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High Altitude
09-24-2008, 16:56
I want to buy a pocket pistol but am wondering about the difference between these two rounds.

Is there a significant difference in how each of these perform?

Any good ballistic information out there for them?

Opinions most welcome.

texmex
09-24-2008, 21:36
32 Automatic 71 gr. velocity fps energy ft lb
Full Metal Jacket Muzzle 905 129

380 Automatic 95 gr. velocity fps energy ft lb
Full Metal Jacket 955 190

The 380 shoots a bigger heavier bullet faster. While neither one is a power house, the 380 does have the advantage of bullet diameter, bullet weight, velocity and energy. Since the handguns that shoot them are virtually the same size, why choose a smaller slower bullet? I own several 32s and a couple of 380s. At my agency, 380 is approved for backup or off duty use. 32 is not.

Trigger Finger
09-25-2008, 00:44
In the book "Stopping Power" by Marshall and Sanow, 2001 edition, they say that the 32 auto has an oddity of having surprisingly high stopping power! :wow:
His results and statements are from actual shootings. He goes on to say that the 32 is much less effective than the 380 acp. I sometimes carry my PPK/S in 380 and like it very much!

ChuteTheMall
09-25-2008, 01:04
I have the Keltec P32 and enjoy it; is there a noticable difference in recoil with the P3AT?

Do I really need another mousegun?

bac1023
09-25-2008, 05:47
I have the P3AT. I carry it when I can't conceal anything else.

GlockArmed
09-25-2008, 07:03
I have the Keltec P32 and enjoy it; is there a noticable difference in recoil with the P3AT?

I've not fired either, but according to everything I've read or been told about them, there is a significant difference.

I want to buy a pocket pistol but am wondering about the difference between these two rounds.

On paper the .380 is superior in every way. In practice -- just my opinion -- there's probably not much difference. Neither round works well with hollowpoint ammunition. By that I mean neither bullet is heavy enough to ensure both expansion and adequate penetration. (12 inches/gelatin) So you will want to use FMJ with both rounds. With the .380 you get a slightly larger bullet, but with the .32 you typically get an additional round in the magazine. So I see them as about equal.

Whatever you do, don't get a .25. You'd be better off with a knife. I have read several reports of .25 acp bouncing off human skulls. :shocked:

MURRAY
09-25-2008, 08:01
I have a p32 I carry when I cant hide anything else and also as BUG love it and it shoots well for what it is I just carry euro ball in it.

David_Ely
09-25-2008, 13:46
I figure if the .32 PPK was good enough for James Bond, it should be good enough for me . . . NOT! :rofl: The .380 seems to be "minimum" acceptable size for self defense according to the "experts". A .32acp would be better than nothing though. And I would stick with FMJ to assist with getting the needed penetration to hit vital organs. I would like to have a pistol in .32acp for plinking but I doubt I would ever carry one for self defense.

Chase7
09-25-2008, 23:09
Both calibers are ok for deep cover mouseguns.
I actually like 32acp in small light pocket guns like my KT P32..as the recoil is pretty much nil(very rapid fire is possible..is back on target immediately) and is Much less susceptible to any form of limp wristing do to a less than ideal grip(SD), single hand shooting etc.. often carries a little higher capacity ..and is still capable of around 150ft-lbs out of a 2.5"bbl with Hot ammo(much better than a comparably sized .22 or .25)

In larger ppk sized pistols and Buffalo Bore ammo the .32 will hit over 200ft-lbs (220fpe) ..not bad

But why would you settle for a 32 when a 380 can stop trucks and elephants :whistling: :supergrin:

michael t
09-25-2008, 23:31
in Ket tec size I don't really see much difference I bet BG couldn't tell you which one you just shot him with. I have both the 380 and 32's 380 has more recoil but not much more power from these short barrels.
Lokie gives the 32 from a KT 1008fps 8.2 inches .435 expansion Corbon HP
brassfetcher got this from KT 380 9.4" (corrected). Expanded diameter was 0.558". They didn't giveFPS This was Corbon DPX
Most people say use ball in either.

Retseh
09-25-2008, 23:32
In the book "Stopping Power" by Marshall and Sanow, 2001 edition, they say that the 32 auto has an oddity of having surprisingly high stopping power! :wow:
His results and statements are from actual shootings. He goes on to say that the 32 is much less effective than the 380 acp. I sometimes carry my PPK/S in 380 and like it very much!

His statistics also indicate that a .32ACP loaded with Silvertips is a more effective self defence load than a 1911 loaded with plain FMJ - FACT.

:upeyes::upeyes::upeyes:

NDGlock
09-26-2008, 11:35
Just use "Extreme Shock" ammo and you should be fine.

Trigger Finger
09-27-2008, 15:22
His statistics also indicate that a .32ACP loaded with Silvertips is a more effective self defence load than a 1911 loaded with plain FMJ - FACT.

:upeyes::upeyes::upeyes:


Marshall goes on to say that this result is "Extremely controversial and arguable". He says that for the 32 auto the Fuller Index is used, as compared to Marshalls own index using actual shooting results, and rates the results for this caliber much lower - FACT.
He also says that the 380 auto is much more effective than the 32.

REC
09-27-2008, 16:42
Your best with either the .32 or the .380 is ball ammo. Neither have the power to drive an expanded hollow point to an adequate depth consistently or reliably.

Fiery Red XIII
09-27-2008, 20:50
have you seen some of the slim 9mm's? Walther PPS, Kahrs, etc? Very small, I had the pleasure of shooting a PPS recently...not much bigger than the others mentioned. Single stack 7+1. Very controllable.

Red

J.P.
09-27-2008, 23:05
His statistics also indicate that a .32ACP loaded with Silvertips is a more effective self defence load than a 1911 loaded with plain FMJ - FACT.

:upeyes::upeyes::upeyes:

I don't think the statistics indicate that at all......I believe they are speaking of rounds within a particular caliber.

Retseh
09-27-2008, 23:38
I don't think the statistics indicate that at all......I believe they are speaking of rounds within a particular caliber.

Stopping Power, 2001 - Page 300

Winchester Silvertip .32ACP - OSS percentage = 66% out of 151 shootings.

Stopping Power, 2001 - Page 310

Remington 230gr FMJ .45ACP - OSS percentage = 62% out of 151 shootings.
Winchester 230gr FMJ .45ACP - OSS percentage = 62% out of 209 shootings.
Federal 230gr FMJ .45ACP - OSS percentage = 62% out of 215 shootings.

How else can you read that?

Trigger Finger
09-28-2008, 02:15
Retseh, reread pages 20 and 21 or better yet read the entire chapter on the 32 auto. If you believe this are you carrying a 32 auto?

glock2740
09-28-2008, 16:22
LCP .380 hands down over ANY 32ACP.

Cross-X
09-28-2008, 16:25
Get a more manly caliber: .38 Special, 9mm, or the mighty .45.

Don't mess around with those other shoot to wound calibers. This is your life you're talking about.

Chase7
09-28-2008, 17:14
He also says that the 380 auto is much more effective than the 32.
hmm..sounds like a 9 vs 40 debate ..only with Mouseguns :upeyes:

ragu1macrider
09-29-2008, 09:54
Don't ever tell anyone you shot them with a 32, they will probably get so ticked off at you they would beat the crap out of you.

Chase7
09-29-2008, 18:01
Don't ever tell anyone you shot them with a 32, they will probably get so ticked off at you they would beat the crap out of you.
In other words you'll Volunteer for this test? :dunno:

Glock1911
07-16-2010, 16:40
I didn't relish being shot in the butt with a BB gun when I was kid(yes, we had BB gun wars). I'm surprised none of us lost an eye.:rofl:
So, I don't care how impotent a cartridge may be judged, I don't want to be shot with it. I'd much rather have a .32 in my pocket than a knife, or have to search for a big enough rock, if I needed to defend myself.

packinaglock
07-16-2010, 18:00
Just use "Extreme Shock" ammo and you should be fine.

Damn, you almost made me choke on my drink. :rofl:

mickdundie
07-23-2010, 18:25
I figure if the .32 PPK was good enough for James Bond, it should be good enough for me . . . NOT! :rofl: The .380 seems to be "minimum" acceptable size for self defense according to the "experts". A .32acp would be better than nothing though. And I would stick with FMJ to assist with getting the needed penetration to hit vital organs. I would like to have a pistol in .32acp for plinking but I doubt I would ever carry one for self defense.

Ya And 'Q' said it has a delivery like a brick through a plate glass window:rofl:

I carry a .32ACP sometimes. I believe there is a difference between .32 and .380 in power, as others have stated. But with a mouse gun you had better be ready to empty the magazine if you really have to use it. So practice that way.

Stand 7 yards from the target and hold it like a old west gunfighter and empty the mag as fast as you can. I can cream a target that way after practicing a little.

Mick:thumbsup:

dougader
07-23-2010, 22:57
Has anyone had the nerve to try the Buffalo Bore 32 auto +P ammo?

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=132

32 ACP +P Ammo - 75 gr. Hardcast F.N. (1150fps/ M.E. 220 ft. lbs.) - 20 Round Box

A. Berretta Mod. 70, 3 inch bbl.- 1001 fps
B. Kel Tek, 2.5 inch bbl - 910 fps
C. Seecamp, 2 inch bbl. - 856 fps

Or you could just use a 6 shot revolver in 32 mag:

Federal 85 grain jhp = 237 fpe

unit1069
07-23-2010, 23:23
Both the .32ACP and .380ACP are preferable for self-defense than a knife or club. They're just "iffy" compared to other handgun calibers when it comes to stopping power.

I had a .380ACP but the gun was unreliable. I bought a small 9mm and after having it for a while I feel better having more power if I ever need it, God forbid.

grendelbane
07-27-2010, 19:05
In the real world, I don't believe that there is any difference in the performance of these 2 cartridges. They both make a penetrating, ice pick type wound, and both rely on placement to be effective.

If you have a reliable pistol which you can shoot accurately chambered for one, you need not look for some thing in the other chambering, it will not be any more effective.

DonGlock26
07-29-2010, 10:22
I don't mind 32acp in my P32 since I use ball ammo. I'd much prefer 380 in my P232 since the barrel is long enough to make hollow points expand. With the p32, I get an extra round and less recoil. I haven't seen a need to switch to a 380 keltec.

Glock19Fan
07-29-2010, 20:40
I agree with DonGlock.

I started out carrying a P32 about 4 years ago. Ended up getting a P3AT about two years later. Fast forward to January 2010 and I got a P11.

Never really had a problem with the P32, just wanted to try something more powerful. Got the .380, and even though it was still easy to carry, I shot the .32 much faster and more accurate than the .380.

Then I ended up getting the P11. The 9mm was fine in the P11, but I decided that it was just too big for pocket carry.

Today I picked up a used P32, took it to the range, and put a box of ammo through it. At 7 yards I could keep fist sized groups during rapid fire.

Loaded the magazine up with some hot FMJs, and put it in my pocket.

IMO carry the largest caliber you can shoot accuratly, and especially with these calibers, the FASTEST.