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monkeyevil
09-09-2008, 22:28
Thought maybe those of us with no issues could chime in.

I love my CW9, and it fires every time I pull the trigger (~1,000 rounds), and doesn't when I don't :cool:

fastforty
09-09-2008, 22:41
I've had my PM9 for over 3-1/2 years (looking at a dated target hanging on the wall above the computer for reference) & it's been totally reliable through at least 500-600 rounds. The locking surfaces on the barrel are still as crisp as they were when it was new. It smoothed up a lot after the first 200 rounds & shoots to point of aim :)

user
09-10-2008, 04:05
I've run maybe 800 through the PM9 and 500 through the K9, and I've yet to discover any problem at all. I did have to remove a slight burr on the bottom of the slide, specifically the little square protrusion on the bottom of the striker, so I could get the thing apart without wrestling with it for an hour. Other than that, they've both been perfect. I don't shoot 'em all the time, mainly did the break-in and reliability assurance thing, but I carry one of them most all the time.

riddleofsteel
09-10-2008, 04:15
I bought my K40 Covert used from a friend. I guess total it has around 1000 rounds down the pipe now.

I replaced the recoil spring, mag follower and spring, and replaced the guide rod with a solid stainless one.

100% reliable since it was re-sprung.

I carry it......no higher praise.

greenjeans
09-10-2008, 10:53
CW9 and CW45 here. The CW9 was purchased new and has not had a failure of any kind, even during the break-in period. The CW45 was purchased used with unknown rounds through it and it has also been flawless. I carry one of them every day.

Shooterer
09-10-2008, 11:36
MK9 ~ over 1000
PM45 ~ 475
No jamb or light strikes. Just the occasional empty shell between the eyes.

Rick Poage
09-10-2008, 13:38
User, and anyone else thats interested. The reason that the slide is hard to remove on these guns is the cocking cam strikes the slide end plate. Here is how i do it. Pull the slide back far enough to start the slide stop out, but dont remove it all the way. Let the slide go forward and pull the trigger and hold the trigger to the rear and finish removing the slide stop. Keep in mind that the slide will go forward and off the gun, so have it against a padded surface when you pull the stop out. Works every time. regards rick

PortlandZinMan
09-10-2008, 14:18
Over 2000 rounds through my PM9 - my primary carry and it's been 100% - replaced the recoil spring "just because" and all is well.

Rosco1080
09-10-2008, 15:20
A little over 1,000 through my P9. I did get a new slide/barrel from Kahr around 600 rounds for peening. The new slide/barrel has done the same, but it still runs very well. A very rare fail to feed.

Nuclear
09-11-2008, 05:31
I shoot my P9 about once a month, never had a gun related problem, and I've had the gun about 4 years.

NewsShooter
09-11-2008, 06:03
I had an E9 made in 97, BANG every time. Now I have a K9 03 Elite made in 06. It too goes BANG every time.

alnitak
09-11-2008, 07:59
Had my PM9 since January ... maybe 500-600 rounds down the pipe. No problems of any kind. Feeds everything and extremely accurate. Love this little gun!

dr.henryjonesjr
09-11-2008, 09:56
MK9 from Nov. 01 -Thousands of rounds.
100%
No jams...Always has fired.
Shell cases like to make a high arc ocassionally and bonk you on top the head seemingly long after you stopped firing.
Always makes me laugh when this happens, but better then "Shooterer's" right between the eyes. :faint:

Indy_Guy_77
09-11-2008, 12:09
Only had ONE click when there should've been a bang from my CW-40.

had a round of Remington UMC 180gr FMJ with a hard primer. Re-chambered it and it went bang on the second stroke.

Now, ask if I've had other troubles...

-J-

hackbart
09-11-2008, 17:27
I bought my PM9 almost a year ago. I've fired 1020 rounds through it. I had a couple failures in the first 200 rounds. Been reliable ever since.

I trust it. I carry it when I need something small.

BackDraft
09-12-2008, 14:13
Well I guess since I'm the old Kahr fart in here I better chime in. My E-9 born in 97 has over 30,000 rounds fired and only malfuntions are shooter induced. The K-40 I have has about 8,000 thru it now with no problems. I don't carry the K 40 or use it much unless I am training some who use the S&W 40. The MK40 I had no problems with it just too small for me to shoot well with. Now my soon to be new everyday carry peice PM45 has only 200 rounds thru it and as soon as I get my ammo order in it will do the 1,000 round course and once it does that with no problems it will be on me and my E-9 will be sent in to be refinished and a few custom mods.
Most of the problems that I have seen in training others is limp wristing and crappy ammo. and lack of lube. Kahr like being wet. Hope that helps some out there.

BillHickock
09-12-2008, 14:46
K9 Elite, bought used and beautifull. Had one light primer strike out of 300 rounds. Replaced striker spring just in case. No problems, shoots everything in 9mm.

jggonzalez
09-13-2008, 10:46
Kahr MK9. No round count, but gun was purchased about six years ago. Had slide replaced due to cosmetic issue, but never had any functionality problems with it. Gun will be shipped back soon for XS sights. This is one of the best guns I've ever owned.

greenjeans
09-13-2008, 14:13
Put another 100 rounds or so through each of my CW9 and CW45 today with zero problems of any kind. Shot Blazer Brass through the .45 and WWB through the 9mm. Never a malfunction with either.

denfoote
09-13-2008, 19:39
Mk9 Elite 98 works quite well!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/denfoote/MK9.jpg

:supergrin: :supergrin: :supergrin:

Lynn D
09-14-2008, 07:07
Happy P9 owner here as well! Have had it for over 2 years. Goes bang every time unless. Replaced recoil spring for "trouble feeding" and haven't had a problem since. Have also learned that Kahr prefers being "wet"; mine could use a little touch up with that. Love my little pistol.

bac1023
09-14-2008, 08:41
Thought maybe those of us with no issues could chime in.

I love my CW9, and it fires every time I pull the trigger (~1,000 rounds), and doesn't when I don't :cool:

My T9 has never failed. Its a very good quality pistol.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6026/0001295wg2.jpg

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7310/0001294ov2.jpg

mini14jac
09-15-2008, 09:42
My CW9 is less than a year old.
400 rounds, goes bang every time.

kplender
09-15-2008, 16:21
I shot my brand new PM9 on Saturday. I put 150 rounds thru it with absolutely no problems. I rapid fired, I limp wristed, I sling shot loaded the first round (basically everything I could think of to get it to FTF or FTE), but it performed flawlessly. Yaaay!!

SouthpawShootr
09-15-2008, 16:24
Both my MK9 and K9 have been flawless.

My PM9 goes bang everytime. Trouble is, it just doesn't always chamber a new round after it goes bang.:whistling:

G20-IWB24/7
09-15-2008, 23:38
Had a K40, K9, MK9, PM9, P9 Covert, another K40, and a K9 Elite '03. (Still have the Elite and the Covert.) NEVER had a problem going bang in any of them. Each has been totally reliable. I don't see what those high-and-mighty GLOCK guys are talking about, as I once (yeah, I know, only once) had a 1st Gen G17 not fully go back into battery at the range. So, my Kahr's are more trusted than my GLOCKs so far.

JimBianchi
09-16-2008, 00:20
Mk9! Ball, JHP, +p, it's all good!

Over 2K in rounds, no problem.

I bet my life on it everyday!!

hagar
09-16-2008, 09:03
I just bought a new CW9, but my ffl holder is on vacation and I cannot go pick it up yet.:crying:

LApm9
09-19-2008, 09:05
I have had my PM9 for two years and have about 1100 rounds through it. I had slide lock and feeding problems for the first 600 rounds. Then Kahr sent me a new slide lock and spring and it has been 100% on all ammo since, except for Cor-bon, which it hates.

I have a peening problem developing, which is almost causing a problem. I hope things come to a head before the warranty runs out.

jagibson81
09-19-2008, 13:50
I bought my CW9 used last December. I have put about 700 rounds through it without a single problem. I love this gun. It is my primary carry piece.

Ranger431
09-22-2008, 08:15
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p320/Ranger431/DSC00980.jpg

My CW9 goes bang every time I pull the trigger - FMJ & HPs both work flawlessly.

hagar
09-22-2008, 08:25
Shot my new CW9 yesterday, it functioned flawlessly and I was impressed with it's accuracy. Great trigger, I almost bought a Keltec PF9, and then I tried the Kahr. This is the gun Glock should have made a long time ago! Not knocking Glock, I love my G19, G20 and G26, but there is a real need for a slimline model, and the G35 is not it.

lance22
09-22-2008, 13:16
Kahr P40. Over 2,000 rounds through it. Just for laughs I shot half a season of IPSC with it - no issues except when I wasn't using genuine mags. I now only use genuine. It's my daily carry piece that's been a pleasure to shoot, easy to carry, and is as reliable as my Glocks.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x137/lance22_photo/kahrOn1911.jpg

Almost forgot, the finish is EXCELLENT check it out! Four and a half years of daily carry in both leather and kydex and the finish is as pristine and beautiful as the day I took it out of it's factory bag.

bac1023
09-22-2008, 14:01
Nice pic.

Tough Guy Levi
09-22-2008, 16:12
Howdy All:

Visited Evans Shooting World (indoor range) in Orange, CA yesterday and another 100 rounds were sent downrange by myself,another shooter who was having problems with his Sig 220 (first round or so mag rounds would go bang but the third-click) purchased new in June 08 plus a couple of other guys.

I immediately thought his Sig problem were his magazines but when the weapon failed to go bang the second time around after the a couple of initial rounds, I removed it from his hands then racked the slide. Out "jumped" a live round with no primer indent. Hmm, I heard his weapon go CLICK. Well, must be the way he is "holding" the Sig! Nope, his weapon didn't go bang with me trying it on for size thus hmm again. His ammo wasn't reloads and I spotted another shooter with .45 factory ammo and asked if I could "borrow" 5 for testing purposes. Magazine loaded with 5 and again on the second round, click but no bang. Gee- Sigs have their problems too! I also made sure both of us fully pulled the trigger to the rear because of the firing pin block. I suggested he bring it back to the dealer he purchased the weapon from and have them call factory for a return authorization.

Getting back to my Kahr PM 9, I let three fellow shooters practice with my Kahr PM 9 purchased new June 2005. No malfunctions of any kind! Two of the shooters were somewhat experienced. One of these guys kept calling the magazine a clip - chip on his shoulder - plus let go with a pistol cannon that "drove" all from the firing line. I didn't know what or what caliber he let go but all gave him "I could kill stares". He thought it was cute until another shooter (near 6'7") suggested in very very strong language that if he ever did it again without informing other shooters present, he would take that cannon and put it somewhere he would be feeling it for a long period of time. The guy, his friends packed up and left!!

Tough Guy Levi

Dobber
09-22-2008, 20:17
I got a PM9 on Saturday and went to the range to break it in. I put 500 rounds of WWB and 40 rounds of Speer +p GDHP's with zero problems. I'm going to put another 300 WWB and 40 more +p's through it this weekend.

creativetownsman
12-04-2008, 10:57
My CW9 is totally reliable after about 750 rounds through it. What I REALLY want is a PM9 but hesitate due to many negative postings on the web. So, I'll no doubt remain with my CW9, which I'm able to pocket carry in a Nemesis or UM.

NailShooter
12-04-2008, 12:25
Mk9! Ball, JHP, +p, it's all good!

Over 2K in rounds, no problem.

I bet my life on it everyday!!


What JB says. My 7 or 8 yr old MK9 runs like a fine watch. :cool:


Nail

mnorton
12-04-2008, 13:40
Reliable PM9 here with thousands of rounds through it.

ex0dus
12-04-2008, 14:13
PM9, no issues. GREAT carry gun. Looking forward to the p380 release... soon hopefully.

Supercharger
12-04-2008, 19:44
Over 2K (stopped counting, its proven itself) on my CW9 without a fire malfunction, though my mag started living a life of its own when my poly mag catch wore out. A new steel replacement catch, free from Kahr, fixed it right up.

Still wish Kahr would bring out a CW9 size, single action 1911 for 9mm. Price it under the EMP and Kahr has a winner. I'd certainly buy one based on my experience with my CW9 and its MADE IN THE USA.

Martlee3
12-05-2008, 16:23
One of the early PM9's from 2003. Not one problem. About 1000 rounds.

mnorton
12-05-2008, 16:30
One of the early PM9's from 2003. Not one problem. About 1000 rounds.

Same for me on one of the early ones. Test fired Nov 04 and I purchased it in Mar 05. It's a VA9XXX series pistol. Been nothing but very reliable and accurate. Very smooth shooting from such a small/light 9mm pistol.

speedsix
12-05-2008, 17:12
Back in 1997, I went out and compared small 9mm pistols. I narrowed it down to the SIG 239, the Kahr K-9 and the Star Firestar M-43. I really wanted the K-9 but it like $100 more than the SIG 239 so I was going to settle for the SIG 239 until the clerk told me about the E-9. I inpected it and noticed that it really was very close to a K-9 with some minor cost cutting.

The K-9 was about $600, the SIG 239 was $499 and the E-9 was $360. I bought the E-9 and I was so happy with it for years. It was my primary carry gun and after the 200 break-in, it was perfect. All it required was a good clean and lube. I polished the feedramp and chamber and fed it brass cased ammo and it was 100% for over 2000rds.

The only problems I has with it were the CCI aluminum case Blazer ammo sometimes wouldn't eject. When I used any brass ammo, it was fine. After the polish, it would even cycle Blazer and Wolf. The trigger seemed long and heavy and not really smooth. I oiled the moving parts and the trigger felt like a custom action! I assumed it was oiled from the factory but don't assume that, clean and oil your gun before and after break-in. Don't be like me.

I loved that gun but a buddy of mine loved it as well. He ended up trading me a Colt 1911 Chip McCormick Race pistol plus some cash on my end and he got it. I missed it for years until I bought a K-9. Now I have a K-9 that also runs 100%

I did own a P-9 that was a total POS. I will never own another P-9 and feel that they are flawed and can't be fixed without a redesign. It was junk and gave Kahr a bad name. I feel that the plastic line from Kahr really hurt their rep. For those of you thatcan remember, Kahr used to be one of the most respected names in the gun business. Their guns were not cheap but they were great. The all steel guns are still great but the plastic is Kel-Tec quality IMHO.

Rob1035
12-05-2008, 21:36
PM9, CW9, P45, no problems to report!

Colorado4Wheel
12-05-2008, 21:43
Thought maybe those of us with no issues could chime in.

I love my CW9, and it fires every time I pull the trigger (~1,000 rounds), and doesn't when I don't :cool:

Every time. Thousands of rounds. Mostly reloads. It's actually got a better record then my Glock. But my Glock has more rounds and got a couple dud primers.

GA Flyer
12-06-2008, 20:52
I got my PM9 3 years and 2,000 rounds ago. It had a couple of failures to return to battery during the first 100 rounds of break-in, then great since. The PM9 feeds everything I have tried in 115, 124 and 147 grain bullets in HP, RN and FP. It is very reliable and is my favorite carry gun. Last month I specifically purchased a new Kahr CW40 with land and groove rifling so I can shoot my cast wheel weight bullet reloads after the Democrats make it too expensive/difficult to buy jacketed ammo. I had 3 premature slide locks during the first 60 rounds, then perfect since then (now at 240 rounds). Yes, magazines need a break-in too. The CW40 fed everything I had from WW White Box to Speer Gold Dots to 180 grain cast bullets and my normal 165 grain Ranier bullet handloads. It shot to point of aim at 10 yards with all three straight out of the box. I was amazed that the recoil with the 180 grain JHP and the 180 grain cast bullets was much less that I had expected from a gun this light. It was very manageable, no worse than my HK-USP .40 Compact, I shot 200 rounds in one range session and would have been quite happy to have shot another 200 rounds. The PM9 is great in a small SmartCarry. I got the medium SmartCarry for the CW40, but the added overall length of the CW40 and the extra grip length make it slightly less comfortable to carry than the PM9. I like them both. They're keepers.

mfetty77
12-06-2008, 22:33
Got about 600-700 hundred through my PM9. Not 1 problem at all. It's my main carry gun, LOVE IT!!

kashton
12-07-2008, 15:25
I carry my Kahr MK40 Elite most of the time but when I can, I carry my HK45 Compact. I spend the most time carrying the Kahr just because it disappears on me at 2 O'Clock with a Comp-Tac. It has a very snappy .40 S&W kick whereas the H&K .45 cal HK45C has a much lighter and much smoother feel when it goes off. I love shooting the HK45C. It reminds me of a 1911 except it is just a different style altogether with light weight and a nice Delta Force feel too it. I saw a picture of one with a suppressor fitted onto it and it was niceeee... anyways... the magazine extension on the Kahr helps me get a good grip on it if the regular clips make the gun awkward to grip, but the extra round is nice (5+1 to 6+1). It is every bit as accurate as the HK45C. The Comp-Tac 2-O'Clock works wonderfully with the Kahr. I just acquired the HK45C (H&K 45 Compact) two days ago and got a chance to shoot it yesterday. It is easily the best pistol I have ever shot in my life. The kick is reduced considerably (advertised 30% recoil reduction on their website)... I mean it is really noticeable in person. It is smooth and accurate, and very reliable. I also love how it can be holstered cocked with the safety on.

Anyways, back to the Kahr:


http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/kashton/12-5-2008018.jpg
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/kashton/12-5-2008027.jpg
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww37/kashton/12-5-2008010.jpg
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CodyBoy
12-07-2008, 19:59
2 P9's and they go BANG everytime. Wish ammo wasn't so expensive. Only have a couple thousand rounds thru each after about 3 years.

sgtlmj
01-01-2009, 15:21
PM9 VB01xx. Bought it used on GT in a FTF deal in MI several years ago. He had the bbl recall done, and as I recall he sold it to fund a Rohrbaugh.

I've got probably 2k through it with no problems whatsoever. I did read this thread about some updated parts that I may have missed out on and just emailed Kahr to see if I needed anything.

NoComp
01-01-2009, 15:53
PM9 since July 08, with 800+ rounds. Not a single issue thus far.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc10/BW1911/pm9.jpg

lance22
01-01-2009, 18:20
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x137/lance22_photo/Holsters/sideguard_2.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x137/lance22_photo/Holsters/kahr_bearclaw_600.jpg

Linux3
01-01-2009, 20:32
I like this, most people just post comments when things go wrong.
I bought a PM9 about a year ago and liked it so much I also bought a KP45.
Both are very solid after break in. Would not think of selling or trading either one.
Mostly for the PM9 I use the pocket holster from the Kahr site and I'm happy with it. It has a valcro flap to reduce, and I do say reduce, looking like I have a pistol in my pocket.
I'm looking for a better IWB for the KP45.

Bronson
01-01-2009, 23:34
I had some problems with my CW40 at the beginning but since it's last trip to Kahr I haven't been able to make it fail once in over 500 rounds ....and I've tried :winkie:

Bronson

user
01-02-2009, 08:09
Gee, wouldn't it be nice if Kahrs crapped out more often or needed accessories, so we'd have something to talk about besides which holster to buy? I've got a 1990 GMC Suburban, and there's an online forum for trucks like that that's just buzzing all the time; all sorts of things break, rust out, need repair, and replacement with new and improved aftermarket accessories. No so with Kahr's handguns. They're so boring, they just seem to work reliably every time.

porterdog
01-02-2009, 20:11
IA-series PM9; 500 rounds fired since new; no issue.

Broiler Monster
01-03-2009, 21:04
Thought maybe those of us with no issues could chime in.

I love my CW9, and it fires every time I pull the trigger (~1,000 rounds), and doesn't when I don't :cool:

I love mime. Had it for about 2 years and 500 rounds.100%.

Linux3
01-03-2009, 22:10
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x137/lance22_photo/Holsters/sideguard_2.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x137/lance22_photo/Holsters/kahr_bearclaw_600.jpg
What brand is the double snap holster?
I have been looking for a new IWB and it just seems to me that having the clips / snaps in front and in back of the Kahr would make the whole rig thinner.

Bronson
01-04-2009, 01:53
What brand is the double snap holster?
I have been looking for a new IWB and it just seems to me that having the clips / snaps in front and in back of the Kahr would make the whole rig thinner.

It's not the same brand as in the pic but you could try either the Striker or Canute (http://ubgholsters.com/IWB.html) from UBG Holsters (http://ubgholsters.com/). Nate from UBG makes great stuff.

Bronson

mwg27
01-04-2009, 17:52
Two PM9's (9093 carried daily and a 9094N on the night stand by the bed) and neither has ever had an issue (both VC's)

Wouldn't trade either gun for anything else...

harrydog
01-06-2009, 16:24
I've had my K9 for about 5 years now and it's been 100% reliable since day one. I owned another K9 before I bought my current one and that was 100% as well.

lance22
01-06-2009, 17:24
The photo that you refer to is a Sideguard Holster's "Double Snap". http://www.sideguardholsters.com/

The kydex holster is the BearClaw Holster's "Hidden Asset". Bearclaw is now out of business. An equivalent design might be something from RM Kydex.

Lew-G17
01-07-2009, 14:22
I have a K9 that I have had about 4 years with no problems. I just added a P9 Covert and so far have had no problems with it. Both feed and function with any ammo used including my soft IPSC reloads. Both are factory stock.

BrthrB
01-11-2009, 13:29
Over 600 rounds through my PM45 in the last 6 months. Had just a couple of failures to eject within the first 100 rounds...no problems since. My number 1 Off-duty carry gun!

ralpho1
01-13-2009, 14:00
Have had my serial number va**** pm9 for years, one ftf in the begining (maybe in the first couple of mags, it was a federal 147 gr) since then I have replaced the springs and thats it, haven't had a mishap since. I just detailed stripped the slide and it's components and all looked well My carry load is the Gold Dot 124 grain +p, and that one has run great. Total round count must be around 1200 . I have a p3at and an LCP, but I can't get used to that idea for the life of me.

Kahr Fan
01-21-2009, 18:36
Have owned a PM9 for about 7 months, first handgun I purchased and no regrets. Around 700-1,000 rounds and not a single malfunction. The slide and chamber was exremely tight at first but after the breakin period it loosened up. I love how people like to bash kahrs about reliability, but i guess with every brand/caliber you will find some one that thinks they are junk.

datachk
01-23-2009, 15:30
I am a recent CCW convert from Kel Tec. I carried a P3AT 380 for a year or two and then considered the Kel Tec PF-9 9mm, wanting to move up to a more powerful round. I purchased one and it tured to be completely unreliable. I sent it back to the factory after an unsuccessful "fluff & Buff". It was returned with a few updates (metal mag release and feed ramp buff) but still FTF issues.

Thinking it was the ammo, I spent quite a bit of money on different types of ammo but it still was untrustworthy. And that's a problem for a CCW weapon.

I then saw the Kahr PM9 on a recent trip to the GS and decided, after reviewing the favorable comments on the your forum, that I would give it a try even though it quite expensive.

Bottom line: This little lady is great! To date I have put 250+ rounds of various types of ammo through her and not one hickup. She's accurate, reliable and easy to carry. And a nice looking weapon to say the least!

Good job Kahr!

PS: You get what you pay for.

Mark G.
01-26-2009, 10:40
I have a K9 & P9 Covert, never a hiccup even during the break-in period.

Linux3
01-26-2009, 16:53
I am a recent CCW convert from Kel Tec.
Bottom line: This little lady is great! To date I have put 250+ rounds of various types of ammo through her and not one hickup. She's accurate, reliable and easy to carry. And a nice looking weapon to say the least!

Good job Kahr!

PS: You get what you pay for.
Welcome to the club. Like a fine Swiss watch.
I'm an engineer and I just flat out admire the machinery.

coverdog
01-27-2009, 12:40
My Kahr goes bang everytime thread...


Yep, I have 2. A k40 and pm9 that both go bang every time.

rcprothero
02-01-2009, 13:18
Break in of about 800 rounds. Replaced mag release and recoil spring. 1000's of rounds later no ftf. Shoot everything with it. I keep it wet with CLP.

detonics96
02-02-2009, 16:21
Developed a peening problem with my PM9 after about 500 rounds. Factory service was free and fast. Has been fine since. Carried almost daily and shot frequently. Very happy with my PM9.

jsdkms
02-03-2009, 19:06
500 rounds and not a problem with my PM9! Shot all ammo including +P+ !!!!

twisterchick
02-07-2009, 21:20
I've had my Kahr K9 for about 4 years now(got it used) and have shot about 800 rounds or more. I carried it everywhere I went. Right before Christmas the spring broke. It's a good thing I practice with 2 guns. I got it fixed after the holidays. I now use my SW M&P/c. for everyday carry and my Kahr as a backup.

harrydog
02-08-2009, 07:25
:crying:I've had my Kahr K9 for about 4 years now(got it used) and have shot about 800 rounds or more. I carried it everywhere I went. Right before Christmas the spring broke. It's a good thing I practice with 2 guns. I got it fixed after the holidays. I now use my SW M&P/c. for everyday carry and my Kahr as a backup.
The recoil spring actually broke? That's very unusual. Any idea how many rounds were on it when you bought it?

mrnuke7571
02-11-2009, 17:34
Just picked up my 'used' Kahr P9. It must have low mileage on it as there were very minor scratches on the barrel.

Since getting it, I've shot :
Hornady TAP 124gr - Perfect (50 rounds)
Winchester whitebox 115gr FMJ - Weak but Perfect (50 rounds)
Winchester Ranger SXT 127gr +P+ - WOW. VERY HOT but Perfect (14 rounds)
Fiocchi 115gr FMJ - Perfect (150 rounds)
Federal HST 124gr - Perfect (50 rounds)
Federal HST 124gr +P - Perfect (14 rounds)
Federal HydroShock 135gr Low-Recoil - Perfect (50 rounds)

Speer golddot 124gr +P ammo stovepiped every 2-3 shots. The gun seems to hate that stuff, so I chalk that down to ammo problem.

Otherwise I love this little thing. Will be great for summer deep concealment.

beemergofast
02-14-2009, 17:11
I've had my PM9 for 4 years now. Over 1000 rounds....ball, hollow point, 115gr, 124gr, 148gr,......this thing is "bullet" proof. No FTF except during the 200 round break-in. Not ONE since.

It's my primary carry gun....it fits in the front or back pocket of everything I wear including dress slacks. I never leave home without it.

I love my Glocks (5) and my 1911's including Baers. But my primary carry weapon is my PM9 because it "fits". I trust my life with all my glocks, all my 1911's, my AR's, etc.....but I carry my PM9......it works!

lance22
02-14-2009, 17:15
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x137/lance22_photo/Holsters/lancecarry_2009014_4.jpg

Kahr P40 in a SideGuard Holster's IWB. The thing really hides away. Flat, concealable, comfortable.

deadhawg
02-15-2009, 00:09
Just another "my Kahr goes bang every time" post.
After a few failures of the trigger to reset in the first 100 rounds, my PM9 has been flawless. Around 1500 rounds through it now, everything from wwb to HST+P to several different handloads.
I just bought a P45, haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but I'll give a report when I do.

IrvJr
02-15-2009, 05:05
My all steel K9 has still been going strong. I believe I have over 1200 rounds in it and it's be chugging like a champ since about 75 rounds. during the break in period for the first 75 rounds, the slide occasionally didn't return to battery completely, but since about 75 rounds its been flawless.

I mostly shoot Winchester White Box, Fiocchi, and Remington 124gr JHP rounds through my gun. It's accurate and reliable and my "go to" pistol. I like the fact that it's so compact yet accurate and easy to shoot.

http://home.comcast.net/~cynergyou/goto01.JPG

http://home.comcast.net/~cynergyou/goto02.JPG

theGreenAggie
02-19-2009, 19:41
Just got a copy of Gun Tests - Feb 09 Vol. XXI No. 2

The first test they conducted was between three small 45 autos - Sig C3, Colt CCO, and Kahr PM4543.

First, I didn't like that they were testing two 1911 platforms with longer barrels against the shorter Kahr, but that's another story.

They failed the Kahr, and if I test fired one with similar results to what was printed I would have also. Right front lip of plastic frame was cut due to slide. Evidently the slide was dangerously difficult to pull back to chamber the first round due to the double spring setup inside; these guys actually locked the slide back without a magazine and then put the mag in to chamber a round. Then they talk about poor accuracy - again, it has a shorter barrel than the other two guns but I would assume these guys know how to shoot. The last round in the magazine frequently jammed because the slide was under such high pressure from the spring inside. This happened so much that they actually stopped testing the gun!

"Our best group was with the five rounds of Cor-Bon we fired. It gave us two jams for five rounds, but put them into 1.8 inches. Worst was Federal Gold Medal Match, which averaged 6 inches. In our opinion, the Kahr PM4543 is one of the worst handguns we've encountered. The spring force of the slide is so stiff as to challenge our strongest team members to get the slide fully retracted to either pick up a cartridge from the magazine, or to be able to lock the slide open. Worse, in almost all of the many jams we experienced with all ammunition tried, the powerful spring wedged the outgoing empty or the incoming live round against the magazine, jamming it in place. This left no option but to westle the slide back against that ferocious spring to lock the slide back before clearing the jam. With a live round beneath the jam, this was a little scary. We eventually ceased testing this gun before our hands could slip in the cool weather and give us an unwanted discharge. Handguns must be set up to work safely, and in our experience, this one was not. Kahr can do a whole lot better than this"

Now I've been considering a PM9, so I know I can't expect the same results since it is a bit of a different gun, but this is troubling! I haven't read anything negative about Kahrs from you guys. Any feedback here? Talk me down?

Wilson 2008
02-20-2009, 07:13
The PM45 I bought last June recently passed 2000 rounds during an "advanced pistol" class at the local range. It kept up with the Sigs and Glocks just fine and had people all around me asking "what is that again?" It is a simply outstanding little gun. It has had a few failures along the way, and I've learned from them:

1. It has not had a failure in the first 50-75 rounds fired since the break-in period. If it is clean and in my holster, I have no doubt it will work when needed.

2. It likes to be clean and well lubed. When I shoot more than one box of ammo at a time I keep it fairly wet (well coated with Rem-Oil, but not dripping). I often shoot 250 rounds in one trip to the range, and most of my malfunctions happen towards the end of these sessions. By this point the gun is visibly filthy and the barrel is too hot to touch.

3. It is sensitive to limp wristing. As I get fatigued I can watch myself cause malfunctions. A good grip fixes this right away. This mostly causes failures to feed, and a quick tap on the back of the slide makes it good to go.

The "poly rails" look brand new, as does the entire frame, slide, and internals. The barrel has normal cosmetic wear, and a tiny bit of displaced metal where the slide stop goes through the barrel lug, basically a little bump on the side of the barrel at the front of the hole on the bottom where it absorbs all of the recoil. Not enough to even show up in a picture if I tried. This is a very small gun for that big a cartridge!

I know others have had trouble with PM series pistols. I'm sorry. Mine is accurate, dependable, and the most comfortable carry gun I've ever owned. After 2000 rounds I am very satisfied.

- Wilson

lance22
02-20-2009, 08:51
Other guns can be reliable out of the box. Kahrs need a break-in period.

Pistol Pedro
02-20-2009, 18:01
....these guys actually locked the slide back without a magazine and then put the mag in to chamber a round. Then they talk about poor accuracy....

Am I missing something? How else are they supposed to chamber a round?

Please don't tell my you drop a round in the chamber and let the slide fly home on it.:wow: That would be a great way to break an extractor

theGreenAggie
02-21-2009, 19:57
Well I normally take the empty gun with the slide in forward resting position, lock the mag in, then rock the slide back and let go.

Pistol Pedro
02-21-2009, 20:19
Well I normally take the empty gun with the slide in forward resting position, lock the mag in, then rock the slide back and let go.
Okay. I have no problem with that. I just don't understand your previous comment on inserting a magazine with the slide locked back.

theGreenAggie
02-22-2009, 08:03
Well the way that I read the review in Gun Tests, these guys would lock the slide back with the gun empty, then insert the magazine and let the slide rock forward. I guess the slide was so difficult to pull back that they didn't feel comfortable wrestling with it with bullets in the gun...

"But what did give us pain was the immense force needed to chamber a round. We had to use a great deal of strength to pull back the slide. We could not easily, nor safely, get it back far enough to catch the first round, so rather than risk our hand slipping, we resorted to removing the magazine, locking the slide back manually, inserting the magazine, and then dropping the slide to chamber the first round. We didn't like wrestling with a gun with live rounds in it."

Nuclear
02-22-2009, 23:57
Well the way that I read the review in Gun Tests, these guys would lock the slide back with the gun empty, then insert the magazine and let the slide rock forward. I guess the slide was so difficult to pull back that they didn't feel comfortable wrestling with it with bullets in the gun...

"But what did give us pain was the immense force needed to chamber a round. We had to use a great deal of strength to pull back the slide. We could not easily, nor safely, get it back far enough to catch the first round, so rather than risk our hand slipping, we resorted to removing the magazine, locking the slide back manually, inserting the magazine, and then dropping the slide to chamber the first round. We didn't like wrestling with a gun with live rounds in it."

Which if they read the owner's manual is how you are SUPPOSED to load the gun!

mpd563
02-23-2009, 15:54
My new PM9 has only had about 160rds put through it as of today but so far it has been 100% perfect!

strobro32
11-09-2009, 21:13
I like mine.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2595/4090642239_1777cc9409.jpg

txpitdog
11-09-2009, 22:00
Mine had major problems at first. 3 trips to the factory. Now, though it works great. 400 rounds with no issues. Looking forward to another 4000.

cziv
11-09-2009, 22:42
My PM9 has about 1500 - 1600 rounds (all types & weight) and has never not fired.

The recoil spring assembly had the front nut work loose, which I lok-tited and am still using. Kahr sent me two aditional complete spring assemblies.

One which had an unfinished front nut (the little round thing that sticks out under the bbl) which I promptly polished with a dremmel and then the correct "finished" replacement.

All 3 are lok-tited!

I consider that great customer service. I was going to sell it right away since I think this is an outrage for an ($605 + $30 shipping + $20 FFL fee) expensive little pistol.

I read of everyone else's problems with this little polymer POS, but I cooled down after that and I have learned to love the darn thing and wouldn't sell it for anything.

It's deadly accurate and has never failed to fire!

Tough Guy Levi
11-10-2009, 09:00
Howdy:

This weekend, my Kahr PM9 has "digested" 19,111 rounds and except for a couple of weak magazine springs, has been 100% (not a typo) reliable since the date of purchase. Mfg in May 2003, I purchased my Kahr at a Costa Mesa, CA gun show after seeing ads regarding the Kahr line. Several months later I found out (call to Kahr) my PM 9 was manufactured two years prior and my serial number was in the barrel recall range.

To say the least I was a bit upset because my newly purchased Kahr had been sitting on the shelf for a couple of years, unsold! Hmm, why wasn't there a demand for my Kahr? I called Kahr again and was assured there weren't any improvements made since my Kahr was manufactured and just enjoy my new purchase. I read the owners manual (DAH) especially the part about the 200 round break-in period. I also found Glock Talk's Kahr Club and read about FTF (Failure to Feed) and other "problems" associated with the Kahr product line. I wasn't a happy "camper"!!

After 200 rounds, no FTF nor "bang" problems. Wasn't I supposed to have jams, FTF etc problems during break-in? Yes, I was "supposed" to but I didn't! Thousands and thousands of rounds later, except for limp wristing (on purpose) my "OLD" manufactured Kahr kept sending rounds downrange. I've replaced springs, sent my Kahr Co for the factory tune-up almost 5,000 rounds ago and it still sends rounds downrange through the original barrel with nary a problem.

Sunday I was teaching (NRA Cert Pistol Inst) a newbie (Evans Shooting World-Orange, CA -SoCa) who brought to the range a S&W Model 36 (no dash #). Folks, that's all he had to shoot since I asked him to bring his weapon(s) with him. He was in the range when I arrived and watched him for several minutes. Well, his home defense double action revolver was sending rounds downrange via pulling the hammer back, single action! IMHO that's a no no - As you all know, the trigger pull is now so light, a boo or stubbing a toe in the dark will no doubt cause a discharge!

A half hour in the classroom, another half hour in the range, he was learning to use his home defense revolver ONLY double action. I just had to show him my Kahr equipped with night sights (http://www.ptnightsights.com/).

After some instruction, 250 rounds later he was asking where he could purchase a Kahr PM9. Because of the weapon/sights, I wouldn't want to be the bad guy facing him with a Kahr in his hands. Using his S&W 36, well that's another story! The sight channel/slim front sight makes it difficult to see in any light condition! Oh, I forgot to tell you, I practice/teach without a light on the downrange targets 3,7 and 12 yards! Most bad happening are in low light situations thus practice makes perfect! Another 250 rounds downrange in my hands and my Kahr reached 19,000+ ranges "digested".

And now you know the rest . . . .

Tough Guy Levi

cziv
11-10-2009, 13:15
Cool Story Tough Guy Levi !! :supergrin:

War Hammer
11-10-2009, 21:08
I bought my K-40 back in early 1996. I've long ago lost count of the number of rounds down the pipe, but I estimate them to be over 10,000. The only malfunction I've ever had was very early on when I installed the recoil spring backwards. (Can't really blame the gun for that!) I've shot all qualities on ammo and all profiles of bullets and never had feeding or cycling problems. Damn fine gun!

Gideon46
11-15-2009, 15:25
I have an old old P9. It's a bit crude and came with tons of machine marks on the side of the chamber. The checkering is rough on my hands so I always have an "A" grip on it. It's the blackened stainless model. So it's not pretty but it's never malfunctioned, ever. Perfect and I know I have 3-4000 round or more. I've let others shoot hundereds of rounds through it too but I'm being conservative.

Then I have an MK9. It's been perfect with everything except just a couple FTF with some defensive JHP's. Sent it back to Kahr to have them tune it for JHP's. They did so under warranty and it truly eats everything now.

Now I also have a new K9. Not a better gun for my hand on the planet. It's been flawless but I'm only up around 300 rounds but those include a wide assortment of JHP's.

I plan on getting the K9 checkered on the front strap just to make it picture perfect.

I hear a LOT about Kahr quality but for me they've been simply outstanding guns!

Gideon

Sharky7
11-15-2009, 17:05
I've replaced springs, sent my Kahr Co for the factory tune-up almost 5,000 rounds ago and it still sends rounds downrange through the original barrel with nary a problem.



Did you feel like this was worthwhile? Did they do a good detail cleaning for you while it was there as well?

wagonm
11-15-2009, 22:48
PM9, July 2009 production, purchased in Sept. 180 round so far and goes bang every tim = so far so good. Still early for sure, we'll see....

Update Nov23 2009: 206 rounds from a mix bag of PMC, HMC, Federal and WWB, except of 2x slide-open (my thumb), they all went bang.

rreynol
11-16-2009, 05:33
July production PM9 that I bought in October. 300 rounds of cheap stuff downrange so far (150 federal/100 wwb/50 pmc) with no issues. Hope to be putting 250 (more cheap stuff + my carry rounds) more through it this weekend.

OK45
11-21-2009, 19:46
I have a CW40 bought used and never a single problem. 800+ rounds and going strong. Light flat and carries easy.:supergrin:

madwill
11-21-2009, 22:02
my new p45 has fired everything i put through it. no ejection problems either. the only quirk the gun has is a touchy slide release which sometimes trips early when loading a full mag.

hackbart
11-27-2009, 11:17
185637

I had to buy my wife a PM9 so I could get mine back. Hers (IBxxxx) has 500 rounds. One FTF in the first magazine, no problems since.

Mine (VDxxxx) is up to 2080 rounds. Two FTF during break in, no problems since.

P7Guru
11-29-2009, 19:18
I have had a PM9 since 2004. I have been shooting it off and on since then. I have put over 1000 rounds through it this year, and probably about twice that in the previous 4 years. It runs fine on 124 grain Gold Dot and any ball. I have had about 3 jams, all in the first few months. I have never replaced anything other than the sights. It looks terrible, but runs great.

I have had them all, but the PM9 is what I consider to be the best CCW.

DustyJacket
11-29-2009, 20:06
My previous Kahr (PM40) had no failures of any kind. Traded it in on a PM9 this week, and it has had no failures on the 150 FMC and 20 odd JHP I fired through it Saturday.

airflyer
11-30-2009, 20:34
IB 31## 500 Hunderd rounds plus not one falure love it carry every it where :cool:

strobro32
01-10-2010, 10:17
Here is my new CCW combo. Kahr PM9 + Poseidon suppressor.

Video
http://www.youtube.com/user/mstrombe#p/u/6/njvQbFMkqQk

Here is a size comparison with the G19/ SWR Trident.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2684/4262532821_c98911b056_b.jpg

jsm190
01-10-2010, 10:26
I still keep my G23 ready as a bedside bump in the night gun but my G27 has become a safe queen since my PM9 has 300 rounds through it without so much as a hiccup. A real joy to carry and shoots as accurate as my Glocks.

Wilson 2008
01-11-2010, 14:37
Here is my new CCW combo. Kahr PM9 + Poseidon suppressor.

Video
http://www.youtube.com/user/mstrombe#p/u/6/njvQbFMkqQk


Great video! I really need to get off my butt and into the world of class III weapons. Thanks for sharing.

- Wilson

Liquid
01-11-2010, 20:18
well i picked up a new pm9 about a week ago. i took it to the range fired 100 wwb, 100 blazer brass and 30 ranger +p+. it went bang everytime. i am thrilled about this because if it didnt i would go back to sw340sc. now i will admit my accuracy sucks compared to my g26. i plan to add xs big dots and practice more.

theGreenAggie
01-13-2010, 19:36
Just got a copy of Gun Tests - Feb 09 Vol. XXI No. 2

The first test they conducted was between three small 45 autos - Sig C3, Colt CCO, and Kahr PM4543.

First, I didn't like that they were testing two 1911 platforms with longer barrels against the shorter Kahr, but that's another story.

They failed the Kahr, and if I test fired one with similar results to what was printed I would have also. Right front lip of plastic frame was cut due to slide. Evidently the slide was dangerously difficult to pull back to chamber the first round due to the double spring setup inside; these guys actually locked the slide back without a magazine and then put the mag in to chamber a round. Then they talk about poor accuracy - again, it has a shorter barrel than the other two guns but I would assume these guys know how to shoot. The last round in the magazine frequently jammed because the slide was under such high pressure from the spring inside. This happened so much that they actually stopped testing the gun!

"Our best group was with the five rounds of Cor-Bon we fired. It gave us two jams for five rounds, but put them into 1.8 inches. Worst was Federal Gold Medal Match, which averaged 6 inches. In our opinion, the Kahr PM4543 is one of the worst handguns we've encountered. The spring force of the slide is so stiff as to challenge our strongest team members to get the slide fully retracted to either pick up a cartridge from the magazine, or to be able to lock the slide open. Worse, in almost all of the many jams we experienced with all ammunition tried, the powerful spring wedged the outgoing empty or the incoming live round against the magazine, jamming it in place. This left no option but to westle the slide back against that ferocious spring to lock the slide back before clearing the jam. With a live round beneath the jam, this was a little scary. We eventually ceased testing this gun before our hands could slip in the cool weather and give us an unwanted discharge. Handguns must be set up to work safely, and in our experience, this one was not. Kahr can do a whole lot better than this"

Now I've been considering a PM9, so I know I can't expect the same results since it is a bit of a different gun, but this is troubling! I haven't read anything negative about Kahrs from you guys. Any feedback here? Talk me down?

Ok so reading this whole thread for over a year now was the main reason that I went out to buy a Kahr CW9 last week. The Kahr was one of the only guns that met most of my spec requirements and isn't over priced (I just frankly can't justify paying more for a handgun than what a Glock costs... otherwise, why wouldn't I just buy a Glock?! :tongueout:)

That being said, I am a little disappointed thus far. The CW9 that I bought had similar results to what the review said about the PM45:

1) The slide is ridiculously difficult to pull. This doesn't really cause much problem for me, but still, it's the only automatic that I have ever handled that is really that difficult to rack the slide.

2) The first round stove-piped! This actually wasn't surprising, I have to admit that I was expecting it to, and I'm not going to judge the gun on it's break-in period. Still...

3) This was the biggest problem - the magazine kept falling out during recoil! At first, I thought it was my big hands hitting the magazine release during the kick. After the first two or three times the magazine fell out, I began shooting with only my right hand and holding the pinky off the gun, 100% certain I wasn't touching the release. Still fell out. I was getting a bit depressed, thinking it was a weapon malfunction when a stranger at the range walked up and offered to let me use his identical magazine. I think it was for a PM9, not sure, but it was structurally identical to mine. I was never able to get his magazine to fall out! After that, I went and borrowed the CW9 magazine from the range's rental gun with the same results. After using 3 different magazines in my new CW9, the magazine that actually came with my weapon was the only one that failed. Furthermore, when I went to speak with the range officer about it, he was like "oh, yeah, Kahr? Yeah those magaines fall out, I've seen it before." His rental gun magazine actually had a white mark at the bottom because he had to find one that didn't have this malfunction!

I put 200 rounds of Winchester ammo through the gun that day, which is the amount that the owners manual recommends for breaking it in. Now the gun is a paperweight while I wait for Kahr to send me a new magazine. I'll then put another 200 through the gun, and continue the process until I have a shooting session with zero malfunctions. I just can't trust my life or the lives of my loved ones with this weapon right now.

Where's the love?!

jsm190
01-14-2010, 03:05
Ok so reading this whole thread for over a year now was the main reason that I went out to buy a Kahr CW9 last week. The Kahr was one of the only guns that met most of my spec requirements and isn't over priced (I just frankly can't justify paying more for a handgun than what a Glock costs... otherwise, why wouldn't I just buy a Glock?!

Uh because Glock hasn't figured out how to make a thin single stack 9mm? I consider the money I spent on my PM9 a good investment since it has been as reliable as my Glocks.

theGreenAggie
01-14-2010, 19:36
I know that glock doesnt make a single stack, thats why I didnt buy a glock. Having a thin gun was one of my main parameters because of the way I want to carry it. I really am glad that your PM9 works well, and you did pay almost $200 more for it than my CW9, maybe that accounts for the performance difference. But the point is that I couldn't find anyone on these forums with anything negative to say about a Kahr, yet after buying one I find a range officer who knows all about their shortcomings.

jsm190
01-15-2010, 02:51
I understand, just saying you can't condemn the orchard because of a bad apple. I read about peoples problems with their Glocks on here all the time, I have had 9 of them over the last decade and not 1 malfunction, others swear by Kimber and I have had 2 that would not run right so I guess it comes down to luck of the draw.

theGreenAggie
01-15-2010, 06:28
Yea. Well im going to wait for them to send me my new magazine then continue to test it out. I don't think I'm going to be able to deep conceal this weapon the way I wanted, so it may not be long term for me. If I can't carry it the way I was thinking I could, it will become my always-in-the-door-of-my-car gun, or get sold to my mom or someone else.

Catshooter
01-15-2010, 13:23
just saying you can't condemn the orchard because of a bad apple

Actually you're wrong; people all over this planet condemn the orchard because of one bad apple every day of the week. In fact many will burn the orchard because of one bad apple.

Pity, isn't it.


Cat

BKG-22
01-15-2010, 18:36
I have had a PM9 since 2002-2003 time frame. No issues whatsoever. It is my secondary carry weapon and have probably 1200-1500 rounds through it.

If this one was ever lost - I would buy the same make/model again in a heartbeat. It fills a niche that Glock just cannot at the moment.

KahrBoy
01-16-2010, 22:38
I'm very pleased with my new PM40. Love having a 40 cal is such a small package.
Been thru 250 rounds in 2 sessions at the range. Bang every time though it is kinda picky when feeding that first round on a new magazine, only because of the bullet's position needs to be angled up not horizontal.