Metal Glock Frame and/or CNC Milling

[thePirho]

Anyone have a cnc map for a glock receiver? I think I would like to machine my own out of metal and drop in stock glock parts.

I know there is a glock frame for sale that is metal but I was think I could machine one from solid stock.

So anyone have a 3d map or a bunch 2d ones for the standard size glock receiver?

[sigcalcatrant]

Call the ATF first. If you don't you would be in BIG trouble.

[asu-g23]

+1 on contacting the ATF
the reciver is the only piece of the firearm even dissasembled is considered still a firearm

[Nagoya10]

A metal frame would destroy the advantages of a Glock. I would think it would be rather more recoil and would maybe damage the slide from whacking a solid frame instead of cushioned on a polymer one. Remember, the slide was designed for a soft hit, not metal to metal on recoil.

[TrooperBrian]

Call the ATF first. If you don't you would be in BIG trouble.
+2

I had a buddy who jumped through all the hoops and got a license to manufacture firearm receivers, he could crank out several 1911 receivers a day. It is in fact true that even the receiver by itself is considered a firearm. I would suggest making sure you get all the necessary clearances, THEN the permission of Glock prior to doing so. I hope this helps.

[saspic]

Okay, IANAL, but everything I have read says that if you manufacture the firearm for your own personal use, not only do you not need to get .gov involved, but the frame doesn't need to have a serial number.
There's a website somewhere about a guy who made his own AR from scratch.

[TrooperBrian]

Okay, IANAL, but everything I have read says that if you manufacture the firearm for your own personal use, not only do you not need to get .gov involved, but the frame doesn't need to have a serial number.
There's a website somewhere about a guy who made his own AR from scratch.
You anal?




I mean sure that may have been true...200 years ago...

[Brodeurman69]

Okay, IANAL, but everything I have read says that if you manufacture the firearm for your own personal use, not only do you not need to get .gov involved, but the frame doesn't need to have a serial number.
There's a website somewhere about a guy who made his own AR from scratch.

Hes right. It's the same reason why people can buy an 80% complete AK receiver and finish building it by themselves and not inform the ATF of anything.

BUT I would recommend getting intouch with GLOCK.

[sigcalcatrant]

Hes right. It's the same reason why people can buy an 80% complete AK receiver and finish building it by themselves and not inform the ATF of anything.
There's a website somewhere about a guy who made his own AR from scratch.

BUT I would recommend getting intouch with GLOCK. Okay, IANAL, but everything I have read says that if you manufacture the firearm for your own personal use, not only do you not need to get .gov involved, but the frame doesn't need to have a serial number. No need to contact Glock. The patents have run out. Contact the ATF anyway. We're talking about guns, not corn squeezins'.

[Atlas]

Even if the Glock patent were still in effect, why would you need to have any contact with them to make a single frame (or ten) for your own use?

[thePirho]

Yea I was just wondering about making a custom frame to fit my big hands. The only thing you that the atf cares about is the slide and barrel assemblies, from what I've heard at least. The AR15 only the receiver is stamped. The glock receiver is stamped to match the barrel and slide but I think thats more of a convience anyways. Also the patents don't really matter if I change it enough, metal, size and angle of the grip.

Considering I can take my reciever and put any large frame glock slide/barrel on it, I don't think its as much of a problem as makign the barrels/slides.

[Atlas]

I think you misunderstood my question...
Even of you were making an exact, precise copy of the Glock frame (and even if it were made from the same plastic material, or metal, or martian unobtainium for that matter) Glock's patent would be irrelevant.

Their patent protects them (or did protect them if it has expired) from someone making a copy to sell. You can make anything you want to make for your own use (assuming that what you make is legal to posses in the first place).





With regard to ATF restrictions, I believe that in the case of a Glock it's the frame that is legally a gun. They don't have any restrictions on the slide or barrel. Proof of this is that you can purchase a replacement slide or barrel with no federal forms, background-check, etc. The slide and barrel are legally considered to be gun parts only.


I do know that several years ago people were buying AR-15 lower receivers that were only about 80% completed (the final machining had not been done to the raw casting/forging) and doing the final finishing work themselves to make a working firearm.

Word was that this was legal per ATF regulations. I remember someone posting the ATF regs on some website (maybe Arfcom...)

As I understand the laws, you may legally make a firearm for your own use, but I'm not 100% certain of that. The resulting firearm would still have to comform to other ATF restrictions of course (semi-auto only unless you have the full-auto stamp, minimum barrel-length for long-guns, etc.).

[sigcalcatrant]

Yea I was just wondering about making a custom frame to fit my big hands. The only thing you that the atf cares about is the slide and barrel assemblies, from what I've heard at least. The AR15 only the receiver is stamped. The glock receiver is stamped to match the barrel and slide but I think thats more of a convience anyways. Also the patents don't really matter if I change it enough, metal, size and angle of the grip.

Considering I can take my reciever and put any large frame glock slide/barrel on it, I don't think its as much of a problem as makign the barrels/slides.That's totally backwards. The frame IS the gun. The barrel and slide are stamped to match the FRAME. The reciever(frame) is the only part that REQUIRES a serial number, the barrel and slide DO NOT require a serial number. This isn't discussable, IT'S A FACT!

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[Atlas]

Yea I was just wondering about making a custom frame to fit my big hands.

Holy sheep! You must have some huge hands if a G-21 is not large enough for you.
To me, every Glock except my G-36 feels far too large for comfort.
I can handle my G-17 and G-19 OK, but both feel too bulky to be a natural fit.

I'd be much happier with the G-36 if the front-to-rear length of the grip were about 1/4-inch less.

[thePirho]

Holy sheep! You must have some huge hands if a G-21 is not large enough for you.
To me, every Glock except my G-36 feels far too large for comfort.
I can handle my G-17 and G-19 OK, but both feel too bulky to be a natural fit.

I'd be much happier with the G-36 if the front-to-rear length of the grip were about 1/4-inch less.


I have a 17 with the hogue grip and it still feels just a bit to small.