I just spent about 2 hours reading up on Arpaio

[dano8801]

I've heard him praised on here a lot, and from what I heard, he had a great stance on crime. The pink underwear, chain gangs, and other similar oddities seemed like a great way to make prisoners remember that they committed a crime.

Then I read about how many already sick or disabled have been denied medical treatment, were obviously abused, and died in very questionable circumstances.

There's a long list of great idea's this man has. There's an equally long list of terrible and inhumane treatment of his prisoners. Yes, I know Glocktalk will whine and complain about how these criminals have no rights because they're criminals. But unfortunately, just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it so.

I'm sorry, but this guy needs to be fired.

[Daryl in Az]

I'm sorry, but this guy needs to be fired.


No, this guy needs to run for Az governor, and then maybe POTUS.

Daryl

[Hucklebarry]

Linky linky to bad stuff?

[ClydeG19]

You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs...

[PeterJasonMN]

I get annoyed by some of the media-whoring, but then again, if you want your ideas out there, you have to be a whore. I'd gladly take him over our sheriff.

[Arquebus12]

I remember once making the comment that I'm familiar with the name of the jailer of Maricopa County, Arizona, and marvelled that this was such.

Someone (a local) explained that Sheriff Joe is very flamboyent, like Patton, and doesn't shy from publicity, thus the commonality of his name and station. To that end, he's going to attract attention and either draw a following or a core of derisive types. Believe me, he's a politician, and he knows it. If someone calls for his resignation, he's just as pleased to hear that as he is to hear that he made the news again.

I'm of the mind that he's a flamboyent jailer in Arizona, and not much more than that.

[12131]

Linky linky to bad stuff?
Yup. When people claim all these things without evidence to back it up, it's meaningless.

[dano8801]

No, this guy needs to run for Az governor, and then maybe POTUS.

Daryl

So strapping a paraplegic down to the restraint chair so violently that you break his neck and turn him into a quadriplegic is fair game?

Or killing a diabetic by refusing her insulin for two days?

Or arresting a US citizen and holding him for days because he looked mexican and had an accent?

These are all acceptable?

[JellyBelly]

You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs...

The people in his jail are not eggs.

You aren't supposed to break em'.

[dano8801]

Yup. When people claim all these things without evidence to back it up, it's meaningless.

This is hardly without evidence. All these claims are real, and for the most part admitted to be true by the sheriff himself.

http://www.arpaio.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Controversy_and_criticism

[wprebeck]

So strapping a paraplegic down to the restraint chair so violently that you break his neck and turn him into a quadriplegic is fair game?

Or killing a diabetic by refusing her insulin for two days?

Or arresting a US citizen and holding him for days because he looked mexican and had an accent?

These are all acceptable?

First off, I want proof of these accusations.

Second, I call a very large BULL@#$%!


Working in a jail that is significantly smaller than his, but still has 40,000+ inmates come thru in a year, I know for a FACT that the above would be national news. Especially coming from such a high profile, nationally known figure as Arpaio.

Accusations aren't proof, by the way. I want actual links to the investigations that proved that the jail was negligent and violated the civil rights of these rights.

BTW, I've "heard" enough stories of how Arpaio treats his jail deputies vs the road deputies to not care for him so much. I DO like how he seems to run his jail, security wise, but I've been in contact with a couple of folks over the years who worked for him, or in that area. Of course, I don't actually work for him, so take that with a grain of salt. One fact on my side, though, is that his detention deputies are not fully sworn. I take issue with that, as it tends to create quite a bit of animosity amongst the deputies. It also seems to indicate that he doesn't feel that the people who live with the inmates, and keep his beloved jail running smoothly, are worthy enough to be on the same level as the road guys.

That's an attitude I've had to deal with for the last 8.5 years, and it generally disgusts me. I've got a news flash for everyone who may thing the same way: Inmates don't just start being good people because they're locked up. That's a whole different thread, so I'll get off my soapbox now...

But, I still call BS. The kind of stuff you posted would surely be national news, and would likely result in millions of dollars paid out in lawsuits. Oddly enough, I've seen nary a peep of this in Cop Talk, where we have folks who live out and work in/near Maricopa County.


Go figure.

[skeeter1959]

So strapping a paraplegic down to the restraint chair so violently that you break his neck and turn him into a quadriplegic is fair game?

Or killing a diabetic by refusing her insulin for two days?

Or arresting a US citizen and holding him for days because he looked mexican and had an accent?

These are all acceptable?

Dude

I think that I can safely say the good people of AZ don't really care what you think of Sheriff Joe. These people get sent to jail for a reason. Don't want to be a quad, then don't break the law. real simple to me.

This man has made jail what it should be, a hell-hole, and a hot one at that. Maybe your friends at the ACLU will be more receptive. :dunno:

[12131]

First off, I want proof of these accusations.

Second, I call a very large BULL@#$%!


Working in a jail that is significantly smaller than his, but still has 40,000+ inmates come thru in a year, I know for a FACT that the above would be national news. Especially coming from such a high profile, nationally known figure as Arpaio.

Accusations aren't proof, by the way. I want actual links to the investigations that proved that the jail was negligent and violated the civil rights of these rights.

BTW, I've "heard" enough stories of how Arpaio treats his jail deputies vs the road deputies to not care for him so much. I DO like how he seems to run his jail, security wise, but I've been in contact with a couple of folks over the years who worked for him, or in that area. Of course, I don't actually work for him, so take that with a grain of salt. One fact on my side, though, is that his detention deputies are not fully sworn. I take issue with that, as it tends to create quite a bit of animosity amongst the deputies. It also seems to indicate that he doesn't feel that the people who live with the inmates, and keep his beloved jail running smoothly, are worthy enough to be on the same level as the road guys.

That's an attitude I've had to deal with for the last 8.5 years, and it generally disgusts me. I've got a news flash for everyone who may thing the same way: Inmates don't just start being good people because they're locked up. That's a whole different thread, so I'll get off my soapbox now...

But, I still call BS. The kind of stuff you posted would surely be national news, and would likely result in millions of dollars paid out in lawsuits. Oddly enough, I've seen nary a peep of this in Cop Talk, where we have folks who live out and work in/near Maricopa County.


Go figure.
Exactly!

[slewfoot]

With all of the attention on this guy, if there was a case against him, they would have something a little more substantial than rumor.

I don't know the guy. I have worked with hard nosed bosses, and they generally are hard on their employees also.

If he was mistreating prisoners, I would expect a disgruntled employee would have come forward.

[wprebeck]

Your using a wiki page for proof?

Come on....try finding actual verdicts for us, if you're gonna make such claims. Wiki is crap....and, what's more, is I saw nothing while scanning the items to indicate that Arpaio admitted blame in any case.

The restraint chair made me giggle, though. Sounds all bad to those who never seen it/used it. But, it's for the prisoner's safety. We use them here on a regular basis for inmates who don't play well with others. And yeah, they have to be forcefully placed in it...duh. If they were compliant little thugs, we wouldn't NEED the chair, would we?

Spit hoods are for OUR safety....see, inmates do the damndest things. For instance, there have been incidents where inmates have HIV or Hepatitis (pick your variant) and liked to spit on officers. They really like to bite their own tongues or lips to get blood flowing, and then spit on us.

But hey, in YOUR expert opinion, we shouldn't forcefully restrain them right?

I just love it when people talk smack about things they have no experience in...kinda like use of force, and especially use of force inside a jail or prison.

Then, you've got the Amnesty International investigation...yeah, like they're not biased about Taser use or anything. And, who the hell are they to "investigate" anything? They have no jurisdiction, no authority, no nothing. Matter of fact, they "know nothing", too.

Again, give us some facts..

[Longtooths]

It's on wikipedia, it must be true!

[TheeBadOne]

Gee, if the experience of staying in a jail is a negative one, perhaps the "guest" won't want to do something to repeat a visit... :tbo:

[dano8801]

You can throw who ever you want into the chair with a spit hood, I don't care. And I don't remember claiming that a spithood was a nasty and evil thing.

But I find it hard to believe that a guy with a severe physical handicap really put up enough fight that they needed to break his neck in the process.

[TheeBadOne]

You can throw who ever you want into the chair with a spit hood, I don't care. And I don't remember claiming that a spithood was a nasty and evil thing.

But I find it hard to believe that a guy with a severe physical handicap really put up enough fight that they needed to break his neck in the process.That's probably because you lack practical real world first hand experience.
Lots of folks do.

TBO

[dano8801]

Did I link to only wiki?

I don't give half a **** if he's hard on prisoners and their stay is unpleasant. But I have a problem with numerous suspicious deaths.

Alright, I admit that it probably isn't all based in fact. But I'm willing to bet you won't admit that there's gotta be something going on that isn't totally on the up and up.

[dano8801]

Gee, if the experience of staying in a jail is a negative one, perhaps the "guest" won't want to do something to repeat a visit... :tbo:

Oh and for the record, his stats with returning guests aren't any better than his predecessor.

But I'm sure that silly little things like that don't matter.

[12131]

Again, speculations. Meaningless. Go find proof, then call Amnesty International.

[Longtooths]

Wow man pick a jail, any jail and then research it. I bet you find the same if not more type of wrong doing accusations.

[dano8801]

Sorry I said anything. He must be doing a perfect job and these countless accusations are all total and complete lies. Glocktalk has reached a verdict.:upeyes:

Although if he was a total liberal and suspected of doing prisoners favors and running drugs, GT would hang him on speculation alone. Whatever furthers your cause right?

[PeterJasonMN]

That's probably because you lack practical real world first hand experience.
Lots of folks do.

TBO


3 Letters:

TBI


Nothing says "fun" like being in a slobberknocker with someone who doesn't feel pain.

[El_Ron1]

I'm sorry, but this guy needs to be fired.

The ACLU, Amnesty International and other pink eyed drooling Democrats have been saying that for years.

[Ballistic40]

Sorry I said anything. He must be doing a perfect job and these countless accusations are all total and complete lies. Glocktalk has reached a verdict.:upeyes:

For this is GT, where law enforcement can do no wrong.

[PeterJasonMN]

For this is GT, where law enforcement can do no wrong.


Are we getting some THR/DU/Cop Watch crossover going on this last week or so?


Not a cop here. And I can't even begin to count how many threads on dirty cops where the first people to say "good riddance" are cops.

[AZ Jeff]

I've heard him praised on here a lot, and from what I heard, he had a great stance on crime. The pink underwear, chain gangs, and other similar oddities seemed like a great way to make prisoners remember that they committed a crime.

Then I read about how many already sick or disabled have been denied medical treatment, were obviously abused, and died in very questionable circumstances.

There's a long list of great idea's this man has. There's an equally long list of terrible and inhumane treatment of his prisoners. Yes, I know Glocktalk will whine and complain about how these criminals have no rights because they're criminals. But unfortunately, just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it so.

I'm sorry, but this guy needs to be fired.

What's interesting about all the complaints against Sheriff Joe Arpaio is the following:

If ANY of these claims are TRUE, then filing (and WINNING) civit suits against the Sheriff and the Maricopa Co. Sheriff's Office should be a no-brainer. The fact is that VERY FEW suits against the MCSO wind up in favor of the plaintiffs. As much as some of the "activists" whine, Arpaio plays pretty much by the book, and hasn't been found to be violating rights willy-nilly.

Arpaio is currently catching a lot of criticism from "community activists" (Leftist do-gooders) for doing "sweeps" in certain neighborhoods to round up illegal aliens. The odd thing is--he keeps FINDING bunches of illegals, the taxpayers support his actions by a WIDE majority, and thus far, NOBODY has been able to find him guilty of an civil rights violations.

Are these actions a bit of grandstanding? Maybe, but it's within the law and since the Sheriff is sworn to uphold the law, he is right to do so. If the activists want him to STOP, then they need the law CHANGED. Arpaio has, in so many words, told them EXACTLY this. Of course, the activists won't attempt to do this, because they KNOW that their opinions are unpopular with AZ voters, and the laws against illegals are NOT unconstitutional.

[12131]

Sorry I said anything. He must be doing a perfect job and these countless accusations are all total and complete lies. Glocktalk has reached a verdict.....:upeyes:
Who said he was doing a perfect job?
Just gotta love it. You came on here with the accusations, and when asked for proof, can't come up with any, then start pouting.
http://photobucket.com/albums/y281/qavsiv/Funnies//sosad.gif

[Retseh]

Arpaio is really an arrogant ass, and yes, I live in his state.

While I applaud his stand against illegal immigration, his personal behavior and the way he wastes taxpayer money is disgusting.

What am I talking about? Well, he has a serious beef with the media. Any media outlet who writes bad things about him is instantly denied access to public records, or they are forced to go through delaying tactics that other media chains are not subject to.

So of course they sue the state, and to date have won every single case - and yes, he has done this several times.

Even when the lower courts have referred to Arpaio as "petty" and "vindictive" in their rulings against him, it has not stopped him taking each case to a higher court (where he has lost again) and then attempting to go to a further appeals process even when each court has clearly stated that what he is doing is blatantly against the law.

All this has cost the taxpayers hundreds of thousands in legal fees.

The guy is a cancer on the state of Arizona, but his headlining tactics on prisoner treatment and immigration keep him in office.

His attitude is probably the closest thing to Naziism that we have seen in quite a while.

[Dalton Wayne]

I saw a show on him the other day where his dept set up this young kid to make a hit on Joe, it was a total set up and the kid was found not guilty it was made clear to the kid you follow through with this or else you or your family will pay, the jury found it to be a setup and gave the not guilty verdict and Joe would not comment first time I ever seen Joe speechless

[fnfalman]

I saw a show on him the other day where his dept set up this young kid to make a hit on Joe, it was a total set up and the kid was found not guilty it was made clear to the kid you follow through with this or else you or your family will pay, the jury found it to be a setup and gave the not guilty verdict and Joe would not comment first time I ever seen Joe speechless

So, let me get it straight...Sheriff Joe's people tried to coerce somebody to assassinate him in a setup? Was this kid under some sort of suspicion that they can't pin on him and therefore tried to set him up as an assassin?

[skeeter1959]

If AZ doesn't want Sheriff Joe, we'd love to have him here in Texas. Put him in Laredo and turn him loose.:wavey:

I love that pic of the mule-lipped kid. :rofl:

[elsolo]

Oh and for the record, his stats with returning guests aren't any better than his predecessor.

But I'm sure that silly little things like that don't matter.

Lots of people have a wish for punitive action against criminals.
How many jokes have you heard about prisoners getting raped and they deserve it?

I figured jail was for keeping the scum off the streets, not a place to torture people because they broke the law. (death penalty is not torture, IMHO)

[El_Ron1]

What am I talking about? Well, he has a serious beef with the media. Any media outlet who writes bad things about him is instantly denied access to public records, or they are forced to go through delaying tactics that other media chains are not subject to.

And Lord knows, we got great media here.

:rofl:

[REDDAWN]

I've heard him praised on here a lot, and from what I heard, he had a great stance on crime. The pink underwear, chain gangs, and other similar oddities seemed like a great way to make prisoners remember that they committed a crime.

Then I read about how many already sick or disabled have been denied medical treatment, were obviously abused, and died in very questionable circumstances.

There's a long list of great idea's this man has. There's an equally long list of terrible and inhumane treatment of his prisoners. Yes, I know Glocktalk will whine and complain about how these criminals have no rights because they're criminals. But unfortunately, just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it so.

I'm sorry, but this guy needs to be fired. LIBERAL AIN'T YA ????:steamed:

[Sam Spade]

Joe is a media whore who believes his own advertising. Some of his political tricks are better suited for Chicago than for AZ.

That said, the poster's "sources" are fertilizer, the accusations are well-suited for the National Enquirerererer, and the voter's (knowing all this) keep re-electing him.

I'm sure y'all got some issues closer to home that need some attention.

[Uncle Mark]

I lived in Phoenix for 25 years before moving to KY. I proudly voted for Sheriff Joe every time he ran. I continued to vote for him because he was the type of sheriff I wanted for Maricopa County. I applaud the man for all that he accomplished and saving the taxpayers money that wasn't spent on niceties for the inmates.

[Dalton Wayne]

So, let me get it straight...Sheriff Joe's people tried to coerce somebody to assassinate him in a setup? Was this kid under some sort of suspicion that they can't pin on him and therefore tried to set him up as an assassin?

He was in detention for making pipe bombs they asked him if he would be interested in making a pipe bomb for 4 grand he said sure when he said yes they told him you are now in the mob and you can't back out if you do harm will come to you and your family, Joe made a big production out of it had the local news on hand to film the take down, it was all a press show to make Joe look good.

Now don't get me wrong I am a big sheriff Joe fan wish more were like him but he stepped on his Johnson on this case and it bit him, the kid and his family have a large civil suite in the works, it really was a dirty deal the way it was handled

[wolfman97]

Are these actions a bit of grandstanding? Maybe, but it's within the law and since the Sheriff is sworn to uphold the law, he is right to do so. If the activists want him to STOP, then they need the law CHANGED. Arpaio has, in so many words, told them EXACTLY this. Of course, the activists won't attempt to do this, because they KNOW that their opinions are unpopular with AZ voters, and the laws against illegals are NOT unconstitutional.

uuuuuuh, yeah, I couldn't tell either. What could he do that might clear it up?

:rofl::rofl:

[DWP21]

If you don't like him don't vote for him. Its that simple.

Don't live in Maricopa county? Then why do you really give a damn?

[OrangeJoe]

If you don't like him don't vote for him. Its that simple.

Don't live in Maricopa county? Then why do you really give a damn?

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[dano8801]

If ANY of these claims are TRUE, then filing (and WINNING) civit suits against the Sheriff and the Maricopa Co. Sheriff's Office should be a no-brainer. The fact is that VERY FEW suits against the MCSO wind up in favor of the plaintiffs. As much as some of the "activists" whine, Arpaio plays pretty much by the book, and hasn't been found to be violating rights willy-nilly.

From what I've seen it looks like they've settled countless cases and paid out millions of dollars. In one case the judge ruled that Joe himself was responsible for paying 35% of the ruling out of his own pocket.

[Trigger_Rush]

From what I've seen it looks like they've settled countless cases and paid out millions of dollars. In one case the judge ruled that Joe himself was responsible for paying 35% of the ruling out of his own pocket.

Prove it. I don't care for rumors, what I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend, heresy, or outright lies. You've pointed out alot of problems with Ol' Joe yet the best you've had is a wikipedia article and a far from unbiased webpage on Joe Arpaio.

Frankly, he's kicking ass and taking names. Let him be a media whore. So what if he soaks it up? He's still getting the job done.

Sure, I don't agree with the vagrant spending of my tax money, but there are far worse people who get far less done. If he's gonna rock out with his... you know, then I say let him be until he really f's up.

But still get the spending toned down...

[dsgrntldPW]

Sheriff 'Joke', as he is known to many around here, does have many admirers and detracters. The taxpayers are on the hook so far for around $42 million (and rising) for the antics of he and his minions. He has made one particular attorney here very well off, as he has been quite successful against Joe. Joe and his office have been the subject of many suits, most of which have been dismissed or cleared. All jails/prisons have hundreds of frivilous lawsuits filed against them regularly by inmates who believe they have been wronged to the least degree. And why not; doing so is like taking a chance in the lottery-it don't cost nothing and you may win big. Arpiao does lose many more than average, and the judgements against him are often in the seven figures. But he doesn't care as the people in this county are footing the bill for their inhumane treatment of mostly pre-trial detainees, and he gets his mug in the paper again. The treatment and medical care provided in his jails are definitely substandard.

Arpiao is pretty much only a figurehead, I think he may be getting too senile to run his show. His chief deputy and a few others actually call the shots. He probably spends between $350-500K a year in taxpayer money for a full-time staff of public relations hacks, some of whom pretty much just scour national and worldwide media for stories on him. Others are washed-up news anchors and sworn LEO's who are probably more fit to issue parking tickets in Sun City. He keeps on hand a full time goon squad whose job is to follow, harass and dig up dirt (using taxpayer money and LEO resources) on people who publically disagree with him; doing this in the guise of "protecting" the sheriff from threats that were never there, at least until they made them up.

One interesting anecdote about Arpiao and his people. In the last primary election they dug up the stepmother , a known pathological liar and vindictive SOB, of his opponent who stated that over 20 years ago the opponent (who was around 17 and she around 30) had raped her. Arpiao immediately sent out people on this and came back with nothing. Instead of dropping the accusation his people put spin on it and gave this bogus accusation to a TV news reporter who was a big fan/contributor to Arpiao. This reporter jumped on this 'exclusive' and ambushed the opponent about the incident on video about a month before the primary, no time to dispute the allegations before the vote. Eventually no jurisdiction would touch the case and the reporter was fired, but the damage had already been done, which was what Arpiao wanted. This is how his office deals with those that stand up to him; they cannot defend their actions with facts, so they smear caca on their opponents.

As one who feels that illegal immigrant should be used in the same sentence as target practice, I say Arpiao must not be reelected to another term. Joe must go.

[bbvk05]

I would like Joe more if he just did the things that he does and stopped running his mouth all the time. Media whoring is not okay with me.

I am surprised nobody has mentioned "tent city" yet. Putting a bunch of prisoners in korean war tents with no AC is the phoenix heat? I love it.

[kenpoprofessor]

Well, I live in Maricopa County, and I love living here because of Sheriff Joe. Yep, he's done some not so savory things, and I know some of his officers or Jailers aren't fond of him (they should get another job if they're unhappy), but I'll vote for him every election. He represents my interests, and as a taxpayer in this county, I'm getting my money's worth.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[Animal Mother]

I live in Maricopa county too, and Arpaio is an embarassment who spends more time causing conflict with cities and other police forces than he does in actually performing the duties of his office. This in addition to the massive payouts as a result of lawsuits and the associated increase in costs of insurance for the county to defend itself due to the actions of the Sheriff's office.

[TheeBadOne]

The Sheriff is an elected official.

[G36's Rule]

The Sheriff is an elected official.

So was Clinton, Carter, Nixon...

What is your point???

[TheeBadOne]

There is a process to remove unpopular elected officials

[Retseh]

There is a process to remove unpopular elected officials

There's a process to remove body odor, but people still stink.

[TheeBadOne]

There's a process to remove body odor, but people still stink.
That has zero bearing on the topic of removal of an elected official.
If you are unequipped for mature exchange of ideas, there's always crayons and paper.

[Sam Spade]

There is a process to remove unpopular elected officials

Actually, two processes in AZ. Voters can run a recall campaign.

[G36's Rule]

There is a process to remove unpopular elected officials

Yes, but so what...

You seem to believe that because someone was an elected offical that it holds some importance.

I disagree with that premise, but then may be mis-understanding what your premise is.

[AZ DBLTRBL]

The Sheriff is an elected official.

I live in Maricopa county too. Sheriff Joe is very popular with the voters. He's not so popular with our police force. Most of them would like to see him replaced. Unfortunately, the majority of voters love him and support his tactics. I'm not a cop, so I have no problem with his antics. It makes me a bit happy that he makes life hell for those here that break the law. Every time I see the chain gang on the side of the road.....I have to smile.

[TheeBadOne]

Yes, but so what...

You seem to believe that because someone was an elected offical that it holds some importance.

I disagree with that premise, but then may be mis-understanding what your premise is.
My point is that if someone is unhappy with an elected official they do have recourse (besides just complaining).

TBO

[dsgrntldPW]

There is a process to remove unpopular elected officials

Yes, but unfortunately he does appeal to the dead, near dead and not dead enough who inhabit the 'Sun'-towns (Cities & Lakes), who most certainly will vote in the elections. Those, along with a few others in this apethetic county, will probably reelect him; as the ones who cry the loudest against him will stay home from the polls as usual. Sad. While I agree with him on his illegal immigration enforcement, he and his minions carry too much baggage, cost us too much money in civil judgements and insurance premiums and are too unprofessional in their actions to warrant reelection.

[Animal Mother]

Prove it. I don't care for rumors, what I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend, heresy, or outright lies. You've pointed out alot of problems with Ol' Joe yet the best you've had is a wikipedia article and a far from unbiased webpage on Joe Arpaio. Charles Agster (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/61786)
Jeremy Flanders (http://www.cofad1.state.az.us/opinionfiles/cv/cv010239.pdf)
Scott Norberg (http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1999-01-14/news/the-8-million-victim/)
Frankly, he's kicking ass and taking names. Let him be a media whore. So what if he soaks it up? He's still getting the job done. If that were the case, he might be worth the headaches. Unfortunately, there's no evidence that his tactics reduce crime in general in the areas his agency is responsible for enforcement or reduces recidivism rates of those incarcerated in county jails.
Sure, I don't agree with the vagrant spending of my tax money, but there are far worse people who get far less done. If he's gonna rock out with his... you know, then I say let him be until he really f's up. What exactly would qualify as really f'ing up, if not losing multiple lawsuits and being unable to work with other law enforcement agencies in the area?

[kenpoprofessor]

I don't think it's the Police who have a problem with Joe, it's the Chiefs. The chiefs are appointed, the Sheriff is elected, and he is the CLEO for Maricopa county, so he trumps the Chiefs and they're not happy about it.

Most of the Chiefs in the cities surrounding Phoenix are pro ILLEGAL immigrant, while the officers simply want to enforce the law they've been entrusted to do. Harris and Gascon are the most vocal about Joe's intrusions in their cities, simply because they refuese to do anything about the problem.


And there is a recall initiative for Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, I hope it passes muster with all the signatures because I signed it.


Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

[Animal Mother]

I don't think it's the Police who have a problem with Joe, it's the Chiefs. The chiefs are appointed, the Sheriff is elected, and he is the CLEO for Maricopa county, so he trumps the Chiefs and they're not happy about it. He hardly trumps the chief, in either authority or professionalism. When Arpaio's actions put the citizenry at risk, actual law enforcement officers have every right to oppose him. As for whether the rank and file have a problem with Arpaio, look at the list of those endorsing his opponent in the election. (http://www.sabanforsheriff.com/2008/endorsements.html)
Most of the Chiefs in the cities surrounding Phoenix are pro ILLEGAL immigrant, while the officers simply want to enforce the law they've been entrusted to do. Harris and Gascon are the most vocal about Joe's intrusions in their cities, simply because they refuese to do anything about the problem. Or maybe they think peace officers should be addressing actual crimes rather than harassing random people based on their appearance and picking political fights on the taxpayer's dime. There's no reason to expect Arpaio's immigration sweeps will turn out any more successful than his prostitution sting a few years ago.
And there is a recall initiative for Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon, I hope it passes muster with all the signatures because I signed it. It already failed. (http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2008/08/30/20080830recallfolo0830.html)

[Dalton Wayne]

So, let me get it straight...Sheriff Joe's people tried to coerce somebody to assassinate him in a setup? Was this kid under some sort of suspicion that they can't pin on him and therefore tried to set him up as an assassin?

Here is the case I was talking about

James Saville murder conspiracy charges
James Saville was arrested in July 1999 for allegedly conspiring to murder Joe Arpaio with a pipe bomb. Saville had just completed an 18-month sentence for arson for attempting to blow up his high school by filling it with gas from 37 opened bunsen burners (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunsen_burner). While in prison, Saville had drawn crude bomb plans and expressed to a jailhouse snitch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informant) the desire to kill the prosecutor and judge in his arson case. He was arrested the day after his release while assembling a bomb in the presence of an undercover sheriff's officer. A jury decided that undercover officers from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office had entrapped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment) Saville by turning his assassination plans toward Sheriff Arpaio, and found Saville not guilty.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#cite_note-44)

The show I watched went into a lot more detail, it was a clear cut case of entrapment cut and dry