Should Glock Offer Another Style Frame?

[MTPD]

Yes!!!

[killersrt]

I wonder what a 1911 would look like with a polymer frame....

[bryceban]

I like their frame and grip but for sales purpose I think it would make sense

[Babysinister]

In the last 30+ years I've shot every conceivable autoloader: from a S&W 39-2 (my first gun) to a BHP, a 70 Series Colt 1911, Sigs, H&Ks, etc. And several Glocks, of course. Of all these guns, the ones whose grip fit my hand better were the Colt 1911 and the Glcok G19 and G30. I guess I must be among the lucky ones, because I've just never understood all the talk about the Glock's "weird" grip angle. To quote Leonard Cohen: "When they said 'Repent, repent,' I wondered what they meant."

[Punkkin]

I prefer the 1911 grip angle, but I think they should do a carbine first.
:deadhorse:

[gary newport]

I wonder what a 1911 would look like with a polymer frame....

Probably a lot like this: http://www.wilsoncombat.com/p_kz45.asp

[INJoker]

They already do... Cheap knockoffs called "Springfield XDs" and "S&W M&Ps" are available, but not on par with Glock Perfection!

:)

[Thx-1138]

I wonder what a 1911 would look like with a polymer frame....

A lot like an XD(m)

[AustinTx]

Over the years I've owned about 10 Glocks. But now, all I have are two. I never have been able to get used to the "odd-ball" Glock grip angle and sold most of my Glocks because of it.

Wouldn't it be nice if Glock offered another frame choice? Keep the frame they now have, plus add a second frame style that is more like the 1911, Sig, XD, etc.?


Exactly what is this "odd-ball grip angle"?
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[Mhiett]

I dont want to sound like a sackrider, but the reason i own Glocks, and nothing else, is that i love how they fit me. Ive fired other weapons, primarily to compare to Glock before i purchased. Ive always gone back. They do what they do right and well.

[THEPOPE]

I started shooting with the Glock, so when I bought a 1911 style pistol, that was the one that felt odd, and I had to learn how to grip it....

The G-19 fit my hand like a glove....still does, when I wrap my fist around that pistol I get teary-eyed and emotional.....kinda like a "first timer..." all over again.

I am out :cool:

[smoke]

If they'd offer the 3rd gen frames without the FGs, but with the rail (2nd Gen with rail) it'd suit me fine. Need to make all the larger frames SF type too and no ambi crap.

[Seawolf_504]

They already do... Cheap knockoffs called "Springfield XDs" and "S&W M&Ps" are available, but not on par with Glock Perfection!

:)

Watched two Glocks and a 1911 jam at a competition last weekend. Only pistol there that didn't have an issue? XD45
Just sayin.lol

As far as improving the GLocks they could start with getting rid of plastic coated mags and reduce the overall area of the magwell and in turn reducing the overal grip width and length to accomodate med to small hands.
There are plenty of people like me who would love to carry a Glock but cant because of the grip size and angle.

[Get_Zwole]

i like the glock angle and dont think it should be changed at all.

[smoke]

Watched two Glocks and a 1911 jam at a competition last weekend. Only pistol there that didn't have an issue? XD45
Just sayin.lol

And did reloaded ammo play into this scenario?????

[Beware Owner]

I'd say something like this HK's grip would do wonders:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hk_45.jpg

[gary newport]

Watched two Glocks and a 1911 jam at a competition last weekend. Only pistol there that didn't have an issue? XD45
Just sayin.lol

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Watched one XD jam at a competition last Monday evening. The jam was so bad that the RO had to use considerable force and the edge of the bench to clear it! Just saying....

[AustinTx]

I can't believe you people want Glock to make all large frame 9mm & 40 into a "SF" frame. I don't believe you can do that. By having a polymer frame they don't have to be wide enough to accommodate grip panels, now. I guess you are asking for a single stack mag in each caliber. That's the only way you are going to make them any smaller. Are the sub-compact Glocks too large for you? If so, look for a different pistol.
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[Thx-1138]

I can't believe you people want Glock to make all large frame 9mm & 40 into a "SF" frame. I don't believe you can do that. By having a polymer frame they don't have to be wide enough to accommodate grip panels, now. I guess you are asking for a single stack mag in each caliber. That's the only way you are going to make them any smaller. Are the sub-compact Glocks too large for you? If so, look for a different pistol.
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Actually, the grips could be made thinner if they went with a metal mag instead of metal-lined polymer. That, plus a bit more stagger in the stack, could produce a slimline G26 that had 8+1 rounds and was as thin as the 36.

[J1923]

If they do make different frames that would be fine, but I'll stick with the oddball grip they have now. So far it is the fastest for me to get on the sights. It feels somewhat uncomfortable but it works for me. Every other gun (nearly all currently available) that I've tried I need to lift up the muzzle to find the front sight. The Glock front sight is always right where I want it.

[Kino74]

I'd like to see Glock make a frame with interchangeable backstraps like the S&W M&P and allow anyone to customize grip.

[jokon]

A true single stack 9+1 .45 acp? Interchangeble back strap, front slide serrations, with 9mm and .40 interchangeable barrels and appropriate mags that will fit the same gun.

[ab4ka]

I think the grip angle is part of what makes it a "Glock"...that's just the design. Now that I've gotten used to it, I have a harder time with other guns. I look at it like "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

[GMAN40]

I wonder what a 1911 would look like with a polymer frame....


Check out Wilson Combat's site. They have had one for awhile now.

[smoke]

I can't believe you people want Glock to make all large frame 9mm & 40 into a "SF" frame. I don't believe you can do that. By having a polymer frame they don't have to be wide enough to accommodate grip panels, now. I guess you are asking for a single stack mag in each caliber. That's the only way you are going to make them any smaller. Are the sub-compact Glocks too large for you? If so, look for a different pistol.
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Evidently, you do not understand the concept of the SF Frame. SF stands for Short Frame (ie front to back). There is no difference in the dims of the mag well or the mag. G21s can use G21SF mags. It's like having a grip "hump" reduction done.

[MTPD]

Exactly what is this "odd-ball grip angle"?
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Almost all other top-of-the-line combat pistols have grip angles very similar to the 1911. Glock doesn't. That's why those of us that shoot more than one brand have a problem with the Glock grip angle. In hip and point shooting Glocks shoot high for us. Off the target high.

[Staberinde]

One of the main reasons i find Glock so comfortable to shoot is the grip angle :cool:

[sigcalcatrant]

Almost all other top-of-the-line combat pistols have grip angles very similar to the 1911. Glock doesn't. That's why those of us that shoot more than one brand have a problem with the Glock grip angle. In hip and point shooting Glocks shoot high for us. Off the target high.In my opinion this grip angle thing is given far too much attention. I have SIG's, H&K's, 1911's and Glocks. Since I always use the sights I don't have a problem with the grip angle of any of them. Point shooting beyond 2 or 4 arms lengths is useless, and at that short of range it doesn't matter what the grip angle is, the point of impact shouldn't be much more than an inch.

[striker6126]

Am i the only person that does not have a problem shooting different style guns. I shoot just as well with glocks, 1911's, browning hp, sig , hk and even the dreaded sigma. The only type of hand gun i dont shoot very well are the subs that i can only grip with a couple of fingers and even then a bad guy would not want to be down range with it in my 2 1/2 fingers.

I can take any or all of my full size hand guns at 25yrds shoot 3 rounds with each at the same target and you could not tell which gun/caliber made what hole.

That being said i shoot my g21 better than any handgun i have ever shot.

[Beware Owner]

Am i the only person that does not have a problem shooting different style guns. I shoot just as well with glocks, 1911's, browning hp, sig , hk and even the dreaded sigma. The only type of hand gun i dont shoot very well are the subs that i can only grip with a couple of fingers and even then a bad guy would not want to be down range with it in my 2 1/2 fingers.

I can take any or all of my full size hand guns at 25yrds shoot 3 rounds with each at the same target and you could not tell which gun/caliber made what hole.

That being said i shoot my g21 better than any handgun i have ever shot.

Nope, I'll grab that sucker, aim, fire, fire, fire, fire.

[happyguy]

With all that wasted space behind the magazine well it is beyond me why they don't introduce a frame with interchangeable backstraps.

I can get used to the slightly different grip angle but the hump on the rear of my G23 is a slight problem and I'd rather not butcher the gun to fix it.

Regards,
Happyguy :)

[AustinTx]

Almost all other top-of-the-line combat pistols have grip angles very similar to the 1911. Glock doesn't. That's why those of us that shoot more than one brand have a problem with the Glock grip angle. In hip and point shooting Glocks shoot high for us. Off the target high.


I just now laid my G-31 on top of a Springfield 1911 and as near as I can tell they have the same grip angle. The Glock grip sticks out a little because the 1911 has a flat MSH. I don't like flat MSH on 1911's and the hump in the Glock frame takes it's place very well.

If these guns don't fit, why buy them?

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[travclem]

I'd say something like this HK's grip would do wonders:

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hk_45.jpg
that thing bears a striking resemblecne to a hi-point grip:tongueout:

[packin45]

Should Glock Offer Another Style Frame?

No.




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[Vague17]

Glock's grip angle works for me. I shoot Glocks better than other pistols, including the 1911. I see no need to go to inter-changeable backstrap either because such things are needless complications. I love the simplicity of the Glock. Please don't mess with it.

[striker6126]

As i stated in my above post i also shoot glocks better than other guns . I would like to see interchangable grips as an OPTION for shooters such as my wife and daughter . They both like and shoot glocks well however my wife likes the m&p because of the smaller grip but carries her glock well because it is a glock.

[BB815]

:wow: I love my G 19 duty gun and my G30SF but I think what Glock people are saying is that if Glock would make a SMALL & THIN single stack 9mm backup gun smaller than the G26, this would be a great thing and they would not be able to make them fast enough. Put me on the list NOW! ///END///

[WellArmedSheep]

Watched two Glocks and a 1911 jam at a competition last weekend. Only pistol there that didn't have an issue? XD45
Just sayin.lol

As far as improving the GLocks they could start with getting rid of plastic coated mags and reduce the overall area of the magwell and in turn reducing the overal grip width and length to accomodate med to small hands.
There are plenty of people like me who would love to carry a Glock but cant because of the grip size and angle.

Shoot enough competitions and you'll see guns from any and every manufacturer "jam".

[AustinTx]

:wow: I love my G 19 duty gun and my G30SF but I think what Glock people are saying is that if Glock would make a SMALL & THIN single stack 9mm backup gun smaller than the G26, this would be a great thing and they would not be able to make them fast enough. Put me on the list NOW! ///END///

I believe BB815 is on to something here.
In a nutshell, I believe this is what people have been trying to ask for. A simple single stack 9mm. Glock should be able to do that without messing up the pistols that they make now. I guess that there may be a market, in the US,
for a 6 shot 9mm.
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[jakemccoy]

Wouldn't it be nice if Glock offered another frame choice? Keep the frame they now have, plus add a second frame style that is more like the 1911, Sig, XD, etc.?

No, Glock should keep one frame forever. Go away.

[jakemccoy]

:wow: I love my G 19 duty gun and my G30SF but I think what Glock people are saying is that if Glock would make a SMALL & THIN single stack 9mm backup gun smaller than the G26, this would be a great thing and they would not be able to make them fast enough. Put me on the list NOW! ///END///

No, a single stack would suck because...

-Glock would slim the slide also, thereby compromising reliability.

-Glock would slim the mag and handle. People would shoot a powerful single stack for the first time. They'd realize that they actually hate the recoil of the thin handle slamming against the web of their hands.

-All the people that wanted a single frame would then say "Glock sucks" and then go play Socom 3.

-As a result, Glock would lose money.

[DonGlock26]

How about a SF grip option with no fingergrooves for most models?

[J.P.]

I think Glock should at least offer interchangeable front/backstraps.

As to the grip angle, although some find it awkward it actually has benefits because it creates a more stable shooting platform.

[smoke]

No, a single stack would suck because...

-Glock would slim the slide also, thereby compromising reliability.

-Glock would slim the mag and handle. People would shoot a powerful single stack for the first time. They'd realize that they actually hate the recoil of the thin handle slamming against the web of their hands.

-All the people that wanted a single frame would then say "Glock sucks" and then go play Socom 3.

-As a result, Glock would lose money.

Read between the lines - there's a large market out there for a GLOCK that's the same size as a Kahr PM9. It wouldn't distract at all from the conventional models.

[smoke]

How about a SF grip option with no fingergrooves for most models?

+1,000,000

[AustinTx]

How about a SF grip option with no fingergrooves for most models?

Please explain how you would take a G17 and turn it into a "SF grip option".
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[RAM_D]

I wonder what a 1911 would look like with a polymer frame....

http://www.charlesdaly.com/images/m5_govt_s.jpg

i had a chance to handle it... quit impressive actually... felt great in my hands ... double stack .45 ( 13 rds ) ... great trigger ... slide is tight and very smooth for polymer frame...

$ = quite reasonable

i might actually get one for myself

... fyi, i believe these are the same pistols that were distributed by kimber.

[AustinTx]

That Daly M-5 Government looks a lot like a H&K USP 45 ACP and same mag capacity.
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[jakemccoy]

Read between the lines - there's a large market out there for a GLOCK that's the same size as a Kahr PM9. It wouldn't distract at all from the conventional models.

I was reading between the lines. I first give Glock the benefit of the doubt and then read between the lines from there.

If a slim frame would be such an overwhelming money maker for Glock specifically, I have confidence that Glock would be open to exploring that market. After all, they are in the business of making money, and I have confidence that they have smart people on their executive board making solid decisions.

The fact is that there's no indication that Glock is exploring that market. I don't knock Glock because, again, I have confidence in their decision making. With that premise, I came to the conclusions that I posted above.

You're free to conclude that Glock doesn't know what they're doing and that you're in a better position to make decisions for them. That's where you and I would have to be committed to disagreeing.

Lastly, I have no desire for a single stack Glock.

[Big A]

The G-19 fit my hand like a glove....still does, when I wrap my fist around that pistol I get teary-eyed and emotional.....kinda like a "first timer..." all over again.

^Frickin sig worty line right there^ :rofl:

[smoke]

Please explain how you would take a G17 and turn it into a "SF grip option".
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A G17 frame with the SF hump reduction and no finger grooves.

[smoke]

I was reading between the lines. I first give Glock the benefit of the doubt and then read between the lines from there.

If a slim frame would be such an overwhelming money maker for Glock specifically, I have confidence that Glock would be open to exploring that market. After all, they are in the business of making money, and I have confidence that they have smart people on their executive board making solid decisions.

The fact is that there's no indication that Glock is exploring that market. I don't knock Glock because, again, I have confidence in their decision making. With that premise, I came to the conclusions that I posted above.

You're free to conclude that Glock doesn't know what they're doing and that you're in a better position to make decisions for them. That's where you and I would have to be committed to disagreeing.

Lastly, I have no desire for a single stack Glock.

GLOCK's problem (as far as we're concerned) is the majority of their business is LE, who have no say-so in what they carry and as a majority don't know much about guns to start with. Ammo capacity is a big selling point with LE. The majority of the public appear to be kool-aid drinkers, who think things like finger-grooves are the rage. That leaves a very small minority that would like to see something truely innovative come from GI, instead of just chopping-up the same old stuff.

[Ralph2]

I vote for purple frames. Or neon green. But I like weird colors. :rofl:

[AustinTx]

A G17 frame with the SF hump reduction and no finger grooves.


The hump is what makes it feel like a 1911, to me. I like it. If the finger groves were removed, I think the grip would need to be thicker. I think that the finger groves provide additional strength to the frame. Maybe so, maybe not. I don't guess I will ever believe that Glock has sold over 3 million pistols that don't fit anyone. I read somewhere that the Garand M1 had stock dimensions for an average US man. Since there is no such thing as an average man, the M1 didn't fit anyone. Just something that I discovered at some time.
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