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4949shooter
08-29-2008, 18:42
http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20080828&Category=COMMUNITIES21&ArtNo=808280320&Ref=AR

JEFFERSON -- The owner of a Rottweiler that killed a black bear cub this week, two months after killing a neighborhood dog, is the subject of charges filed Wednesday by the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.


Teri Daubner, 38, who lives in the Lake Stockholm section of the township, was charged in township municipal court with improperly sheltering her dog and with indirectly causing the death of an animal.

Richard Yocum, a township councilman and a lieutenant with the SPCA's enforcement division, said an investigation into the Tuesday morning killing of the bear cub indicated that the 5-year-old Rottweiler, named Max, was not properly restrained.

"Because this has happened before, and because the owner knows this is an aggressive animal, she should have restrained him," Yocum said. "Allowing the dog to bolt free is not responsible."

Daubner said she was getting water for Max on Tuesday morning when he got out of an outdoor pen, then ran to the front of the house and attacked a bear cub that wandered onto Daubner's driveway. Max, who weighs 120 pounds, was able to get out even though the door to his pen had been locked with a chain, she said.

"He's pure muscle," she said. "He pushed the door open."

She said she had built a backyard pen for Max after he caused the death of a neighborhood dog two months ago. She said she paid more than $2,000 in fines after pleading guilty to charges the SPCA had filed in municipal court following that incident.

Told on Wednesday that the SPCA had once again filed charges against her, she limited her comments, saying she intended to contact an attorney about the matter.

"I hope they contact me if they're filing charges against me," she said of the SPCA. "Since when does the SPCA have jurisdiction over a wild animal?"

She has said her dog never left her property and that he was doing what dogs do, being protective of his owner.

Yocum said the SPCA wasn't planning to ask a municipal judge to take Max away from his owner but wanted Daubner to address issues surrounding her dog and to have Max trained. He said the SPCA plans to ask for a court order requiring Max to wear a muzzle whenever he is moved around the property.

Daubner has said Max wears a muzzle whenever she takes him for walks.

Daubner said on Tuesday that she feared municipal officials would deem her dog to be a danger and take actions against him. Yocum said he did not know whether the township planned independent action. The township's animal control officer and prosecutor did not return phone calls seeking comment Wednesday.

On Tuesday, Daubner described the killing of the bear cub, saying Max dragged it into the backyard while she tried to get him to let go. She said the mother bear showed up a couple of hours later and dragged the cub's body into the woods. Authorities said the cub weighed about 50 pounds and appeared to have been born this year.

Yocum said SPCA officials planned to look for the cub's body Wednesday.

Lt. Eric Wilsusen, a Jefferson police spokesman, said police contacted the DEP about the incident Tuesday and expected them to remove the cub's body. DEP spokeswoman Darlene Yuhas said police had been given permission to remove the cub.

Previous incidents
Wilsusen said Jefferson police previously investigated a report that Max attacked a neighborhood dog on July 3. In that incident, according to a police report, Max snapped a chain that had been restraining him, ran into the street and attacked an American Eskimo Dog being walked by its owner. The attack caused numerous lacerations and extensive bleeding, Wilsusen said, and the dog later died at an animal hospital.

SPCA authorities previously identified the dead dog as a Husky.

Neighbors told police at the time that Max had been an "ongoing problem," Wilsusen said. He added that police had no record of other reports being made about the Rottweiler.

However, on Tuesday, Christina Sherwood, a next-door neighbor, said she had called authorities to complain about incidents that occurred a couple of years ago. She said Max once nipped her on the behind and the dog, though on a leash, once came onto her property and intimidated her and her children by barking at them. Sherwood has since put up a fence.

Glock&KimberLady
08-29-2008, 19:23
Hmm, I was all set to feel for Max until I read that he snapped his chain and attacked another dog, killing it.

Dogs like that are considered a nuisance up here, and are generally dispatched with extreme prejudice because if they'll attack another dog, they might attack a person, or a kid, or someone's livestock.

If your dog is so big and burly that he's constantly snapping his chain, you need to either upgrade your choice of chain or rethink your choice of pet.

4949shooter
08-29-2008, 19:27
:agree: I really think the owner has some issues controlling her dog.

She will be lucky if the dog isn't ordered to be put down.

It's a shame.

Annoyedgrunt
08-29-2008, 19:28
Sounds like my kind of dog! I'd definitely sleep well at night knowing he was on guard.

*ASH*
08-29-2008, 19:30
wont find sympathy here at all. fine her more money for another so called accident and either take the animal or make sure owner builds suitable place to keep dog , saying the dog pushed the door open is bs and negligence . we have redneck idiots around here who think there dogs should run loose and bother people and after going to court and offering to sue said idiots, the ole remington 270 works wonders from my deck .



you know what is scarier then ignorant dumbass gun owners?? ....


ignorant dumbass pet owners .

jeager
08-29-2008, 19:30
Woman could not control her dog,
woman is responsible.

FLRon777
08-29-2008, 19:31
Just curious, as I am not really too familiar with bear behavior, but under the circumstances described in the article, would the mother bear be likely to return to the sight of her cub's demise, or would that sort of behavior be beyond what a bear is capable of?

*ASH*
08-29-2008, 19:35
Just curious, as I am not really too familiar with bear behavior, but under the circumstances described in the article, would the mother bear be likely to return to the sight of her cub's demise, or would that sort of behavior be beyond what a bear is capable of?

bears do retrace their routes, and mothers do the same with thier cubs .so to think momma bear is around the area is a good option. hopefully momma bear is looking for a little payback .

TylerDurden
08-29-2008, 19:39
Just curious, as I am not really too familiar with bear behavior, but under the circumstances described in the article, would the mother bear be likely to return to the sight of her cub's demise, or would that sort of behavior be beyond what a bear is capable of?

No, the cub probably got chased off by another bear and got lost in the (****ing stupid) dog owner's neighborhood.

The mama bear found his carcass and dragged it into the woods, no reason for her to go back. That's the interesting part - and further demonstrates how protective they are of their cubs.

Rotn1
08-29-2008, 19:59
Large powerful dogs, of which the Rottweiler certainly qualifies must be properly socialized and trained. There are very few dogs who after socializing and training do not make great neighbors and community friends.

This is entirely the owners fault. Too bad.

FLRon777
08-29-2008, 20:08
This might sound dumb, so please excuse my ignorance, but do bears have the capacity for vengence or anger, particularly after a period of time beyond the immediate time frame?

4949shooter
08-29-2008, 20:12
This might sound dumb, so please excuse my ignorance, but do bears have the capacity for vengence or anger, particularly after a period of time beyond the immediate time frame?
I don't know but it is an interesting question. The mama bear obviously had enough emotion to drag off her dead young.

TylerDurden
08-29-2008, 20:13
This might sound dumb, so please excuse my ignorance, but do bears have the capacity for vengence or anger, particularly after a period of time beyond the immediate time frame?

I was wondering if that was what you were getting at - doesn't sound dumb, animals are capable of a lot of things.

I've spent a fair amount of time around bears, and I haven't witnessed or heard of such... with the exception of polar bears. Bears can get "angry" (and as I stated earlier - have a strong attachment to their young), but the polar bear is the only one I can imagine somewhat capable of / prone to, what you describe.

NYC Drew
08-29-2008, 20:14
This might sound dumb, so please excuse my ignorance, but do bears have the capacity for vengence or anger, particularly after a period of time beyond the immediate time frame?


Nah.

They simply grin and bear it.


:whistling:
'Drew

FLRon777
08-29-2008, 20:22
I have read accounts where bears get shot at and they go on the attack, so that makes me think aggression because of a territorial encroachment or some sort of a genuine anger.

Dogs and cats can display anger directed at a particular individual, so other animals of reasonably similar intellect seems possible. I wonder what sort of memory capacity they are capable of.

I don't know why, but the notion of a very pissed off mother bear looking for something threatening in that general area does seem interesting.

FLRon777
08-29-2008, 20:23
Nah.

They simply grin and bear it.


:whistling:
'Drew

Oh...GROAN!!! :supergrin:

FLRon777
08-29-2008, 20:25
TD, if you don't mind me asking, what brought you around the company of bears?

TylerDurden
08-29-2008, 20:34
TD, if you don't mind me asking, what brought you around the company of bears?

I've spent a lot of time in Northern B.C. and some in the Northwest Territories and Alaska.

My grandfather has been a fishing guide at Great Slave Lake up in the Northwest Territories of Canada for 20 years - a lot of bears up there.

The polar bear behavior I mentioned is strictly from reading though, I've never been fortunate enough to see one in the wild.

CaptCave
08-29-2008, 20:38
I have one rule about dogs

They won't bite me more than once, because they won't get the chance.

This dog should have been shot by the neighbor after it bit her.

Or at least after it attacked another dog that was on a leash.

My neighbor has two GSDs. We have a pretty good understanding. As long as they stay in her yard, no problem. But should they be in my yard and act aggressively towards me or mine, it'll have to be carried off my yard.

Everybody understands that up front, so there isn't a problem later

FLRon777
08-29-2008, 20:39
Sounds like some great experiences in some amazing country. Thanks for sharing.

If I get up that way, I would enjoy getting a view of the impressive Palin. :supergrin:

Reyn
08-29-2008, 20:42
She said the mother bear showed up a couple of hours later

Otherwise Max would have been toast.

TylerDurden
08-29-2008, 20:46
Sounds like some great experiences in some amazing country. Thanks for sharing.

If I get up that way, I would enjoy getting a view of the impressive Palin. :supergrin:

If you're a fisherman, or just someone who enjoys nature GSL is a paradise - take a float plane in: giant lake trout, the world's meanest pike and beautiful Arctic grayling in the river for fly fishing.

Plenty of wolves and bears to watch.

4949shooter
08-29-2008, 21:14
Otherwise Max would have been toast.
This what I was thinking. Max the Rotty took on a cub, but how 'bout mama bear?

4949shooter
08-29-2008, 21:17
Nah.

They simply grin and bear it.


:whistling:
'Drew
:rofl: :wavey:

NYC Drew
08-29-2008, 21:38
4949,

I actually had a sage enough post composed...but I could not pass the opportunity up to let the idiot in me out :cool:

The dog was out of control. I feel bad for cubbie bear, but better a bear than a baby. That would, in my opinion have been worse. Also telling that no one (in the story/NJ) seems to be too concerned about a bear in their midst.

'Drew

Berto
08-29-2008, 22:06
THe dog needs to be dealt with,though it IS hard to fault it for doing what it was apparently kept (and expected) to do.
Dogs that are aggressive to other dogs aren't necessarily going to attack people. It's not unusual, esp for unfixed dogs.

AZ DBLTRBL
08-29-2008, 22:16
Daubner has said Max wears a muzzle whenever she takes him for walks.

Sounds like a real gem.....

4949shooter
08-30-2008, 06:43
4949,

I actually had a sage enough post composed...but I could not pass the opportunity up to let the idiot in me out :cool:

The dog was out of control. I feel bad for cubbie bear, but better a bear than a baby. That would, in my opinion have been worse. Also telling that no one (in the story/NJ) seems to be too concerned about a bear in their midst.

'Drew

Bears are getting more and more common here again since they stopped the bear hunt. My Doberman treed an adolescent age bear last week. This was no mama bear though. My wife also had one walk up to the deck one morning when she was out there reading. The dog scared that one off also (probably the same bear). An acquaintance of mine came home from work one evening to find a bear in his garage.

The human/bear contacts are on the rise here.

stevelyn
08-30-2008, 09:25
Aggressive dogs such as this are the ones I'm waiting for an excuse to pop a cap on.

BManoftheyear
08-30-2008, 09:43
HEre we go again another case of a irresponsible dog owner.This **** makes me sick.People like this is why I cannot own a pit bull without all kinds of stuff needing done to the property and insurance on the dog.REDICULOUS

Lesh
08-30-2008, 09:46
My wifes grandfather used to say that dogs like that needed to have their tails cut off, right behind their head.

NYC Drew
08-30-2008, 10:14
Bears are getting more and more common here again since they stopped the bear hunt. My Doberman treed an adolescent age bear last week. This was no mama bear though. My wife also had one walk up to the deck one morning when she was out there reading. The dog scared that one off also (probably the same bear). An acquaintance of mine came home from work one evening to find a bear in his garage.

The human/bear contacts are on the rise here.


For some reason, I thought the hunt was reinstated.

We had a coyote sighting here a few months back.

The only excitement in my yard are

deer (can't touch em :tempted:), rabbits, a possum, a turtle, a couple of ducks, ...and a hawk of some sort has nested in the trees in back.

At my crash / BUG out pad up north, I have woken up to bear prints and bear poop at the edge of the yard...had to remind myself to make sure the 12ga was locked, loaded and secured with slugs.

What the excuse now for not culling the bear population? Are we (NJ) gonna wait for a couple of serious bear-man encounters? Do they think they can make a deal with the bears? Suspended sentences? Counseling? What?

'Drew

PeterJasonMN
08-30-2008, 10:30
Aggressive dogs such as this are the ones I'm waiting for an excuse to pop a cap on.


We had a (censored breed) attack and kill multiple dogs here in town last year. Every time the city would sit there and "oooh, don't do that again" to the owners. Finally I think enough people finally told the city councilors that if they didn't do something about the dog, the neighbors would.

It attacked and killed one more dog, and that was that for Fido

4949shooter
08-30-2008, 12:47
What the excuse now for not culling the bear population?
'Drew

The latest I heard is that the hunt was not properly authorized or sanctioned. I really believe it is more of a political battle than anything else.

Just on a side note, a year or two ago a very young and small bear cub was struck and killed on a highway near my home. The bear lay dead in the center median, and people were stopping and crying their eyes out over it. A dead bear cub is a big deal in these parts.

Rotn1
08-30-2008, 14:25
Aggressive dogs such as this are the ones I'm waiting for an excuse to pop a cap on.

You better be careful that the dogs loving owner doesn't return the favor. Someboby, may be looking for an excuse to "pop a cap" in an obnoxious / bully neighbor. Killing their dog would certainly be a good reason......... just saying. :whistling:

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