View Full Version : What gun should i get?
sirgarreth
09-08-2008, 16:06
I need a little help. I have some extra cash (Lucky me):supergrin: for a new gun. I am looking for something good. Budget will be about 1000.00. I am looking at:
1. Sig P226 Blackwater 9MM
2. Sig P220 Equinox .40S&W
Basically looking for a "high-end" pistol. I already have a Glock 23 and a Kimber Pro Carry. Glock 23 is pretty much the only gun i carry. So this will not be a main carry gun, but it will be every once in a while. Is there anything else that should be on this list? Caliber 9mm or 40S&W
Springfield XD(m)?
S&W M&P?
Ruger P95?
:dunno:
hmm... Sig or a Sig. Get the SIG. You can't go wrong and you won't be disappointed.
I liked the Sig 226 and 228s I have shot. It had a good feel to it.
If I was looking for high dollar gun, I would get a H&K.
If I was looking for a reliable gun, I will stick to my Glocks or get a bug.
The Blackwater is a great looking pistol. And being a 226, it's going to be a great shooter.
Basically looking for a "high-end" pistol.
Springfield XD(m)?
S&W M&P?
Ruger P95?
:dunno:
you lost me here. while i hold the XD in high reguard, it is no more "high end" than your glock 23 (i cringed as i typed that)
with $1,000 to spend looking for a "high end pistol" i am looking no further than a dan wesson cbob or a springfield armory loaded operator. give or take a couple hundred.
or
http://www.gunandsport.com/images/revolvers/SWm10.gifX 3
I'd get a $600 gun and $400 worth of ammo:)
TylerDurden
09-08-2008, 17:19
1k?
Forget the novelty Sigs, if you want a Sig just buy a CPO model for half that.
If you want to spend 1k properly:
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/109245000/109245512/pix562009656.jpg
No Frills McGee
09-08-2008, 17:22
S&W 29-10 or another 1911 (colt)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=109373140
oh wait.. that's what i want.
If a Sig, I would probably go for the P226 Navy or the tactical. It would make a great host gun
If I had an extra 1K, and wanted a nicer pistol, I would probably pick up an HK. Sig is great also, however.
I liked the Sig 226 and 228s I have shot. It had a good feel to it.
If I was looking for high dollar gun, I would get a H&K.
If I was looking for a reliable gun, I will stick to my Glocks or get a bug.
So Sig and HK are not reliable?? :dunno:
Dan Wesson with interchangable barrels? 445mag and then get a 22lr to keep it company :)
So Sig and HK are not reliable?? :dunno:
I have no problem beating my Glock to death. It is like the energiser bunny. It keps going and going and going.
If you want to put your HK or Sig up to the test, I am sure I can design a test that will make it malfunction and have the Glock perfectly happy.
I am not saying that the HK and SIG are not great guns. I am sure they will beat my Glock when it comes to accuracy, but the glock will keep going and going and going. And when you have killed the Glock, you can go out and buy another one for half the price of the HK or SIG.
I have no problem beating my Glock to death. It is like the energiser bunny. It keps going and going and going.
If you want to put your HK or Sig up to the test, I am sure I can design a test that will make it malfunction and have the Glock perfectly happy.
I am not saying that the HK and SIG are not great guns. I am sure they will beat my Glock when it comes to accuracy, but the glock will keep going and going and going. And when you have killed the Glock, you can go out and buy another one for half the price of the HK or SIG.
I think that all depends on the individual pistol one has. None of my HKs have ever had any kind of malfunction. My Glock 22 on the other hand... 3 ftf and 1 case rupture over its short life. You could do all kinds of **** to Glocks, Sigs, HKs. All are extremely reliable pistols. It is hard to say one would be more reliable than the other. All have passed silly torture tests and all have passed the round count test.
I have not seen one to be more reliable than the others across the board (except for what I have experienced with my personal weapons.) :wavey:
I think that all depends on the individual pistol one has. None of my HKs have ever had any kind of malfunction. My Glock 22 on the other hand... 3 ftf and 1 case rupture over its short life. You could do all kinds of **** to Glocks, Sigs, HKs. All are extremely reliable pistols. It is hard to say one would be more reliable than the other. All have passed silly torture tests and all have passed the round count test.
I have not seen one to be more reliable than the others across the board (except for what I have experienced with my personal weapons.) :wavey:
#1. The 40SW round is a bastard round. The pressure is marginally too high for some gun designs. It doesn't take much bullet setback for it to be a problem.
#2. I hope you are not abusing your guns enough to see a difference, but I do believe that there is a difference. Each gun has an Achilies heal, it is just a matter of finding it. The XD rusts. The steel framed guns need lube (and cold and powdered dust is the enemy of these guns). Really accurate guns usually have tight chambers (so you feed them a bullet that is a little out of spec). Revolvers don't like being submerged in water and then froozen.
#1. The 40SW round is a bastard round. The pressure is marginally too high for some gun designs. It doesn't take much bullet setback for it to be a problem.
#2. I hope you are not abusing your guns enough to see a difference, but I do believe that there is a difference. Each gun has an Achilies heal, it is just a matter of finding it. The XD rusts. The steel framed guns need lube (and cold and powdered dust is the enemy of these guns). Really accurate guns usually have tight chambers (so you feed them a bullet that is a little out of spec). Revolvers don't like being submerged in water and then froozen.
#1 I agree with you :supergrin: I hate the .40. I have to carry it :supergrin:
#2 I am sure I will find out eventually. My Glock has just let me know sooner :supergrin:
GlockFish
09-08-2008, 19:09
If a Sig, I would probably go for the P226 Navy....
That's what I was going to suggest.
But that revolver Tyler posted makes me all warm inside.
That's what I was going to suggest.
But that revolver Tyler posted makes me all warm inside.
Ehh...just snag a used one for around $400, save $200 more, and get both!
:supergrin:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/-GuNuT-/Revolver/DSCN1249.jpg
how about an M1 Garand:supergrin::patriot:
Sig P226 Blackwater 9MM nice looking pistol cheap to shoot.
Forgoten214
09-08-2008, 20:50
Ehh...just snag a used one for around $400, save $200 more, and get both!
:supergrin:
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c294/-GuNuT-/Revolver/DSCN1249.jpg
Nice!
srothman
09-08-2008, 21:26
If you get the BlackWater, get new, old stock. Make sure it has the coated internals, there have been some internet rumors about them not having it.
I bought the BlackWater because of the night sights, and the five magazines. If you don't like the wood grips, you can sell them at the Sig forum, to off-set the cost of the gun.
If you want a great shooting gun, and don't care about looks, buy a CPO. Use the money you saved to send it to Gray Guns, Bruce and Scott, will turn it into an incredible gun. The double action will be clean, and crisp, the reset will be very short, and the single action will be one of the best I have ever shot, on a semi-auto except a 1911.
I have both, and the CPO see's more use than the BlackWater. I don't care for the wood grips, they are too big for my hands.
My personal choice would be a 9mm for range use, because of cheaper ammo.
nick__45
09-08-2008, 22:31
If a Sig, I would probably go for the P226 Navy or the tactical. It would make a great host gun
If I had an extra 1K, and wanted a nicer pistol, I would probably pick up an HK. Sig is great also, however.
+1. sig 226 is a classic. the 220 is nice as well but 226 is the talk of the town among sig elitists such as myself.
GroovedG19
09-08-2008, 23:06
I have owned 3 Sigs(P229 & P226) and still have one(P239), and while they are nice pistols I don't believe any Sig(except P210 or 550 series rifles) is worth 1 grand or over.You can get 2 used Sigs in excellent condition for 1K.
If you're set on a Sig, check out the classic(full German without the rail) P220 in .45ACP.From your list, my vote is for the P226 Blackwater.
sirgarreth
09-09-2008, 12:13
Thank you all for your replies. I think I am leaning more towards the P226 Blackwater. I will still eventually get the P220 for CCW purposes, but until then I am very happy with my G23. I thought about the HK, but they are so bulky for my taste. I know the P226 is also bulky but it is slightly slimmer. Either way we will see how it goes. Let you all know what i get with pictures!
MrMurphy
09-09-2008, 12:20
Get yourself a Browning Hi-Power, customized by Novak (or Cylinder & Slide).
The CLASSIC 9mm. Once you've handled and shot one, pretty much all else will be measured by it. (This, coming from a die-hard .45 guy!) :)
Or an M1 Garand... :) Same story!
photomike
09-09-2008, 12:26
sheeeeet.
P226 CPO $500 delivered.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/52332
that's a helluva deal.
not affiliated with Bud's, just a happy customer.
Mike
mesteve2
09-09-2008, 14:57
buy two Glocks.
:wavey::wavey::wavey:
#1. The 40SW round is a bastard round. The pressure is marginally too high for some gun designs. It doesn't take much bullet setback for it to be a problem.
Only on guns designed for the 9mm, then made to shoot the .40 with an unsupported chamber. Like the Glock.
There are a few out there, that were designed specificaly for the .40, then made to fire the 9mm, so the 9mm are extra beefy. The only one I can think of for the moment, is the Steyr M-A1, but there are more. And the Steyr also uses a fully supported chamber... not sure of the others.
sirgarreth
09-09-2008, 16:16
I will be looking into Bud's Police Supply. I could get both the P226 and the P220 for those prices!!
If it were me Id go for the p226. Does the 220 come in .40? like ive said in the other thread. Sig p226 is my next purchase but will be in 40. enjoy
Only on guns designed for the 9mm, then made to shoot the .40 with an unsupported chamber. Like the Glock.
There are a few out there, that were designed specificaly for the .40, then made to fire the 9mm, so the 9mm are extra beefy. The only one I can think of for the moment, is the Steyr M-A1, but there are more. And the Steyr also uses a fully supported chamber... not sure of the others.
I am not talking about the wear on the gun (which is an issue on some 9mm guns that have been converted to 40).
I am talking about margin of error.
I can take a stadard 9mm round, push the bullet back 1mm and get away with it in MOST guns.
If you try this with any 40SW, you will get excessive presure.
There isn't enough margin of error. This is why you can load the 9mm to +P and ++P load without issue. You can also load the 45ACP to +P and ++P loads and then with the right barrel 45Super.
I haven't checked out the 45GAP, but it apears that the 45GAP has a little more margin of error.
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