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cookekdjr
09-06-2008, 12:38
Just some food for thought:

Obama outraises McCain 6:1 among active overseas military
The Center for Responsive politics has come out with a new study on donations from military personnel to presidential candidates, and the results are actively embarrassing for Senator John McCain. Despite McCain’s own veteran status and a media narrative that paints him as a foreign policy expert (despite all evidence to the contrary), the troops which have the most on the line have overwhelmingly favored Senator Obama with their donations.

According to an analysis of campaign contributions by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, Democrat Barack Obama has received nearly six times as much money from troops deployed overseas at the time of their contributions than has Republican John McCain, and the fiercely anti-war Ron Paul, though he suspended his campaign for the Republican nomination months ago, has received more than four times McCain’s haul.

What’s arguably even more embarrassing for Senator McCain than Barack Obama’s fundraising prowess is that Ron Paul out raised him by more than a 4:1 margin from active overseas military. Ron Paul, despite being borderline certifiable with some of his policy ideas, was the only Republican candidate who was anti-war in the primary. Between the contributions that Ron Paul and Barack Obama have received, it’s clear that active duty military that are deployed overseas are sending a clear message that they are ready to end America’s military engagement in Iraq.


The study also goes on to analyze the contributions from all active duty military, regardless if they are stationed here or abroad. While Senator Obama’s lead over John McCain is not as commanding as it is with just overseas troops, Senator Obama still leads John McCain when it comes to military contributions. What’s more amazing though, is that Senator McCain actually performs much worse than the Republican party when it comes to military fundraising.


Despite McCain’s status as a decorated veteran and a historically Republican bent among the military, members of the armed services overall — whether stationed overseas or at home — are also favoring Obama with their campaign contributions in 2008, by a $55,000 margin. Although 59 percent of federal contributions by military personnel has gone to Republicans this cycle, of money from the military to the presumed presidential nominees, 57 percent has gone to Obama. (emphasis mine)

So despite the Republican party leading the Democratic party overall in military contributions by an 18 percent margin, John McCain trails Barack Obama by a 14 percent margin in overall contributions. Maybe it’s been brought to the attention of active military members that when it comes to Veteran Care, Senator Obama is clearly the better candidate than John McCain. Or maybe they are sick and tired of being the ones stuck in a never ending war. But whatever the reason, this year it’s clear that John McCain will not be able to count on the military vote like Republicans have in the past (Bush beat Gore 2-1 in the active military vote), and that should be very worrying to his campaign.


UPDATE: Barack Obama has raised $60,642 from 134 donors (overseas troops) and $335,536 from 859 donors (all military personnel). John McCain raise $10,665 from 26 donors (overseas troops), and $280,513 from 558 donors (all military personnel). It’s important to point out that this study only covers donations over $200 that are reported to the FEC, and does not include the $25 and $50 donations that Barack usually racks up.

Source: http://strategy08.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/obama-outraises-mccain-61-among-active-overseas-military/

deadday
09-06-2008, 15:12
Because a lot of the people overseas think that voting for Obama will bring them home majically....




drew

striker6126
09-06-2008, 15:22
My best friend is a Maj. In the Army and he prays every night for Mccain to get elected.

Javelin
09-06-2008, 15:24
Because a lot of the people overseas think that voting for Obama will bring them home majically....




drew

I noticed this when Kerry was running for President. But what I noticed most were the ones that were 'pro-Kerry supporters' did not vote and spent most of their time drinking in the barracks. So really in the end it made no difference what the lefties in the Armed Forces thought.

Those of us who did take the time to register and vote voted Republican IMO :dunno:

REDDAWN
09-09-2008, 13:07
BIG supporters for LOW Paid Military. Don't you think??

Fred Hansen
09-09-2008, 14:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

nnickatnight
09-09-2008, 16:08
The Center for Responsive Politics is a leftist group so of course the spin is favorable to the Obamination.

GVFlyer
09-10-2008, 18:02
The quoted article qualifies as political propaganda. Although retired from the Army, I still serve in an advisory capacity to the Guard at the brigade level. Military personnel are overwhelming for John McCain.

The military primarily votes Republican, we know the Democrats would hang us out to dry. I have a top down and bottom up view of this - as a junior officer I was a voting officer.

The democrats know the military is almost a monolithic Republican voting block so they try to change the truth through means such as this article. They also do disgraceful things like going to court to keep the military's absentee ballots from being counted in the contentious 2000 presidential election.

ChrisK
09-11-2008, 17:01
As a former active duty member and now in the reserves I can tell you that all of the people I talk to support McCain. I would say it is 99 to 1. My son is stationed a Beale AFB and he says the same.

Norman
09-11-2008, 17:12
Not surprising considering you find this on that very same website:

Strategy ‘08 is a new blog dedicated to covering issues surrounding the 2008 Presidential Campaign between Barack Obama and John McCain. Authors are long-time bloggers and unabashed Barack Obama supporters dansac, slinkerwink, turneresq, zenbowl, smash artist and gdh1 who often post on DailyKos and elsewhere.

and above that,

Obama vs. the other guy, 2008


No bias in the facts there, huh?

SW342
09-12-2008, 03:06
My best friend is a Maj. In the Army and he prays every night for Mccain to get elected.


So do I, and lots of other folks.

Go McCain!

zoyter2
09-12-2008, 07:47
I have no scientific data to back this up, but I call 'HUMONGOUS' BS.

I am yet to find a soldier who supports Obama. I am sure they are out there, but 6:1? BFS.

FL2NV
09-14-2008, 20:51
Ron Paul was the GOP's leading money getter from military..just saying.

mitchshrader
09-14-2008, 21:53
i'm willing to believe soldiers don't respect incompetent commanders, but that doesn't explain obama's popularity.

zooropa
09-17-2008, 10:17
"UPDATE: Barack Obama has raised $60,642 from 134 donors (overseas troops) and $335,536 from 859 donors (all military personnel). John McCain raise $10,665 from 26 donors (overseas troops), and $280,513 from 558 donors (all military personnel). It’s important to point out that this study only covers donations over $200 that are reported to the FEC, and does not include the $25 and $50 donations that Barack usually racks up."

*This is an absolutely invalid statistical sample. Poorly spun by a biased political group.

"It does not include the $25 and $50 donations that Barack usually racks up."

*Oh, how convenient. No, it does not include the $25 and $50 donations that constitute the overwheming majority of military donations. If you were to actually analyse those military donations (instead of just saying what you wish to be true as fact) you might (likely would) find a completely different story.

Nice attempt to try to convince folks that the miltary rank and file wants Obama. Perhaps it will work on folks who know absolutely no one in the military and have trouble reading (i.e. much of his current base). But I doubt it will work here. :)

Linh40
09-17-2008, 21:35
Whether a person support Obama or McCain. One thing is clear for carreer military personnel or those in for a few years after deploying a few times it stasrts to take a tow on people.

Think about this, husband and wife are both military. Husband deploy for "12 months" then get extended for another 3 months. Comes home only to find out wife's unit is deploying for 12 months. So they would have lived apart for over 2 years. Yeah it was their choice to join.................

That's why some want obama to win thinking that they will be home quicker and deploy less maybe maybe not who knows but at least he sounds good

This might be my first time voting since I want Obama to win...........................jk LOL

If you want to know what happens if McCain or Obama win:

Obama: America will be like South Africa
McCain: It will be like Bush's third term

Dirty Dealer
09-17-2008, 21:56
I know this is off topic but; If the economy is so bad hows come the two guys running for president can raise over 110 million dollars in campaign money between them in just one month?

CPT_CRUNCH
09-19-2008, 08:08
dont let GT fool ya... dont let your brother or your cousin or whoever else you "know" in the military fool ya... there are A LOT service members who support OBAMA.

i support him, have given his campaign money, ever volunteered some of my time for the cause. and as a combat vet, still serving and leading Soldiers EVERY DAY; understand that not all service members automatically vote republican.

4TS&W
09-19-2008, 08:25
dont let GT fool ya... dont let your brother or your cousin or whoever else you "know" in the military fool ya... there are A LOT service members who support OBAMA.

i support him, have given his campaign money, ever volunteered some of my time for the cause. and as a combat vet, still serving and leading Soldiers EVERY DAY; understand that not all service members automatically vote republican.

Yeah, only the smart ones do.... :rofl:

Captain Caveman
09-19-2008, 10:00
I only know of 1. A co-worker who is also a Lt. Col. in the Army Reserves. I've known him for 12yrs and never really clicked with him. But I respect the HELL out of his rank.

cphilip
09-19-2008, 20:32
Isn't it correct that McCain cannot accept private donations at all? He stuck to the agreement to use the public funds pool and Obama backed out and decided he could make more money privately. Wouldn't that affect any sort of poll on where money comes from.

Besides the fact it appears to be a lie.. that is...

SGT45
09-19-2008, 20:35
Who cares? He still has a mid eastern name. The United States of America does not need a President w/ a mid eastern name, when we are at war in the mid east. I am still clinging to my religion and guns. I am still proud to be a AMERICAN, unlike his wife. I don't idolize a racist Reverend or Rap Crap spewing singer, then claim to disown them. His middle name is little to be desired. So tell me what he is going to "Change" since he can't! Or maybe I will be told that this is a "TYPICAL" GT'er response. You can replace the "GT'er" w/ what he said, just to remind you. I can refresh your memory. Oh, by the way, don't go there. I really think Gen. Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice would have been a good pick for VP. I actually think Condi is as good looking as Sarah.

meshmdz
09-23-2008, 13:10
The quoted article qualifies as political propaganda. Although retired from the Army, I still serve in an advisory capacity to the Guard at the brigade level. Military personnel are overwhelming for John McCain.

The military primarily votes Republican, we know the Democrats would hang us out to dry. I have a top down and bottom up view of this - as a junior officer I was a voting officer.

The democrats know the military is almost a monolithic Republican voting block so they try to change the truth through means such as this article. They also do disgraceful things like going to court to keep the military's absentee ballots from being counted in the contentious 2000 presidential election.

Sir, how does this explain Obama out-doing McCain in terms of fundraising as it pertains to the Military???

CPT_CRUNCH
09-23-2008, 13:28
ArmyTimes is doing currently doing a survey on who we (service members) support in the next election. maybe you should base you opinion on our CURRENT views instead of what you remember way back in the day.

CPT_CRUNCH
09-23-2008, 13:33
The quoted article qualifies as political propaganda. Although retired from the Army, I still serve in an advisory capacity to the Guard at the brigade level. Military personnel are overwhelming for John McCain.

The military primarily votes Republican, we know the Democrats would hang us out to dry. I have a top down and bottom up view of this - as a junior officer I was a voting officer.

The democrats know the military is almost a monolithic Republican voting block so they try to change the truth through means such as this article. They also do disgraceful things like going to court to keep the military's absentee ballots from being counted in the contentious 2000 presidential election.
ArmyTimes is doing currently doing a survey on who we (service members) support in the next election. maybe you should base you opinion on our CURRENT views instead of what you remember way back in the day. results will be published in october. you might be surprised on the numbers.

CPT_CRUNCH
09-23-2008, 13:35
As a former active duty member and now in the reserves I can tell you that all of the people I talk to support McCain. I would say it is 99 to 1. My son is stationed a Beale AFB and he says the same.
you two need more friends

Dirty Dealer
09-23-2008, 14:59
Obama sux

bryceban
09-23-2008, 16:58
you two need more friends

GT needs less Hippie trolls:wavey:

BlackPaladin
09-23-2008, 17:19
As a current reserve member of the US Navy, I would say opinions are very divided. It is a very heated debate, but the supporters of Obama seem to stick with his ideas no matter what. Overall, taking only my unit at this time, a solid 50% are voting Obama, and the war in general, is not spoken of highly amongst many where I drill.

meshmdz
09-23-2008, 20:27
ArmyTimes is doing currently doing a survey on who we (service members) support in the next election. maybe you should base you opinion on our CURRENT views instead of what you remember way back in the day. results will be published in october. you might be surprised on the numbers.

That is something that myself and some other cadets were discussing out at LDAC this past summer, at Fort Lewis, WA. And much to my surprise, there are actually quite a few "cadets", soon to be 2LTs, who seem to be supportive for Obama. I think that its good we can talk politics here on GT, at the end of the day, its all about respecting each other's opinion even if we disagree.

CPT_CRUNCH
09-23-2008, 21:52
GT needs less Hippie trolls:wavey:
trolls give you RETARDS a chance to see reality, let me know how it is in fantasy-land bubba.

meshmdz
09-24-2008, 07:52
The fact is, that Obama is going to win in November and the Republican party and its hardliners cant do anything about it. People are just simply TIRED of the way the Republicans have been doing things for the past 8 years. There are alot of moderate people in this nation that are good, upstanding Americans, that are going to vote for Obama because people want change... It might not be the best change imaginable but anything from the way things have been going will be an improvement, even if it is a little bit better.

Ironic that the party that emboldens Christ and faith moreso than the Democrats, or so at least they say in their rhetoric no matter how void in legislation and action, is mud slinging more than ever and using fear-mongering tactics to attempt to retain power... I dont blame them though, its merely a last-ditch effort to retain what they have screwed up in the past 8 years.

bryceban
09-24-2008, 18:09
trolls give you RETARDS a chance to see reality, let me know how it is in fantasy-land bubba.

So.........you are a troll huh?

CPT_CRUNCH
09-24-2008, 18:34
So.........you are a troll huh?
nice try BUBBA

meshmdz
09-24-2008, 20:38
Easy fellas

BManoftheyear
09-28-2008, 08:33
My best friend is a Maj. In the Army and he prays every night for Mccain to get elected.

I dont know why McCain is no damn better then bush.This is what gets me going so quickly.Keep voting republican and ruining our country,sure you'll keep your guns but you'll need em since we are heading towards the next depression.

Bill Clinton but a ban on our mags and such but look at how the economy was doing,we had jobs,gas was down.I am saying this I dont like either cadidate but I be damned if I am gonna vote republican.

It is like the same story,vote republican and get screwed,vote demo and turn the economy around.I am just afraid that w are to the point of no damn return,I dont think anybody is gonna be able to fix this.
Maybe the illuminati can come and bail us out next huh GWB

meshmdz
09-28-2008, 12:59
The American public is going to overwhelmingly elect Obama. Mark it down. People have had enough and McCain and Palin are not the answer to our nation's problem and the vast majority this nation know it.

ldcarson
09-28-2008, 16:01
Hmmm - I am over here right now...and I call BS. BHO has his supporters, but in my very small sampling, he is outdone 3 to 1 on most of the FOBs I have visited....In fact most of the mil guys are ready to move on to Afghan...Its too quiet now in iraq, and that means boredom for the troops...

meshmdz
09-28-2008, 17:46
Hmmm - I am over here right now...and I call BS. BHO has his supporters, but in my very small sampling, he is outdone 3 to 1 on most of the FOBs I have visited....In fact most of the mil guys are ready to move on to Afghan...Its too quiet now in iraq, and that means boredom for the troops...

Thanks for your service man. Good to hear how things are going over there. I'll be joining yall before too long Im sure.

engineer151515
09-28-2008, 18:02
Deomcrats tried to block overseas military votes in 2000.

It would be surprise me to see the same group support Dems now.

engineer151515
09-28-2008, 18:03
The American public is going to overwhelmingly elect Obama. Mark it down. People have had enough and McCain and Palin are not the answer to our nation's problem and the vast majority this nation know it.

That may be true, but if you think Socialism is the answer, you have a big surprise coming.

The Dems will leave this country in soup line shambles.

mr00jimbo
09-28-2008, 18:48
Who cares? He still has a mid eastern name. The United States of America does not need a President w/ a mid eastern name, when we are at war in the mid east. I am still clinging to my religion and guns. I am still proud to be a AMERICAN, unlike his wife. I don't idolize a racist Reverend or Rap Crap spewing singer, then claim to disown them. His middle name is little to be desired. So tell me what he is going to "Change" since he can't! Or maybe I will be told that this is a "TYPICAL" GT'er response. You can replace the "GT'er" w/ what he said, just to remind you. I can refresh your memory. Oh, by the way, don't go there. I really think Gen. Colin Powell and Condolezza Rice would have been a good pick for VP. I actually think Condi is as good looking as Sarah.

While I understand that there is some resentment towards Middle-Eastern members because of acts of terrorism, please do not paint them all with the same brush! I'm of Mediterranean descent (Greek) and sometimes when I tan people assume that I'm Muslim when I'm in fact Christian.

Now I don't support a lot of what Obama does, and I definately have hostility towards his unpatriotic wife. But things I won't hold against him is his ancestry, color or name.

SW342
09-28-2008, 19:07
I really doubt the troups are that far ahead for Noboma.

nursetim
09-28-2008, 19:30
has cpt. crunch been vetted? Or is he a troll?

MasterShake
09-28-2008, 23:06
GT needs less Hippie trolls:wavey:
+1,000. :chatter:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a219/qwe12/dew5xg.jpg

meshmdz
09-29-2008, 06:49
I havent seen CPT Crunch in a few days.

Nalapombu
09-30-2008, 23:22
I thought the membership here on GT was smarter than the average public, I was obviously way off on that one. That Klinton post was maybe one of the funniest posts I have read in a few days. I guess the military loved him too.

If ANYONE believes that Obama is going to end the Iraq war and bring the troops home, you have slipped the surly bonds of reality. It will NEVER happen. You all keep on believing it though and in a few more months maybe Santa will bring you nice presents.

Nala

meshmdz
10-01-2008, 00:30
What makes you think that Obama will not end the war in Iraq?

cookekdjr
10-01-2008, 10:46
I dont know why McCain is no damn better then bush.This is what gets me going so quickly.Keep voting republican and ruining our country,sure you'll keep your guns but you'll need em since we are heading towards the next depression.

Bill Clinton but a ban on our mags and such but look at how the economy was doing,we had jobs,gas was down.I am saying this I dont like either cadidate but I be damned if I am gonna vote republican.

It is like the same story,vote republican and get screwed,vote demo and turn the economy around.I am just afraid that w are to the point of no damn return,I dont think anybody is gonna be able to fix this.
Maybe the illuminati can come and bail us out next huh GWB

I think your sentiments are why the election will go for Obama. I don't think 2nd Am issues (pro or con) are high on Obama's list. If they do get high on his list it will be after he has fixed the economy and the war(s). And quite frankly, I'd trade hi-caps to return to the same economy, gas prices, and peace that we had under Clinton. I'd rather have both, but given the choice between McCain and continuing the bad econmy/high gas prices/war and hi-caps vs. Obama w/no hi-caps, I'll take Obama.

ldcarson
10-01-2008, 12:10
I think your sentiments are why the election will go for Obama. I don't think 2nd Am issues (pro or con) are high on Obama's list. If they do get high on his list it will be after he has fixed the economy and the war(s). And quite frankly, I'd trade hi-caps to return to the same economy, gas prices, and peace that we had under Clinton. I'd rather have both, but given the choice between McCain and continuing the bad econmy/high gas prices/war and hi-caps vs. Obama w/no hi-caps, I'll take Obama.

:rofl:Obama...fix the economy and the war? :rofl::rofl:

Thanks man, I really needed that. Laughter is good for the soul!!!:rofl:

But here again we have this liberal history revisionist thing going. Clinton inherited his economy from GHB, he did little except to allow for the increase in money to be delivered through the free housing market act..which if you will note is why we are in the mess we are in today. If returning to a clinton type era is good , then we can certainly expect another 9-11, espcially since it was being planned during Clintons time in office and he failed to take care of business with Osama not once, not twice but three different occassions. The morale of this story is the Dems SUCKETH when it comes to National Security

News Flash..The economy doesn't just change in seconds...it takes months, even years for things to have an effect, unless of course there is a world wide meltdown in ALL countries. Given that GW inherited loss regulations from Clinton, and given that we had a 9-11, went to war, still at war, dealing with many other rogue nations (North Korea, Libya, Iran etc...) I am surprised we have gotten this far without some sort of hickup. You can't do all that America is doing without eventually having to pay. geeeze, we don't even have a draft. OUR country is at war, yet life has been going by in America for most (Military and a few Govs are teh exception) as if nothing was really happening. Kids go to college without threat of serving, little mommys boys still get to have their protests, even though most have never even lived outside our country...Call it what you will..We as a nation are spoiled...The LAST thing we need is Democrat who doesn't have clue who he is telling the rest of us we need change, when he doesn't even know what the change is or will be...

hey, but thanks for the laughs...made my night here in Iraq!!!!:rofl:

meshmdz
10-01-2008, 13:03
I think your sentiments are why the election will go for Obama. I don't think 2nd Am issues (pro or con) are high on Obama's list. If they do get high on his list it will be after he has fixed the economy and the war(s). And quite frankly, I'd trade hi-caps to return to the same economy, gas prices, and peace that we had under Clinton. I'd rather have both, but given the choice between McCain and continuing the bad econmy/high gas prices/war and hi-caps vs. Obama w/no hi-caps, I'll take Obama.

I couldnt agree with this post more.

Bomber Nav
10-01-2008, 16:18
Okay guys, it won't be just hi-caps that will go away. Obama has said (and I quote): "I don't believe in people owning guns." He voted against allowing people to shoot intruders in self defense in their own homes! He is more anti gun than John Kerry was in 2004. Hi-cap mags are not the issue. Our basic rights as Americans is the issue!!!

Secondly, Bush is not running again. No matter who wins, we will have change. As far as "fixing the war," now hear this: the surge worked! BHO said it "wouldn't work", "it didn't work," "well maybe it worked," "no it hasn't worked" and that's all wrong. As a veteran of both OEF and OIF, I can tell you it has worked, and Iraq is well on the way to being tapered off and finally closed down. BTW, BHO went to Baghdad and asked the Iraqi PM to hold off any American troop withdrawals in order for him to take credit for it after he became President! The nerve of that guy! He slams the current administration for the troop presence in Iraq, then attempts to slow their withdrawal so he can do it and make himself look good! At the cost of HOW MANY American lives???

"Peace under Clinton?" First of all, we were attacked several times under Slutty Bill and he did (virtually) nothing (nothing that was effective) - which led to even bolder moves leading up to 9/11. Then we took more casualties than we did at Pearl Harbor! Do you really think BHO will move against the radical Muslims? The guy was educated at a Muslim shool. His father was Muslim. He professed Christianity in order to enter politics because he knew that (at the time) he couldn't get elected to dog catcher as a Muslim. So...he joined a church that preaches racism, hate, and spelled America as Amerikkka; whose preacher repeats "GD America," and now he refuses to salute the flag during the National Anthem!!! We want him as President and Commander and Chief?????

nursetim
10-01-2008, 17:16
SO? Has anyone vetted Capt. Crunch? He is a resent addition to the group. He goes against the general grain (not nessesarily a bad thing). He just seems to want to stir things up. Anybody can come on here in vapor world and claim to be a service member. I just find it hard to believe that a career officer in the military currently serving believes that obama is not going to dismantle the armed forces piece by piece. It just seems off is all.

bryceban
10-01-2008, 18:36
SO? Has anyone vetted Capt. Crunch? He is a resent addition to the group. He goes against the general grain (not nessesarily a bad thing). He just seems to want to stir things up. Anybody can come on here in vapor world and claim to be a service member. I just find it hard to believe that a career officer in the military currently serving believes that obama is not going to dismantle the armed forces piece by piece. It just seems off is all.

He probably has his hands full trolling all the other online gun forums, but I suspect he'll be back to trolling this one soon:supergrin:So many forums so little time to fish them all.

Glock 21/22
10-01-2008, 22:00
I think your sentiments are why the election will go for Obama. I don't think 2nd Am issues (pro or con) are high on Obama's list. If they do get high on his list it will be after he has fixed the economy and the war(s). And quite frankly, I'd trade hi-caps to return to the same economy, gas prices, and peace that we had under Clinton. I'd rather have both, but given the choice between McCain and continuing the bad econmy/high gas prices/war and hi-caps vs. Obama w/no hi-caps, I'll take Obama.
Do you really think that he is just going to worry about hi-cap mags. That will only be #1 on the 4000+ item list of things that he wants to take away from you. His agenda is to abolish the second ammendment. This wonderful forum will cease to exist because law abiding citizens wont be able to own guns. Just the criminals. Dont believe me, look at England and Australia. The only reason "Obama bin laden" wants to bring the troops home is because it costs money and he knows that it will get him votes.

meshmdz
10-01-2008, 22:26
SO? Has anyone vetted Capt. Crunch? He is a resent addition to the group. He goes against the general grain (not nessesarily a bad thing). He just seems to want to stir things up. Anybody can come on here in vapor world and claim to be a service member. I just find it hard to believe that a career officer in the military currently serving believes that obama is not going to dismantle the armed forces piece by piece. It just seems off is all.

I havent seen CPT Crunch in a while either. I was beginning to wonder where he went. I welcome he and all other opinion on GT as its good for discussion. Us liberals are vastly outnumbered, but thats OK. GT is still a good a place as ever.

Obama is not going to dismantle our military and you have no facts supporting that claim. Obama has actually stated the contrary. He is going to expand the Army by 65,000 and the Marines by 27,000.

Bomber Nav
10-02-2008, 15:58
"Obama is not going to dismantle our military and you have no facts supporting that claim. Obama has actually stated the contrary. He is going to expand the Army by 65,000 and the Marines by 27,000. "

...And you actually believe that??

ncvarmint
10-02-2008, 17:38
Vote smart and vote Mccain

trevor

Flinter
10-08-2008, 03:32
Another multi tour Iraq vet here. And I can say all you libs are way off about the military. There is no more than 5% of anyone I've met in uniform supporting Obuma. LDCarson hit things on the head, and Meshmdz, you need to open your eyes. Obama wants to replace the military with trained and indoctrinated street thugs.

Fred Hansen
10-08-2008, 04:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSvBCBnulLs

meshmdz
10-08-2008, 13:41
Another multi tour Iraq vet here. And I can say all you libs are way off about the military. There is no more than 5% of anyone I've met in uniform supporting Obuma. LDCarson hit things on the head, and Meshmdz, you need to open your eyes. Obama wants to replace the military with trained and indoctrinated street thugs.

Flinter, it was GW Bush's admin. and his Sec of Defense (the one that isnt there anymore ironically, ole Rummy) that lowered the qualifications to join the military, thereby allowing "thugs" to join. :rofl: Remove your head from the sand brother.

meshmdz
10-08-2008, 13:42
ever think that maybe this was done to help sustain the STRAINED military we have now as a result of the war in Iraq??????????????????

Flinter
10-08-2008, 21:53
I'm not talking about thugs joining the military, they have always been able to manage to get in. I'm talking about a seperate trained civilain force seperate from the military and equipped better than the military. Obama wants his own private army.

The difference between McCain and Obama is, McCain will slowly take us to the edge of the cliff, Obama will get us there full speed. Guess which option is easier to stop.

meshmdz
10-08-2008, 23:15
Oh so you were referencing Blackwater? Or the US Army will be like Obama's Army?

cookekdjr
10-09-2008, 12:46
Obama wants his own private army.


Seriously? Source for this claim?

Flinter
10-09-2008, 15:09
Mesh, nice try. The Army doesn't belong to any President, but to the Congress. And Blackwater was a private security firm, not a gov entity, now replaced by Euro-Asian private security firms.

Cooke, Here are the references. One with the Obamessiah saying we need a Civilian National Security Force. Sounds like soemthing out of 1930s Germany. And I will paste the old article from Ivestors business Daily on that very subject. Now I know that being a good little Lib you will naturally say it is taken out of context, and there is the possibility it could be, but just exactly what purpose would a civilian force trained, equipped and funded like the military fulfill? Sorry but there is no good intent in this area, it all pure facsism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXvLWB_NLKE

"Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals


Election '08: Democrats' reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part of her resume: Public Allies.

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Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."

The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.

In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.

Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.

Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It's training the "next generation of nonprofit leaders" future "social entrepreneurs."

The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.

Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."

Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."

One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."

The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.

The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military and stick American taxpayers with the bill."

meshmdz
10-09-2008, 19:16
American does have a problem with racism.
Social work is a great field to work in and helping other Americans in need is a noble thing.
Obama does not hate the military.
You are upset because your candidate is losing.
The end.

You STILL havent provided evidence supporting your claims. Youtube links do not count. Plus 19 seconds of Obama saying we need a collaborative effort to keep America safe is true. What is your point?

50 Cent
10-10-2008, 21:24
...if Hussein gets elected and we raise the 'Stars and Bars again guess most of the army (what...60-70% from the South) isn't going to join us?

Bummer.

meshmdz
10-30-2008, 18:27
...if Hussein gets elected and we raise the 'Stars and Bars again guess most of the army (what...60-70% from the South) isn't going to join us?

Bummer.

Interesting. One thing someone forgot to mention in regard to Obama wanting to build his own army is that he actually wants to decrease using private security contractors and use OUR Army more as opposed to Blackwater, triple canopy, and the likes.