recoil springs

[station32]

on a recent range trip i shot 200 wwb 165 grain then right before i left i decided to shoot a few of my 180 golden sabers and what a difference in recoil and my accuracy so im thinking i should up grade to a tungsen guiderod and and different weight spring only question is lighter or heavier i read different thing here and there also no more 165 for me anymore sorry for the lack of puncuation dont care much for it

[DannyR]

youshouldlearnandappreciatetheenglishlanguage

[AustinTx]

youshouldlearnandappreciatetheenglishlanguage


I'm throwing in with DannyR on this one.
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[JBnTX]

.... sorry for the lack of puncuation dont care much for it


Punctuation and spelling is not for your benefit.
It's for the benefit of your readers.

Your stock recoil spring should be OK for all standard
pressure rounds regardless of the bullet weight.

[dsalv]

idontseewhatthebigdealisifonedosentwanttousepunctuationpropergrammarandspellingthats theirbusinessrightcomeonnowgiveaguyabreak...........oopsiusedpuctuation :wow:

[Arc Angel]

Punctuation and spelling is not for your benefit. It's for the benefit of your readers.

:thumbsup: That's very true; and it is, also, one of the elements of good literary etiquette. Punctuation, also, reveals the emphasis which THE AUTHOR, HIMSELF, would place upon the various word elements within HIS statement.

'Whether we agree, or not, I want you to appreciate the importance of what is, otherwise, a very difficult confession.' is NOT the same statement as; 'Whether we agree or not I want you to appreciate the importance - of what is otherwise - a very difficult confession.'

The nuance and inflection of each identically worded statement is different. If you could actually hear these words spoken by the author it might become apparent that the spoken emphasis on different words or phrases within the same statement clearly implies a different (and unique) nuance of actual meaning.

Your stock recoil spring should be OK for all standard pressure rounds regardless of the bullet weight.

Very well said. (Twice!) ;)





Oh, yeah, don't use tungsten; use non-captured steel instead!

[sigcalcatrant]

sorry for the lack of puncuation dont care much for itAre you trying to say you don't know how to use punctuation?

[dglockster]

O.K.

Now that the lecture on grammar, punctuation, and usage is over, is anyone willing to respond to the questions asked by station32? I would, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to do so.

BTW, I agree with the importance of proper grammar, usage, and punctuation but on this forum, I've also come to expect good answers to serious questions regardless of the manner in which the questions were framed.

[Arc Angel]

:) OK, then read the thread again! JBnTX and I were nice enough to answer the OP's initial questions in spite of the fact that (among others) both of us objected to the manner in which it was presented.

(And, in consideration of the fact that I, myself, have been taken to task for using formal English on several different occasions by various internet sloths - who obviously slept through English class and forced taxpayers to waste many thousands of education dollars on their insolent and presumptuous asses - I thought that was pretty damned nice of me. Don't you!)

Now, if you'd like a little extra information: With the exception of the 9mm models most Glocks are, to some degree, undersprung; and, this fact is especially true of the 40 caliber models. So, yes, station 32 could increase the weight of his recoil spring from the factory standard of either 17 or 18#'s (depending upon which 40 caliber Glock he owns) by one to three pounds.

With this said, I don't particularly advise using a heavier spring because other problems might be introduced; and, a simple increase in bullet weight doesn't require it. If either one of you want to know the exact weight increases available you'll have to provide your Glock's correct model.

So, how's that? Clear concise and eminently readable I hope! ;)

[J.P.]

on a recent range trip i shot 200 wwb 165 grain then right before i left i decided to shoot a few of my 180 golden sabers and what a difference in recoil and my accuracy so im thinking i should up grade to a tungsen guiderod and and different weight spring only question is lighter or heavier i read different thing here and there also no more 165 for me anymore sorry for the lack of puncuation dont care much for it

stay away from tungsten imo because it is brittle and can break ive seen it happen many times as to whether you want a heavier or lighter spring you are just going to have to experiment for yourself youll see a lot of competition shooters like myself that use lighter springs because they create less muzzle flip im with ya brother i dont care much for punctuation either

[station32]

Thanks guys! So what will a heavier spring in my 23 do, like a 20 pounder do?

[DannyR]

It will slow the slide down a bit, but may induce more muzzle flip.

[ede]

heavier spring will increase the felt recoil. lighter spring will reduce the felt recoil.

[Arc Angel]

Someone should mention that there are definitely two sides to the spring weight/perceived recoil issue. I've known shooters who preferred a heavier spring and didn't feel that recoil was increased - only slowed down. On the other hand, there are shooters who consider slappy straight back slide movement to equate to, 'less perceived recoil'.

Personally, I think how you train and what you train on are the true variables in acclimating yourself to perceived recoil. I don't like the quick slide shove from weak springs; I'd much rather deal with the slower heavier push from an overpowered spring. In my experience if you're in good health with reasonably strong arms, then, recoil of either type shouldn't be a problem - just different.

[GLOCK PR]

In my G22 and G23 I use a Wolff guide rod with a 24lb. Not a single problem using 165grs, 180grs FMJ's for range. In terms of SD ammo I had fired at least 150 rounds of the following grain menu without any issues:

155-Speer Gold Dot
155-Remington (Green Box Hi Velocity)
155-Hornady TAP
155-Federal HST
165-Speer Gold Dot
165 Remington Golden Sabers
180-Win Ranger T's
180 Federal Tactical HST

Some people do not like to rack a heavy slide. For me, the easiest technique to rack the slide is holding the middle of the slide with your weak hand and move fwd the frame with the strong hand.

I also use in my G19 a 20lb recoil spring. No issue at all...no problems with any FMJ or SD ammo yet running from 115grs to 147grs. My favorite flavor is HST 124+P. :cool:

But in my G17 I prefer a 15lb spring for range using 115grs. The reason is that several times the brass hits my face and really :steamed: .

For SD ammo I switch to 17lb spring...no problems....:dunno:

[J.P.]

A heavier spring will also give you less margin of error for malfunctions...

[sigcalcatrant]

stayawayfromtungstenimobecauseitisbrittleandcan breakiveseenithappenmanytimesastowhetheryouwanta heavierorlighterspring youarejustgoingtohavetoexperimentforyourselfyoullseealotofcompetition shooterslikemyselfthatuselighterspringsbecausetheycreatelessmuzzleflipim withyabrotheridontcaremuchforpunctuationeitherJust think of all the bandwidth we can save by eliminating punctuation AND spacing.

[mickdundie]

[Quote Arc Angel

(And, in consideration of the fact that I, myself, have been taken to task for using formal English on several different occasions by various internet sloths - who obviously slept through English class and forced taxpayers to waste many thousands of education dollars on their insolent and presumptuous asses - I thought that was pretty damned nice of me. Don't you!)]


I really doubt he went to US Public schools...at least I hope he didn't:faint:


Keep the springs stock for best results 'IMHO' (and they don't teach that in reading, writing and arithmetic)

GFBYOBandGD


Mick:thumbsup:

[dglockster]

Thanks to all of you for the replies.

They represent the spirit of Glock Talk that we all admire and appreciate.