unconstitutional, Clinton used it (to his credit, but more importantly to the republicans credit who granted it to him, specifically Bob Dole and John McCain, who sponsored the bill) to cut out lots of fat. That fat he cut, is where the projected surplusses came from. Hmmm, John McCain co-sponsored the line item veto act of 1996? The same act that led to projected surplusses? Dang, I wonder how many voters know that (I'd bet less than 0.5%).
Also, there are only so many things a president can do to effect a capitalist economy, two of them are to lower taxes AND cut spending (this is where Bush raped the US). Technology and innovation is what made the 90s prosperous. While I don't blame Clinton for it, you have to go back to April of the year 2000 to see what was the start of a recession that was passed down to Bush (and believe me, I'm not making excuses for Bush). Albeit, Clinton cut some spending areas I would have left alone and let others go through I would have cut, it demonstrated the line item veto worked. We now need a consitutional amendment that grants the line item veto, and I'd be all for it going through, its a good thing for the country.
Does that answer your question?
Yes it does and very eloquently as well.. now I will fact check this and report back any discrepencies...
another question...
BUT HE IS!!!! Why do you overlook that a person that wants to be pres of the USA whose wife is ANTI-USA. Friggin amazing.
I'd like to know your response to this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eniG9l_7its
This could be considered ANTI-USA...
If you are earning less than $250,000 a year and you are supporting John McCain, you are making a major financial mistake. Every independent group of tax and financial experts from the Tax Policy Center to Factcheck.org has said Barack Obama’s tax plan will provide three times as many cuts as McCain’s plan will to those in the lower and middle class. Don't believe me, check the stats.
Lady Glock
10-08-2008, 13:22
If you are earning less than $250,000 a year and you are supporting John McCain, you are making a major financial mistake. Every independent group of tax and financial experts from the Tax Policy Center to Factcheck.org has said Barack Obama’s tax plan will provide three times as many cuts as McCain’s plan will to those in the lower and middle class. Don't believe me, check the stats.He CANNOT cut taxes and accomplish all the other things he has promised. The healthcare promises alone will require everyone to pay more in taxes.
He CANNOT cut taxes and accomplish all the other things he has promised. The healthcare promises alone will require everyone to pay more in taxes.
He isnt cutting taxes on people making less than $200,000.00 He is cutting taxes on people making less than 250k and more than 200k. Deny all you want, many McCain supporters and McCain himself are doing it daily. The result, they slip further and further in the polls. :tongueout::rofl: Sucks to be an agent of the same.
Yea LG, you are right, to hell with all the tax experts from the Tax Policy Center. They are probably communists anyways right? :) They are unqualified and got their jobs by affirmative action, right? :rofl:
OneGlock19
10-08-2008, 18:56
He CANNOT cut taxes and accomplish all the other things he has promised. The healthcare promises alone will require everyone to pay more in taxes.
we are losiing 10 billion a month in a war with Iraq... you stop that war and you have some money there...
we are losiing 10 billion a month in a war with Iraq... you stop that war and you have some money there...
Finally, someone decides to mention some real facts. OneGlock19 is correct, but this is not what the Republicans want to hear. They somehow think our economy can sustain hundreds of billions of $ to come for years and years all the while our economy sucks. Check out nations that have a failed economy and see how long their military might lasts.... Its scary.
We are losing 10 billion a month to a war in a nation that doesnt want us there and that has a 79 BILLION dollar surplus. But no, we should stay there and force American taxpayers to fund this war??? Cmon guys, take off the blinders and see things the way they are.
Let me see. The choice is between an elder statesmen, who just happens to be a war hero who has proved his character and loyalty by putting his life and limb on the line for Americans, and by passing up the opportunity to be released by his captors so that other prisoners could go home before him. A man who has served with distinction in the Senate for many years and who has been called a "maverick" because of his willingness to fight for what he believes is right, even against his own party. This man has a proven track record and has been able to work across the aisle on important legislation. A man who has been willing to stand up against such formidable and corrupt organizations as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. A man who is willing to admit he has been wrong when he has. A man whose credo has been, Honor, Duty, Country.
The other choice is a member of the US Senate who has not contributed one piece of important legislation in his few years in office. This man votes “Present” more often than not, thus eliminating any possible repercussions for an unpopular vote. This man was trained and coached and mentored by Marxist's such as Saul "The Red" Alinsky. He is affiliated with such corrupt organizations as Accorn. He has had close ties, friendships, with a terrorist husband and wife team who have bombed and actively promoted the overthrow of our great country and a felon who has had questionable financial dealings that benefited him. This man who, according to his own writings, has been mentored by and married by a radical, America hating minister. A man whose wife has not been able to be happy with America, until he ran for the presidency. A man who says he supports our Second Amendment rights while voting for and advocating eliminating this most important right. This man has called for America's surrender and defeat through unconditional withdraw in our ongoing struggle in Iraq. A man who appears to be unable to say that the “Surge” by our honorable military in Iraq has actually worked because it isn’t politically beneficial for him to do so, contrary to all the evidence of the “Surge’s” success.
I served our country in the U S Air Force and learned the principals of “Honor’, Duty and Country”. I’ve spent 36 years in finance and banking in this wonderful country. It wasn't only college economics that taught me why our country's government and economic system is the best in the world and has endured for as long as it has, it was my daily working experiences that taught me what works for our country and what doesn’t. I’ve also learned quite a bit about Marxism and Socialism and the utter failure and misery that these "isms" have brought to the world.
So, let me see. The choice is between an honorable, experienced true American hero who has demonstrated good judgement and good moral fiber or an inexperienced, radical who associates with terrorists and radical organizations that promote revolution and, I almost forgot, voter fraud, and worst of all, has if not a communist leaning, certainly Marxist training and beliefs. He is at best a radical and at worst a Marxist.
I think I’ll go with the American hero and his maverick sidekick.
Hell no I don't think he's qualified. He's a socialist puppet through and through. And for the life of me, I still don't understand why people would vote for him. He has never given a straight answer, his views are blatantly socialist, wants the government to intrude on our lives to "help" us and will take our rights away if and when the puppet masters deem it necessary. I swear, he wants to turn our proud country into more of a global subdivision. And still people want to vote for him...
I just don't get it
MoCop
nam6869usmc1
10-10-2008, 05:04
"No" ...
How can McCain be a "maverick" :rofl: when all he has ever been is a side-kick?
Guessinator
10-10-2008, 14:48
No. See Acorn
cookekdjr
10-10-2008, 20:57
Honestly, as I watch this campaign, it looks more and more like a tragedy. I was a huge John McCain fan in 2000. I read his autobiography, I followed his career, I knew people who knew him. I did not agree with him on some issues, I knew he'd messed up royally in the S&L crisis, but I liked him anyway. He was real.
Then GWB used some of the dirtiest most dishonest tactics in history to beat McCain in South Carolina, and McCain, the straight talker, conceeded. Instead of calling W on his b.s., and punching him in the face, he bent over for the guy. He sold out when the GOP told him to hang up his Maverick ways, and they'd let him be the next president. So he gave up the one thing he always had- his independence- for the payoff of the presidency.
Now some of the same people who screwed him in South Carolina (and/or their proteges) are running his campaign. He's doing the same dirty tricks. And, unfortunately, in the last eight years McCain has aged badly. Really badly. He, on tv, has often confused the Shiites and Sunnis, and Afganistan and Iraq. Not once, but several times.
So the sad thing about this campaign is, the man who should have been president in 2000, has diminished, both by age and by choice, to someone unrecognizable in 2008. The sad fact is that the McCain of 2000 would not vote for the McCain of 2008. Honestly, if you told the McCain of 2000 he'd turn out like this in 2008, he would cry.
It's pathetic.
Honestly, as I watch this campaign, it looks more and more like a tragedy. I was a huge John McCain fan in 2000. I read his autobiography, I followed his career, I knew people who knew him. I did not agree with him on some issues, I knew he'd messed up royally in the S&L crisis, but I liked him anyway. He was real.
Then GWB used some of the dirtiest most dishonest tactics in history to beat McCain in South Carolina, and McCain, the straight talker, conceeded. Instead of calling W on his b.s., and punching him in the face, he bent over for the guy. He sold out when the GOP told him to hang up his Maverick ways, and they'd let him be the next president. So he gave up the one thing he always had- his independence- for the payoff of the presidency.
Now some of the same people who screwed him in South Carolina (and/or their proteges) are running his campaign. He's doing the same dirty tricks. And, unfortunately, in the last eight years McCain has aged badly. Really badly. He, on tv, has often confused the Shiites and Sunnis, and Afganistan and Iraq. Not once, but several times.
So the sad thing about this campaign is, the man who should have been president in 2000, has diminished, both by age and by choice, to someone unrecognizable in 2008. The sad fact is that the McCain of 2000 would not vote for the McCain of 2008. Honestly, if you told the McCain of 2000 he'd turn out like this in 2008, he would cry.
It's pathetic.
cooke, no worries, he wont win.
PAGunner
10-13-2008, 07:52
cooke, no worries, he wont win.
What's funny, is that on the night of November 4th, there is gonna be a lot of dissapointed socialists to see the hype machine fall to the old man! That's my prediction, call me bold, but we will find out in a few short weeks weather I am crazy or just smart enough to read the stitches on the fastball.
what's disappointing is... there are people who think this guy is qualify to be president. Watch this video, and then re-think your vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4&NR=1
cookekdjr
10-13-2008, 21:00
cooke, no worries, he wont win.
Yeah, I know he won't win. But it reminds me of when Marciano beat Joe Louis to a pulp. Louis had been a champion. He had been somebody. But he looked like a washed up loser has-been (or even a never was) when Rocky Marciano gave him such a horrible beatdown.
McCain used to be somebody. Somebody important. Now he is a total washed up loser. Its pitiful. And he did alot of it to himself. He sold out, and look where it got him. The most strident conservatives in the country like George Will and Bill Kristol say he's washed up. And they are right,
At least some people at GT still like him. But they'd vote for chimp if he had an "R" beside his name on the ballot....
Yeah, I know he won't win. But it reminds me of when Marciano beat Joe Louis to a pulp. Louis had been a champion. He had been somebody. But he looked like a washed up loser has-been (or even a never was) when Rocky Marciano gave him such a horrible beatdown.
McCain used to be somebody. Somebody important. Now he is a total washed up loser. Its pitiful. And he did alot of it to himself. He sold out, and look where it got him. The most strident conservatives in the country like George Will and Bill Kristol say he's washed up. And they are right,
At least some people at GT still like him. But they'd vote for chimp if he had an "R" beside his name on the ballot....
You are right. Some people are as ignorant as they people they make fun of voting the other way. They STILL vote for a person because of his stance on Abortion or Gun Control... The thing is, in reference to Abortion, (had this conversation with a girl the other day) she votes for Republicans bc they oppose it but in the past 8 years, what measures have they taken to change the legality surrounding the issue? NOTHING. Some people are just so foolish. I am looking forward to all my fellow GTers whining and moaning about what they said couldnt happen; Obama being elected. :rofl: Gonna be lots of activity on this forum hating on Obama.
He has the needed qualities. I don't agree with him. I will vote for another. But come on, this is like listening to dems after Gore lost in 2000. Both have their flaws, but in the end, I have to put a little trust in the system.
...Yes. He was born in the United States and meets the age requirement. :tongueout:...
...They STILL vote for a person because of his stance on Abortion...votes for Republicans bc they oppose it but in the past 8 years, what measures have they taken to change the legality surrounding the issue? NOTHING...
One of the most BS or least intelligent statement I have heard (and not just from the person quoted). It is full of PC BS logic. While in theory I understand you may believe there are more important issues, frankly, who appoints justices in the next 4 years will be a major factor on this issue. If this person you know believes this is an important (as in top) issue, it is logical she vote as she has suggested.
Regardless of who gets ellected, I'm willing to bet 2A issues will be effected very little, we will go to war (or stay in a state of war), the econ will be bad, etc. However I am willing to bet heavy abortion is the one issue that will go either way for the next 20 years based on who is President in 2009.
I don't care to get into a pro-life conversation on this forum, but for the record, pro-abortion is very worried about the number of supreme court justices who will most likely be replaced this year. In the last 8 years, the pro-life justices that have been added to the court.
It is clear this year the big issue is the econ. for most voters. If this is not your friend's big issue, and abortion is (regardless of pro-life or pro-abortion), more then any other year, this is the year.
cookekdjr
10-16-2008, 07:32
I don't care to get into a pro-life conversation on this forum, but for the record, pro-abortion is very worried about the number of supreme court justices who will most likely be replaced this year. In the last 8 years, the pro-life justices that have been added to the court.
It is clear this year the big issue is the econ. for most voters. If this is not your friend's big issue, and abortion is (regardless of pro-life or pro-abortion), more then any other year, this is the year.
You are right. But I think there are many unintended consequences to putting pro-life judges on the USSC. Here it is:
Roe v. Wade and Griswold v. Conn are tied together (Griswold clearly established a right to privacy and granted the right for married couples to have birth control; people may not remember but birth control used to be banned in many states). Killing Roe v. Wade could also take Griswold with it. Maybe it would, maybe it would not, but its very close. And as soon as RvW went down, legal scholars everywhere would talk about whether Griswold was safe.
I don't think people realize how many people would be offended by this threat; I think over 50% of the people, probably many more. What it would lead to is the Dem party sounding the alarm of the threat to family privacy, and independents and moderate Republicans would flock to the Dems in record numbers. Think about how many women and girls take birth control pills because of health problems unrelated to birth control, think about married couples use birth control to plan when to get pregnant. And if birth control and abortion are both illegal, how many kids do you think would seek back alley abortions?
A way of life dependant upon family privacy would be placed in jeapordy by overturning RvW, as Griswold, the case that made it illegal to ban birth control, and established a right to privacy, was the foundation for RvW's opinion.
Thanis, i am glad that I could be the person you said posted some BS or unintelligent rhetoric... :rofl: Get real. You are a newbie here. The vast majority of people in the USA SUPPORT a woman's right to choose. and who the hell are YOU to tell a WOMAN what she can or cannot do with her body? Lay off the peyote Thanis.
Thanis, i am glad that I could be the person you said posted some BS or unintelligent rhetoric... :rofl: Get real. You are a newbie here. The vast majority of people in the USA SUPPORT a woman's right to choose. and who the hell are YOU to tell a WOMAN what she can or cannot do with her body? Lay off the peyote Thanis.
Sad reply. Look at cookekdjr reply. It is honest in reasoning and demonstrates an awareness of the issue. You on the other hand are all feeling, you try to spew facts, but there is no substance, as you are just stating your point of view.
I don't care if you, or who, is pro-life or pro-abortion on this forum.
The point (that you missed) is that abortion is the one issue this year that might actually matter given the two clear choices. IMO, on the other "issues" it is questionable how much either of these candidates differ in the areas they can actually effect change.
Look at gun-control. Clearly Obama is less pro-gun then McCain. However, neither party has the political will to make any substantial changes in the next 4 years. In addition any justice spots that are likely to open would not alter the receint 2A decisions.
Again, I don't care to get into a pro-life / pro-abortion argument here. But I will state again that you were wrong to state that Republicans have done nothing to strengthing the pro-life agenda. It is PC BS that you may think sounds intellectual or logical, but is nonsense. Why else would pro-life be so happy with the justices that have been appointed in the last 8 years. Why else would pro-abortion be so worried and disappointed.
Instead of trying to bully your point of view on people online or in RL, take a second, and be honest.
A lot of replys on this thread need to be more honest. Several are just spouting off their politics, but not being fair and honest in their reasoning.
Even a newb like me can tell.
PAGunner
10-16-2008, 19:37
and who the hell are YOU to tell a WOMAN what she can or cannot do with her body?
At what point do you believe a fetus becomes a human life?
If Sen. Obama were truly looking for a kind of deregulation that might be responsible for the current financial crisis, he need only look back to 1998, when the Clinton administration ruled that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could satisfy their affordable housing obligations by purchasing subprime mortgages. This ultimately made it possible for Fannie and Freddie to add a trillion dollars in junk loans to their balance sheets. This led to their own collapse, and to the development of a market in these mortgages that is the source of the financial crisis we are wrestling with today.
Finally, on the matter of deregulation and the financial crisis, Sen. Obama should consider his own complicity in the failure of Congress to adopt legislation that might have prevented the subprime meltdown.
In the summer of 2005, a bill emerged from the Senate Banking Committee that considerably tightened regulations on Fannie and Freddie, including controls over their capital and their ability to hold portfolios of mortgages or mortgage-backed securities. All the Republicans voted for the bill in committee; all the Democrats voted against it. (DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU JUST READ) AGAIN... In the summer of 2005, a bill emerged from the Senate Banking Committee that considerably tightened regulations on Fannie and Freddie, including controls over their capital and their ability to hold portfolios of mortgages or mortgage-backed securities. All the Republicans voted for the bill in committee; all the Democrats voted against it to get the bill to a vote in the Senate, a few Democratic votes were necessary to limit debate. This was a time for the leadership Sen. Obama says he can offer, but neither he nor any other Democrat stepped forward.
Instead, by his own account, Mr. Obama wrote a letter to the Treasury Secretary, allegedly putting himself on record that subprime loans were dangerous and had to be dealt with. This is revealing; if true, it indicates Sen. Obama knew there was a problem with subprime lending (THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST READ) -- but was unwilling to confront his own party by pressing for legislation to control it. As a demonstration of character and leadership capacity, it bears a strong resemblance to something else in Sen. Obama's past: voting present. YEAH THAT"S RIGHT, HE VOTED "PRESENT"
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MyGlockRocks19
10-17-2008, 14:30
I will concede that I do think Barack has many of the necessary qualities of a President, but that certainly doesn't mean I want him to have the job. My wife, a registered Democrat who rails on and on about the plight of the poor, and when she does handle my guns usually acts like shes holding a live snake, said after the last debate, and I quote, "God, after listening to that man talk for long enough I feel like I need to take a shower."
I agree.
John McCain wasn't my first choice. I consider my vote for him to be more in the spirit of a vote against Barack Obama. Not to say I don't like the guy, or admire some of the things he's done in his life, but he just wasn't the guy I REALLY wanted in the White House.
thanis - if the Republicans have done so much for the pro life agenda, then why has the rate of documented abortions all across the United States continued to stay the same over Bush's tenure in office?
Moreover, why has the conservative SC not attempted to overturn RoevWade? if you seriously think that the Repubs have done anything on the pro-life agenda you are wrong. Abortions still happen and the fact is that McCain isnt going to do anything about making abortions illegal. They will remain legal as they should be.
welcome to the forum though thanis.
At what point do you believe a fetus becomes a human life?
When it can sustain life ON ITS OWN, without the host of its MOTHER.
Next question please. :yawn:
PAGunner
10-18-2008, 13:09
When it can sustain life ON ITS OWN, without the host of its MOTHER.
Next question please. :yawn:
Wow, thats a pretty broad and warped definition you got there. I don't know of any prepubescent kids that can sustain life on their own. Hell lets just line up all those poor kids in head start programs and start offing them, since they can't sustain themselves. :upeyes:
PAGunner
10-18-2008, 13:11
Moreover, why has the conservative SC not attempted to overturn RoevWade?
"conservative court"? Pretty cockeyed view of things, don't you think? There are 4 strict constitutionalists on the court (if thats what you mean by "conservative"). There are 9 justices overall. 4 ultra liberal justices and 1 moderately liberal judge. How on God's green earth do you consider the current court "conservative"?
Wow, thats a pretty broad and warped definition you got there. I don't know of any prepubescent kids that can sustain life on their own. Hell lets just line up all those poor kids in head start programs and start offing them, since they can't sustain themselves. :upeyes:
PAgunner, way to totally misinterpret my words. :yawn: Not sustain life without the social ramifications of a young child and her or his mother taking care of him or her... i am talking about physical sustainment of life like being able to breathe on their own, heartbeat, etc..
It is foolish to think that I am asserting that little kids are not alive because they cant live without a guardian... get real.
"conservative court"? Pretty cockeyed view of things, don't you think? There are 4 strict constitutionalists on the court (if thats what you mean by "conservative"). There are 9 justices overall. 4 ultra liberal justices and 1 moderately liberal judge. How on God's green earth do you consider the current court "conservative"?
Hmmmm. lets see...
Roberts
Scalia
Thomas
Alito
THERE are your 4 CONSERVATIVE justices.
Lets see... Bush and REAGAN's nominations include...
Souter
Kennedy
these are your conservative/moderate justices that actually do the Court a GREAT service by their moderate thinking.
Then you have Ford's appointment.
Stevens
Then Clinton's, whom are more liberal.
Ginsburg
Breyer
You are an idiot if you honestly think that the Court is Liberal or leans Left. Completely ignorant sir. Get real. It is OBVIOUS that the Court is conservative or fairly moderate, leaning RIGHT at the least. Wisen up PAGunner.
ScottFF00
10-18-2008, 15:59
Wow, thats a pretty broad and warped definition you got there. I don't know of any prepubescent kids that can sustain life on their own. Hell lets just line up all those poor kids in head start programs and start offing them, since they can't sustain themselves. :upeyes:
Pretty cockeyed view of things huh?
PAGunner
10-18-2008, 16:46
Hmmmm. lets see...
Roberts
Scalia
Thomas
Alito
THERE are your 4 CONSERVATIVE justices.
Kennedy is the only moderate on the court. Souter and Stevens are far left "living breathing document thinkers", I don't give a rats *** who appointed them. GHB, and Gerald Ford where RINOs, they just wanted to appoint someone for the sake of appointing them. Funny how republicans allow liberal justices (living breathing document crowd) to get on the court if they have the qualifications, yet liberals play politics because RINOs always fold. Souter, Stevens, Ginsberg and Breyer are what you call activist judges, they pull law out of thin air, essentially making law. That isn't their job, their job is to interpret the constitutional issues, which is why only strict constitutionalists belong on the court. Ginsberg, Breyer, Souter and Stevens all should have been politicians, they way they make up law. Roe V. Wade was based upon a "right to privacy" that is allegedly in the constitution. I love having a "right to privacy", but show me were it is explicitly in the constitution? Its not, they came up with some ridicolous excuse saying its intrinsic in 4 different amendments, yet these same justices said 2A is not an individual right, despite the wording of the document, statements from the founding fathers at the time, and practices in the US of the 1780-90s clearly showing otherwise. Why? Because the "living, breathing document" crowd doesn't like guns, and they believe they don't have a place in society. So instead of proposing an amendment that nullifies the 2A, they attempt a politically active end around. So my qustion to you is, how can you support justices that make up their own rights that don't exist in the constitution (thats not the bad part), yet just ignore rights in the constitution that clearly exist (this is where I have a big problem with these tools)?
Of course, you strike me as pigheaded, so I'm sure you will ignore what I just wrote, but you can go ahead and keep your head in the sand, its your right as an American.
PAGunner
10-18-2008, 17:11
Pretty cockeyed view of things huh?
Nope, I was just applying his answer to real life. You liberal/socialist/"progressives" (regressives) or whatever you call yourself never like answering that question of when life begins. You are brainwashed from a young age & just accept it as gospel that its OK to kill a human life just because you haven't become emotionally attached to that life, since the life cannot yet talk, walk or defend itslef. Ever study embryology? I have, part of that whole medical school curriculum. By the end of week 8 after fertilzation, all major organ systems are present, the third week after fertilization is when the vast majority if differentiation starts in the embryo and you see what rapidly starts to look like a human life. Week 5 is when the first heartbeat takes place.
You see, I take positions based on science & knowledge, people like you take postions based upon emotional (and many times, misguided) feelings. I'm a libertarian, if I was to make a utopian world, laws would be simple, if you harmed another person, there would be a penalty that was commensurate with the degree of harm caused. Do what you like, as long as you harm no other human, but abortion after the 8th week by anybody's standards is clearly murder. I always like to errr on the side of caution, so I believe its murder at week 3 after fertilization, probably before that.
DNA gets really complicated with an embryo (because the proliferation of cells are amazingly programmed at the beginning of life, when the fetus is just a handful of cells), but one thing I can tell you for certain, of the cells that make up the embryo, even before week three, you will not find one cell that matches the mothers DNA. So how do you justify that is the "woman's body"? Its a bunk argument, intellectually, you don't have a leg to stand on. Any women who is taking drugs/alcohol or any other tetragenic substance while pregnant (particularly during the first 8 weeks when the vast majority of birth defects from tetragenic substances occurs) should be locked up and thrown in jail because they have seriously injured or at least put at great risk, the life of another human being. Abortion doesn't affect my life on a personal level, so I usually don't debate people on it, but its flat out morally wrong by anyone's standards. Educate yourself, ignorance sucks!
PAGunner
10-18-2008, 17:12
PAgunner, way to totally misinterpret my words. :yawn: Not sustain life without the social ramifications of a young child and her or his mother taking care of him or her... i am talking about physical sustainment of life like being able to breathe on their own, heartbeat, etc..
It is foolish to think that I am asserting that little kids are not alive because they cant live without a guardian... get real.
Please read above post (#321) if you would like to educate yourself.
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President? If your a liberal, if you think your country is always wrong, and your a socialist, then yes barry barrack hussan obama is the perfect president.
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PAgunner - the fetus CANNOT sustain life on its own physically without its mother. Period. if life begins 5 weeks after fertilization then why isnt a babies birthday 7 months early than it is documented when they are born?
the Constitution is a living and breathing document. God bless it.
PAGunner
10-19-2008, 14:53
PAgunner - the fetus CANNOT sustain life on its own physically without its mother. Period. if life begins 5 weeks after fertilization then why isnt a babies birthday 7 months early than it is documented when they are born?
the Constitution is a living and breathing document. God bless it.
So the constitution is "living" and a fetus is not "living" or its part of the woman's body despite my attempt to educate you by introducing the facts (not opinions) into your thought process? :rofl: I informed you that DNA of cells that make up the embryo and subsequently the fetus do not match up with the mother's DNA, yet you tell me its the woman's body? Have you ever read the constitution? Weather you have or haven't, please go back and read article 5, then tell me where in that text it supports judicial activism? Amendments to the constitution are very rigid for a reason, if you read the text, its pretty dam obvious that the founding fathers never intended for judicial activism. Yes, the constitution can be changed via the proper route, the people you support and I suspect yourself want to back door socialism into this country. Ignorance is the most costly choice we as a people make in this country, and you are a prime example.
i hit it!:wavey:
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farnhamj
10-20-2008, 20:54
I am going to vote, umm...umm...I don't want to offend anyone so I am voting...umm...ummm.....PRESENT. :rofl:
So the constitution is "living" and a fetus is not "living" or its part of the woman's body despite my attempt to educate you by introducing the facts (not opinions) into your thought process? :rofl: I informed you that DNA of cells that make up the embryo and subsequently the fetus do not match up with the mother's DNA, yet you tell me its the woman's body? Have you ever read the constitution? Weather you have or haven't, please go back and read article 5, then tell me where in that text it supports judicial activism? Amendments to the constitution are very rigid for a reason, if you read the text, its pretty dam obvious that the founding fathers never intended for judicial activism. Yes, the constitution can be changed via the proper route, the people you support and I suspect yourself want to back door socialism into this country. Ignorance is the most costly choice we as a people make in this country, and you are a prime example.
Yes I have read the Constitution. And YES it is a LIVING AND BREATHING document. :cool: A fetus is still not alive until it can sustain life outside its mother's body. :whistling:
PAGunner
10-21-2008, 16:01
Yes I have read the Constitution. And YES it is a LIVING AND BREATHING document. :cool: A fetus is still not alive until it can sustain life outside its mother's body. :whistling:
Well, some people just don't get it, guess your one of them. I wouldn't even classify your views as an opinion, since facts/reality are polar opposite, so I guess we can call that pigheaded. Your incorrect understanding of the constitution is pretty dam scary and it shows through in both of your views. Most liberal/socialists like yourself believe seatbelt laws are great (gonna save you from you), yet won't let states decide for themselves weather or not they want to outlaw abortion, I've already pointed out why the Roe V. Wade decision was flawed, so I won't rehash that. You really ought to consider another line of work, do yourself a favor and work for greenpeace, PETA or just move to Europe. If you don't understand the constitution, how could you possibly swear to uphold it. I will remind you that you will have to recite this to swear in as an officer:
"I, meshmdz, do solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. (So help me God.)."
Also know that, the vast majority of people who will be your equals or superiors have a much different mindset than you.
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The views you hold on constitution (and Roe V. Wade speaks to that, along with your "living breathing" crap that socialists who don't like this country spew) clearly define you as a socialist who doesn't like this country. I know way too many people like you, everything is always someone else's fault, America's fault, rotten country, racist, etc. etc.. Do what you like, but I will garantee you that you are going to be miserable as an officer. Politics are very telling of your personal attitude and despite your username on GT, you ain't gonna mesh very well as an officer in the military. Just some friendly advice.
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
No i don't, and here's why, since the liberation of iraq and President Bush put America on the offensive against world terrorism, the democrats have work against every step Bush has taken to keep terrorist on the run and America safe.
The democrats have done everything in their power to ensure a defeat in iraq, and went to great lengths to disgrace our troops and country in front of the eyes of the world while our troops were dying on the streets of iraq. Murtha has said our troops are to tired and can't take it, harry ried said "the war in iraq is lost" the democrats have went as far as calling our troops terrorist.
The democrats have try to block and handcuff President Bush's effort to track world terrorist and terrorist cells across the globe in order to keep America safe, and Bush has kept America safe in spite of the democrats. Democrats have side with the terrorist with their actions and and treasonous hoopla in a effort to sabotage the iraq war.
America now has the most liberal voting senator running for President, this is the guy that's going to get the call in the middle of the night or while attending a charity event, and be told that a crisis has just occurred.
Barrack hussan obama, Joe "the brain" biden, harry "the body" Reid, and Nancy "stretch" pelosi are going to get together with all their liberal democrat majority friends, and come up with a plan to defend or act to protect America, whether to use military force, or to take a firm stance on aggression. You can't vote present then.
God Help America....
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PAGunner, thanks for your advice. I think I will be a great officer because I want to serve my country and learn from my NCO's all the while doing my mission free of any political thought I may or may not hold. We all have to leave politics at the door and support our leader in the military. I can do that. Obama or McCain - I will follow our new leader and do as he wishes to the best of my abilities.
thanis - if the Republicans have done so much for the pro life agenda, then why has the rate of documented abortions all across the United States continued to stay the same over Bush's tenure in office?...
Even if true, # of abortions, it is not a fact that is important to the issue. Both pro-life and pro-abortion that all that is needed is one more pro-life SC judge, and the decision will be overturned.
Long ago, Regan appointed a SC justice that changed their position on the issue one a SC judge. Since then each side (D & R) have appointed SC judges that have fallen into line on this issue.
Many dances around the truth trying to prove the case one way or the other for their point of view (what Republicans have done). But the truth is a matter of court cases and public record. If you have any doubt, contact the various orgs on both sides of the issues, and they all know it to be true (and it is one of the few things they both agree on).
It is possible to argue the R & D use this issue to get votes (and it is often an issue they personally differ with on a personal level). Again, I really don't like talking about this issue on this forum, but I can't let such obvious PC BS go. It is clear from the appointment process to the case records what has happened the last 20 or so years concerning the SC and this issue.
IMO, it is intellectual dishonesty and counter to liberal philosophy to state abortion is a Constitutional right. Same goes for many 2A issues. The courts should not be law makers, and if this issue has the political will to be a federal issue, an amendment should be written and voted on. If not it belongs at the state level (in the case or abortion) or is covered under 2A (regarding firearms issues).
The man that wins tomorrow will appoints 1 - 2 SC judges (very likely 2 if a Democrat wins). It will deside this issue (abortion as a right) for the next 20 years.
As far the question asked in this tread, I maintain he is still qualified. I may not vote for him, but he appears to be as qualified as required per the law. If he has the votes, nothing else is needed.
Thanis, a very well stated opinion sir.
PAGunner
11-04-2008, 09:17
As far the question asked in this tread, I maintain he is still qualified. I may not vote for him, but he appears to be as qualified as required per the law. If he has the votes, nothing else is needed.
Yep, BHO is technically qualified to be president, like most other people in this country who are of the required age. :upeyes:
Ironically, BHO wouldn't have a prayer of getting a top secret level security clearance, with his connections and previous hard drug use. Hell, Obama couldn't even get a job with the local PD, but he is technically qualified to be commander in chief.... Of course being qualified and being a good choice are two very different things.
series1811
11-04-2008, 09:28
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
Legally? Old enough? I believe he is thirty five years old. Natural born citizen (born in US owned territory)?. I have no idea whether he was born in Kenya, and immediately brought to Hawaii as his recently deceased grandmother claimed, or if he was actually born in Hawaii, as his supporters claim.
Experience wise? Not even close. Not even in the ball park. No experience even remotely related to what is necessary to be a successful executive, much less President.
Intelligent enough? Yes, I don't doubt he is smart enough. If that were all it took, we would be in good shape as everything about how he has run his campaign shows he is smart.
Dedicated enough? I don't know. He sure didn't put much into the job of Senator after telling the people of Illinois what he would do for them if they elected him. Of course, how much can you do in 183 days?
Honest enough? If credibility, and not being caught in lies, or constantly changing what you say, means anything, no. But, credibility and honesty don't get the respect they used to get. I guess it depends on who you are asking. For me, it matters, and Obama has a credibility problem.
I am sorry, BHO's admitted history is cloudy enough to prevent him from surviving a background check to be a grounds keeper at The White House. He has not supplied paperwork supporting his aid's claim that he was born in Hawaii, nor has he offered any school transcripts or opinions or papers from Law Revue days. The people of IL got a double-wammy from him, as there is no record of his authoring/co-authoring any bills/laws - and he continued that to his current 143 day stint in the Senate. He went on record four times voting against a Chicago suburb allowing gun ownership in the home, however, a fallout of the '04 case against a homeowner who shot a burgler the second time he burgled the house. The homeowner faces 1-3 yr in prison. Obama's opinion on private ownership of handguns - and firearms in general - has been well documented. Despite 93+ votes of 'Present!' during his short actual tenure as a Federal Senator, BHO earned the most liberal senator position.
Obama, and Rev. Wright, terrorist-turned-instructor Bill Ayers, etc, all voted at the same site this AM. Obama took 15 minutes, probably, as opined by Rush Limbaugh minutes ago, because he was looking for his familiar 'Present' voting choice. Don't get me wrong, I am not thrilled by my choice - it's just odd that our Republican candidate rates as more liberal than JFK did. The majority of his 'planks' are similar to mine - and we share, him in a horrific way, our veteran status - of a much less friendly time. I don't feel he deserves the Presidency due to his unfortunate incarceration - but his many years in the senate are a definite plus - he has made his feelings know - repeatedly. He also has a 'National Treasure' in Sarah Palin, but that's another story. No, BHO doesn't have the experience.
Well, it'll all be over in just hours now. Wed AM may see me call him 'Mr. President'. Whoever it is, he will have my support.
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Watchman
11-04-2008, 14:33
NO I do not.
Plus, he hasn't proven he is a natural born citizen either. What's up with that? Too many unknowns with this yahoo for him to be leading this great country of ours.
USMC1369
11-04-2008, 21:37
Doesn't matter now.
Stock up on ammo, prepare for revolution.
You have 75 days as I type this....
Hey,you all,,,,,,,, since I cannot shoot semi-autos anymore,I have 2 glocks and a .45 Taurus for sale. the Glocks are a 17 w/6 hi-caps and a 26 w/3 mags. One of them is a Pierce grip+1. All fo the low price of $250,000.00 U.S. dollars. Na,not that much. All for $1500,includes ammo and inpant holsters if you need some in Nebraska. I am disabled and on SSDI because of my health. Cant go back to work anymore. 17z
series1811
11-05-2008, 04:39
Hey,you all,,,,,,,, since I cannot shoot semi-autos anymore,I have 2 glocks and a .45 Taurus for sale. the Glocks are a 17 w/6 hi-caps and a 26 w/3 mags. One of them is a Pierce grip+1. All fo the low price of $250,000.00 U.S. dollars. Na,not that much. All for $1500,includes ammo and inpant holsters if you need some in Nebraska. I am disabled and on SSDI because of my health. Cant go back to work anymore. 17z
There might come a time when that would be a bargain for them. Look at what some full auto weapons go for now that you could buy for $400 and a $200 tax stamp before that ban. It's not because full auto weapons are inherently more valuable than semi-auto, it's because there just aren't many available.
Well the American people OVERWHELMINGLY believe he is qualified!!! We have spoken and WE have elected our new Leader! PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
series1811
11-05-2008, 15:55
Well the American people OVERWHELMINGLY believe he is qualified!!! We have spoken and WE have elected our new Leader! PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
Is it okay if we start calling him by his real name again, Barack Hussein Obama, now that he is elected and all?
Lady Glock
11-05-2008, 17:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by meshmdz
Well the American people OVERWHELMINGLY believe he is qualified!!! We have spoken and WE have elected our new Leader! PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
Is it okay if we start calling him by his real name again, Barack Hussein Obama, now that he is elected and all?
How about we just call him by his correct title. He is PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
SDGlock23
11-05-2008, 17:45
I'll just call him B.O.
call him what you may, he is the next President of the USA and there hasnt been a movement behind a President Elect like this in decades!!! I am so happy for our country.
How about we just call him by his correct title. He is PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
damn right!
but on a serious note no i dont think he has what it takes i based my vote for McCain off of experience and who in my eyes seemed to be best fit for the job, not race. i dont think he has what it takes and i dont think he can carry out all of the promises he has made. i hope im wrong for the sake of my children and upcoming generations but only time will tell unfortunately.
call him what you may, he is the next President of the USA and there hasnt been a movement behind a President Elect like this in decades!!! I am so happy for our country.
im not im in mourning, in my eyes yesterday was Americas Funeral
According to his paternal grandmother, he was born in Kenya. She was there when he was born.
So I vote no.
oh but Factcheck.org said his birth cert was real.
Factcheck.org is funded by The ANNENBERG FOUNDATION (the one with Ayers and Obama on its Board
Hawaii said it was authentic...
A few days after he "visited his dieing grandmother" in hawaii.
Please people dont just dismiss this, look into it.
His brainwashed supporters will say, "who cares at least he is not GW Bush."
Seriously?
I guess this makes me a conspiracy theorist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEgYY-n3ogs
call him what you may, he is the next President of the USA and there hasnt been a movement behind a President Elect like this in decades!!! I am so happy for our country.
What the hell are you happy about?
RIP
1776-2008
Does this make you happy?
I think I understood what you ment to say to I fixed it for you.
call him what you may, he is the first foreign born President of the USA and there hasnt been a movement of brainwashed individuals behind a President Elect like this in decades!!! I am so concerned about our country.
Lady Glock
11-06-2008, 10:06
What the hell are you happy about?
RIP
1776-2008
Does this make you happy?Sadly, I agree...this is the death of our Constitution, our freedom, our United States of America :worried:
i haven't given up yet, sometimes you learn more from a good scar than from good advice, and i think the US will do the same. All things equal its very hard for a 8 year party to continue another 4 years, so a democrat winning was not that unpredictable.
I think the media will turn on him now that he's in office, the last i looked, the stock market is sinking big time today, and this is due to what the investors see down the road (6 Months). They predict obama moving or governing from the center, his track record as a senator doesn't prove that, but things change when you got the ball, i think he's a liberal like jimmy carter was and he's going to spread misery evenly to everyone.
Maybe this lost will make the GOP rethink its strategy and run on conservative values in 4 years instead of this moderate bipartisan approach, conservatism and the values that our fathers built this country on still means something, this country is crying for a REAGAN type of politician
PALIN in 2012!!!!!
We Democrats will win EVERYTIME!!!! Keep her as the new leader of the Republican party!!! PUH-LEASE!
TangoFoxtrot
12-02-2008, 16:28
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
Absolutely more qualified than GWB, McCain or Palin :whistling:
series1811
12-03-2008, 04:50
PALIN in 2012!!!!!
We Democrats will win EVERYTIME!!!! Keep her as the new leader of the Republican party!!! PUH-LEASE!
Especially if Obama can do something about that pesky Constitution he finds so fundamentally flawed.
Obama is a Stooge for the Democratic Party, He has no qualifications for President, He has done nothing in his very short career in the US senate, thought he is surrounding himself with allot of Clinton People, must be driving those young college liberals with no knowledge of what the real world is all about, they will when they get out there in the real world and run into a boss that will use them to make a buck and if they don't perform and play the game they will be gone,maybe they will go cry to their Liberal college professors. Just fired 3 Obama supporters for not playing the game, I guess they got a swollen head over the election and decided to through 3 to 5 years out the window, 2 came back crying the blues about their families and the holidays,I laughed and told them they should have though about that before they decided to no longer play the game. The GAME are my rules, they need money and I have it. Welcome to the real world.
67 million people voted for Obama due to the economy, his own campaign admitted that, out of desperation, when he cant deliver on all those promises will see how fast they turn on him, other than the college students, which don't amount to anything in this society until they get out into the real world and accomplish something. The only people to get this economy out of this problem is the private sector, and that will take time in years, Obama and the democratic congress will keep printing money and the heads of these major companies will be there with their hands out and they will get money, free money they don't need to get their companies out of trouble,Capitalism is great, the rich get richer and the poor will get poorer. After printing all this money and the value of the dollar declines and the recession deepens, he will lose in 4 years as Jimmy Carter lost, remember 21 per cent interest rate, college kids excluded, you were still in diapers if you were even on this earth, and he will go down as one of the worst presidents, and that is too bad,especially for the first black president. IF he was a smart guy, he would have passed on this year election and have somebody else fail, and come back in 4 years win and go down in history as the first Great black president.
John_Galt
12-06-2008, 11:50
BO being elected unfortunately shows the general population is no longer capable of a democratic republic. The Founding Fathers warned of this. We know have an "American Idol" president. Adams in particular wrote of the character qualities of public office. He warned of men like BO. They were afraid this would happen it is why originally Senators were not elected, but chosen by State legislators and why we have electoral college. It is not about ideas, but character and experience. BO has neither, there were far more qualified Democrats. I truly hope for the sake of the country he does well, but have little hope. I fear for my childrens futures. So noone thinks I have any great love for GWB, I take issue with many of the things he's done, but not in the vein of conventional wisdom.
TangoFoxtrot
01-04-2009, 05:56
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
ABSOLUTELY! He certainly has more on the ball than GWB did! The past 8 years proves that!
series1811
01-04-2009, 09:03
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
ABSOLUTELY! He certainly has more on the ball than GWB did! The past 8 years proves that!
Since Obama has not served as President yet, and apparently did absolutely nothing as a U.S. Senator for 180 days, or as an Illinois legislator, what do you base your hypothesis on, that he will do a better job?
What track record of Obama are you aware of that no one else has been able to find? Please let us know. The world wonders.
community
01-15-2009, 12:56
no no and no
Harley Rider 1955
01-15-2009, 13:12
He's a qualified motivational speaker and role model. He's NOT qualified to president.
purpledragonlily
01-15-2009, 20:32
He's a qualified motivational speaker and role model. He's NOT qualified to president.
Bingo! Nailed it!
series1811
01-17-2009, 07:42
Originally Posted by SGT109
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
ABSOLUTELY! He certainly has more on the ball than GWB did! The past 8 years proves that!
Since Obama has not served as President yet, and apparently did absolutely nothing as a U.S. Senator for 180 days, or as an Illinois legislator, what do you base your hypothesis on, that he will do a better job?
What track record of Obama are you aware of that no one else has been able to find? Please let us know. The world wonders.
I guess the world will have to wonder a while longer.
series1811
01-17-2009, 17:52
Obama supporters shouldn't feel that bad. I was in bookstore today, and thumbed through several of the new books about Obama. I couldn't find a single one that knew anything about what he had done that would qualify him to be President, either (or one that said one single thing about him or his family before he was ten years old). Go figure.
They're saying if Obama's borrow/spend idea doesn't work, our economy will collapse in two years.
You think its bad now wait till barack HUSSEIN obama gets in, give him a couple of years and our dollar will be worth 20 cents, with all the money he will be printing, not to also discount the terrorist attacks we will have here, due to his wimp attiude. Its not will he fail its how soon he will fail. We are all in for a very bad time with this idiot.
he is the pres now its a wait and see kind of thing
1911govt
01-23-2009, 20:39
Man, It's weird to hear a president with such a command of the English language. I guess I have been "Bushified". I kind of liked the tripped up euphemisms of our former figurehead.
I don't know, but maybe having a smart president Isn't such a bad thing. I know bush was fun loving and a "living in the now" kinda dude, but that ***** didn't really work out. It does suck that we will be respected by countries we were taught to hate.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080828-1300-cvn-conventionrdp.html
Leave link cold please
I very much dislike, and do not trust Obama, that being said, he has a much more powerful presence than McCain had. McCAin seemed weak, old. BUT, I CAN'T STAND OBAMA'S Agenda.
farnhamj
01-24-2009, 17:53
Whether or not he is qualified is a mute point now. He is in there and we will just have to wait and see. I personally am not a fan of him. But you can't judge him with one week. You can however place your opinion on his history. We will see
One quick observation at this point that I would like to bring up concerning trust and placing ours in him is this:
He has stated that there will be NO lobbyists in his white house, that they are forbidden from working there if the were once a lobbyist, yet he has hired TWO of them to high office positions and the response from his group is that there needs to be room to work inside the scope of these rules, that all rules should have room for exceptions. Think about that if you took or still take his word for what it's worth. Scares me already that he is going back on his word.
alphacat
01-28-2009, 05:03
Was 2008 the year of the obama lovers sign up on GT or what?
obama is going to try to take your guns.
What part of that statement don't you understand?
They don't understand because they are not true gun people. They are satisfying their macho ego and making a fashion statement. But their leader Hussein will shortly put a crimp in their act.
J.Hawkins1977
02-22-2009, 10:33
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No. But he can grow into the job.
He lacks experience and gravitas. But develop these things, he will. :drillsgt:
Lady Glock
02-22-2009, 12:20
800 billion dollars further in debt in his first 2 months in office. Shows good administrative skills to me...doesn't it to you? :upeyes:
Roger2fan
03-01-2009, 18:35
Sorry but NO
thats a big HELL NO:wavey:
striker6126
03-03-2009, 22:10
My father always said F with the bull and you WILL get the horns.
I would say we are getting the horns now.
Don At PC
03-16-2009, 12:06
NO, Not even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
800 billion dollars further in debt in his first 2 months in office. Shows good administrative skills to me...doesn't it to you? :upeyes:
I'm certainly impressed. :rofl:
slewfoot
03-25-2009, 15:20
Man, It's weird to hear a president with such a command of the English language. I guess I have been "Bushified". I kind of liked the tripped up euphemisms of our former figurehead.
I don't know, but maybe having a smart president Isn't such a bad thing. I know bush was fun loving and a "living in the now" kinda dude, but that ***** didn't really work out. It does suck that we will be respected by countries we were taught to hate.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Another teleprompter fan.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Another teleprompter fan.
Yep. Reading someone else's rhetoric doesn't equal innate intelligence.
Rhetoric used to be a respectable art before it was corrupted into political nonsense.
mikesommer
03-26-2009, 18:44
Big no from me
Im too poor to vote Republican. I voted for President Obama.
glockdad
04-10-2009, 21:58
do you say no because of gun control or just the wrong person all together?
Lady Glock
04-11-2009, 06:41
Im too poor to vote Republican. I voted for President Obama.
Do you have children?
If so, hope they enjoy paying for the debt that "President Obama" has bestowed on them. Hope their children and grandchildren enjoy it too.
do you say no because of gun control or just the wrong person all together?
Obviously I don't speak for anyone else, but...
Gun control is the least of concerns with this guy. While gun control is a big deal for me, apologizing for the nation, bowing to Saudi kings, flushing the constitution in its entirety, unabashed socialism, spending trillions, interfering with the private sector, and buying into this "global community" nonsense all come long before gun control.
This was a pre-election question, but he's far worse than even I anticipated, and I thought I knew what we were in for.
Do you have children?
If so, hope they enjoy paying for the debt that "President Obama" has bestowed on them. Hope their children and grandchildren enjoy it too.
I'd use this guy: :rofl:
But this one is probably more appropriate: :crying:
I do not have children. But President Obama is not single-handedly to blame for the astronomical amount of debt our children and their children will be responsible for...
No, but he will double it with a plan that will never work, people relying on Government soley will never work and will do nothing than add more money to a deficit already out of control.
Fred Hansen
04-11-2009, 11:55
Hussein could live a thousand lifetimes, and he would still be out of his depth in a puddle of tears.
No, but he will double it with a plan that will never work...
That's awfully generous. :whistling:
glockdad
04-12-2009, 02:16
Obviously I don't speak for anyone else, but...
Gun control is the least of concerns with this guy. While gun control is a big deal for me, apologizing for the nation, bowing to Saudi kings, flushing the constitution in its entirety, unabashed socialism, spending trillions, interfering with the private sector, and buying into this "global community" nonsense all come long before gun control.
This was a pre-election question, but he's far worse than even I anticipated, and I thought I knew what we were in for.
I'd use this guy: :rofl:
But this one is probably more appropriate: :crying:
Good your not one sided. He's just all wrong!
Good your not one sided. He's just all wrong!
:supergrin: Ha, yup, this is definitely multi-dimensional lack of qualifications!
this thread just wont die. :)
Yep. Reading someone else's rhetoric doesn't equal innate intelligence.
Rhetoric used to be a respectable art before it was corrupted into political nonsense.
Its the era of American Idol. The masses love a great performance, and Barry delivers. Nevermind that what he spews is tanking our country.:steamed:
Waylay Heat
04-18-2009, 08:17
No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stan Shepherd
04-20-2009, 22:27
Sad to say---------Hell no! Semper Fi
faawrenchbndr
04-25-2009, 05:45
I do not think he is even qualified to run GM.
We still have not seen the birth certificate!
I do not think he is even qualified to run GM.
We still have not seen the birth certificate!
So much for "freedom of information" when it actually matters.
faawrenchbndr
04-25-2009, 09:06
Amazing how the laws work FOR SOME prople sometimes. :dunno:
IndyBassin
04-25-2009, 09:52
Im too poor to vote Republican. I voted for President Obama.
Like Oprah and rest of the stars?
Let's see he picked Hillary Clinton as Secreatry of State............. hmmmmm
I do not think he is even qualified to run GM.
We still have not seen the birth certificate!
:wavey: well said my friend
Glocktastic
06-06-2009, 11:33
No but I think his telepromter is.
O' WELL he's in there, just deal with it:dunno:
Centinul1911
06-08-2009, 20:20
Pole is still there but I think my browser blocked the results of the poll.
But put me down for the big NO vote as well.
The_Gun_Guru
06-13-2009, 21:04
O' WELL he's in there, just deal with it:dunno:
Hey new guy, go troll somewhere else!
BTW....put me down for a BIG FAT
NO!!!
The man is useless!
The man is useless!
That's awful generous. :rofl:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080828-1300-cvn-conventionrdp.html
leave link cold please
no>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Airman 28
09-09-2009, 11:33
No, No, and well, NOOOOOOOOOO.
How can 53% of the other people that voted think otherwise ?
Oh, that's right they've been brainwashed into thinking he's right, because he must be because of his skin color. Whatever.
Yes. That does not mean I will vote for him.
Tommy Gun
10-12-2009, 22:57
To the question, No!
No, No, and well, NOOOOOOOOOO.
How can 53% of the other people that voted think otherwise ?
Oh, that's right they've been brainwashed into thinking he's right, because he must be because of his skin color. Whatever.
They are still waiting for their money.
What might those qualities be? I would suggest as a minimum
Honesty
Best interest in the country
Believer in the founding documents
Patriot
Wisdom
The gift of insight
Awareness of our enemies intentions
A heart for the people above self or party
Knowledge of history
I do not see BHO as having an abundance of any of these things. Now that he is president, it seems to me honesty is out along with the best interst of the country. He has said the founding documents are flawed. His interest does not seem to put america first. In fact his so called Pastor has repeatedly said GD America. He has little insight into our enemies. Oh, and he has visited all 57 states.
It is said a democracy gets what it deserves. I do not know if that is true. But I know this, he is definelty - based on his voting patterns - against the 2nd amendment.
There must be a hero out there somewhere who does not assocatie with marxists, does not want to backrupt the country and has our best interest at heart.
Vote brothers vote.
Harley Rider 55
11-24-2009, 04:49
President? NO
A socialist dictator? YES
mesteve2
11-24-2009, 06:14
he got nice suits (Empty suited tard)
he got hair on his head.
:rofl:
he got two things going for him the above mentioned.
Other than that he is NO DAM GOOD FOR NOthing _ P O S :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
unclebob
11-25-2009, 11:02
Lets see.
Racist
Muslim
Anti Capaliest
Anti American
Narcissistic
Marxist
Socialist
Big Government
Dictator
Probably not even an American.:dunno:
No but HELL NO
Lt. Col. Jim Kennedy
11-25-2009, 18:39
I spent too much time in combat in jungles and on mountains fighting enemies of this country to even give this Islamic socialist who isn't even eligible to be President the time of day. (I was going to say to give him something else but I'm trying to keep this post clean.)
My weapons sergeant on my A team in Vietnam won the Medal of Honor posthumously doing even more than I could do for America so even the thought of BHO in the White House makes me sick especially when he bows to some of the scum of the earth rulers who hate America and then also apologizes for it.
Yeah, I'm bitter and clinging to my Glock, shotguns, rifles and a Bible. Yes, Janet Nepolitano, I guess that along with my 22 years in the Army makes me a right wing terrorist. But just show me the birth certificate rather than spending a million dollars keeping it hidden.
:steamed:
At best he is incompetent, at worse, a form of Manchurian candidate sent to destroy our nation.
ldcarson
11-26-2009, 00:53
2nd post - FOLLOWUP
till a BIG NO...nothing has changed except he is proving more and more that he is not capable or able to do the job. OBAMA=FAIL for the USA.
Howdy meshmdz,
Originally Posted by meshmdz
Im too poor to vote Republican. I voted for President Obama.
+1!:supergrin:
Gee aren't you glad McCain/Palin didn't get elected?
Just think, if McCain would have had a heart attack Palin would have taken over as POTUS and before she even got moved into the WH she would have quit and then Pelosi would be POTUS.:shocked:
Paul
M2 Carbine
12-06-2009, 17:51
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
That incompetent fool is just barely qualified enough to clean my cat's litter box and that's only if he can read the instructions from his teleprompter. :rofl:
He needs to back to what ever his country is, and continue his community organizing.
bullseye9mm
12-10-2009, 21:47
If Obama's an idiot, I'd hate to see what your opinion of GW Bush is.
If GW was qualified for it, ANYONE is qualified for it.
(you just can't fix stupid, no matter how much money you have, or how willing daddy is to fix it for you)
If Obama's an idiot, I'd hate to see what your opinion of GW Bush is.
If GW was qualified for it, ANYONE is qualified for it.
(you just can't fix stupid, no matter how much money you have, or how willing daddy is to fix it for you)haha my opinion of him was higher than my opinion of braaaack and lower than reagan and big bush
bullseye9mm
12-11-2009, 00:13
Everyone differs in their opinions of all our Presidents.
After all, we vote for the president of the USA, and he was elected.
make no bones about it, there are good things and bad things alike in every administration,
Face it, EVERY politician lies to get elected.
He's in office, give him a chance. Let him try to make his changes, and if he succeeds, everyone wins, if he fails he wont be re elected.
I'm not fighting the Democrat vs Republican stance, thats just a waste of time.
Let whoever the people elect have a chance and see what happens. Republican, Democrat and everyone between.
trajan07
12-12-2009, 09:28
nope.
haha i wish that him, pelosi reid etc all fell out of a plane before the elections
infiniti0505
12-13-2009, 17:41
haha i wish that him, pelosi reid etc all fell out of a plane before the elections
Only in a perfect world.....:supergrin:
unclebob
12-13-2009, 19:32
Everyone differs in their opinions of all our Presidents.
After all, we vote for the president of the USA, and he was elected.
make no bones about it, there are good things and bad things alike in every administration,
Face it, EVERY politician lies to get elected.
He's in office, give him a chance. Let him try to make his changes, and if he succeeds, everyone wins, if he fails he wont be re elected.
I'm not fighting the Democrat vs Republican stance, thats just a waste of time.
Let whoever the people elect have a chance and see what happens. Republican, Democrat and everyone between.
Sorry, but I do not care too live under a socialist society. When he said help me change the greats country in the world. What do you think what he meant. Change. Did people who voted for him know what change meant?
I know I lost my job because of him.
bandmasterjf
12-13-2009, 19:42
The qualifications are
35 years old- yep
Natural Born citizen- Jury still out on that one IMO. but officially yes.
Received the necessary votes from the electoral college- yep
Those are the only official qualifications, and he has them.
There are many people who are qualified for the job they have yet suck at it. :tongueout:
haha i wish that him, pelosi reid etc all fell out of a plane before the elections
:rofl: agreed
mymini40
12-16-2009, 18:07
No!!!
TerdSlayer
01-02-2010, 11:25
He is not qualified , I've been hanging around here for only a few days and have come to the conclusion that some of the people here could do a better job !
double07gt
01-06-2010, 00:50
Do you have children?
If so, hope they enjoy paying for the debt that "President Obama" has bestowed on them. Hope their children and grandchildren enjoy it too.
I voted NO also, but some of you people seem to FORGET about the past 8-yrs before Obama was elected. He didn't cause our huge debt problem(s).....but hell, no GOOD republican will EVER admit who really ****ed things up......
double07gt
01-06-2010, 00:55
If Obama's an idiot, I'd hate to see what your opinion of GW Bush is.
If GW was qualified for it, ANYONE is qualified for it.
(you just can't fix stupid, no matter how much money you have, or how willing daddy is to fix it for you)
Amen..........
and to think ole Jeb Bush could be in the running for 2012 is scary too.
I voted NO also, but some of you people seem to FORGET about the past 8-yrs before Obama was elected. He didn't cause our huge debt problem(s).....but hell, no GOOD republican will EVER admit who really ****ed things up......what about the billions he has spent in the last year driving his libtard agenda
Glock-it-to-me
01-06-2010, 02:27
He's about as qualified as Jesse Jackson
TerdSlayer
01-06-2010, 07:12
And jesse jackson is about as qualified as rev. al sharpton !
double07gt
01-06-2010, 15:31
what about the billions he has spent in the last year driving his libtard agenda
and you don't think McCain would've done the same thing? Even if he didn't we'd been ****ed. Right or wrong moves, the current administration and Obama will be scrutinized. The GOP had their chance, they blew it because they didn't have a plan nor could they make a freakin decision on what needed to be done.
unclebob
01-06-2010, 16:56
and you don't think McCain would've done the same thing? Even if he didn't we'd been ****ed. Right or wrong moves, the current administration and Obama will be scrutinized. The GOP had their chance, they blew it because they didn't have a plan nor could they make a freakin decision on what needed to be done.
And you think Obama has? 3 months in deciding if he wanted to send troops or not. Increasing unemployment too double digit. Obama is great if you like Socialism and Marx-ism. May be that is why the majority of his cabinet believes in Socialism and Marxism.Yep he makes great decisions. NOT. Yes thanks too Obama and his brilliant decisions I no longer have a job. And I pay more in taxes, No cola increase. Congress got one.
Yes the Republican screwed up because they lost their Reagan conservative ideas and started to act like Democrats.
And yes the last years Bush was in office it was really screwed up is because the Democrats had the majority in the House and Senate. For some reason you Liberals want too over look that.
and you don't think McCain would've done the same thing? Even if he didn't we'd been ****ed. Right or wrong moves, the current administration and Obama will be scrutinized. The GOP had their chance, they blew it because they didn't have a plan nor could they make a freakin decision on what needed to be done.although i didnt like mcain either no i dont believe he would have done all of the bailouts. they were assinine. i dont think mcain would have done the dirty dealing to get a bull**** health care bill that many of us dont want passed. whats pathetic is that braacks stupid ass and mcain were the best candidates the two primary parties could come up with. some of the smaller parties had candidates that i believe would have been able to do a much better job if given the chance. that being said i think those in congress and the senate like the status quo and the power abuses to which they have become accusomed to. braaacks appointing all of his so called czars is also bull****. they are making decisions and changing policies without going through the lawfull checks and balances which are there to try and protect us. he is a turd as are all of his appointees. pelosi is another tard
HandyMan Hugh
01-06-2010, 18:52
IMO, The Obamassiah is not, nor has he ever been qualified to be president. In order to be a good president, one has to have something else in mind besides self aggrandizement! Something as simple as concern for the well being of our countrymen and the welfare of the nation as a whole. IMO Barack HUSSEIN Obama has neither! While he MAY have a valid Hawiian birth certificate, he is NOT an American. In his formative years, Obama was being raised in foreign countries, and was thoroughly indoctrinated with THEIR values and mores! IMO Obama doesn't give a rat's patootie about the US or its people. He should not serve a full term. He should resign, at least the vice president IS an American.
RMTactical
01-07-2010, 15:39
No, Obama is an idiot.
Moot point, presidents no longer run this country.
Obama = no more guns. I think the NRA will even have a tough time with this clown, if elected.
oops sorry I have to go it is the government at my door... I am sure they are here to get my weapons.
snaproll
03-13-2010, 23:12
Obama = no more guns. I think the NRA will even have a tough time with this clown, if elected.
Hope all the fools that voted for this clown are happy.
piebiter
03-16-2010, 13:43
His agenda and policies speak for themselves.
mitchshrader
03-16-2010, 13:46
I finally figured out something niceish to say about Obama. it was work. if he ever IS qualified to be president, it'll be after he stops thinking he is qualified.
see? niceish.
faawrenchbndr
03-23-2010, 09:33
I can sum Obama up in one word,....LIAR
But people voted for Bush what he know?
unclebob
03-23-2010, 11:06
But people voted for Bush what he know?
So what were the Democrats saying before Bush got elected too office? About the weapons of mass destruction. So I guess that makes them liars also.
If Bush new when he said it, Then yes he would be a liar. But when he said it He and everyone else thought they had the weapons.
slewfoot
04-08-2010, 14:18
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
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id love to see a national pole to the people who voted for the fool, do you regret your vote for obama?
i bet over half the people who put him in office regret it
ldcarson
05-02-2010, 03:20
Well its over a year now...and so far I'm right. the answer is still "NO" and he proves it more each day!
That's a big NO.
Semper Fi my Brothers Till the Day We Die!!!
Sandiesman007
05-12-2010, 18:43
Are you freaking kidding me?????
pilsbury
05-12-2010, 20:49
this guy is a classic Chicago thug-no more, no less
I like this thread, happy it is still alive.
He is still qualified (U.S. citizen who meets the age requirements), has not made a gun grab, is easily as "qualified" as say Palin (who many of you haters are in love with, yet she can't take the pressure of her half term governor pressure or off the cuff questions unless written on her hand).
Frankly, in 2012, if it is Palin vs Obama, they both will be "qualified" and no matter who wins you red team vs blue team lemmings will get what you deserve.
PS - I voted McCain, Bush, Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush. No liberal here, but I'm enjoying the thread, and I'm fascinated by the lack of intellectual honesty. If Obama is unqualified, then how weakly qualified were those who ran against him? Then on the other side, if you are a Democrat, if you really believe the Republicans are just the party of no ideas, then how highly can you esteem Democrat's ideas given the lack of competition?
I vote Hell No. And I also vote that he is the worse President ever. (When that poll comes around).
Howdy meshmdz,
Originally Posted by meshmdz
Im too poor to vote Republican. I voted for President Obama.
+1!:supergrin:
Gee aren't you glad McCain/Palin didn't get elected?
Just think, if McCain would have had a heart attack Palin would have taken over as POTUS and before she even got moved into the WH she would have quit and then Pelosi would be POTUS.:shocked:
Paul
Palin to Pelosi, we would have gone from suck to super suck!
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20080828-1300-cvn-conventionrdp.html
Leave link cold please
No,I think he believes hes qualified to be President but, living in IL. and seeing what he and likeminded politicians have been part of here , there is no way he can possibly run the country effectively.He has made so many promises how can he even keep 1.I just hope he goes in 2012.
Shortimer
07-19-2010, 15:39
No its not a learn on the job position
Thunderbolt56
07-21-2010, 10:58
Got yo munny...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/Gotyomoney.gif
Heel NO! :puking: :moonie:
DeathProof1982
07-22-2010, 20:38
NO way!
Mahalo_.32
07-22-2010, 21:12
Well, the way i was raised i am supposed to honor and respect my elected officials.
Yeah, that has been a difficult task and i have failed! How can i respect a person that is disrespecting our COUNTRY and has such a condesending demeanor towards AMERICA so my answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!
blackhawk45
07-25-2010, 17:40
Surely,you jest ????????????????
rangeruger
08-04-2010, 16:42
No!!!!
I don't think 0bama has the necessary qualities to find his ass with both hands.
Glock940
08-04-2010, 18:47
Just like many others here have said....NO! and that's saying it nicely.
Should a mention no birth certificate?
Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?
No. To be a good president we need someone who is part economist, part military warrior, part businessman, part negotiator, and above all else someone who can keep a cool head in a crisis. I know BO is not an economist, not a military warrior, and not a businessman. He may be a good negotiator but the jury is still out whether or not he can lead in a crisis (see Gulf oil spill for more info).
crsuribe
11-21-2010, 10:23
I don't understand why him and so many people who voted for him seem to want to turn America into Switzerland or Norway. This is a huge, wild land and their system would never work here. America is a unique country; there's no other like it in just about every way and needs to be thought of as such. You can't pretend to do things in America the way anybody else does them because things just don't work the same way over here.
And really, he should be completely and primarily focused on the economy and keeping our country safe and nothing else, at least for now. People need jobs more than good/free health insurance. Sad but true.
No, no, no, a thousand times no! He never did and never will. His left wing ideology just wont allow him to be.
No how,no way the man is a socialist and that won't work here.
tuf8seconds
02-05-2011, 18:46
"HELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"!!!!!!!
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A-merica
irrelevant inquiry. the fact is that He IS President and the vast majority of the electorate thought that he did and was qualified to be President. not to mention, the fact that many of his policies and moves in terms of foreign policy are not any different from Dubya. he has escalated troops here in afghanistan which is something he said he wouldnt do in the campaign. nevertheless, i support my commander in chief and have faith that we are attempting to do something of necessity here in this God-awful country.
HandyMan Hugh
03-05-2011, 05:17
irrelevant inquiry. the fact is that He IS President and the vast majority of the electorate thought that he did and was qualified to be President. not to mention, the fact that many of his policies and moves in terms of foreign policy are not any different from Dubya. he has escalated troops here in afghanistan which is something he said he wouldnt do in the campaign. nevertheless, i support my commander in chief and have faith that we are attempting to do something of necessity here in this God-awful country.
Thank you for your service to our country. I have to disagree with you on some points. IMO, NOBODY is fully qualified to step into the office of the presidency of this country. The job is way too complex. There is a lot of OJT for anyone elected to the position. IMO, Mr. Obama was elected as much by the left wing news media as by the voters. The mainstream media has become nothing but a propaganda machine for the far left politicians in America. IMO, the similarities in foreign policy moves are dictated by the situation and the rational thoughts and ideas of qualified subordinates, not by any inspiration on the part of either president. There were, IMO other people in the last election who brought more experience and more of the 'pre-requisites' to the table than Mr. Obama.
I do agree that American troops in the middle east ARE trying to do good in what appears to be a God-forsaken part of the world. Thanks to you and your brothers and sisters-in-arms for your efforts and service to America.
Thank you for your service to our country. I have to disagree with you on some points. IMO, NOBODY is fully qualified to step into the office of the presidency of this country. The job is way too complex. There is a lot of OJT for anyone elected to the position. IMO, Mr. Obama was elected as much by the left wing news media as by the voters. The mainstream media has become nothing but a propaganda machine for the far left politicians in America. IMO, the similarities in foreign policy moves are dictated by the situation and the rational thoughts and ideas of qualified subordinates, not by any inspiration on the part of either president. There were, IMO other people in the last election who brought more experience and more of the 'pre-requisites' to the table than Mr. Obama.
I do agree that American troops in the middle east ARE trying to do good in what appears to be a God-forsaken part of the world. Thanks to you and your brothers and sisters-in-arms for your efforts and service to America.
thank you for the kind words sir. im getting the experience here of a lifetime... leading soldiers is such an honor and very exciting. you make good points about Obama being president - no one is really "qualified," whatever that really means, to be President.. the office itself is a baptized by fire kind of OJT, as you mentioned. nevertheless, President Obama hasnt done anything as far as gun control legislation goes that would anger lawful gun owners like myself. in fact, quite the contrary. Obama lifted the federal ban for CCWers carrying their pieces into national forests and he has no re-enacted any gun control legislation that we had under clinton. people give the president a hard time and love to hate on him. i think, given the hand he inherited, i think he is doing OK. i think one of his flaws is that he tries to please every facet of the political machine... the truth is, you cant do that all the time. like with this DOMA - he is dancing around the issue on how he feels... he just needs to come out and say he supports the institution of marriage between man/woman - or he doesnt. i dont agree with everything he says or does, but I did vote for him and i will continue to support my Commander-in-Chief, be it Obama or anyone else.
jakebrake
03-20-2011, 10:01
no. not one . he is homogeneously unqualified in any way. he really doesn't have a clue. he is in so far over his head he may never see daylight again. as clueless about his job as the day is long.
relayman
03-20-2011, 10:03
Sure . He does what he's told , and reads from the teleprompter fairly well .
relayman
03-20-2011, 10:05
irrelevant inquiry. the fact is that He IS President and the vast majority of the electorate thought that he did and was qualified to be President. Not exactly . The majority of the electorate that turned out to vote ( sometimes more than once ) thought so . Just clearing that up .:supergrin:
Glenriven
03-21-2011, 14:06
No, and he never will be.
mattallamerican
04-18-2011, 16:08
he has never worked a day in his life. he was let in to college because of a quota system.he cant talk without a tellapromter. the most unqualified man ever to hold the job
The media thought he was,...
I DID NOT!
I think he really represents the Chicago political machine, He is a crook.
TangoFoxtrot
05-29-2011, 05:07
Obama certainly has more intelligence and qualifications than George W.Bush, without a doubt!
Lady Glock
05-29-2011, 07:29
Obama certainly has more intelligence and qualifications than George W.Bush, without a doubt!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:Just goes to prove, you can't FIX stupid!!!
I think he is the most qualified president since FDR.:wavey:
unclebob
05-31-2011, 12:01
I think he is the most qualified president since FDR.:wavey::rofl::rofl::rofl:
If I didn’t know you I would think you were joking. Obama is not the solicitation to the problem he is the problem. Along with over ¾ of the people in Washington.
sourdough44
08-05-2011, 09:40
Firm NO, but many don't care or understand. Yes he is a big part of the problem, along with his minions.
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