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MacTech
09-13-2008, 17:26
I hit the range this afternoon to put some trigger time in on three of my favorite firearms, G-21, Taurus PT-99 AF and Ruger 10/22 with 3-9X scope

While I was there, a fellow shooter let me try his G-19 compact 9mm Glock, overall not a bad gun, a little snappier and whippier than I expected, I would imagine this was most likely due to it's smaller frame

I offered to let him try my 21, but he has small hands, and had to get a minor grip reduction on his 19, he tried to grip my 21, but it was too big for his hands....

How much difference is there between the recoil of the G-19 and G-17, I have been considering trading in my PT-99 for a G-17, as the PT-99 is not as consistent as I'd like it to be, anything beyond 7 yards tends to group badly, at 7 yards I can group about 1/2" with the PT-99, the same distance with the G-21 I can shoot two and three-holers all afternoon, I'm far more accurate with the G-21 than with the PT-99

If .45 ammo wasn't so expensive, I'd just plain sell the PT-99 and stick with the G-21, but I want to have a less expensive practice option that's not a .22

the things I *DO* like about the PT-99 is how it's alloy frame simply soaks up recoil, the PT-99's recoil is more of a gentle push back with a slight lift at the end, kinda' like a mix between the snap of the G-19 and the push of the G-21, also, the balance point of the PT-99 stays more or less centered, when I shot the G-19, I noticed the balance shift towards the muzzle as the mag emptied

The 17 is a bigger gun, closer to the 21, and I do not notice a balance shift on the 21 as the mag empties

I'd like a 9mm Glock that has a more .45-esque "push" recoil and that doesn't have a balance shift as the mag empties, is the G-17 that gun?

If it wasn't for the longer range inaccuracy of the PT-99, I'd be happy with it, but it groups too wide for my taste, my G-21 groups nice and close whatever the distance (within reason)

Is this more of an ammo issue, perhaps, which is flatter shooting, the 9mm or .45 (please, lets keep the caliber wars out of here, the only comparison I want to see here is which cartridge has a flatter trajectory?)

RayB
09-13-2008, 19:11
While I was there, a fellow shooter let me try his G-19 compact 9mm Glock, overall not a bad gun, a little snappier and whippier than I expected, I would imagine this was most likely due to it's smaller frame

I wonder, what ammo was he using? I shoot Judy's G19 about as well as my G17, though the latter has better target sights. It's true, the smaller G19 has a bit more "snap" in its recoil, but I find this easy to adjust to.

Everybody Needs A G19! :supergrin:


How much difference is there between the recoil of the G-19 and G-17...

The G17's recoil is a little softer, with very little muzzle flip. Follow-up shots are quick and easy.


If .45 ammo wasn't so expensive, I'd just plain sell the PT-99 and stick with the G-21, but I want to have a less expensive practice option that's not a .22

I hear that! That's precisely why I purchased my G17! I also shoot my G21 very well, grouping all nines and tens, easily. My G17 paid for itself in a year on the ammo savings alone--and it's just as much fun to shoot!

In good hands, my G17 is the proverbial tack driver, and it's approaching 12,000 rounds, without so much as a hiccup! :thumbsup:


I'd like a 9mm Glock that has a more .45-esque "push" recoil and that doesn't have a balance shift as the mag empties, is the G-17 that gun?

You might want to consider a compensated model... You can always drop a non-compensated barrel in for carry, and use the compensated one for the range.

As for the balance shifting as the magazine empties, it is less noticeable on the G17. With the G19, I just mind my front sight, and shoot through it.

I should note that I often use 33-round magazines, as I generally shoot two mags per target, so the 33's are convenient with either G17 or G19.

--Ray

sigpro-fessor
09-13-2008, 20:08
Only time I ever thought the G19's recoil was harsh was with Ranger 127gr. +p+

Magnus2131
09-13-2008, 20:17
I was also shooting the G21. Tried the 19 and did not like it. Loved the 17.

sigcalcatrant
09-13-2008, 21:02
Shot side by side my G17 and G19 feel almost identical as far as recoil is concerned, which is negligible. Trigger reach is identical also. If you're used to your G21, the 9mm should seem quite mild in comparison, especially with standard pressure ammo. As far as the balance changing as the magazine becomes emptier, there probably won't be much difference between them, since that is relative to the weight of the grip frame, and the grip frames are almost identical in weight. Have you considered a SIG P226?

Remington700VS
09-13-2008, 21:03
I'm sorry but the 19 doesn't snap... try a .40 s&w, 10mm or .357 sig. Then you will know what snap is...

A96HondaAccordEX
09-13-2008, 22:33
I'm sorry but the 19 doesn't snap... try a .40 s&w, 10mm or .357 sig. Then you will know what snap is...
I agree. With a proper grip, it shouldnt "snap", unless you're firing some hot 9's. And even then, it's nothing compared to a .40.

Could be your grip. Try the HK P2K. That in 9MM is snappy to me. Too damn small to get a proper grip in my hands.

brianinmd
09-13-2008, 22:36
My 19 is almost as snappy some days as my 22, I guess it depends on ammo in each.

Interestingly, like the OP I think there is something with the 21. I shoot all Glocks pretty well, but even though its the worst feeling in my hands, the 21 will shoot perfect for me even with my eyes closed.

Sarge45
09-14-2008, 00:09
My 19 is a kittycat. That is until I use Winchester Ranger 115 grain +P+ loads. Then she rocks. Regular pressure loads are soft.