I just got royally SCREWED at work. I hate corporate America.

[KenBGlock19]

Remember that Sales job in TX? The Marketing gig here in Greenwich? Ya...

Just got called by some ***** in HR telling me to report to DISPATCH Tuesday morning. I just trained for 15-months and was flown to TX last week to interview for this Sales thing, got interviewed for the Marketing thing Monday, etc. They hire 2 people into this program a year...told me it was a management training program - BULL****. :steamed: They also told us we'd be picking our final, permanent departments ourselves. NOT.

So, after telling them REPEATEDLY that I DIDN'T WANT DISPATCH, they stick me there because "the company is reorganizing and that's the department that will be taking the biggest blow - you're needed there. Sorry."

15 months of my time...thousands upon thousands of their money...glad to see that they "care" about their employees.

I cannot even tell you how mad I am...I hate this place.

[Woofie]

Remember that Sales job in TX? The Marketing gig here in Greenwich? Ya...

Just got called by some ***** in HR telling me to report to DISPATCH Tuesday morning. I just trained for 15-months and was flown to TX last week to interview for this Sales thing, got interviewed for the Marketing thing Monday, etc. They hire 2 people into this program a year...told me it was a management training program - BULL****. :steamed: They also told us we'd be picking our final, permanent departments ourselves. NOT.

So, after telling them REPEATEDLY that I DIDN'T WANT DISPATCH, they stick me there because "the company is reorganizing and that's the department that will be taking the biggest blow - you're needed there. Sorry."

15 months of my time...thousands upon thousands of their money...glad to see that they "care" about their employees.

I cannot even tell you how mad I am...I hate this place.

What's the deal with the policeman's job you were trying to get?

[allanc]

Sorry you feel like you were screwed. Remember that the company is in business to look after itself, not its employees.

[KenBGlock19]

What's the deal with the policeman's job you were trying to get?

Won't hear until Oct.

[PlaneJane]

So how does this affect your marital situation? Better, worse, doesn't matter?


Jane

[Longtooths]

What is the company name in TX?

[KenBGlock19]

So how does this affect your marital situation? Better, worse, doesn't matter?


Jane

She's probably thrilled that I'm staying. Problem is, the salary here is terrible - i was expecting a huge raise. I have a job in Upstate NY if I need it, but that will require a move, too. Who knows...

[KenBGlock19]

What is the company name in TX?

It's not based outta TX. It's just a satellite office for the main office here.

[brickboy240]

Corporate America completely sucks...thats why I left it 8 years ago and would NEVER go back.

Suits and ties, misison statements, cubicles, taking orders from snot nosed MBA types, the politics, casual Friday.....yuck!

I'd never go back to that kind of workplace...ever.

- brickboy240

PS: sorry you're stuck in CT...thats the worst part of it all...stuck in blue state Occupied America...a tragedy.

[KenBGlock19]

Corporate America completely sucks...thats why I left it 8 years ago and would NEVER go back.

Suits and ties, misison statements, cubicles, taking orders from snot nosed MBA types, the politics, casual Friday.....yuck!

I'd never go back to that kind of workplace...ever.

- brickboy240

PS: sorry you're stuck in CT...thats the worst part of it all...stuck in blue state Occupied America...a tragedy.

Ya....the job market up here ain't exactly stellar, either. I'm so screwed...

[Arquebus12]

Move on.

I remember your other threads on this topic, and was worried for you, because you were tying too much of your personal satisfaction and potential for happiness on this working out for you. Take charge of your life, move on. Don't be subject to an employer, control your own destiny.

Yes, I know that's bold talk for an anonymous internetter to throw at you, but I sympathize. You may take a pay hit, you'll lose any seniority, but so what?

Something that doesn't look good on the surface is my work record, having had many, many jobs in the past 20 years. I didn't move up every time I changed, but I was able to start over, re-invent myself, take what I had learned and leave behind the mistakes I had made. Today, I'm making more money than I thought was possible, working from home again today, like every Friday, and I'm appreciated by my employers. All this came from being able to recognize opportunities as they arose, and from leaving other employers when it wasn't working out/became obvious it would never work out for me.

New beginnings, new chances to make good first impressions, and bring wisdom and experience to an employer. And every time I've done it, I'm glad I did, because if you hate going to work for someone, it's simply not worth doing it, for all concerned.

Like I said, take charge, and make a change. I'm sincerely pulling for you.

[Arquebus12]

Sorry you feel like you were screwed. Remember that the company is in business to look after itself, not its employees.

For once, you and I are in perfect agreement. Well said.

[JASV.17]

She's probably thrilled that I'm staying. Problem is, the salary here is terrible - i was expecting a huge raise. I have a job in Upstate NY if I need it, but that will require a move, too. Who knows...


Whereabout in Upstate?

[KenBGlock19]

Move on.

I remember your other threads on this topic, and was worried for you, because you were tying too much of your personal satisfaction and potential for happiness on this working out for you. Take charge of your life, move on. Don't be subject to an employer, control your own destiny.

Yes, I know that's bold talk for an anonymous internetter to throw at you, but I sympathize. You may take a pay hit, you'll lose any seniority, but so what?

Something that doesn't look good on the surface is my work record, having had many, many jobs in the past 20 years. I didn't move up every time I changed, but I was able to start over, re-invent myself, take what I had learned and leave behind the mistakes I had made. Today, I'm making more money than I thought was possible, working from home again today, like every Friday, and I'm appreciated by my employers. All this came from being able to recognize opportunities as they arose, and from leaving other employers when it wasn't working out/became obvious it would never work out for me.

New beginnings, new chances to make good first impressions, and bring wisdom and experience to an employer. And every time I've done it, I'm glad I did, because if you hate going to work for someone, it's simply not worth doing it, for all concerned.

Like I said, take charge, and make a change. I'm sincerely pulling for you.

Thanks, Arq. I don't think pay could get much lower here in CT than what I'm making now. I have a tough time paying rent as it is. $1511/mo for a one bedroom, one bath. Just gave my 60 days notice because the company didn't know anything yet, and I would have taken a $4K hit if I had cancelled within the 60 days. It was a lose-lose.

[Arquebus12]

Look here, as well. Lots of Law Enforcement careers here in Ohio, especially in the suburbs. PM me if you care to.

Moving to Ohio. (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=915729)

[KenBGlock19]

Whereabout in Upstate?

Actually, might not be upstate...might be lower state - sorry. Elmira, NY (sorry if spelling is wrong). Not greatly familiar with NY yet.

[Tailhunter]

Sorry you feel like you were screwed. Remember that the company is in business to look after itself, not its employees.

"Dang" company needs to remember that it is it's employees .....

[eisman]

Walk in, thank them for the training, and let them know you're moving to a new job where it will give you the position and money you need. (Be sure you have that other job first.)

And if your wife still hasn't cut that umbillical cord, it ain't never gonna happen.

[fabricator]

For once, you and I are in perfect agreement. Well said.

Anbd it looks like they are doing a fine job of looking after the companys needs, after spending thousands on training him for a different position and all.

[TheeBadOne]

FWIW: I hope this all somehow works out to your advantage eventually.

TBO

[ithaca_deerslayer]

Actually, might not be upstate...might be lower state - sorry. Elmira, NY (sorry if spelling is wrong). Not greatly familiar with NY yet.

Upstate.

Take out a freaking map and learn about your choices. I suggest getting a topo map of the state, called an atlas and gazetter (I'm too lazy to look it up, but it exists, I have it, and has about 80 pages of just NYS). Or at least look at google maps on-line. Find where the job is located, and then draw a 30 mile circle around that spot, and that gives you your living choices.

Figure how far in driving from there to mommy-in-law's.

Look up on-line the houses/apartments to see costs. Even if you aren't buying a house now, you can see what type of thing is available down the road.

With a kid, you should look up the schools too. NYSED on-line (somewhere, I don't know where) has a report card of all schools. That may help you figure where a good place for your kid would be.

See, the internety is useful for more things than just guns and porn.

:)

[slewfoot]

Working for corporate America is a hell of a lot better than not working at all.

You could have been downsized. Show an inappropriate attitude and that may still happen.

Life is full of disappointments, living through them makes you stronger.

[Dirty Dealer]

Sorry to hear of your problems, makes me glad I'm retired...

[medic2258]

I have learned that everything good or bad happens for a reason. You need to find out what the reason (or lesson) is and learn from it and move on. Take the training the company gave you and market it to other employers. I have used many employers to build my resume and move up to where I am today. You also need to write down your objectives or goals for 1, 5, & 10 yrs, and formulate a plan to achieve those goals. Be sure to write down all of the blessings in your life everyday and be thankful for them. BE POSITIVE no matter how hard it is or how much things suck. I have been in an almost exact same situation concerning career, wife / family, and where I reside. Good Luck!!

[Atlas]

FWIW -
I spent '05 and '06 about 20 miles west of Elmira.
That is a beautiful, really fine place to be if you don't mind mostly dark, gloomy winters.
I loved western NY. The entire region is very nice, with a lot of very fine folks.

[KenBGlock19]

Thanks, all...I have a meeting with the C.O.O. this afternoon - will advise once I hear from him.

[Holy hal]

Sorry you feel like you were screwed. Remember that the company is in business to look after itself, not its employees.
While the company may be in buisness to look after itself, it also needs to realize that without looking after its employees, morale and productivity will suffer. Management needs to realize that it should work just as hard for the employees as it's employess work for them. There used to be a time when the company would take care of its people because the people would take care of the company. And I think its sad to see that our nation has choosen greed over the betterment of its ctizens. It makes me fearful to think that my children will have to grow up in a world that cares more about money and profits than it does about making it a better place.

[DrMaxit]

You don't like 'Merica den Git out! :upeyes:

Happens to everyone guy...

--Chuck

[allanc]

While the company may be in buisness to look after itself, it also needs to realize that without looking after its employees, morale and productivity will suffer. Management needs to realize that it should work just as hard for the employees as it's employess work for them. There used to be a time when the company would take care of its people because the people would take care of the company. And I think its sad to see that our nation has choosen greed over the betterment of its ctizens. It makes me fearful to think that my children will have to grow up in a world that cares more about money and profits than it does about making it a better place.

That's true but you and I do not have all the information that the company based this decision on. Should a business drive itself into the ground just to "help out" the employees? If the company does that and has to go out of business, where does that leave the employees?

[slewfoot]

Thanks, all...I have a meeting with the C.O.O. this afternoon - will advise once I hear from him.

I hope he doesn't go into this meeting with the attitude he is too qualified for the position offered.

I know a guy that did that. The boss agreed with him, then laid him off.

[Holy hal]

That's true but you and I do not have all the information that the company based this decision on. Should a business drive itself into the ground just to "help out" the employees? If the company does that and has to go out of business, where does that leave the employees?
I do not pretend to know all the information, but it clearly obvious by looking at all of corporate america, that this is far from an isolated incident. I have worked for a major shipping company for the past 10 years, and I have seen this first hand. when I first started, the employees nationwide, used to get profit sharing, monthly bonuses and quite a few perks. But then the company shareholders decided that the best way to increase profits was to take all that away. Now just like almost every other major company, they think the best way to do buisness is more work with less emp. I for one have missed spending the past two summers with my children, working 10 to 12 hour days, because the company didn't want to spend the extra money to hire someone to replace the people who left due to bad managment, they then took the extra money and decided to invest in a NASCAR team. I din't know about you but I would rather have the time with my kids.

[Deanster]

What incredibly sage words someone :whistling: had for you a few weeks back...
:whistling::supergrin:

Seriously - sorry to hear about this. Time to find someone new to work for.


Sooooooo.... it's like this.

You really need to think about the company you work for.

What are they doing for you? How much are they paying? How much of the move are they paying for? Are they offering guaranteed employment for any amount of time once you get there? Can they decide to lay you off a couple months after you arrive? What if you're not as successful as they expect in the new job? What if you don't get along with your supervisor on the other side?

None of these are intended as negatives about you, but just the realities of the workplace - companies ask the world, but don't always deliver in the long run. The worst of all possible worlds is that you push a move like this super-hard, go, and then end up laid off, fired, or in a dead-end position someplace you'd NEVER be if it weren't for the job you moved for.

I understand that the company has trained you, spent time and money, and presumably with the understanding that you'd relocate at the end of the process. I'm usually on management's side on this - it just sucks to invest in someone, and have them crap out when it's time to get the benefit of what you put into them. However, it's absolutely critical to remember how much loyalty the company has to you - some, but probably not, say, $10K worth of guaranteed salary and move-back-home money if they release you in the first year in Dallas.



The other choice is to sit down with the COO, and say calmly, and without any hint of anger or malice, that you're deeply disappointed in the change of plans. You'd been working hard for the opportunity, and planning your life around the move, and you want to make sure you stay on a track of growth and increased opportunity. Tell him you're thrilled to do what the company needs, and you understand that this is the area where they need the most assistance. However, can they make a commitment to getting you back on the fast track, either by giving you the salary you'd been promised, even though you're in a different position, or a commitment that you'll be moved into a more-favorable position in a reasonable time frame?

The one thing to keep in mind is that you have a family now, and can't afford to be out of work for long. Go and do a GREAT job wherever they send you, and plan your future, whether with them or someone else, thoughtfully and carefully.

Don't whine, act grateful for the paycheck, and focus on how to do the best for your employer during working hours. Then go figure out what's best for YOU, and try to find a way to make that happen that respects both your needs and those of your employer (effective transition, don't leave them in the lurch, etc.). Don't lash out or burn bridges... no matter what.

[happy seal]

Actually, might not be upstate...might be lower state - sorry. Elmira, NY (sorry if spelling is wrong). Not greatly familiar with NY yet.


Kenb,
What do you do for work?
I guess i missed earlier threads. I might be able to give you a lead.

[Clyde in CO]

Thanks, Arq. I don't think pay could get much lower here in CT than what I'm making now. I have a tough time paying rent as it is. $1511/mo for a one bedroom, one bath. Just gave my 60 days notice because the company didn't know anything yet, and I would have taken a $4K hit if I had cancelled within the 60 days. It was a lose-lose.

jeez louise you could have a house for that much up here, a nice one.

time to get out of there.

[KenBGlock19]

Kenb,
What do you do for work?
I guess i missed earlier threads. I might be able to give you a lead.

Sales and Flight Operations for a fractional jet company.

[kapthook]

you seem to have a common trend going where "woe is me. I can do no wrong. everyone else in the world is out to get me."

Id do some strong self eval and start some inner searching before you start to blame anyone. Id ask your friends for honest input about your situation.

Go ahead and quit but just remember you have more than your mouth to feed now and raises should never be counted on. If they come in they then great but smart people get raises and continue the lifestyle they continue to live.

Perhaps your wife feels the need to stay close to family because shes afraid of what can happen if you just quit your job.

[KenBGlock19]

you seem to have a common trend going where "woe is me. I can do no wrong. everyone else in the world is out to get me."

Id do some strong self eval and start some inner searching before you start to blame anyone. Id ask your friends for honest input about your situation.

Go ahead and quit but just remember you have more than your mouth to feed now and raises should never be counted on. If they come in they then great but smart people get raises and continue the lifestyle they continue to live.

Perhaps your wife feels the need to stay close to family because shes afraid of what can happen if you just quit your job.

When did I ever say I can do no wrong? My company mislead me terribly - the C.O.O. admitted that this afternoon in our meeting and apologized profusely. Did I get my hopes up? You bet your sweet ass I did. I wasn't just going on a whim though.

I'm not the King of aviation...don't think for a second that I beleive I am.

[chadster1]

Snap-on is always looking for new franchised dealers. PM me if interested.

[B. Somm]

When did I ever say I can do no wrong? My company mislead me terribly - the C.O.O. admitted that this afternoon in our meeting and apologized profusely. Did I get my hopes up? You bet your sweet ass I did. I wasn't just going on a whim though.


So was anything resolved and/or changed? Did the C.O.O. give you any alternatives or possibilities on whether or not you'd be able to make use of your company sponsered training?

IOW, any results from this meeting?

B. :headscratch:


<-- Works for a large city gubmint and shudders at the thought of working in the private sector! Gubmint politics suck, but for the most part, I've been very fortunate for the past 23/24 years!

[Arquebus12]

Yeah, any news?

[KenBGlock19]

I met with the COO and expressed my utter disappointment with how the company treated me and how much they had wasted two valuable assets thus far (another guy I work with was in this training, too). He agreed and apologized quite profusely. I also let him know that this is NOT why I applied for this program and that they had totally ignored our preferences in permanent departments by placing both of us in our LEAST preferrred depts. However, he claims that there are "bigger things" in store for me in the next few months as they reorganize the Operations side of things. I'll believe that when I see it.

I also told him that my current "salary" isn't working anymore. I was quite frank with him and he said that he'd definitely review the numbers this coming week and come back with something more reasonable. I said thank you.

He claims that they "aren't looking for dispatchers. They are looking for leaders...that's why we put you there, Ken." OK - fair 'nuff. But why the hell would you lead me on for the last 3 months about this Sales thing? He then said that we should have never been lead to believe that the Sales thing would have happened. I then asked why they created an extra training rotation for the department, flew me to TX to meet the team down there, and had promised me a job 5 months ago. He said that with the current reorganization and a new Sales VP coming in that he feared for some people's jobs. I guess this is their effed up way of "protecting" me from getting canned. For that tidbit, I am admittedly grateful.

Anyways - it ended with us coming to the agreement that I'd be moving on rather quickly out of Dispatch and into a leadership position eventually. I will believe it when I see it, but I will be in close contact with him in the next few months - I'm not going to let this go. I won't be annoying, but I will be professionally persistent. Until then, I'm going to kick ass and take names.

[rj1939]

"Dang" company needs to remember that it is it's employees .....

When a company forgets that, it is on the downhill slide. I've been at several that forgot that, some don't exist anymore, some are much smaller as a result.

[rj1939]

Snap-on is always looking for new franchised dealers. PM me if interested.

They ran my last dealer out, he was a lot better than the one before. (who skipped town without telling anybody). We haven't gotten another one to my knowledge.

[HKMark23]

Just got called by some ***** in HR telling me to report to DISPATCH Tuesday morning.
Why is she a *****? For doing her job?
But there is no way that kind of attitude had anything to do with their decision right?

I just trained for 15-months and was flown to TX last week to interview for this Sales thing, got interviewed for the Marketing thing Monday, etc.
Gee, maybe your interview had something to do with their decision?
Naw couldn't be!


So, after telling them REPEATEDLY that I DIDN'T WANT DISPATCH, they stick me there because "the company is reorganizing and that's the department that will be taking the biggest blow - you're needed there. Sorry." 15 months of my time...thousands upon thousands of their money...glad to see that they "care" about their employees.
Because their needs could never change in a short, ity-bity time span like 15 months, heaven forbid that a company would rather fulfill their business needs than keep everyone's heartfelt wants fulfilled.

[HKMark23]

While the company may be in buisness to look after itself, it also needs to realize that without looking after its employees, morale and productivity will suffer. Management needs to realize that it should work just as hard for the employees as it's employess work for them. There used to be a time when the company would take care of its people because the people would take care of the company. And I think its sad to see that our nation has choosen greed over the betterment of its ctizens. It makes me fearful to think that my children will have to grow up in a world that cares more about money and profits than it does about making it a better place.
It would seem that the OP was making a decision based on... umm... ahh... greed....
...i was expecting a huge raise.




Why is it that when the employee is provided a paycheck in exchange for their labor, and the employee wants to improve this exchange rate in their own favor it's all about happiness and fulfilling needs. But when the company wishes to do the same it's called greed? :dunno:

[norton]

Corporate America completely sucks...thats why I left it 8 years ago and would NEVER go back.

Suits and ties, misison statements, cubicles, taking orders from snot nosed MBA types, the politics, casual Friday.....yuck!

I'd never go back to that kind of workplace...ever.

- brickboy240

PS: sorry you're stuck in CT...thats the worst part of it all...stuck in blue state Occupied America...a tragedy.

couple of weeks ago, the company had a meeting with all employees, thanking us for our efforts. Every manager stood up and gave a round of applause to the worker bee's for our efforts.
Big deal.
Cash folks. Money is the motivator, not your meaningless words.

[Texas T]

It would seem that the OP was making a decision based on... umm... ahh... greed....

Why is it that when the employee is provided a paycheck in exchange for their labor, and the employee wants to improve this exchange rate in their own favor it's all about happiness and fulfilling needs. But when the company wishes to do the same it's called greed? :dunno:

Now, now, Mark, don't go putting thought and logic into an emotional diatribe.
:supergrin:

To the original poster... unless you have a written contract from the company that they were going to do "X" within "Y" months, you have nothing to complain about. You have a job. Be happy with that. Look at it as an opportunity to learn a different area of the company and be more well rounded for a future position with the company.

Or, if it really bothers you that much, quit. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to work there every day. You have "chosen" to work for "Corporate America" so if you don't like the choice that you have made you have to look no further for the source of the problem than the nearest mirror.

[RenoF250]

See, the internety is useful for more things than just guns and porn.

:)

Next I'll be reading I can use a treadmill for mare than holding clothes. This place is sick.

/Bill Clinton voice/ I feel your pain, I do. /Bill Clinton voice off/

We had a guy where I work that spent years working towards going over to Asia. He took on different tasks to fulfill their requirements and eventually got dumped in a crappy area and ended up quitting. Don't believe that a corporation is going to give you any more than you are getting right now. IF you are not happy with it find somewhere else to go. IF you can't find anyplace better then you have to suck it up. Just remember, at least you are not pumping septic tanks in Phoenix in the summer. There is always a worse job. At least you got to talk to the COO and let him blow sunshine up your tailpipe, most of us do not even get that.

Work is a $#1t sandwich and the more bread you get the less you notice the $#!t.