Glock 36 vs Kimber ultra carry

[pw0314]

Glock 36 4.76 x 6.77 x 1.13 20.11oz 6+1 mag $550
Kimber Ultra carry 4.75 x 6.80 x 1.28 25.0 oz 7+1 mag $845

which would you conceal carry? why?
on another note, I have found a few Glock36 SFS online. what's the "SFS"?

[electrikhelfire]

I own a $1100 Kimber Ultra CDP II that is a POS jammomatic from day one. FTE every 200 rounds. Tweaked the extractor per Kimber and still wont work.

On the other hand Ive got 4 Glocks and none have ever failed in any form or fashion.

You decide which one you think I will recommend.

[DANGELO]

I own a little Kimber, and I own a G36. My Kimber was also pretty picky way back when, however after new 'guts' from Wilson, and some new mag's and the right ammo, the thing is 98% now.

My G36 has jammed maybe 100 times in 5000 rounds. Most my fault, some ammo, very few gun issues.

I would prefer the 1911 over the Glock if reliability was not an issue. The Glock is a tight ankle gun, however.

[hill billy]

I don't have a kimber so I should not comment but I have heard a lot of news about Kimber's jamming and 36's jamming. But I have had nary a problem with my 36 in thousands of rounds. The gun is awesome. I have never heard of the sfs thing. There is only one style of 36.

[Get_Zwole]

got a 36 coming this week cant wait. Kimber looks better but for carry i would take the glock any day.

[Sarge45]

Here's one I can speak from experience on. I own both. The Ultra Carry is a stainless model with alloy frame and of course the Glock I reference is the 36.

Kimber weighs 25.0 oz. and 8 rounds capacity
Glock 36 weighs 20.0 oz. and 7 rounds capacity

Side by side they both carry great. About the same size too. My opinion of which is the best carry gun ?

Let's weigh it with my most important carry considerations first. Those with an asterisk (*) I consider to be potentially life-critical elements.

*Reliability.............................Glock
*Mechanical Durability.............Glock
*Finish Durability....................Glock
*Ease of Maintenance..............Glock
Better Trigger.......................Kimber
Overall User Friendly.............Glock
Overall Aesthetics.................Kimber

These are what I consider important with the most critical at the top going down to least important. As you can see I think Glock has the better marks for the most important carry requirements. I think Glocks are much more forgiving as a concealed or open carry gun that is exposed to the elements, sweat, humidity and general lack of maintenance.

If I was facing the approach of a hurricane and needed a sidearm for the aftermath, my absolute first choice is going to be a Glock, PERIOD. The tight 1911's I have will ride backup.

This is just my opinion and others may qualify their choices with other criteria. Hope this helps. :wavey:

[Z28ricer]

I have:

G30
G27

aaaand ..

Kimber UCII NS/LG


The G30, I bought slightly used, i've never had it ftf or fte, with the exception of the one time I was forced to use it with a scherer 28 rd mag, which I wanted a refund on before even using it because I knew it was going to malf. I've put probably over 1000 rds through it myself, on top of whatever went through it previously.

The G27 i've put 300 or so through it, zero malfunctions.

The Kimber has about 400 rds through it, and i've had 3 ftf's, that being said, they suggest a 500 rd breakin period, and most do say some issues are to be expected during said period.

My neighbor recently got a G36, and after taking a look at it, it sure seems like the bullet in the mag in relation to the chamber, is more similar to the kimber, than my glocks, and it seems to have been "throated" to feed better, which i've been considering for my Kimber, however my G27 and G30 both have the round almost perfectly lined up with the chamber, so they dont really touch the ramp, whereas the 1911, and from what i saw the G36 have them a good deal lower, where the round has to hit the ramp and bounce up and into the chamber.

All of that aside, I carry the Kimber mostly now, mainly because I like the lasergrips on it, and it carry's like its nothing. Often I do have the G27 in an ankle holster just in case something happens with the Kimber.

[GMAN40]

Here's one I can speak from experience on. I own both. The Ultra Carry is a stainless model with alloy frame and of course the Glock I reference is the 36.

Kimber weighs 25.0 oz. and 8 rounds capacity
Glock 36 weighs 20.0 oz. and 7 rounds capacity

Side by side they both carry great. About the same size too. My opinion of which is the best carry gun ?

Let's weigh it with my most important carry considerations first. Those with an asterisk (*) I consider to be potentially life-critical elements.

*Reliability.............................Glock
*Mechanical Durability.............Glock
*Finish Durability....................Glock
*Ease of Maintenance..............Glock
Better Trigger.......................Kimber
Overall User Friendly.............Glock
Overall Aesthetics.................Kimber

These are what I consider important with the most critical at the top going down to least important. As you can see I think Glock has the better marks for the most important carry requirements. I think Glocks are much more forgiving as a concealed or open carry gun that is exposed to the elements, sweat, humidity and general lack of maintenance.

If I was facing the approach of a hurricane and needed a sidearm for the aftermath, my absolute first choice is going to be a Glock, PERIOD. The tight 1911's I have will ride backup.

This is just my opinion and others may qualify their choices with other criteria. Hope this helps. :wavey:

Good post!

[coondog22554]

...because in hot humid sweaty weather my Glock has never rusted.

[9mmdude]

The Glock is the way to go.

[mrmedina]

Glock is a better bang for the buck.

Kimber UC is what you show your friends.
Glock 36 is what you show your enemies!!!

[cws357]

I have a Pro Carry II and several compact and one baby Glock. I bought the Pro Carry years ago thinking it would be a great carry piece as the 1911 is a fairly slim form factor to work with. I have never had any issues with my glocks jamming, the Kimber has been in solitary confinement in my safe due to its tendency to jam, even with Wilson 47D mags. For what it’s worth, go with the G36.

[bigboreguns]

I would go with the glock with out question. I have a Glock 30 and a 26. I have owned a G21, 20, 23 which I regret selling the 20 and 21. I also Own a Kimber Ultra Tactical II. Started out shooting realy good only had 1 malfunction in about 1000rds of ball ammo it would only feed hydra shok ammo reliably when it came to JHP ammo. It was my carry weapon Then it started jamming and jamming progressively more untill it would jam atleast half the time. I tried changeing the magizine did not help. It was an external extractor version. I sent it back to kimber 3 times same results work for a while then jam-o-matic. Finaly I told them I had enough and they need to fix it! They replaced everything on the gun except the frame and the slide was the internal extractor version. The gun works much better but is still finnikey when it comes to ammo. I fired about 150 rds of 230g remington Golden sabers with no problems then it jammed on me Gerr! the Glock 30 has a few thousand rounds through it of everythign I can find and I have only had one jam this was my fault not the guns. did it while hip shooting the slide actually hit my belt and did not allow a full cycle of the slide. My local gun dealer who has become a frend of mine suggested that I have the chamber loosend as he put it by a gunsmith. A few of his customers have had this done and are not having any problems anymore. I dont want to spend any more time or money on this gun right now so its a range shooter now.

[MTPD]

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[Resqu2]

While I don't have a G36, I do have a G27 and Kimber UC2 and Sarge hit the nail on the head in my opinion, nothing to add to his post.

Here's one I can speak from experience on. I own both. The Ultra Carry is a stainless model with alloy frame and of course the Glock I reference is the 36.

Kimber weighs 25.0 oz. and 8 rounds capacity
Glock 36 weighs 20.0 oz. and 7 rounds capacity

Side by side they both carry great. About the same size too. My opinion of which is the best carry gun ?

Let's weigh it with my most important carry considerations first. Those with an asterisk (*) I consider to be potentially life-critical elements.

*Reliability.............................Glock
*Mechanical Durability.............Glock
*Finish Durability....................Glock
*Ease of Maintenance..............Glock
Better Trigger.......................Kimber
Overall User Friendly.............Glock
Overall Aesthetics.................Kimber

These are what I consider important with the most critical at the top going down to least important. As you can see I think Glock has the better marks for the most important carry requirements. I think Glocks are much more forgiving as a concealed or open carry gun that is exposed to the elements, sweat, humidity and general lack of maintenance.

If I was facing the approach of a hurricane and needed a sidearm for the aftermath, my absolute first choice is going to be a Glock, PERIOD. The tight 1911's I have will ride backup.

This is just my opinion and others may qualify their choices with other criteria. Hope this helps. :wavey:

[Ahmid]

Don't have the G-36. Have a Kimber Custom CDP Ultra. It is one of the most reliable pistols I have.
Never one problem from day one.

[jcristG19]

Glock 36 4.76 x 6.77 x 1.13 20.11oz 6+1 mag $550
Kimber Ultra carry 4.75 x 6.80 x 1.28 25.0 oz 7+1 mag $845

which would you conceal carry? why?
on another note, I have found a few Glock36 SFS online. what's the "SFS"?

Just completed a 2Day training with a nationally renowned instructor. About 1000 rounds fired per student.
Student Guns as follows:
(5) G19
(1) Kimber UCII
(1) Re-issue 1911
(1) 1913 Original 1911
(1) S/W Something or other
(2) Beretta 90-Two or similar

- The original 1911 was a disaster. Our shooting drill swere interrupted CONSTANTLY until the instructor finally requested the student swap out to another pistol or accept a rental G19
- The Kimber FTE about 5 times, FTF at least once
- The Smith auto took about 4 additional commands by instructor to make holster safe. I was on the other end but the command to holster safe was always followed by special intruction to the Smith guy.
- The Berettas performed well, note given to the additional steps in sfae/decocking need to make holster safe AND MORE IMPORTANTLY make ready to fire.
- In addition to the FTE and FTF issues, the 1911's had safety deactivation issues when shooting with support hands, the Beretta guys had to click safeties on and off with control and support hands.
- The 1911 guys were CONTANTLY packing mags, Our drills were oftern interrupted by out of ammo calls.

The 2 1911 guys were my two buddies. They are so bent on those guns. I too have a Combat Commander that is fully modded, but no better than to bring it to a combat pistol school. ALL of the skeptics were made sure that Glock was the only way to go, even my two hardnose 1911 buddies.
Anyone reading this and/or arguing for their Kimbers did not witness what I did. Save the chatter about the 100 year old 1911, we all know it was old, the 2000 or later manufactured replica performed just slightly better (still terrible, double digit failures).
IMO the Kimber has an advantage in carrying comfort, it's thinner I think and feels a little better against my slight muffin top! But, I'll never carry one again.

**And to add, with the training I received on the trigger, I no longer feel the GLock's trigger is substandard**

[Resqu2]

Just completed a 2Day training with a nationally renowned instructor. About 1000 rounds fired per student.
Student Guns as follows:
(5) G19
(1) Kimber UCII
(1) Re-issue 1911
(1) 1913 Original 1911
(1) S/W Something or other
(2) Beretta 90-Two or similar

- The original 1911 was a disaster. Our shooting drill swere interrupted CONSTANTLY until the instructor finally requested the student swap out to another pistol or accept a rental G19
- The Kimber FTE about 5 times, FTF at least once
- The Smith auto took about 4 additional commands by instructor to make holster safe. I was on the other end but the command to holster safe was always followed by special intruction to the Smith guy.
- The Berettas performed well, note given to the additional steps in sfae/decocking need to make holster safe AND MORE IMPORTANTLY make ready to fire.
- In addition to the FTE and FTF issues, the 1911's had safety deactivation issues when shooting with support hands, the Beretta guys had to click safeties on and off with control and support hands.
- The 1911 guys were CONTANTLY packing mags, Our drills were oftern interrupted by out of ammo calls.

The 2 1911 guys were my two buddies. They are so bent on those guns. I too have a Combat Commander that is fully modded, but no better than to bring it to a combat pistol school. ALL of the skeptics were made sure that Glock was the only way to go, even my two hardnose 1911 buddies.
Anyone reading this and/or arguing for their Kimbers did not witness what I did. Save the chatter about the 100 year old 1911, we all know it was old, the 2000 or later manufactured replica performed just slightly better (still terrible, double digit failures).
IMO the Kimber has an advantage in carrying comfort, it's thinner I think and feels a little better against my slight muffin top! But, I'll never carry one again.

**And to add, with the training I received on the trigger, I no longer feel the GLock's trigger is substandard**

I'm guessing the answer is NO but did any of the 5 G19's have any issues??

[Vague17]

I had a Kimber Ultra Carry when they first came out; it was a Series I. It was reliable with a nice trigger. Perhaps I should have kept it, but the takedown on it was a big production that required a little pin that went into the full-length guide rod to hold it open. I broke a couple of pins before I figured out how to take it apart correctly. (This last bit elicited some puzzled remarks from the people at Kimber when I called them about it.) The pistol was soon traded away because I cannot be bothered with such complications. In contrast, I love the ingenuity and simplicity of the Glock design.

[jcristG19]

I'm guessing the answer is NO but did any of the 5 G19's have any issues??


Not the first one.