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Skyhook
08-29-2008, 14:04
... and, what is the true meaning of "common sense"?
http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=1003

In Historic Speech, Senator Obama Addresses Common Sense Restrictions On Assault Weapons

For Immediate Release:
08-29-2008

Contact Communications:
(202) 898-0792

Washington, D.C. – The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence praised Senator Barack Obama for highlighting the need for common sense gun laws in his speech accepting the Democratic nomination, specifically addressing easy access to assault weapons:

“I was fortunate to be in Mile-High Stadium last night to watch and listen to Sen. Obama’s historic speech as he accepted the Democratic nomination for President of the United States,” said Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

“It was very significant that Sen. Obama directly addressed the gun violence issue in our country. He decided to strike a balance between rights and responsibilities, and showed how we can have common sense gun laws in America to protect our families and communities,” Helmke said.

As Senator Obama said,

The reality of gun ownership may be different for hunters in rural Ohio than they are for those plagued by gang violence in Cleveland, but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals.

Brady President Paul Helmke continued, “Since the Supreme Court issued its opinion on the meaning of the Second Amendment, the debate over gun laws in America has moved to the middle ground. Now, common sense gun laws that save lives and protect police can be debated on their merits.

“America wants sensible restrictions on the easy access to dangerous weapons, and Sen. Obama clearly recognized that last night,” Helmke said.

To see Presidential candidates' records and quotes on the gun issue, go to: http://www.bradycampaign.org/elections/2008president.php.

Longtooths
08-29-2008, 14:07
I am sure by reasonable he means, we (meaning him and his security detail) are the only ones that need them and everyone else does not.

If he gets elected, start digging a hole get a water tight case made out of PVC and an arse-load of cosmoline and bury your guns.

slewfoot
08-29-2008, 14:13
I just had my gun safe open. I did not see any violent guns in there.

What I did see was guns that could be used by violent criminals, if they got their hands on them.

My guns are already locked up. Why don't we try that tactic with violent criminals too?

Highspeedlane
08-29-2008, 14:33
Only in the minds of totalitarian, nanny state advocates. Much the same can be applied to redundant phrases such as "hate crimes", which serve only to reinforce certain state mandated agendas.

Skyhook
08-29-2008, 14:48
A good friend just sent this to me!:wow:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&pr=goog-sl

akgunnut
08-29-2008, 14:50
I've never heard of any gun acting violent on its own. I honestly don't know where the liberal media and politicians get the idea that guns are somehow "violent."

JasonC8301
08-29-2008, 14:52
Take all my guns away and do one of the following 2 things.

1. Take away your Secret Service detail

or

2. Give me a Secret Service detail that is the same as yours (Obama.)

gemo
08-29-2008, 14:59
How come some don't understand the point of the second amendment?
I thought it was to fight the government when it was time for revolution.
I could have sworn that what I learned in school, the whole revolutionary war that that happened, and the reason why paul revere had to take that midnight ride to stop certin red coats from seizing a powder depot.

What happened to the ideals of early America?! I guess 200+ years dilutes what I would call common sense.

Hailstorm
08-29-2008, 15:17
I have a AR-15 and a AK-47 loaded and in the same closet. They have been leaning in there for a long time. I have yet seen any action from one firearm to the other. I think they like each other. Maybe ones a male and female. Maybe, they will mate and one day have a AR-15 that will never jam. :supergrin:

Of course I kid around. My AR is a good gun. The only jam it had was my reloads fault. I crimped the case neck a tad to much:dunno:

FastDraw McGraw
08-29-2008, 15:38
Osamabama is pathetic

para40
08-29-2008, 18:07
I just had my gun safe open. I did not see any violent guns in there.

What I did see was guns that could be used by violent criminals, if they got their hands on them.

My guns are already locked up. Why don't we try that tactic with violent criminals too?

+1 Gun = inanimate object. Use as you see fit ( see: hammer, baseball bat, iron pan). :cool:

cjlandry
08-29-2008, 18:25
The answer to the original question is "no". Violent criminals exist, and they'll use whatever tools they can get their hands on. Lack of "easy access" will not stop them, nor will it slow them down.

The most important thing is that citizens are allowed to meet violent criminals with equal or greater force, just as LEO's are allowed.

The biggest violation of our Constitution happened when the government was given more firepower than the people. This was obviously not the intent of our Founding Fathers, who meant for the people to always hold the power over the government, with words and votes first, and when those failed, with firepower second.

The unintended consequence was that violent criminals ended up with more rights than ordinary private citizens (aka: the people).

A good friend just sent this to me!:wow:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675&pr=goog-sl

The only video that SHOULD be seen by every pro-2A citizen, that gets brought up regularly by long-time members who haven't seen it.

Search YouTube for Suzanna Hupp.

Meanwhile, here's a video of her speech from July 11th of this year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oux_W279_y4

(you can click on the right of the video when you're ready to watch parts 2 and 3)

Dr. Hupp is a true American Hero (Heroine?).

G36's Rule
08-29-2008, 19:20
...
As Senator Obama said'

...but don't tell me we can't uphold the Second Amendment while keeping AK-47s out of the hands of criminals.

What you want to do Senator, is keep law abiding honest people from having semi-automatic rifles with standard capacity mags...

You could care less about criminals.

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