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hvnit2gd
08-31-2008, 19:13
1911--- now that would put the handgun world in a frenzy!!! Especially the other handgun manufacturer's.
What are your thoughts on Glock making a 1911 style handgun?
GhillieGlock
08-31-2008, 19:17
i don't understand what the point would be? there are already dozens of 1911 manufacturers, Glock is known for designing 1 kind of pistol.
:cool:
What are your thoughts on Glock making a 1911 style handgun?
I think it would be awful. Glock should never go backwards in design technology. They already set the standard for functional reliability. Any departure from that is going the wrong way.
BManoftheyear
08-31-2008, 20:47
If they could make a 1911 with the known glock reliability I think it owuld be a hit.
But the recoil would also be a hit with a poly frame I think,but it would be big so the felt recoil shouldn't be to bad.
I would buy one
badge315
08-31-2008, 20:55
IIRC, Glock conducted a consumer survey asking what type of pistol they should produce next prior to the introduction of the G37 and the .45 GAP cartridge. Everyone I knew that participated in that survey said they wanted a long-slide (ala the G34/35), full-size, single-stack frame chambered in .45 ACP (which would have been perfect for Limited-10 division in USPSA). So we were all a little dumbfounded when the G37 came out. :dunno:
What could Glock do with a true 1911 that has not already been done? It wouldn't be a Glock, just a 1911 with Glock's name on it. Oh, wait, a Glock polymer frame revolver! Oh, Oh a Glock bolt action rifle! Get real. Glock makes an inovative, easy to maintain, durable pistol. No one has come close to convincing me that just because Glock might field it, be it an AR or anything else, it would somehow be magically better than what's on the market already. Convince me that I'm wrong.
Batesmotel
08-31-2008, 21:21
I want them to make a standard Glock in single stack .45 ACP. Nothing new in design just a thinner grip.
A 1911 wouldn't be a Glock. Now a full size single stack .45 would be ok...kind of like a big brother to a G36.
AustinTx
08-31-2008, 22:17
1911--- now that would put the handgun world in a frenzy!!! Especially the other handgun manufacturer's.
What are your thoughts on Glock making a 1911 style handgun?
I don't like it. What's the point?
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hill billy
08-31-2008, 22:43
WHy is every other thread in G glocking about how to make glocks better? Glocks are great. I own three with more coming.
I would purchase a large frame G36.
But if Glock were to copy the 1911 chassis, forget it.
I think it would be awful. Glock should never go backwards in design technology. They already set the standard for functional reliability. Any departure from that is going the wrong way.
+1
Besides, Glock can't even slightly deviate from their own design without screwing up.
Case in point: The G36
hvnit2gd
09-01-2008, 08:52
I asked what do you all think, so why is everyone asking me whats the point? I dont know what the point is thats why I asked the orginal questions?
Why are so many people here in love with rhetorical questions? It really amazes me the lengths people go on here to try and humuliate others.
I asked what do you all think, so why is everyone asking me whats the point? I dont know what the point is thats why I asked the orginal questions?
Why are so many people here in love with rhetorical questions? It really amazes me the lengths people go on here to try and humuliate others.
OK, here's a direct answer. It would be a waste of time and resources. Glock could not make a better, more reliable, true 1911 than Les Baer. They couldn't make one more economically than anyone else. You ask what everyone thinks and the answer is that it would be pointless. The questions asked aren't rhetorical. I would really like to know what folks think Glock could bring to the table that would make it possible for them to make a better 1911.
A 1911 wouldn't be a Glock. Now a full size single stack .45 would be ok...kind of like a big brother to a G36.
That sounds pretty good to me.
tshadow6
09-01-2008, 09:20
If Glock could make it as slim as a 1911 is supposed to be, with a single stack magazine; maybe. I think GLOCK should design and produce a carbine. 9mm and .45 to start with. I know about the aftermarket kits, that's not the same.
TrooperBrian
09-01-2008, 10:19
It has already been done, and it absolutely sucks. Its called the Springfield XD. :rofl:
UncleLuke
09-01-2008, 10:44
Stupid idea, Glock isn't every other gun manufacture. They are Glock for a reason, simple design, not a lot of parts, reliable out of the box, cost about $500.
Batesmotel
09-01-2008, 10:45
I have short fingers and some arthritis. A Glock is just a bit fat for me but a 1911 fits great. A single stack, full size Glock would fit the bill.
Your fantasy sounds like a dark age in which top manufacturers go back to using 100yo designs for no apparent reason.
Don't you think that if there weren't something fundamentally wrong with the 1911 that you could get a nearly 100% reliable one for under $2000-3000? The simple fact that it has more parts makes it inherently less reliable than more modern designs(this is one point that cannot be disputed).
Whether you want to admit it or not, firearms have come a long way in the past 100 years and attempts to update the design have been scoffed at by purists. Yes the 1911 can still do the job, but it doesn't do it as effectively or efficiently as it's counterparts.
P.S. Firearms are inanimate objects. Your 1911's don't have feelings, so don't be offended on their behalf.
SMSTRICK
09-01-2008, 10:48
No I do not. Why should Glock go the drawing board to design a more complicated functioning weapon with more parts ? To me, the beauty of the Glock can be found within the simplicity of its design. It is durable, functional, practical and above all , simple. Why complicate it ?
bigghoss
09-01-2008, 12:01
nah, I like 1911's but I like trigger mechanism the glocks already have. however I would LOVE to see a single stack full size .45 glock
I agree with what most have already said ... although you can get a 100% reliable 1911 for less than $2000 (I have two). But that's not the point.
If you look at it from a pure economics point of view, making a 1911 (machined cast or forged frame) is much different than making a Glock (injection-molded polymer frame) ... so it would be a poor fit for existing manufacturing equipment and (perhaps) expertise. But even if you get past that, Glock would be entering a market that already has numerous players with countless offerings- everything from budget imports to high dollar custom jobs.
I would much prefer they spend their resources developing a:
(1) Full size, long slide G36 .45 ACP
or if I can't have that, a
(2) G34/35 in .45 GAP
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longgonedays
09-01-2008, 13:00
I always think of a G21 as a their 1911. Especially if you alter the frame a little bit and add a beavertail like I saw on one yuck.
bw-glock
09-01-2008, 13:12
It has already been done, and it absolutely sucks. Its called the Springfield XD. :rofl:
:highfive:
Giggity-Giggity
09-01-2008, 13:14
What are your thoughts on Glock making a 1911 style handgun?
Gaston would roll over in his grave if he was dead.
I have short fingers and some arthritis. A Glock is just a bit fat for me but a 1911 fits great. A single stack, full size Glock would fit the bill.
Glock could actually remedy this without going single stack....if they wanted to.
GhillieGlock
09-01-2008, 14:49
the fat grip never bothered me, so a single stack would do me no good. now a long slide version of the 21 gets me exited:supergrin::supergrin::supergrin:
sigcalcatrant
09-01-2008, 14:57
OK, here's a direct answer. It would be a waste of time and resources. Glock could not make a better, more reliable, true 1911 than Les Baer. They couldn't make one more economically than anyone else. You ask what everyone thinks and the answer is that it would be pointless. The questions asked aren't rhetorical. I would really like to know what folks think Glock could bring to the table that would make it possible for them to make a better 1911.Not to mention the equipment they would have to buy. Glock making equipment and 1911 making equipment ain't even close to being similar.
tbhracing
09-01-2008, 15:03
I think it would be awful. Glock should never go backwards in design technology. They already set the standard for functional reliability. Any departure from that is going the wrong way.
Nailed it.
For me it would be a long slide single stack 9mm. No accessory rail, and a little bevel on the corners of the slide at the muzzle. Adjustable sights and a true 3.5# trigger. 10 plus 1 in the pipe would be fine. My dream IDPA pistol. Oh yeah,they could call it the G17LSSF. For G17 long single stack short frame. I would jump on the single stack long slide 45, except with the rate of inflation these days, I couldn't enjoy it as much as the 9mm. From an ammo cost perspective. I wonder how long it will be before they decide to level out the ammo pricing, to catch all us 9mm junkies.
AustinTx
09-01-2008, 17:20
Single stack 9mm's started with the Luger, hence it's ammo name (9mm Luger). The next single stack 9mm was the German P38. It also gave us a double action auto. If someone wanted a long-slide 9mm, I think they could start with a 1911 frame, get whatever slide length they preferred and I think 9mm barrels for the 1911 have been available a long time. My son-in-law had one (1911) with setups for 9mm, 38 Super and 45 ACP back in the 70's.
I keep seeing requests for Glock to build a small single stack 9mm, for a BUG, I guess. The Colt Mustang was a small single stack with locked breech, but in 380 ACP. I don't know why a gun the size of the Mustang can't be built with a locked breech and chambered for the 9mm Luger. I'll bet someone will tell me.
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i don't understand what the point would be? there are already dozens of 1911 manufacturers, Glock is known for designing 1 kind of pistol.
:cool:
My point exactly!
glock2740
09-01-2008, 17:30
I think it would interesting to see what Glock could come up with in the 1911. Seems like every 1911 maker has came out with some plastic piece. Even Wislon, makes a poly coated framed gun.They could make it accurate by having a great barrel/bushing and fitting the barrel lugs up well with the gun, but keep it a tad loose(which doesn't hurt accuracy as much as most would have you think), so as to make it a very reliable gun. I think, a few new and innovative ideas, along with having the Glock name would make it a decent seller. I'm not saying for them to discontinue the path they're on, but throwing their hat into the affordable,fairly accurate,ultra reliable 1911 ring would be exciting. Hell, I'd buy one. And who knows? What if it were a success and they started making them in 9mm and 10mm? Hell, I might buy 3:supergrin:
what about a Glock carbine?:outtahere:
what about a Glock carbine?:outtahere:
<---would love one in 10mm:whistling:
:supergrin::wavey:
what about a poly framed 1911?
is kimber the only one who makes one?:dunno:
An "Assault Rifle" ;) Can you imagine what kind of reliability Glock might be able to make?
2 cents,
Sean
psychophipps
09-02-2008, 00:57
G21 length, single-stack .45 ACP. 8+1 sounds like a good number of shots...
psychophipps
09-02-2008, 01:00
An "Assault Rifle" ;) Can you imagine what kind of reliability Glock might be able to make?
2 cents,
Sean
Heck, maybe even a PDW/SMG based upon the pistol action but with a longer barrel and adjustable stock of some sort. With the parts commonality, I'm sure that a lot of LEAs would buy the things for ease of use, training, and maintenance.
Get_Zwole
09-02-2008, 01:19
i would totally buy a glock assault rifle
I have read the replies here and I see where the OP is coming from. I know Glock dominates a majority of the L.E. market in the U.S. and a large part of the CCW market,but a glock is not for everyone:shocked:. And to state that here to some is blasphemy, because it's perfect for them so it should be for everyone, but the odd thing is people (including myself) like the 1911:wow:. If Glock were to come out with a quality 1911 I'd probably get one to go along with my other Glocks.
I am not a marketing genius and by no means do I know what's best for Glock like some people here appearantly do, but hell if they were able to please just about everyone, and not just with introducing a 1911 but other types of weapons as well, then I agree with the OP that it would put the handgun/gun world into a "fenzy".
Jeep only makes Suv's because that's what they're good at. But if they were to start making cars people would say that's stupid etc etc... But I guarnatee if Jeep did start making cars, they may not be for everybody but others would buy them and be happy.
Why would they copy an inferior design? If Glock made a 1911 it would have Glock reliability and capacity. Then it would be a modern weapon and the 1911 guys would really get anal about that.
A glock carbine or rifle would be the ticket.
Your fantasy sounds like a dark age in which top manufacturers go back to using 100yo designs for no apparent reason.
Don't you think that if there weren't something fundamentally wrong with the 1911 that you could get a nearly 100% reliable one for under $2000-3000? The simple fact that it has more parts makes it inherently less reliable than more modern designs(this is one point that cannot be disputed).
Whether you want to admit it or not, firearms have come a long way in the past 100 years and attempts to update the design have been scoffed at by purists. Yes the 1911 can still do the job, but it doesn't do it as effectively or efficiently as it's counterparts.
Being both a GLOCK and a 1911 owner, I don't find my GLOCK's anymore relibable then my 1911's or vise versa.
I own 3 1911's. All Kimbers, none have ever had issues related to reliableity. I remember when I got my last Kimber Custom II, the dealer told me that it was normal for them to have issues for the first few hundred rounds until they get fully broken in.
600 rounds later not a single failure to feed or failure to extract and I've not cleaned of oiled the thing only once, when I first brought it home.
My Kimber PRO CDP, has about 1200~1500 rounds threw it now, lost track etc. Only problems it ever had was around 800 rounds when the stock factory recoil spring started to wear out. On the PRO models they recommend you change them every 800 rounds. I installed a new set of WOLFF XP springs and it was 100% once again. No issues during break-in on that one either.
My PRO CARRY II only has about 150 rounds threw it with one failure to extract around 75 rounds. I discovered the extractor was a little loose. I readjusted it and its been fine since.
I've owned about a dozen GLOCK's.. All of them worked flawlessly too.
Also own 3 HK Pistols, again, all flawless.
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